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Would You Still Worship God If There Was No Heaven or Hell?
Wayne:
It's only the spin-off material, the epistles and Revelation that give much of a position. To me that makes the Biblical argument for an afterlife pretty weak. To me it comes across as just an afterthought in the last 15% of the Bible, including Revelation which was not even consistently accepted as canon in the early church. Even the stuff in Revelation is not clearly about an afterlife - it sounds like someone who is justifiably dissatisfied with the Roman Empire, "predicting" - or rather calling for - its overthrow.
Jeff Wrangler:
The trouble with all religions is that the Infinite has to be funneled through the very finite minds of human beings.
Wayne:
So that's it for Heaven. As for Hell, there are two words in Biblical Hebrew that are usually translated as Hell. Sheol actually means "grave" - not an afterlife condition, just the burial place. And Gehenna is an even more literal location: a specific valley used as a garbage dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Dead bodies were dumped there if nobody claimed them; it was a terrible thing to have that happen to you. That is what going to hell meant.
All the stuff about fire and brimstone is literally a description of decaying flesh in the garbage dump. There is nothing metaphysical about it.
Again, this is my impression, nobody has to agree. Still, I'm pretty sure I'm right ;)
Brown Eyes:
Yes, the question that this thread seems to be asking is whether there's some kind of intrinsic benefit to the act of worshipping. If one knows that there is no actual afterlife reward... is the activity of worshipping some kind of positive mental or spiritual activity on it's own?
For me personally, the answer is an easy no.
I'm very suspect of the idea of worshipping. And, I'm miles and miles away from being a religious person. So, my personal answer is no. And, in some ways, I actually hope that there isn't an afterlife. I hope that death is like being in a deep sleep with no dreams.
And, as has been here in this thread, I think a lot of religion is really politics. Ancient politics are embedded in old religious documents/doctrines and obviously people still use religion to control other people.
I'm very cynical about religion.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: ifyoucantfixit on March 10, 2011, 05:49:34 pm --- If you were a God, why would you invent, or make a universe? In order to have
someone to associate with? Or would you do it because you wanted people to use for people to be on your side of the argument. The way I see it. If you read the
bible, he made man in order to have them take his side in the universe. For them to be against the Devil and his minions. If you don't take his side then you will be sent
to hell, and burned for eternity. I think that has been my particular problem with
God all the way. That would be like having children in order to have more men to
go to war with your enemies. I find that difficult to accept. Not very God like, if you
will.
--- End quote ---
Agree. This idea assumes god needs help. If he created everything, including the devil and his minions, I daresay he'd have no trouble taking them all out without needing any help from anyone. Hence the strange idea of being a member of God's Army or a Soldier for Christ.
As I recall very faintly from the Sumerian religion, humans were created to tend the garden for the gods. So humans were created for all kinds of reasons in different religions.
--- Quote ---So that's it for Heaven. As for Hell, there are two words in Biblical Hebrew that are usually translated as Hell. Sheol actually means "grave" - not an afterlife condition, just the burial place. And Gehenna is an even more literal location: a specific valley used as a garbage dump on the outskirts of Jerusalem. Dead bodies were dumped there if nobody claimed them; it was a terrible thing to have that happen to you. That is what going to hell meant.
All the stuff about fire and brimstone is literally a description of decaying flesh in the garbage dump.
--- End quote ---
This is what I read as well. Early Hebrew tribes didn't really have a concept of Heaven/Hell as the modern Christians see it. It was a belief concept shared by their pagan neighbors. THIS life is what was important, so if you needed to worship like there was no tomorrow, you did, because literally, as a human, there was no tomorrow, today was all you had. And if your god didn't deliver, you went to another god who could. The monotheists were odd in that they turned any failure on their god's part to help them into a masochistic self-blame.
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