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delalluvia:
Ah, let's see.
I went to the main airline website and made a puddle jump reservation.
Tuesday my bank notified me that they charged me twice.
Thursday my bank rep told me that it was on my account twice, but both were still pending. When they finally went through, I could dispute one.
Today, I call my bank and find out both transactions are gone. Not reversed, just gone, like they were never there.
I called the airline, they still have my ticket reserved.
>:( >:(
Now what?
The airline will either charge me again or more likely cancel my ticket and not tell me because I didn't "pay for it".
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 05, 2011, 07:00:33 pm --- :laugh:
No, no no, I really really read your posts.
It's just you make statements and then try to qualify them, but to me, the qualifiers don't detract from the original fact.
You did it again here with this:
Yes, more people per year die in cars now, and the fact that there are more cars on the road is one factor. But it's only PART of the reason.
I agree. It is a factor. But to me, it's the MAIN factor that the stats are skewed. To me, nothing else will make plane to car deaths per mile stats comparable until that is adjusted.
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Yes, and the way they "adjust" it is by calculating the statistics in deaths per mile rather than deaths per year. Simple math. And so much easier than putting a million more planes in the sky or taking a million cars off the road.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on November 06, 2011, 12:32:57 am ---
Yes, and the way they "adjust" it is by calculating the statistics in deaths per mile rather than deaths per year. Simple math. And so much easier than putting a million more planes in the sky or taking a million cars off the road.
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But it's not adjusted. Deaths per mile based on what? The current air and car traffic. And that's already not equitable.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on November 06, 2011, 12:09:40 pm ---But it's not adjusted. Deaths per mile based on what? The current air and car traffic. And that's already not equitable.
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Yes, deaths per mile based on the current air and car traffic. And guess what! All other things being equal, the deaths per mile would stay the same for each if the air traffic increased enough to equalize them number of plane and car trips. Except all other things wouldn't be quite equal: The sky would be more crowded, so accidents might increase somewhat simply because there are more planes in a limited space and they'd be more likely to crash into each other. That would definitely be cause for concern -- IF the air traffic ever suddenly increased by that amount. It's NOT something to worry about, nor something that affects the stats, if you're flying under current conditions.
So the way to calculate it is not by accidents/deaths per year but by deaths per mile. If you were traveling to Philadelphia, and you could either go by car or by plane, which way would you be more likely to die? And the answer is, by car.
There might be other advantages to going by car: it's cheaper, you see more scenery, it's more comfortable. But safer? No.
But since you're someone who says you're uncomfortable about the safety of flying, you seem very committed to believing that's the more dangerous mode of transportation. And the fact is, you're welcome to believe anything you want.
Jeff Wrangler:
Does anybody know whether or not it's true that more accidents involving planes happen on the ground than in the air? ???
I guess that question doesn't really help here, does it? 8)
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