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southendmd:
And if this isn't rap, I don't know what is. "Whadya Talk?" aka "Rock Island" also from Music Man.
This is actually brilliant!
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 27, 2021, 09:52:34 pm ---I know nothing about rap except that it's a thing. I was under the impression that the lyrics were (probably) slower than Stipe.
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They probably usually are. But not always; take these examples. (Only 49 and 41 seconds respectively)
Eminem does that really well, but I think he's unusual in that respect. I don't know how a mouth can even move that fast.
Here's a more typical speed, by Jay-Z, but still pretty fast, maybe closer to ItEotWaWKI's pace. This one is the full-length song, which you've probably heard, but it's a nice video and aside from some of the lyrics I really like this song -- Alicia Keys' part at least as much as Jay-Z's.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: southendmd on April 27, 2021, 11:11:26 pm ---Here is my version of early rap: it's from 1955, "Guys and Dolls". Whadya think?
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To me, that song sounds like regular old singing.
--- Quote from: southendmd on April 27, 2021, 11:17:06 pm ---And then there was this, from "Music Man" (1957), also early rap, in my opinion.
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Absolutely! Robert Preston is definitely rapping -- rapping about vice, in fact, a frequent hip-hop topic. Preston is widely recognized within the rap world as an early pioneer of the genre.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: serious crayons on April 28, 2021, 09:59:57 am ---Absolutely! Robert Preston is definitely rapping -- rapping about vice, in fact, a frequent hip-hop topic. Preston is widely recognized within the rap world as an early pioneer of the genre.
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That's interesting. Then they really ought to give at least some credit to Meredith Wilson. He wrote it, after all. I wonder what he would think if he knew people were considering "Trouble" as an example of Rap?
I wonder if there was a term for that sort of thing in Wilson's day?
Has anybody ever expressed an opinion on something like "I Am the Very Model of a Modern Major General"?
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on April 28, 2021, 11:52:40 am ---That's interesting. Then they really ought to give at least some credit to Meredith Wilson. He wrote it, after all. I wonder what he would think if he knew people were considering "Trouble" as an example of Rap?
I wonder if there was a term for that sort of thing in Wilson's day?
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Well, I kinda answered my own question, I guess. Whoever compiled this list considers "Ya Got Trouble" to be a patter song. That's what I would have called it rather than a rap, but then I'm an Old Musical kinda guy.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_patter_songs
It's the very last item listed in the "After G&S" category.
I didn't have time to read this word for word, but there seems to be some interesting and relevant stuff in it about the relationship between patter songs and rap.
https://newmusicaltheatre.com/blogs/green-room/why-i-care-about-rap-musicals
"He Doesn't Know the Territory" is from "Rock Island,"the opening number in The Music Man.
This author lists "Rock Island" but doesn't mention "Ya Got Trouble."
https://www.broadwayworld.com/article/SOUND-OFF-Special-Edition-Top-10-Raddest-Baddest-Rap-Songs-In-Broadway-History-20150805
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