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milomorris:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on September 17, 2011, 07:18:05 pm --- :laugh: Sorry, Milo. We must have grown up in completely different areas/times/attitudes. The boys I knew wanted to play doctor, not house.
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We did.
Again. What are you trying to say about the relationship between marriage and fulfillment? You seem to be setting them at odds.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: milomorris on September 17, 2011, 07:20:26 pm ---We did.
Again. What are you trying to say about the relationship between marriage and fulfillment? You seem to be setting them at odds.
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Not at all. I just don't think marriage should be the end-all, be-all of anyone's existence or ideas of fulfillment. Truly Milo, I know of no guy who - when growing up or in school - dreamed about being married. They dreamed about the girls they'd fuck, the places they'd go, the careers and power and toys they'd have. Oh, yeah, and maybe some day settling down.
milomorris:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on September 17, 2011, 07:44:53 pm ---Not at all. I just don't think marriage should be the end-all, be-all of anyone's existence or ideas of fulfillment. Truly Milo, I know of no guy who - when growing up or in school - dreamed about being married. They dreamed about the girls they'd fuck, the places they'd go, the careers and power and toys they'd have. Oh, yeah, and maybe some day settling down.
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Most Christian women--especially Fundamentalists--have other ambitions than marriage. Yes, marriage is probably on most of their lists, but does not sit alone at the top.
Rest assured, we most certainly talked about which girls we wanted to fuck. At the same time, almost every boy I grew up with dreamed about having a wife someday. Even I did until I was about 19. My buddies and I would talk about what kind of girl we would marry. What kind of house we would live in. How many kids we wanted. Whether we wanted boys or girls. What we wanted our wives and children to have. What we didn't want for our wives & children. Its pretty typical for children to work out the deficiencies in their own lives through fantasy.
What I don't remember is ever having a single conversation like that with a girl. And that might explain why you never heard any boy speak of these things.
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on September 17, 2011, 05:41:40 pm ---I didn't say they weren't different in their non-sexual lives. I said people in their sexual lives don't necessarily switch back and forth from spanker to spankee.
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That statement was in response to more than one post here.
--- Quote ---Let me be clear. Obviously I believe there are abused women out there. And that some of those abused women are Christians. And that sometimes their Christianity is connected to their abuse, such as when they don't believe in divorce. And in A FEW cases, they were probably raised to believe that the husband is the boss of the household and the wife has to submit, and that somehow leads to their accepting abuse that they might otherwise not put up with. . . . I think liberals tend to expect conservatives to automatically hold extremely outdated views of male and female roles. That's why they pounced on Sarah Palin for pursuing a demanding career when she had a baby at home.
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Let me be clear. I'm quite aware that there isn't a one-size-fits-all model for conventional religious family life; for that you might want to address an atheist who's fond of the Flying Spaghetti Monster and cute references comparing a belief in God with a belief in Santa Claus.
Of course not every religious household teaches the whole party line about female submission. Is that what you wanted to hear? But there are more than a few who do, all-caps or otherwise. It's an idea that isn't consistent with Western culture any longer; that's why it has to be prettied up with imaginative translations like 'submission' equaling 'respect.' And yes, they do pay lip service to equality for women but there's a whole lot less there than meets the ear. Plenty of people who oppose equal rights for both women and gays insist up and down that they 'love the fair sex' and/or 'have nothing against The Homosexuals.' IMO it's more than a little naive to take that at face value.
Marge_Innavera:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on September 17, 2011, 07:18:05 pm --- :laugh: Sorry, Milo. We must have grown up in completely different areas/times/attitudes. The boys I knew wanted to play doctor, not house.
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When I was 4 I played house with the little boy across the street. My mom was very surprised when she walked in on us, though I must say she was cool about it. ;D
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