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Really OT: United 93
henrypie:
At the end of this month I'm singing in some performances of John Adams On the Transmigration of Souls, a big piece for chorus, children's chorus and orchestra whose text is made up of snippets from missing persons signs made by people looking for their family members after September 11. It is so haunting. I'm much more interested in a piece of music than a movie, in this case. My nervous system is... I don't know. Nervous.
littledarlin:
--- Quote from: Chanterais on April 06, 2006, 12:59:31 am ---I believe so strongly that art has not only a right, but also a responsibility to tell the stories of our times. One can certainly make the argument that the studio that financed United 93 is looking at the bottom line, and not at the artistry or cultural relevance. Nevertheless, it appears to be a film put together with the utmost sensitivity - every single one of the families of the victims signed off on the film. Not one has said that this film shouldn't have been made. In fact, many of them have articulated just how vital it is that we take the time to remember, how important and respectful the film is.
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when you put it that way, you have a valid point. all i had seen was the trailer and it just drove me insane. we are in iraq, still, on false pretenses. we can not find bin laden. many members of this administration have been or are being investigated for multiple crimes (someone in the dept of homeland security arrested today for pedophilia) and that's barely the tip of the iceberg. but we can make a movie out of 9/11. we can't fix it, we can't solve it, but we sure can exploit it. it may end up being a great movie, who knows. but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.
of course we have to remember, how could anyone possibly forget? but i would be demanding investigations and apologies before i approved a film about it. but again, i guess we'll see when the movie comes out. maybe, hopefully, it will help.
Chanterais:
--- Quote from: littledarlin on April 06, 2006, 01:14:56 am --- it may end up being a great movie, who knows. but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.
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LD, I hate how I con't convey with my tone of voice right now how I don't mean what I'm going to say in an argumentative way. I swear to god, I'm don't.
How is the administration using the film? I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way. Is that common knowledge? Fill me in! I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile. But I have not heard that they are championing it.
In some ways, it strikes me that they'd have a lot to fear if people start being reminded again of how badly the administration has screwed things up since 9/11. Americans might start asking them a few more uncomfortable questions about how they allowed the attacks to occur, and why they haven't caught the people who masterminded it. They've got a lot to answer for, if you ask me. But then, nobody is! ;D
JCinNYC2006:
--- Quote from: Chanterais on April 06, 2006, 01:33:45 am ---
--- Quote from: littledarlin on April 06, 2006, 01:14:56 am --- it may end up being a great movie, who knows. but the fact is the administration is using it to their advantage, as they have from the beginning, and making a movie so soon just seems to me to be feeding off of the fear-mongering the administration provokes.
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<snip>How is the administration using the film? I hadn't heard that they were supporting it, or affiliated with it any any way. Is that common knowledge? Fill me in! I'm no apologist for the Bushies, and I agree that their fear-mongering is unbelievably offensive and vile. But I have not heard that they are championing it. <snip>
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Chanterais I haven't heard of the administration specifically endorsing the film, but there is a connection through the media. In a way the point of the film follows some of the media speculation about how the passengers acted to try and 'bring down' the terrorists on board the flight. I was never convinced of this either way. Reportedly some of the conversations to loved ones from cell phones indicated there might be a response, but we'll never really know.
The Advocate, a gay weekly magazine, made Mark Bingham, a gay man who was onboard, person of the year for supposing that "he was the type of guy who would've done something". It would be comforting and reassuring to think that the passengers acted in some kind of aggressive way to try and save themselves, and given the tragedy of the whole event I can understand the need to find heroes for inspiration. But I can imagine the media making a further distraction from the Bush administration's dangerous policies if the movie turns out to strike a chord. Not necessarily something the White House would orchestrate...sad thing is, they wouldn't even have to with media coverage being what it is.
I was much more interested in your own personal experience of 9/11. It sounds extremely intense, and I think a good filmmaker could make a powerful movie about the way people who were similarly affected, or did lose loved ones, have dealt with the aftermath. Granted that would be a harder movie to make as well, but as someone posted and I agree, that's the job of art....telling real stories to illuminate our humanity.
Juan
delalluvia:
--- Quote ---Plus I already watch movies about a super-spy who can do anything and everything - but he dresses better. They're called 'James Bond' movies.
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--- Quote ---Hey Del Thanks for the notes on The Libertine, and Re Cruise verseses Bond...touche'....Bond is a class act all the way no matter who portrays him, althought I still have my doubts about Daniel Craig being right for the part...time will tell.
After all.. I was one of those fools who cried "Jake Gyllenhaal and Heath Ledger what the hell are they thinking"! Never been so pleased about being wrong in my life!
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Heh, I think Craig will do OK. When the announcement came on, the women at work were like, 'who's Daniel Craig?' and I replied, "The guy who did the naked scene in 'Lara Croft Tomb Raider'" and they replied, "Oh, ok."
He at least fits one part of the bill. ;D
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