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vkm91941:
I am firmly back in the Jack was murdered camp.   The "flash-back" of what happens seems to be more Lureen's to me than Ennis's.  And that little cry/moan she makes when she realizes who Ennis is, is her realization that Jack had the same relationship with Ennis that he was having with Randall. As Annie says in her story...the little voice is as cold as snow.

You know that old addage you don't shit wear you eat, will I've come to the conclusion that Jack did indeed take up with Randall and he was telling the truth when he told Ennis he almost got caught a coupla times sneaking out to be with the "wife"(when actually he was sneaking out to be with Randall)....that time he did get caught and it cost him his life..

I may change my mind after another half dozen viewing but this is where I'm sitting rightnow  pretty strong in that conviction.

rtprod:
I'm with you, 100%.  But still think Ennis is the one "seeing" the murder, rather than Lureen. 
rt

EnnisDelMar:

--- Quote from: vkm91941 on April 06, 2006, 03:09:12 pm ---I am firmly back in the Jack was murdered camp.   The "flash-back" of what happens seems to be more Lureen's to me than Ennis's.  And that little cry/moan she makes when she realizes who Ennis is, is her realization that Jack had the same relationship with Ennis that he was having with Randall. As Annie says in her story...the little voice is as cold as snow.

You know that old addage you don't shit wear you eat, will I've come to the conclusion that Jack did indeed take up with Randall and he was telling the truth when he told Ennis he almost got caught a coupla times sneaking out to be with the "wife"(when actually he was sneaking out to be with Randall)....that time he did get caught and it cost him his life..

I may change my mind after another half dozen viewing but this is where I'm sitting rightnow  pretty strong in that conviction.

--- End quote ---

I've always thought it was more Lureen thinking about what really happened as she was telling Ennis 'what happened', so I agree.

YaadPyar:
I've always thought most of what you said Vic.  The only difference that I get is that in the story it's cleary Ennis who is imagining/understanding the situation - from his perspective completely in the story.

But I'm in agreement on all counts otherwise.  The possibility of the tire accident to me completely changes the meaning of this story, although I know other's dont' agree.

rtprod:
Celeste,

I agree with you so completely.  The whole exploding tire just isn't plausible to me, and Lureen, as played by Hathaway is obviously lying.  Now I'm going to catch hell for this, but it significantly softens one of the story's principal themes--an intolerant society of the time--if Jack's death was an accident.  Additionally, it's foreshadowed so heavily in the campfire scene....

Here comes the hate mail....

rt

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