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What Scene Could have been left out
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on July 06, 2006, 01:19:54 pm ---I'm holding my ground on the dispensability of the Twist Thanksgiving scene. It adds to the film by it's presence, but we wouldn't miss anything essential from the plot if it weren't there.
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Well, how about this - since you say the pissant scene is indispensible, doesn't it beg for a counterpart - for something that shows that while others obviously disrespect Jack, he does not disrespect himself? I say if you're gonna have one, you need to have the other.
serious crayons:
Jeff: You're right to draw the distinction between disrespect and dislike. But Jack doesn't really seem worthy of such scorn on either basis.
Barb: That would be OK. Though I think the very fact you know that he doesn't disrespect himself suggests that message is already well conveyed. I think he shows that in pretty much every scene he's in!
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on July 06, 2006, 01:51:14 pm ---Jeff: You're right to draw the distinction between disrespect and dislike. But Jack doesn't really seem worthy of such scorn on either basis.
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I agree. I'm thinking maybe they overemphasized it to drive the point home--just to make sure we didn't miss it.
tomtrueman:
When I see a movie, I always take it on faith that every scene is there for a reason, even if we might not always be sure what the director intended to show by it.
For me, the whole movie is a perfect unit, and I wouldn't take any of it away. In the same way, though, I also don't like to see deleted scenes in a special edition DVD, because the director had made a choice not to include them -- and besides, they weren't in the movie I fell in love with.
As for my LEAST FAVOURITE scene, I'd have to say it's the one where Ennis's vicious bastard of a father dragged his innocent nine-year-old son and forced him to look at the tortured and mutilated corpse of a man his father himself may have murdered. I'd never delete the scene, because it was important to explain why Ennis was so damaged emotionally -- but I find the whole thing so horrifying that I'm appalled that so many others seem so casual about it. And of the ten times I saw the movie in the theatres, I only looked at Earl the first time.
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: tomtrueman on July 06, 2006, 04:46:08 pm ---When I see a movie, I always take it on faith that every scene is there for a reason, even if we might not always be sure what the director intended to show by it.
For me, the whole movie is a perfect unit, and I wouldn't take any of it away. In the same way, though, I also don't like to see deleted scenes in a special edition DVD, because the director had made a choice not to include them -- and besides, they weren't in the movie I fell in love with.
As for my LEAST FAVOURITE scene, I'd have to say it's the one where Ennis's vicious bastard of a father dragged his innocent nine-year-old son and forced him to look at the tortured and mutilated corpse of a man his father himself may have murdered. I'd never delete the scene, because it was important to explain why Ennis was so damaged emotionally -- but I find the whole thing so horrifying that I'm appalled that so many others seem so casual about it. And of the ten times I saw the movie in the theatres, I only looked at Earl the first time.
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I have to look away every time, too. Same goes for the fleeting image of Jack's face covered in blood toward the end.
When my husband finally watched the movie, he gasped when Ennis described what had been done to Earl and said, "Jesus." He did the same when the attack of Jack was shown. Later, he said he appreciated that they showed both so fleetingly and not gratuitously but that even so, he couldn't get the idea of either of those murders out of his head. Which tells me they did both just right.
I'm with you, I really wouldn't change a thing. And I don't care to watch deleted scenes, either. At least not in the case of a perfect film like this. It's like, if someone said, "Hey, I got a hold of the deleted scenes from "Casablanca." Wanna see 'em?" I'd say HELL, no.
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