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opinionista:

--- Quote ---What would have happened, if Ennis and Jack hadn't been the only ones looking for work at Aguirre's, or what would have happened to Ennis, had Jack not been there? Do you think Ennis would have found out about his true self?
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My guess is that he probably wouldn't. He would probably have certain feelings around men but his tendency for self denial wouldn't let him realize he was gay.


--- Quote ---Why is Jack carrying some of the sheep? Are they hurt?
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I don't know, but I read somewhere Ang Lee wanted Jake to do that. It think that was on one of Pierre answers on TOB.


--- Quote ---What’s the thing with the can-opener. We hear Jack say he’s good at it and then obviously he isn’t? Why are we given this information?
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I think the intention was to add some humor to such a sad and heartbreaking story. Jack was pretty bad at a lot of things except perhaps rodeoing.


--- Quote ---What else is Ennis mumbling besides “Fuck it” when he comes back injured after the bear-incident. He says something, when he passes Jack to sit down next to the fire, doesn't he?
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Damn mules? I can't remember


--- Quote ---I’m each time more surprised at Ennis’ reaction after the 1st tent scene. He rides off in anger(?) at first, but then comes back all calm, stands, then crouches next to Jack saying the “this is a one-shot thing we’ve got going” etc “I’m not queer” “Me neither” and so on. I love that moment, but what happened to Ennis, what ‘changed’ his mind. I mentioned this before, but isn’t that at least part of a moment where he realises he’s got some sort of feeling for Jack. Would he have come back otherwise? He could've just left, weren’t it for the salary he would lose. Although he’s obviously in complete denial about it, he could just as easily have never uttered another word to Jack.. Hmm..
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I think Ennis was already very much in love with Jack. Besides, it was his first sexual experience. And, as it happens with everyone, it probably had a strong impact on him.


--- Quote ---Did Aguirre invent the ‘worse storm’ to get Ennis and Jack down from BBM early, because he didn’t like what he saw (through his binocular)
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Probably but highly unlikely. He had the sheep to think about.


--- Quote ---The scene with Ennis and Jack fighting after the “Time to go, Cowboy” (another line I like!) – we all know Ennis gets aggressive, because he doesn’t know how to handle his frustration or express his feelings, so my feeling is, he get's aggressive here because it the moment where he realizes that soon he’s going to see Jack for the very last time (btw, that punch hurts, every time I see it - weird sound).
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In the story Ennis tells Jack  when they're at the Motel Siesta that it took a while for him to realized that he shouldn't have let him go. I know he is actually talking about the stomach ache he felt when Jack drove away but I think he began to feel bad about the idea of losing Jack when they were still on the mountain. When Jack says that line, Ennis is sitting on the ground looking sad and miserable.


--- Quote ---I had the impression the ‘clown’ knew instantly what Jack wanted. Did he? Had it happen to him before?
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I don't think he did but  someone in this board said Jack probably had a reputation within the rodeo circuit when he tries to hit on Jimbo.


--- Quote ---I saw another furtive glance from Jack at Randall, just when Jack is standing up after he asks LaShawn to dance.
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Yes! but it was more Randall than Jack.


--- Quote ---Why is Jack asking Ennis whether he found anyone else to marry? Why would he ask that?
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That question was discussed on a thread at TOB but I don't know if it was deleted. Someone said Jack was baiting Ennis to find out where he stood in Ennis life. But when he hears about Cassie, he gets jealous and comes up with the lie about having an affair with LaShawn.


--- Quote --- Lureen on the phone with Ennis – her answer as to how Jack died is so totally ‘learned by heart’ as if it was the ‘official’ answer when people ask about Jack’s death. I think when she tells Ennis that Jack wanted to be buried on BBM and she said she didn’t know why (his favourite place, but probably a pretend-place Jack invented..) and Ennis answers that that’s where he and Jack stayed in the summer of 1963, I think that’s the moment when Lureen understands! The tiny unh! Lureen utters and then the fact that she goes on telling Ennis about visiting Jack’s parents, makes it clear to me.. well, that that’s when she realises that the ‘rumors’ where true.. and that there is no need anymore to get angry, really or to keep pretending. Maybe she wasn’t as ‘cold’ as she seemed to be and by telling Ennis what happened to the rest of the ashes (and that he should visit Jack's parents), was to grant Jack his last wish, because she did indeed love him.. Eh.. is that too far fetched? Anyway, I think it’s beautiful.
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I agree with you. I think when Lureen learns Brokeback was not a pretend place she suddenly realizes Jack didn't go to Wyoming 2 or 3 times a year all by himself just to fish.


--- Quote --- I know it's bee explained a trillion times, but I still don't know what "pup tent on the QT" means… What's a pup tent? And what does QT stand for?.. Sorry..
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I still don't know what QT means but pup tent means the baby tent or small tent right?  A pup is a baby dog. I guess that's where the terms comes from.

serious crayons:
A pup tent is a small flimsy tent, just big enough for one person. "On the QT" means on the quiet -- secretly.

Interesting idea, Opinionista, about Jack asking Ennis about marriage as a way to bait him, then responding with the lie about his own fling out of jealousy. Though you'd think he could tell from Ennis' lackluster description of the relationship with Cassie that there wasn't much to be jealous of.

cmr107:
Could Jack perhaps have asked about Ennis getting married again because he (Jack) was still married? Perhaps he felt guilty about it? Just throwin' that out there....

opinionista:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on April 06, 2006, 03:52:58 pm ---A pup tent is a small flimsy tent, just big enough for one person. "On the QT" means on the quiet -- secretly.

Interesting idea, Opinionista, about Jack asking Ennis about marriage as a way to bait him, then responding with the lie about his own fling out of jealousy. Though you'd think he could tell from Ennis' lackluster description of the relationship with Cassie that there wasn't much to be jealous of.


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Yes, but the idea wasn't mine. Someone posted that at TOB. Anyway, I thought it made sense. Perhaps, like you said, Jack knew there was nothing to be jealous of. But when that conversation happens Jack was already fed up with their relationship. He was bitter and angry. I guess he wanted to find out where he stood in Ennis life, because as we all know Ennis wouldn't commit, yet he continued to meet him at the mountain. My guess is that Jack perhaps gets mad at Ennis for keeping that women-dating charade going after so many years together, instead of being true to himself and doing something to save what they had. Perhaps Jack's real intention was to tell Ennis about Randall but then decided that it wasn't a good idea after all. He knew Ennis too well.

delalluvia:

--- Quote ---What would have happened, if Ennis and Jack hadn't been the only ones looking for work at Aguirre's, or what would have happened to Ennis, had Jack not been there? Do you think Ennis would have found out about his true self?
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No, I don't think so.


--- Quote ---Why is Jack carrying some of the sheep? Are they hurt?
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I think it's because in that one scene, they're crossing a creek and perhaps the sheep kept shying away and wouldn't continue so he had to carry it across the river.  Obviously if it's injured, he ain't going to carry a heavy full grown sheep the whole way up the mountain.  The lambs I figure they carried so they can keep up or because they're sick.


--- Quote ---What’s the thing with the can-opener. We hear Jack say he’s good at it and then obviously he isn’t? Why are we given this information?
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What do you mean?  Jack worked the can opener perfectly.  ;D  He just messed up taking the lid off the can after.


--- Quote ---What else is Ennis mumbling besides “Fuck it” when he comes back injured after the bear-incident. He says something, when he passes Jack to sit down next to the fire, doesn't he?
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'Dumbass mules' is what I heard.


--- Quote ---Did Aguirre invent the ‘worse storm’ to get Ennis and Jack down from BBM early, because he didn’t like what he saw (through his binocular)
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IMO no.  The sheep still needed to be grazed regardless of the behavior of the shepherds.


--- Quote ---I had the impression the ‘clown’ knew instantly what Jack wanted. Did he? Had it happen to him before?
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Screenplay says no, he didn't know.


--- Quote ---Did Alma Jr know (she must have overheard her mother’s "Jack Twist? Jack Nasty!" She must have heard, just as everyone else in the house (i.e. Monroe))
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IMO no.  Look how far away the kitchen is from the living room where they're watching TV.  The two talk in a normal tone of voice until Alma starts yelling 'Get out'.  It's very unlikely they heard anything.


--- Quote ---It seems that a lot of people ‘knew’ or could have known about Jack and Ennis (Aguirre, the clown, Alma, Monroe, Lureen, her parents, Jack's parents.. etc), that’s why I’m tending more and more towards Jack having been murdered, though I don’t really want to know.
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Aguirre knows.  The clown didn't know.  Alma knew as did Jack's parents, but IMO not Monroe, not Lureen or her parents (until the end phone call).  Aguirre may or may not blab, but he doesn't look like the gossiping type.  Jack's parents arent going to say anything and neither is Alma, so relatively speaking few people knew and these people aren't likely to blab about it.



--- Quote ---I might have seen wrong, but in the scene where Ennis discovers the shirts, it looks like the blood stains are on the blue shirt, but that can’t be. Right?
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No, there was blood on both shirts.

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