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Marge_Innavera:

--- Quote from: David925 on September 22, 2006, 09:18:08 pm ---Someone asked me recently why "people" from other planets would even take an interest in us. Perhaps they are just trying to find out the same thing we are... "is there somebody else out there"?
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Maybe they're just intergalactic cruise ships, with tourists taking a gander at the primitive natives.  ;D

Marge_Innavera:

--- Quote from: delalluvia on July 21, 2006, 10:04:34 pm ---We used to live near an airport, so we came up with all sorts of crazy possibilities.  My favorite was that the metal fillings in her teeth were acting as antenna/receivers and picking up radio waves from air traffic into her head.
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I really don't know whether that's a believable explanation or not. However, I did notice a long time ago that people who are wedded to the western superstition that "there's a logical explanation for everything" can come up with goofier explanations than any fantasy writer.

I'm slightly telekenetic and you'd have to hear some of the "explanations" to believe them. My favorite so far was one about a bedside table that moved suddenly enough to trash both a lamp and an alarm clock: that it was a "gravitational eddy."   :o

Kelpersmek:

--- Quote from: Marge_Innavera on October 24, 2006, 11:41:44 am ---I'm slightly telekenetic and you'd have to hear some of the "explanations" to believe them. My favorite so far was one about a bedside table that moved suddenly enough to trash both a lamp and an alarm clock: that it was a "gravitational eddy."   :o

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I have to say that while a gravitational eddy is simply the explaination of someone desperate to fill the blank in "I don't know why that happened",  I still believe that there is a rational explaination for things. 

The thing is it's ok to say "I don't know" without that automatically meaning "A ghost did it!"

If something weird happens and I don't know why, my explaination is: "I don't know what caused that",  but the unspoken addendum is "but that doesn't somehow prove it was supernatural."  A theory is not sufficiently proven simply by a lack of alternatives.

When photons first split in laboratory experiments, there was no good model for what just happened.  It's still quite baffling, but I don't think ghosts and magic are being considered proven by this gap in human knowledge.

That's just my opinion of course, and I am quite ready to admit I may be wrong, and I could be walking with closed eyes through a world of supernatural creatures and miracles.  It's not impossible, I just find it unlikely.

By the way, if you have control over your telekinetic powers to any degree, there is an organisation offering a  $1million reward for proof of any supernatural, paranormal or occult gift or event.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
I am sincere when I say I am willing to believe in any of these things once proof is obtained using good sound scientific methodology.  I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on your belief in the paranormal, but I am an adherent to the "Western superstition", and felt compelled to explain my position.*


*OK I don't expect anyone to be interested but  ;)

David In Indy:

--- Quote from: Kelpersmek on October 24, 2006, 03:20:31 pm ---I have to say that while a gravitational eddy is simply the explaination of someone desperate to fill the blank in "I don't know why that happened",  I still believe that there is a rational explaination for things. 

The thing is it's ok to say "I don't know" without that automatically meaning "A ghost did it!"


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But what if there really is a spirit world? If there is (and I believe there is) it would be perfectly rational to say "a ghost did it". What defines a rational or irrational explanation depends on the person's perspective.  :)

delalluvia:

--- Quote from: Kelpersmek on October 24, 2006, 03:20:31 pm ---By the way, if you have control over your telekinetic powers to any degree, there is an organisation offering a  $1million reward for proof of any supernatural, paranormal or occult gift or event.
http://www.randi.org/research/index.html
I am sincere when I say I am willing to believe in any of these things once proof is obtained using good sound scientific methodology.  I hope this doesn't come across as an attack on your belief in the paranormal, but I am an adherent to the "Western superstition", and felt compelled to explain my position.*


*OK I don't expect anyone to be interested but  ;)

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I love James Randi and I think the dollar award went up.  He has yet to have anyone prove extra-sensory skills under controlled conditions.

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