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Man in an Orange Shirt
Aloysius J. Gleek:
Two gay men, grandfather and grandson in two episode dramas, more than 60 years apart--in the 1940s/50's, the young wife of the first gay man, and today, the same woman, now aged grandmother (Vanessa Redgrave) of the second gay man, cannot accept, cannot forgive, either of them.
Shown in the UK late July/early August 2017 MAN IN AN ORANGE SHIRT will not be seen in the U.S. (PBS Masterpiece) until June 2018--
However--
Someone has cleverly posted both episodes on Youtube, putting Spanish subtitles (on the bottom of the screen, and NOT obtrusively) as a dodge--
if you are interested, see the episodes QUICKLY before they are pulled down!
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmSJaA9TBn8[/youtube]
Man In An Orange Shirt
part 1 in english with Spanish subtitles/capitulo 1 sub español
Published on August 8, 2017
Two love stories, sixty years apart, charting the challenges
and huge change to gay lives from WW2 to present.
The first screen drama from best-selling novelist Patrick Gale,
starring Oliver Jackson-Cohen and James McArdle
A Kudos Production for BBC
Part of the BBC's Gay Britannia season
[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ZViA_BGzg[/youtube]
Man In An Orange Shirt
part 2 in english with Spanish subtitles/capitulo 2 sub español
Published on August 11, 2017
Two love stories, sixty years apart, charting the challenges
and huge change to gay lives from WW2 to present.
The first screen drama from best-selling novelist Patrick Gale,
starring Julian Morris, David Gyasi
and Vanessa Redgrave
A Kudos Production for BBC
Part of the BBC's Gay Britannia season
FYI, I think it's better to see them in the correct order, episode 1 in the 40s/50s. then episode 2--even though I actually preferred episode 2.
Also FYI--Vanessa Redgrave's father, famous actor Michael Redgrave, of course, was gay, and Vanessa's husband, director Tony Richardson, was also gay. The writer of the story from the film was taken, Patrick Gale, is the son of a gay man, and he is himself gay (married to Aidan Hicks, m. 2008)
Also Also FYI--in episode 2 watch out for Julian Sands of A Room with a View (1985)
Final FYI--grandfather (Oliver Jackson-Cohen, 30) and grandson (Julian Morris, 34) are VERY sympathetic and VERY attractive, so there is definitely that!
gattaca:
--- Quote from: brian on September 02, 2017, 03:45:48 pm ---...I was very emotional at the end almost as much as BBM.
I guess I fall between the 2 times.
Another movie I saw a week or so ago at the NZ International Film festival was called "100 Men" Having been made in NZ, it may not get much airing elsewhere although the producer lived and worked most of his life in London. It was a great movie as it was a history of gay life by going through 100 men (unlike me he must have written names in his diary) with whom he had sex. He interviews some of them.
I plan to see "God's Own Country" this afternoon. It started in the theatres last Thursday but I am afraid it will not stay long. As I wrote, I was very disappointed in "Call me by my name" so I hope I am not disappointed this afternoon.
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Yeap. I'll discuss some later with spoiler flags on. There are quite a few swift kicks.
Yeap. My gut has always said that many fall somewhere in between either spectrum...
WOW "100 Men" sounds interesting. It's an "look back in time" + "where are they now" I D K how I feel about that.
Yes I really want to see "God's Own Country". But we may have to wait a while here in the US. The reviews make the hairs on my neck stand.
V.
gattaca:
--- Quote from: Aloysius J. Gleek on September 02, 2017, 10:04:57 pm ---Someone has cleverly posted both episodes on Youtube, putting Spanish subtitles (on the bottom of the screen, and NOT obtrusively) as a dodge--if you are interested, see the episodes QUICKLY before they are pulled down![/color][/size]
FYI, I think it's better to see them in the correct order, episode 1 in the 40s/50s. then episode 2--even though I actually preferred episode 2.
Also FYI--Vanessa Redgrave's father, famous actor Michael Redgrave, of course, was gay, and Vanessa's husband, director Tony Richardson, was also gay. The writer of the story from the film was taken, Patrick Gale, is the son of a gay man, and he is himself gay (married to Aidan Hicks, m. 2008)
Also Also FYI--in episode 2 watch out for Julian Sands of A Room with a View (1985)
Final FYI--grandfather (Oliver Jackson-Cohen, 30) and grandson (Julian Morris, 34) are VERY sympathetic and VERY attractive, so there is definitely that!
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Ditto. Those links probably won't survive long.
Yes, they need to be seen in order as intended or you may not understand Flora's twisting. If I had to choose, I preferred Episode 1 for the hopefulness - Episode 2 for the reality.
Oh wow, I did not know that about Redgrave's family or history. It is more than fitting that she is playing the grandmother! She and Gale have much in common.
Ditto. :o
V.
Aloysius J. Gleek:
--- Quote from: gattaca on September 03, 2017, 09:24:15 am ---Ditto. Those links probably won't survive long.
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Sadly.
--- Quote from: gattaca on September 03, 2017, 09:24:15 am ---Yes, they need to be seen in order as intended or you may not understand Flora's twisting. If I had to choose, I preferred Episode 1 for the hopefulness - Episode 2 for the reality.
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Just the opposite for me. My family history, life history, is such that, for me, Episode 1 means "reality" (what ever that means) and Episode 2 means "hopefulness" (however illusory).
I was born in 1954 to much older parents. A few members of my mother's family lived in London during the war. In some ways, they found the war was difficult but exciting, but post-war was very bleak.
Mrs. March, Thomas's middle class mother (the sainted Frances de la Tour) was bravely, acerbically stoic, a leathery old turtle who was also kind and vulnerable. I knew people just like that, and I loved them very much. But the era of 50s Britain was defeated, day-to-day life was literally thwarted (so different than 50s America, where I was born and lived). Gay life in 50s Britain was dire.
At least now everything is open, and we can fight openly.
--- Quote from: gattaca on September 03, 2017, 09:24:15 am ---Oh wow, I did not know that about Redgrave's family or history. It is more than fitting that she is playing the grandmother! She and Gale have much in common.
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Oh, it's better (or worse!) than that. Vanessa's daughter, Joely Richardson, said it was scurrilous nonsense, but for years the widespread rumor told was that Vanessa came home unexpectedly to find her husband was in bed with--wait for it--her father. So yes, there are a LOT of resonances vibrating like mad around that lovely cottage.
:o ::) :laugh:
brianr:
100 men
Interesting it shows part where they discuss the Castro. I went back to the Castro while in SF at the beginning of July, actually July 4. Although I have visited SF several times since I had not made it up to the Castro since 1980. Very sad. It is all very well to celebrate that gays are welcome everywhere today but how do we meet. The couple in front of me at God's Own Country" were obviously a gay couple but they left as soon as the credits began. There was one other single probably in his 50's but everyone else (less than a dozen) was a hetero couple (the theatre was the smallest in our multiplex only seating 34.)
There were more obvious gays at "100 men" and the group sitting behind me had an interesting conversation before the start but I left without speaking to anyone. I live in a university city and there are gay groups at the university but obviously not my age. At the Gay fair each year there are stalls set up for lesbians and the university gay group but nothing for older gays. I have lots of friends and organise a weekly hiking group for over 60's but they are nearly all women, widowed, divorced or still married, the few men including my best mate are all married. I do not know any openly gay men to talk to in my home city.
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