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nakymaton:
Re: text messaging...
Well, my cell phone vibrates when I get a message.
Ummmmmmmmmm.....
Next question?
--- Quote from: j. U. d. E. on September 03, 2006, 07:29:22 am ---Sorry to interupt this call, but what about them bottles? Have you counted the number of times we see bottles. It's mostly Jack who holds them (*he drank a lot*.. :( ). At the beginning it's each their own (but Jack's the drinker - how many bottles are there on the table next to him in the first café they go to - *if we are working together, we may aswell drink together*, whereas there's only one next to Ennis). But Jack's willing to share his beverage and then they even start drinking from the same bottle. Towards the end it's each their own again..
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I sort of noticed that they go through stages in drinking:
1) Bar at the beginning: each has his own bottles.
2) "More words than I've spoke in a year": Jack pours whiskey into Ennis's mug.
3) Before TS1: Both are drinking from the same bottle. (Aside: doesn't Jack just hand Ennis the bottle after the bear scare, too?)
So the drinking says something about the level of intimacy.
1) Separate.
2) Getting closer...
3) Could end up passing saliva back and forth on the lip of that bottle if they aren't careful...
and then, by TS2, the drinks are irrelevant and they just swap the saliva directly.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on September 03, 2006, 11:16:10 pm ---3) Could end up passing saliva back and forth on the lip of that bottle if they aren't careful...
and then, by TS2, the drinks are irrelevant and they just swap the saliva directly.
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:laugh:
Good way to look at it. That damn spit string is one of my favorite moments in the movie* (STILL no blushing smiley!)!
*among tiny details, I mean. From an artistic perspective, of course. (I had to actually get up out of bed and go to the computer at 1 a.m. to make this edit; I suddenly imagined people reading it and going, "Oh, sure. All the things to like about this movie -- the emotional impact, the subtle symbolism, the fine acting -- and she picks the spit string!" ::))
Penthesilea:
--- Quote from: j. U. d. E. on September 03, 2006, 07:29:22 am ---But Jack's willing to share his beverage and then they even start drinking from the same bottle. Towards the end it's each their own again..
j. U. d. E.
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What scene do you refer to? At the last time we see them drinking together, the evening before the lake side argument, they share a bottle of whiskey, they pass it back and forth.
--- Quote ---From nakymaton:
So the drinking says something about the level of intimacy.
1) Separate.
2) Getting closer...
3) Could end up passing saliva back and forth on the lip of that bottle if they aren't careful...
and then, by TS2, the drinks are irrelevant and they just swap the saliva directly.
--- End quote ---
That's a good one.
And yet another detail from the movie which is well thought-out. The level of elaborateness never ceases to amaze me.
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: Penthesilea on September 04, 2006, 05:25:20 am ---What scene do you refer to? At the last time we see them drinking together, the evening before the lake side argument, they share a bottle of whiskey, they pass it back and forth.
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I don't know what Jude was observing, but we see them drinking when they're far away from one another quite often -- Jack in the two bar scenes and then at the dance benefit, and Ennis waiting for Jack and then when Cassie picks him up.
(Drinking alone, but then swapping spit -- or in the case of Jack trying to pick up Jimbo, thinking about swapping spit but not succeeding -- with someone else. Ennis and Jack might swap spit with Cassie and Lureen, but they ain't drinking from the same bottle, if you know what I mean.)
(And to Katherine: this is where you can jump in and say that sharing spit via a bottle of Old Rose on the last camping trip is no replacement for getting to see real spit-swapping. ;D )
(Oh, and to overinterpret symbolism, I guess this means that, when Jack gives Ennis the whiskey bottle after the bear attack, Jack really wants to swap spit. Or maybe kiss Ennis's owie and make it better. Or something like that.)
Edit: and I probably shouldn't even mention Old Man Twist spitting into the cup at the end of the movie, should I?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: nakymaton on September 04, 2006, 08:41:38 am ---and I probably shouldn't even mention Old Man Twist spitting into the cup at the end of the movie, should I?
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I know there have been whole threads dedicated to interpreting the negative meanings of spit -- OMT's spitting as well as all the times Jack or Ennis spits during a conversation to express anger or contempt or dismissal. But I've never considered analyzing spit in the positive sense.
I'll say this, though, if it turns out that Ang plotted out the saliva symbolism so carefully that it included the spit string, I will gain a whole new level of admiration for his genius.
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