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Tiina:
--- Quote from: Valquiria on January 25, 2016, 06:28:06 pm ---The kiss between them shows a lack they feel each other, is a suffering kiss, homesick, strong !! (THE BEST MOVIE SCENE).
In the following scenes is observed that Marc is calmer, more serene and peaceful, it seems that he understood that love Kay. Pity that after he leaves FEAR master your mind and Marc leaves Kay.
That is why I wish the FF2 Marc suffer a lot to win Kay back !!
Val.
P.S. Sorry my English, I think I can not express myself well.
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Yes, it's so clear after the "I love you scene" that Marc and Kay are in love with each other. That's why it's very frustrating that Marc still does the 180 and decides to choose the traditional family life. ::)
But.. anything can happen in Free Fall 2 ;)
(Yes Val, not perfect English, but I think I have understood what you're trying to say in every sentence.)
Tiina:
--- Quote from: gattaca on May 03, 2014, 03:43:10 am ---
23. The scene with Marc's mum waiting in the car plays out and is quite frustrating. Mum tries to place a "guilt trip" on Marc when implying she failed in raising him "to be like that..." Marc's response is quite surprising and shows Marc becoming more embolden, willing to stand up to mum... that's tough, maybe too tough.
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--- Quote from: butlers_fantasy on May 03, 2014, 10:56:06 am ---I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him. She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.” Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me. What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay? Or straight, for that matter. What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her.
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--- Quote from: gattaca on May 06, 2014, 05:14:48 pm ---From my POV, that's implied... if you turned out like this, then we failed in "raising you right".. I've been on the receiving side of similar conversations and it was clear to me what she was implying. I agree, you hope your kids find your own way but in areas where there is only ONE way, once word gets out that the kids did not turn out "right..." then the community automatically wonders WTH did the parents not do for their kids.. implying failure.
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I interpreted Marc's mum's words as her implying they failed raising Marc right. Yes, you can't raise your child to be a hetero or a gay, but you can set the norms and teach right from wrong etc. What's interesting is the fact that I think most people immediately assume that Marc's mother is speaking about Marc being gay, but is she? Maybe she is just implying to the fact that Marc is cheating on Bettina. And the same goes to the scene at Marc's home. Didn't the director say something like that for many people being gay is ok as long as it doesn't concern you or your family. Then it changes. So I guess that's the point in the "We have nothing against you or gays, but..." scene, but who is there to say that this is again about the gay issue. Who the fuck would want a person to come to your home that you know is having an affair with your son, even though your son is living with someone and they just had a baby. So for me it has never been clearly about homophobia, but about cheating, which obviously is not acceptable.
Val:
--- Quote from: Tiina on January 25, 2016, 07:46:00 pm ---Some very old discussions:
My thoughts:
Gregor is saying nasty things about Kay and it's hard to let someone trash-talk of a person you love. And especially when Kay isn't there to defend himself, Marc feels the need to do so. I have always seen the same thing in this scene as I see in the next scene, the club scene. Which is missing Kay. Marc uses the exact same words as Kay and is behaving exactly like Kay with Gregor. "Getting horny, huh?" and "Pussy." Marc could have handled the situation very differently, but that copying tells me that Marc is missing Kay. He's making Kay present and like in the club scene, Marc is making a recreation of the past. I guess the "acting like Kay" also tells about that he's proud of Kay, he was perfect, the way he was.
But why not just defend Kay's honour, why does Marc feel the need to provoke Gregor. Lot of the times when a person is being hurt mentally, for some strange reason, the person wants to also feel the pain physically. And I think this is why Marc wants to be beaten up by Gregor. Or this might also be simply about self-punishment. Does Marc try to fight back.. no.
Marc does kind of come out of the closet too, but I don't think that is what this scene's about. I think he just happens to come out of the closet. Sure, in the past he would never ever had revealed that he has been with a man, but now that Marc has lost EVERYTHING.. what is there to lose anymore.
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I confess I do not like to see this scene because I'm very sorry for Marc.
I think Marc allowed Gregor hit him because he was punishing himself for what happened to Kay. Marc is explosive and could have retaliated. But it was not what happened.
See: At the beginning of the scene already see that Marc is very upset by the absence of Kay and everything that is happening to him, moreover Kay was humiliated by Gregor and Marc did not help him at the time, on the contrary abandoned for stay with Bettina. Now that Kay is gone he is suffering and has no turning back and apologize to him.
So I think the Mac is starting to take their new sexuality to himself and is withdrawing forces from their pain.
I believe all the words that Marc spoke to Gregor mean that it is now equal to Kay !! Yes, it is gay too and will beat me for it !!!
P.S. In the deleted scene where Marc discovers that Kay left the Frank says he can forget about the criminal case ... but that process is this? It would be against Gregor? And when you proposed? Was it about the fight in the cafeteria where Kay hits Gregor because he humiliated him? Interesting one deleted scene.
Val:
--- Quote from: Tiina on January 26, 2016, 12:43:49 pm ---I interpreted Marc's mum's words as her implying they failed raising Marc right. Yes, you can't raise your child to be a hetero or a gay, but you can set the norms and teach right from wrong etc. What's interesting is the fact that I think most people immediately assume that Marc's mother is speaking about Marc being gay, but is she? Maybe she is just implying to the fact that Marc is cheating on Bettina. And the same goes to the scene at Marc's home. Didn't the director say something like that for many people being gay is ok as long as it doesn't concern you or your family. Then it changes. So I guess that's the point in the "We have nothing against you or gays, but..." scene, but who is there to say that this is again about the gay issue. Who the fuck would want a person to come to your home that you know is having an affair with your son, even though your son is living with someone and they just had a baby. So for me it has never been clearly about homophobia, but about cheating, which obviously is not acceptable.
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Tiina agree with you, do not think the Marc family is totally homophobic, because they did not confront the Marc about it after his mother see him with Kay in the hospital. I think the big problem is treason to the wife of Marc. The fact that Marc having a child is also very strong for them. Note that the mother of Marc says to Kay: "you know what day it is?"
Let us agree that Kay is no saint in this story. But it's not the only culprit, because Marc was involved with him because he wanted to. Kay was very engaging and fell in love of truth and Marc just wanted sex and ended up loving the Kay too !!
It's a beautiful love story !!!
Val:
Tiiiiiiiiiiiiiinaaaaaaaaaa!!! Ele é belo!!! He's beautiful!!
8)
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