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Jeff Wrangler:

--- Quote from: Scott6373 on January 22, 2007, 09:00:46 am ---On the original question:  I've said this all along, and occasionally it needs repeating.  Objectively viewed, this film is a period piece.  We cannot inflict out modern day sensibilities on the actions of these two (or any other) characters. It's quite easy for us to sit here and say "why didn't he?", or "why didn't they?", but the fact remains that there behavior and consequent actions were in perfect agreement with the social and political times.

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A very salutary reminder, Scott. And to your point about "the social and political times," I would only add the real estate mantra: Location, location, location. Even at the time the story begins, or when Ennis and Jack reunite after four years, Wyoming, or, really, virtually any small town or rural locale in America, was not New York's Greenwich Village, or San Francisco.

Katie77:
You have to remember too, that when Jack and Ennis parted, Ennis was about to get married to Alma, so Jack had to be careful that he was not going to intrude on what may have been a comfortable life for Ennis......after four years, he could just visit him like "an old fishin' buddy" with no strings attached....

Even getting the reply postcard with "you bet", I still doubt, that Jack would have thought Ennis would attack him like he did, with that kiss.....I think he was telling it how it really was, when he said in the motel that he didnt think they would get into "it" again, although he was hoping like hell it might.

When you see the look on Jacks face, when Ennis holds him and kisses him, he is surprised, but then returns the same kind of kiss, but I doubt whether he would have intiitiated it, if Ennis hadn't.

Jeff Wrangler:
I'm inclined to agree with you, Katie.

I think, when Jack sent his postcard, he was probably already planning one of his periodic trips to see his folks up in Lightning Flat, and when he succeeded in contacting Ennis, he built a detour to Riverton into his itinerary, so to speak.

I also think there are complex things going on inside of Jack here. I do NOT think he had a deliberate plan to "seduce" Ennis. I think his "Swear to God ... yeah, I did," comment indicates that he had been trying to suppress and deny to himself that he wanted to reconnect with Ennis--or how much he wanted to reconnect with Ennis--and he had tried to force himself not to look for anything more than buying an old buddy a beer. So I agree that I don't think Jack would have slammed Ennis up against the wall if Ennis hadn't made the first move. But in the motel he has to admit both to Ennis and to himself that he really wanted very badly to hook up with Ennis again. It's a great moment of self-honesty for Jack.

I agree that he was happily surprised when Ennis slammed him up against that wall and kissed him. I'd say that in that scene, Jake/Jack even looks a little shocked to discover that Ennis wants it as badly as he does.

Katie77:

--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2007, 12:30:20 pm ---
I agree that he was happily surprised when Ennis slammed him up against that wall and kissed him. I'd say that in that scene, Jake/Jack even looks a little shocked to discover that Ennis wants it as badly as he does.

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"happily surprised" is an understatement.....I think for the first time, Jack saw Ennis as wanting and needing as much as he did.....and he loved it.....

nakymaton:

--- Quote from: Jeff Wrangler on January 22, 2007, 12:30:20 pm ---I agree that he was happily surprised when Ennis slammed him up against that wall and kissed him. I'd say that in that scene, Jake/Jack even looks a little shocked to discover that Ennis wants it as badly as he does.

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"Happily surprised" is a pretty mild way to put it. I'd say... ecstatic, elated, blown away... I'm not sure the words exist to convey that feeling. Which may be why there are metaphors.

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