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Anyone watch the ESPYs??
Elanorsam:
Just a thought - what if Lance told Jake about the jokes right before the ceremony, AFTER he's been rehearsing them? Then Jake says no, Lance comes back and says, sorry guys, Jake doesn't like the jokes, and Jake comes across as not being able to take a joke. So maybe he felt backed into a corner and felt like he had to say yes. I mean, that's one possible scenario. Isn't it true that we don't know 1) If Lance ever actually even asked Jake (all we have is Lance's statement about it, right?), and (2) If Jake was actually asked, we don't know when and how he was asked. So since we don't know what really happened, maybe we should wait before criticizing Jake until we find out more info?
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: Elanorsam on July 23, 2006, 01:12:13 am ---Just a thought - what if Lance told Jake about the jokes right before the ceremony, AFTER he's been rehearsing them? Then Jake says no, Lance comes back and says, sorry guys, Jake doesn't like the jokes, and Jake comes across as not being able to take a joke. So maybe he felt backed into a corner and felt like he had to say yes. I mean, that's one possible scenario. Isn't it true that we don't know 1) If Lance ever actually even asked Jake (all we have is Lance's statement about it, right?), and (2) If Jake was actually asked, we don't know when and how he was asked. So since we don't know what really happened, maybe we should wait before criticizing Jake until we find out more info?
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True, that. We have no idea in which context he was asked and answered. I just can't shake the nagging disappointment I feel in knowing that he was asked and responded that way. You know what it is? I want to think the best of him in every situation - I think a lot of people do. It's kind of a curse. In fact, he's just a human being and a young one at that. An extremely talented and charming and compassionate one, but he's not a god and he's not perfect.
I remember thinking along the same lines as you are when so many people were going batshit about Heath's teapot pose at the SAG awards. I gave him the benefit of the doubt, and I think now it was easy for me to do that because I had not put him on a pedestal like the other folks had. Now I understand how they felt. Payback's a m......
Really, the crux of the fault lies with the producers and writers of the show for making the opening monologue so nasty, in general, and specifically for writing and allowing that joke. Jake (and probably Lance for that matter) were between a rock and a hard place, most likely. They could have nixed it, sure, but it's not as easy as that, I realize. It's just a shame that people who put such shows together still find it necessary to make jokes like that about homosexuality (and to use a movie to allude to it that was released six months ago, for Chrissakes) in the first place.
silkncense:
--- Quote ---So oftentimes it happens that we live our lives in chains and we never even know we have the key.
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Barb -
Love that quote.
PS / OT - Haven't seen you on the "Alberta" thread...
ednbarby:
--- Quote from: silkncense on July 23, 2006, 12:52:37 pm ---Barb -
Love that quote.
PS / OT - Haven't seen you on the "Alberta" thread...
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Well, allow me to high-tail it right over there... :)
mvansand76:
--- Quote from: Elanorsam on July 23, 2006, 01:12:13 am ---Just a thought - what if Lance told Jake about the jokes right before the ceremony, AFTER he's been rehearsing them? Then Jake says no, Lance comes back and says, sorry guys, Jake doesn't like the jokes, and Jake comes across as not being able to take a joke. So maybe he felt backed into a corner and felt like he had to say yes. I mean, that's one possible scenario. Isn't it true that we don't know 1) If Lance ever actually even asked Jake (all we have is Lance's statement about it, right?), and (2) If Jake was actually asked, we don't know when and how he was asked. So since we don't know what really happened, maybe we should wait before criticizing Jake until we find out more info?
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Uhm.. I watched a brief interview with Lance Armstrong about this on youtube and in it he says that he cleared it with him and that he asked Jake if he was OK with it and Lance said that Jake said "Yes, I love, it, I love it..."
That makes you wonder, doesn't it?
I remember something that Jake said that impressed me in that Oprah episode about BBM, he said that even the small jokes (the ones like this or the name calling, the thing heterosexual men do when they call eachother homo or gay) are insulting, that it shows immaturity. I am only paraphrasing because I don't have the tape here. What I don't understand is why this (the joke at ESPY) is supposed to be funny?
I don't know...
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