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brokeplex:
--- Quote from: milomorris on July 06, 2010, 01:51:59 pm ---From what I can tell, "celebrating diversity" is a feel-good euphemism for "practicing inclusion." Back in the old days we used to call it "treating people with human dignity."
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treating all people with dignity is a good thing!
but, practicing inclusion and treating people with dignity are two different processes.
the former implies that it is an active process, an active solicitation to include all people.
the later seems more passive, not soliciting inclusion, but a simple courtesy during encounters with people who are different
back in the old days in my neck of the woods, we called that "common courtesy".
milomorris:
--- Quote from: brokeplex on July 06, 2010, 02:00:35 pm ---treating all people with dignity is a good thing!
but, practicing inclusion and treating people with dignity are two different processes.
the former implies that it is an active process, an active solicitation to include all people.
the later seems more passive, not soliciting inclusion, but a simple courtesy during encounters with people who are different
back in the old days in my neck of the woods, we called that "common courtesy".
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Bingo!!
The whole "celebrating" thing indicates that everybody is supposed to be happy about the fact that I'm black, or an androphile. Frankly, I would be much happier with a set of laws that prohibit people who don't like me for whatever reason from keeping me out of housing, jobs, public accommodations, etc. You don't have to like me, but you can't fuck with me.
brianr:
I grew up in the days when homosexuality was not mentioned in polite company. Homosexual acts were a crime and I kept my feelings hidden. As an otherwise law abiding person, I had feelings of self-loathing and sought psychiatric cures. Then in the 70's things changed so much. We were open and proud and celebrated our diversity. Perhaps now that more than 30 years have passed, we now just expect common courtesy and being treated with dignity. However there are still pockets of homophobia and many other people may accept but want to pity us. So there is still need for times to celebrate our diversity.
brokeplex:
--- Quote from: milomorris on July 06, 2010, 02:20:26 pm ---Bingo!!
The whole "celebrating" thing indicates that everybody is supposed to be happy about the fact that I'm black,
or an androphile. Frankly, I would be much happier with a set of laws that prohibit people who don't like me for whatever reason from keeping me out of housing, jobs, public accommodations, etc. You don't have to like me, but you can't fuck with me.
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once again Milo you have hit the nail on its head - booooiiiinnnngggg!
what is so utterly stupefying about PC is the double standards that fuel it - reminds me of "newspeak" in Brave New World.
you see with PC we can all rejoice that you are Black, but if anyone rejoices that I am White - well, that is just racism!
and y'all can be happy as clams that I am gay and in favor of same sex marriage, but if we are happy that you are an androphile - oh my you must be a secret homophobe!
We had better stick with our pre-approved PC identities - You just be happy with Black, and I'll just stick with Gay. :laugh:
milomorris:
--- Quote from: brianr on July 06, 2010, 03:18:11 pm ---I grew up in the days when homosexuality was not mentioned in polite company. Homosexual acts were a crime and I kept my feelings hidden. As an otherwise law abiding person, I had feelings of self-loathing and sought psychiatric cures. Then in the 70's things changed so much. We were open and proud and celebrated our diversity. Perhaps now that more than 30 years have passed, we now just expect common courtesy and being treated with dignity. However there are still pockets of homophobia and many other people may accept but want to pity us. So there is still need for times to celebrate our diversity.
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I think I understand where you're coming from psychologically. Because institutionalized homophobia made y'all feel so bad about yourselves, you celebrate as a way to counteract that.
But one of the things that I find odd about the gay community is that they celebrate an innate trait over which they have no say. To me that is the equivalent of blacks celebrating the color of our skin. You see, when we celebrate ourselves it is about our history, culture, contributions, progress, etc. rather than our innate blackness.
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