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newcomer from HBO with some questions!
kallyn:
Wow you guys, thanks for the warm welcome!! :D Coffee'd be real nice. :)
--- Quote from: twistedude on November 27, 2006, 07:35:33 pm ---...in northern California about 1953--when two people were out on a date, and one saw a one-light car, he/she/he would try to say "Pedille!" before the other, and was supposed to be rewarded with a kiss.
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That is so funny! My sister and her friends yell out "pediddle" when they see a broken headlight (almost the same word, but not quite), and then everyone is supposed to hit the roof of the car with their hand. Bizarre that the tradition lived on in so convoluted a way, eh? (for reference, I am 23 and my sister is 19)
I am surprised that Ennis's broken headlight is news to so many. I'll go post over on the electricy thread like front-ranger suggested to see what all those fine folk come up with.
I just cannot get these two cowboys out of my head. I didn't go through grief though - I think on the first watching, I didn't really believe that Jack was dead. I mean, movies don't work like that, you know? Main characters don't just die quietly offscreen. And then on the second watching I knew what to expect and I just had a sick resignedness about it. Now I feel more of a nauseous kind of bone-deep sadness. I'm glad I haven't cried, or I'd have to start trying to explain myself to people. I'll probably check out the short story, but I want to movie to finish digesting first...
Brown Eyes:
Heya Kallyn! We're glad to have you here! Quite impressive observations indeed for only having seen the film a few times.
Yup, thinking about BBM all the time and the "bone-deep sadness" are both some of the first symptoms of Brokeback Fever.
I forgot to weigh in on the "I'm sorry" issue before... I'm in the camp of people who definitely hear "I'm sorry" coming from Ennis. I swear (no pun intended) that I heard it all 5 times in the theatre. It never even crossed my mind to question it until I started reading some of the online debates. But, I can understand why some people don't think it's there.
Daniel:
I noticed the missing right headlight about my 16th time in the theater... Anyone who has been around long enough to know me will know that I have a tendency to read too much into something, but now that another person has found it, I feel like I can share my views on this scene. Actually, I'll just throw out some points of consideration, and let you come to your own conclusions... I really do not like telling other people what to think.
Zechariah 11:17
"Woe to the worthless shepherd who leaves the flock! A sword will be on his arm and on his right eye! His arm will be totally withered. And his right eye will be blind!"
I also seem to remember that when Ennis got out of the truck he was cradling one of his arms... When he punched the other man he used the same hand repeatedly but I don't recall seeing the other arm or hand.
Matthew 5:29
"If your right eye makes you stumble, tear it out and throw it from you; for it is better for you to lose one of the parts of your body, than for your whole body to be thrown into hell."
The right eye is controlled by the left side of the brain, which has typically been viewed as controlling connectivity, rationality, language and discipline while the right side of the brain has more emotional, less analytical processes. The absence of the right light or left-mindedness may be a part of the visual cues given to indicate that Ennis is in a blind rage.
Other possible correlations:
blindness of the right (conservative political/religious/social views as in right wing).
the conflict/antithesis of light and dark (eros and thanatos).
Lynne:
Daniel - Those are just fabulous obseravations! You are the master! I hadn't even considered the Biblical references, but they're plain as day, aren't they?
--- Quote from: atz75 on November 28, 2006, 01:39:53 am ---I forgot to weigh in on the "I'm sorry" issue before... I'm in the camp of people who definitely hear "I'm sorry" coming from Ennis. I swear (no pun intended) that I heard it all 5 times in the theatre. It never even crossed my mind to question it until I started reading some of the online debates. But, I can understand why some people don't think it's there.
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I'm in the camp of people who hear "I'm sorry" from Ennis and Two "S'allright's" from Jack. I know Ennis' lips do not move :). I hear it anyway. I think Ennis is apologizing for his abrupt departure on the 'morning after' and his earlier rejection of Jack.
kallyn:
--- Quote from: Lynne on November 28, 2006, 03:28:26 am ---I'm in the camp of people who hear "I'm sorry" from Ennis and Two "S'allright's" from Jack. I know Ennis' lips do not move :). I hear it anyway. I think Ennis is apologizing for his abrupt departure on the 'morning after' and his earlier rejection of Jack.
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--- Quote from: atz75 on November 28, 2006, 01:39:53 am ---I forgot to weigh in on the "I'm sorry" issue before... I'm in the camp of people who definitely hear "I'm sorry" coming from Ennis. I swear (no pun intended) that I heard it all 5 times in the theatre. It never even crossed my mind to question it until I started reading some of the online debates. But, I can understand why some people don't think it's there.
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My initial impression before I ever came to these boards was that Ennis was saying "I'm sorry" and then Jack said "s'alright." I also thought that Ennis's "I'm sorry" encompassed a lot of (sometimes contradictory) things - he was sorry that he was coming on to Jack because guys aren't supposed to do that, he was sorry for being skittish and inexperienced, he was sorry for ignoring Jack earlier. I also think it was a way to gauge Jack's feelings by seeing what his reaction to the "sorry" was.
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