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Amy Winehouse, 27, found dead at her London flat
Kelda:
The BBC has noted her stints in rehab here:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/entertainment-arts-14273953
Apparently her Dad visited her home this moring and talked to some fans outside as well as the press.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on July 25, 2011, 09:21:48 am ---It's a lot easier to take insulin than it is to get off drugs.
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Agreed 100%
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on July 25, 2011, 08:47:05 am ---In the case of an alcoholic that would almost just be like "drying out" in order to start drinking again.
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She was also known for going on massive benders too... so its quite likely she was also an alcoholic. In fact some of the press are suggetsing thats what killed her. A seizure after drinking too much on Friday night/ Saturday morning.
She certainly seemed to have an addictive personality. Drugs, drink and her 'soulmate' Blake, who also was a drug addict. The UK press nicknamed them the modern day Sid and Nancy.
Anyway, let hope she's finally at peace, wherever she is now. :-\
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Kelda on July 25, 2011, 09:43:00 am ---Anyway, let hope she's finally at peace, wherever she is now. :-\
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And she's left a fine legacy in her music.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on July 25, 2011, 12:39:51 am ---You may have firsthand experience, but it sounds like you are lacking some basic information. I have no idea whether, or to what extent, Amy Winehouse actually got treatment for her chemical problems, but rehab is no panacea.
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The only basic information I'm missing is on Amy's specific case. I do not know what rehab methods she has tried, or how they operate.
Many rehabs here in the US do a 28-30 day in-patient program. And you're right the rehab program alone is not usually enough. The last program I went through required us to get a sponsor, and to go to AA/NA meetings as often as possible. The sponsor and the meetings serve to make the rehab experience stick.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on July 25, 2011, 12:39:51 am ---If you or someone you know has made their addictions "manageable" through rehab, good for you or them. I know people who've been successful, too. But I also know people who haven't. If rehab doesn't work 80 percent of the time, it doesn't mean 80 percent of the people who go through it "choose" not to manage their disease. It means the treatment usually isn't effective.
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Your NYT article is correct, most treatment centers don't publish efficacy rates. Part of that has to do with the fact that it is difficult to follow an addict's progress once they leave the treatment center's doors. Having said that, the leader of my last program said that the combination of rehab and 12-stepping was the most successful, and had an 80% success rate.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on July 25, 2011, 09:21:48 am ---Yeah, I know that song. So as I said, I don't know Amy Winehouse's specific history when it comes to rehab. My point was more general -- rehab isn't just occasionally ineffective, it's ineffective MOST of the time. This was in response to Milo's comment comparing addiction management to diabetes management. It's a lot easier to take insulin than it is to get off drugs.
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While I disagree with your assessment of the efficacy of rehab, the point is that it is available. And I wasn't comparing taking insulin to getting off drugs, I was comparing taking insulin to working a program. In both cases, the disease is persistent, yet its activity is controlled. Diabetics need insulin, addicts need meetings.
--- Quote from: serious crayons on July 25, 2011, 09:21:48 am ---And as far as I know, a loving family and a lot of money don't necessarily make the difference.
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Having a loved ones around who are willing to keep you in line (e.g., make sure you're going to meetings), and to support you (e.g., calls your sponsor if you wake up in the middle of the night with and intense bout of cravings) does make a difference compared to "loved" ones who won't bother to do either. Money? Having money made it possible to continue therapy after the 30-days my insurance would cover.
But just throwing money at the problem won't fix it. Neither will all the love in the world if your loved ones don't know what to do for you.
Shakesthecoffecan:
She seemed to me to be saying from the get go (or at least from the Rehab song) that this was her course and she was going to follow it to its conclusion. At what level in consciousness she may have decided on this I don't know. But from that day in 2007 when I fist heard it I knew this is what was going to happen.
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