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Fun Brokeback questionnaires
ruthlesslyunsentimental:
--- Quote from: dly64 on July 06, 2006, 08:11:07 pm ---You know I have the regular CD. But, you have mentioned you burned the voters' CD. Where in the world can I get a copy of this??? I love the regular CD, but there is a bunch of music that's not on there. Help me get a copy, please!!! :-\
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OK, ok. Since I’ve brought it up a couple of times, I suppose it's my responsibility to find it... :)
It's in a thread called "Music from Brokeback" on the Chez Tremblay board. I put a msg in at the end of it just to bump it up to the top of the list. (I hope that's o.k.)
There are two zipped file links. Click them and download to your computer. Then burn all to one CD. There are a couple of songs missing such as the song when Jack meets Jimbo and "I Will Never Let You Go." It has "Melissa" and the original "King of the Road." All of the music is in the order it was in the film. Plus, there's the final post office ("Deceased") music, plus the "In Jack's Closet" music. Etc., etc.
Now, I didn't post it originally, but since I led you to it, if you download it, you have to let me know what you think. I think it's great.
I'm sorry, but I don't know how to put a link to a thread in a post. ???
Brown Eyes:
So, I have a very serious question about this first, "regarding his homosexuality" questionnaire. How have our own personal experiences impacted how we view Ennis's struggle?
For those of you who are gay or bisexual, does your reading of Ennis's struggles with identity and emotional growth/change/stress, etc. have any relation to your own struggle coming out (either to yourself or others)? My first girlfriend (who was very "out") used to complain, nonetheless, about how exhausting coming out is. She said she came to realize eventually that you don't come out once and then it's done... you have to deal with it every day in every new situation. And I agree completely. It can be a yo-yo feeling of worry-stress-happiness-elation, but all of this can wear you down. And, one's attitude towards the situation definitely evolves. Exhaustion is one of the things I feel for Ennis at the end (among many other things of course), since he's gone through so much. And, I think among many things, this film is about a massive evolution for Ennis.
And for those of you who are straight... well, is there an equivalent situation in your life that impacts your view of Ennis's struggles (as related to this questionnaire)?
I'm sure this question would be more appropriate for Safe Haven. But, I think this questionnaire begs for this issue to be raised. Essentially, what I'm asking is, what criteria are we using to evaluate Ennis here?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on July 06, 2006, 10:44:36 pm ---And for those of you who are straight... well, is there an equivalent situation in your life that impacts your view of Ennis's struggles (as related to this questionnaire)?
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No. There have been mini-parallels -- things I've been reluctant to acknowledge to myself or others and struggled over -- but nothing as huge and ongoing and central to my life and identity. It's hard to imagine many other issues that would come even close (though I have seen a few described by others here at BetterMost).
Which I'll admit is why I sometimes find myself facing limitations in these discussions because of my own lack of first-hand experience. For instance, I'll be arguing with somebody who is gay, and I'll say, "Well, how could Ennis possibly NOT acknowledge such and such to himself?" and the other person will refer to friends, or maybe themselves, having maintained that sort of utter denial. So maybe that's an area of ignorance for me that affects my understanding of the movie. I don't know.
Good questions, Amanda!
On another topic, reading over people's responses I wish I'd written some of the questions differently, because I can see that a few of them are slightly confusing or ambiguous. One that jumped out at me was
--- Quote ----- Blame his feelings for Jack for keeping him from leading a normal life?
Latjoreme -- Yes.
Ruthlessly – Agreed. He knew he had feelings for Jack, and Ennis called those feelings a “thing,” and he knew that those feelings, that “thing” kept Ennis from leading a normal life – what Ennis would perceive as normal.
Jane - yes
Diane – same as what I just said above ... .i.e. Yes!
Penth -- yes
Mikaela -- Yes
Barb - Yes. But who among us hasn't done that, albeit not to the same extent in most cases?
Amanda= What's a normal life? I don't know how to answer this.
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I should have put "normal life" in quotes -- I meant Ennis' concept of normal. (Originally it referred to a remark on the other thread, now probably six pages back.)
Brown Eyes:
Thanks Katherine.
These questionnaires really are very, very interesting.
As I was working on that first questionnaire (the rest will have to wait until tomorrow) I found myself having a wacky-Brokie reaction and began thinking of Ennis more and more along the lines of a real person (a la Ang Lee thanking Ennis and Jack at the Oscars). And, you'll love this Katherine because this is me wearing my defend-Ennis-hat right now... I feel like judging his ability to come out or judging how much he's able even to articulate coming out is really harsh. I think he comes a long way within the context of the story/ world of the film. I remember writing posts long ago about how proud Jack would be of Ennis at the end with the "I swear..." statement because he, of all people, would understand how scary, hard and new saying something like that would be for Ennis (even alone in his trailer). **And now I've just managed to make myself cry over that idea.**
::) :'(
Anyway, I think one of the main tensions in the film is sensing something all along (knowing that they love each other) and the difficulty of actually articulating it (or acting on it... as in living together). Which to me, is the essence of a coming out story/ dilemma.
Ennis's characteristic silence... or silence in general... may be one of the biggest metaphors that I don't remember tackling fully and probably relates to this topic quite directly.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on July 07, 2006, 02:03:12 am --- I feel like judging his ability to come out or judging how much he's able even to articulate coming out is really harsh. I think he comes a long way within the context of the story/ world of the film.
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I know. I hate it when people criticize him out of context. He did the best he could, considering his dad didn't leave him nothin but $24 in a coffee can and a lifetime's worth of fear and self-loathing.
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