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THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« on: June 05, 2015, 03:12:49 pm »
First it was “gay,” then “LGBT,” and now amongst some,  “LBGTT2SQQA.”  The confusion and awkwardness caused by the growing number of capital letters used to refer to the various groups within the overall non-heterosexual community breaks down into 2 aspects:

The groups involved do indeed have the right to ask others to refer to them by a term that is not offensive and emphasizes their uniqueness.  The only problem here is that the number of groups keeps getting larger until it has become awkward and confusing.   Besides having a certain “political correctness gone wild”  feel to the question, it is confusing in that lots of us within and without the communities involved keep wondering what some of the capital letters even refer to.  For example I thought the A meant “asking,” but now I have been told it means “allies.”  I question why people not hostile to the rest of us sexual orientationally marginalized people even need to be included in the group with their own letter.  But this raises the real problem in the orientation alphabet :

There is a basic conflict in the whole question.  Just the grouping together of the various capital letters is an attempt to do two things at once—give a uniqueness to each group that speaks to that group's individuality, but at the same time using the letters together to speak to all of us being in the same boat-- in the same struggle for human rights and  freedom from oppression.  Wouldn't it make more sense to use a single word when referring to all sexual orientations not exclusively straight, and when referring to each group's individuality use the word appropriate to that sub-group—gay, lesbian, intersex, etc?  With this approach, all that is necessary is to keep in mind when you are talking about a particular marginalized group and when you are referring to the larger community as a whole.  No need to worry about inclusiveness.

I suggest we use Q, Queer, to replace the alphabet soup when referring to all non-straight people.  I confess I DO wince when I hear straight people use the word, but I can get over that.  The word “queer” has been redeemed by many non-straight people in recent years, and deliberately using it to replace the 10-letter alternative would serve to redeem it even more.  Getting straights to stop using the word doesn't seem to be working, perhaps by redefining “queer” hearing it won't feel so much like a knife in the back.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2015, 08:27:46 pm »
Not sure about Q. I'm thinking about Graham Moore and what he said at the Oscars: "Stay weird. Stay different" Now there's something I can't relate to, even though I am an A. But, trouble is, W is already taken by that silly president we were burdened with a few years ago.

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« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2015, 02:24:07 am »
Not sure about Q. I'm thinking about Graham Moore and what he said at the Oscars: "Stay weird. Stay different" Now there's something I can't relate to, even though I am an A. But, trouble is, W is already taken by that silly president we were burdened with a few years ago.

Graham Moore's speech

I'm not sure I am following you here, FR.  I took Moore's “Stay weird.  Stay different.”  to mean something like “Don't be prey to internalized homophobia—instead be Proud.”  Is your comment “There's something I can't relate to...” pointing back to Moore, or forward to your use of W (I assume you mean Women)?  If you are suggesting that misogyny is qualitatively like LGBTQ oppression, I respectfully suggest that this would be comparing apples to oranges, in that the oppression women continue to face is due to gender, not to sexual orientation.  To reference Moore's speech, W's are neither weird nor different.  They make up some 51% of the world's population.  Their oppression comes from a different source than does hostility to us on the pink team.

I am certainly not discounting the seriousness of the struggle for women's equality, but I wonder if it is basically a battle for equal power, rather than the strange, pathological horror so many individuals, groups, and nations feel about the LGBTQ phenomenon.  51% of the population is a lot more of a threat to the wielders of power than is the 5% we represent.

To add W to the alphabet soup mix would, I fear, turn the group that LGBTQ etc., represents into a minority-groups-in-general umbrella group, rather than one defined by the range of sexual orientations within it.  Perhaps that would be painting with too broad a brush.  I may be wrong here, but to me gender and orientation are not the same thing, although they are analogous.  A very wise man once advised me to “Choose your battles carefully.”  It is difficult for one person to fight all battles at once.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2015, 09:26:24 am »
Wouldn't it make more sense to use a single word when referring to all sexual orientations not exclusively straight, and when referring to each group's individuality use the word appropriate to that sub-group—gay, lesbian, intersex, etc?  

Yes. This is how the term "sexual minorities" evolved. Just like the term "ethnic minorities," there is no need to identify each individual ethnicity or sexual orientation being referred to because it catches all.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2015, 11:18:39 am »
By latching on to the letter W, x-man, I was referring to Graham Moore's use of the word "Weird", not to women.
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« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2015, 01:43:55 pm »
Yes. This is how the term "sexual minorities" evolved. Just like the term "ethnic minorities," there is no need to identify each individual ethnicity or sexual orientation being referred to because it catches all.

I agree with you that "sexual minorities" could be used as the inclusive term for the non-straight world, except that for me the phrase does not capture the umbrella group's  identity that a single word like Queer, or FR's Weird would.  To say "the queer community" or "the weird struggle" seems tidier.  Maybe I am asking too much of language or am making distinctions when there is no difference.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2015, 01:57:06 pm »
By latching on to the letter W, x-man, I was referring to Graham Moore's use of the word "Weird", not to women.

I like "Weird" better than "Queer" to refer to the range of non-straight people when you want to emphasize their being a single, all-inclusive group.  The word has a whimsy about it that "Queer" does not--nor does Weird have the dark connotations that Queer does.

All this reminds me of the Haight-Ashbury in SF in the late 60's.  (I was there, beard and hair practically down to my waist, trying desperately to be a dope dealer.  But I was hopeless at it, and kept giving it away for free.)  The word "hippy" was not used.  We divided the world into "freaks" and "straights."  It wasn't as confusing to us gay freaks as you might think--we just considered who we were talking with and used "straight" accordingly.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2015, 02:02:21 pm »
Isn't it rich? Isn't it queer?


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!

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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2015, 06:27:38 pm »
Isn't it rich? Isn't it queer?

Osito mio,

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"And where are the clowns?" you asked.
"There ought to be clowns."

And so I am here.

Nice to hear from you again.  I hope Jeff will drop by too.  I miss his barks of alarm.
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Re: THE EVER EXPANDING SEXUAL ORIENTATION ALPHABET
« Reply #9 on: June 08, 2015, 09:06:37 am »
I'm sure he'll be around!


Tell him when l come up to him and ask to play the record, l'm gonna say: ''Voulez-vous jouer ce disque?''
'Voulez-vous, will you kiss my dick?'
Will you play my record? One-track mind!