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Saw the Hand Holdin'.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: Joe Allen Doty on May 19, 2006, 09:43:16 pm ---According to what she wrote, I would say, as a man who has camped out with men, that Jack knew that Ennis already had an erection before he seized Ennis's LEFT hand. Jack might have already felt the clear slick on the head of Ennis's penis.
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I really don't agree with this Joe, that Ennis had an erection before Jack took his hand, or even if he did, that Jack would know about it. I think you put a lot of emphasise on the deepened intimacy, and assume that it means that there was some kind of foreplay going on prior to Jack taking Ennis' hand. I still see quite a bit of spontaneity in this scene (both in the book and the film). Just IMHO of course.
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: Joe Allen Doty on May 20, 2006, 01:38:22 am ---But, knowing the character of Annie Proulx's original Ennis Del Mar and observing what the Movie Jack did, which was rather awkward, in reaching behind himself and across Ennis's body to grab Ennis's left hand, I would say that the AP Ennis would not have had sex with Jack at all, he would have given Jack an attitude adjustment by slugging him with his fist instead.
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I guess so.
--- Quote ---While we both speak English, you don't speak American English; but, I don't speak Australian English either.
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What a load of rubbish. Are you trying to tell me "deepened intimacy" means something special to americans? Spare me please.
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: Aussie Chris on May 20, 2006, 02:36:48 am ---What a load of rubbish. Are you trying to tell me "deepened intimacy" means something special to americans? Spare me please.
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Yes. "Deepened intimacy" is Americanese for reaching back and grabbing somebody's left hand and placing it on your genitals. What, you've never heard that one, Chris?
Rayn:
"...he wanted none of it when Jack seized his left hand and brought it to his erect cock. Ennis jerked his hand away as though he'd touched fire, got to his knees, unbuckled his belt, shoved his pants down, hauled Jack onto all fours and..." Had sex with him! I think the above is the odd thing about the first tent scene and about Ennis himself. First he "wanted none of it" then he pulls his jeans off hauls Jack into position and enters him! It's odd and almost funny when you think of the quick switch he made. Anyone got anything to say that can explain that more? I think it's a show of how conflicted Ennis really is... His head says no, but his cock say yes, his fears say no, but in the end his heart said yes...
Rayn
Front-Ranger:
What Proulx meant by "he would have none of it" was that Ennis went "full throttle" not halfway whenever he did something, so when Jack provided the opportunity to "sin" he would not go only halfway with his hand but instead put all of himself into it.
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