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London Spy: Ben Whishaw, dreamy lover/genius Ed Holcroft and sage Jim Broadbent
Aloysius J. Gleek:
"I don't want you to stay with me just because I'm the first.
So--you should see other people. You should."
"I don't want to. I don't need to."
Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on February 02, 2016, 02:46:46 am ---
Music: ain't coming back--LIVE
written, sung by Edward Holcroft who plays Alex in London Spy
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Aloysius J. Gleek:
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http://www.bustle.com/articles/136010-who-is-alex-on-london-spy-edward-holcroft-is-due-to-make-waves-in-hollywood
Aloysius J. Gleek:
Although this is out of sequence,
in Episode 4, I believe this particular
excerpt is not really a spoiler but
an illuminating flashback--
London Spy
Episode 4
"I Know"
Under a starry night, a campfire idyll starts happily, but--
Danny (Ben Whishaw):
Do you believe in soul mates?
Alex (Edward Holcroft):
No. Not only do I not believe in them... it's not even a nice idea.
Danny:
Not a nice idea?
Alex:
That there's only just one other person out there for you. What are the odds this person would be in the same country? Or the same city? That their paths would even cross? It would mean almost everyone in the world is with the wrong person. If it's a way of saying, "we're good together", why not just say... "we're good together"? But if you mean it literally...
Danny:
You think there are better people out there for you?
Alex:
There might be. For both of us. But since we don't know them, it's just a theoretical.
Danny:
Yes. It's... a sentimental idea. The maths doesn't add up.
But... we're by the fire, we're under a night sky. Couldn't you just have said "yes"?
(Alex's face falls as Danny speaks)
Alex:
Is that what your soul mate would've done?
They are back in the city, the evening rather spoilt--
Danny:
Oh, I've done a lot of things with a lot of different people and... that's part of the reason I'm sure... that we're something special.
But, for you, it... I don't want you to stay with me just because I'm the first.
So, you should see other people.
You should.
Alex:
(Suddenly, Alex is shocked and tearful.)
I don't want to.
Danny:
I only meant...
Alex:
(Speaking very quickly)
I don't need to.
http://cinematic-literature.tumblr.com/post/136418754562/because-you-wanted-him-to-be-perfect-romantic
Aloysius J. Gleek:
From a blog entry found on tumblr:
http://mynameisalexx.tumblr.com/“I don’t want you to stay with me just because I’m the first.
So, you should see other people.
You should.”
“I don’t want to.”
“I only meant…”
“I don’t need to.”
From a blog entry found on tumblr:
https://www.tumblr.com/search/london%20spy%20i%20know
http://cinematic-literature.tumblr.com/post/134335106677/do-you-believe-in-soul-mates-romanticism-vs
“Do You Believe in Soul Mates?”
Romanticism vs Rationalism in London Spy
Dec 1, 2015
The fourth episode of London Spy has finally made me realize why I’ve fallen in love with the show since the first episode. It has triggered something in me and now I know what it is. I’m a very private person, but this time I need to open up to make you see my point.
One of the most intense moments of Episode 4, "I Know", are flashbacks of Danny and Alex, showing their love story is not as perfect as we thought. The contrast between their characters - Danny’s romanticism and Alex’s rationalism - creates tension because they’re using completely different languages, there’s no common ground here. Danny gets things started: he asks Alex if he believes in soul mates, because HE obviously does: Alex is his soul mate.
Alex’s answer crushes the romantic atmosphere Danny is trying to establish.
He goes on, and it’s his rational mind speaking: they’re good together, so why should they say they’re soul mates? Since there’s no soul mate, to be “good together” is the right way to put things.
Alex is all about rationalism: how can you be sure someone was “made for you”? Just think of how many people are in the world. There could be someone else right for you out there. Since we don’t know these people - Alex adds - “it’s just theoretical”. Alex is not being un-romantic or cynical: he’s just using his rational mind and matter-of-factness. This explanation should show Danny there are no hidden messages: Alex loves him and doesn’t want anybody else.
Danny doesn’t get the meaning of his boyfriend’s speech. He’s on the beach, under a starry night, with his soul mate: he wants his damn romantic dream. As a reaction, he mortifies Alex: if he loved him, he should pretend and say “yes”. They’re clearly speaking two different languages and each one is now closed to the other: both are hurt.
We understand how bad Danny is hurt later in the episode: he thinks there’s something special between them, but Alex doesn’t feel the same way because he doesn’t believe in soul mates. Alex has crushed his romantic dream. The solution: telling him to date someone else. Seeing other people will make him understand his mistake: he will see how special their relationship is.
Alex is desperate. Why is this happening? Why should he see other people? He doesn’t want to, he doesn’t need to. His rationalism has been crushed by Danny’s romantic vengeance. Again, they’re using two different languages, so one can’t understand the other.
I can relate on a very deep and personal level to both scenes: I am a hopeless romantic, just like Danny, while my husband has the mind of a mathematician, like Alex. I’m surprised when people wonder why Danny and Alex fell in love with each other: sure, they are very different, communication can be hard at times, but the attraction you feel for someone who’s your opposite is irresistible. I totally understand Danny’s act of spite, but I feel sorry for Alex: he’s the one who’s emotionally unprepared to deal with the thunderstorm of romantic feelings coming from Danny. Oh, I asked my husband the soul mate question. No need to tell you what he replied. ;)
LONDONSPYFANARTJO
From a blog entry found on tumblr:
http://j000000.tumblr.com/post/138359077496/poor-baby-alex-pls-dont-cry-he-makes-me-wanna
Poor baby Alex, pls don’t cry. He makes me wanna cry all the time.T_T
http://j000000.tumblr.com
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