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Would Jack have quit Ennis?
Artiste:
Randall and Jack for 4 or 5 years, really ??
Brown Eyes:
We had a long discussion that involved the consideration of the possibility of the 4 or 5 year length of the relationships that occur between Jack and Randall and Ennis and Cassie in this thread over in Open Forum. Starting around here:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,18655.msg356814.html#msg356814
Brown Eyes:
Tonight I popped my BBM DVD in and watched the scenes where Ennis meets Cassie and where Jack meets Randall (I didn't watch the whole movie tonight, just these two scene). I did this mainly because I wanted to look at the banner in the Childress dinner-dance scene to get the date accurate for these discussions.
The scene with Ennis and Cassie comes directly before the scene where Jack meets Randall, suggesting that the two events happen either somewhat simultaneously, or Ennis meets Cassie slightly earlier than Jack meets Randall. And, the banner at the dance says 1978. The camera actually zooms in on the banner in the moment between Jack asking LaShawn to dance and the shot where we actually see them on the dance floor.
So, if Jack dies in 1983, that definitely means that the relationships with both Cassie and Randall lasted about 4 or 5 years.
brokeplex:
Jack had given up on Ennis. The 1983 campfire scene was their farewell as far as Jack was concerned. That to me is the explanation of his memory of the "dozy embrace" and his looks during that memories aftermath, Jack was remembering those wonderful days on the mountain in their youth, and how it was all gone, all irretrievable.
Jack was going to try to bring Randall north to the Twist ranch, otherwise he wouldn't have told OMT about his plans.
Ennis after his conversation with OMT finally fully realizes 3 things:
1) Jack really loved him
2) He really loved Jack
3) Jack was planning to leave him
this is why the Twist ranch closet scene is so deeply emotional, all of the regrets, the shame, the loss, the loneliness of their lives cascade down on Ennis at the same time. That is why I continue to feel in that moment Ennis had a transformational epiphany, he finally connected with his true nature. Too late for Jack, and that is to me the heart of the tragedy of the Brokeback story.
Artiste:
May I think that you are right brokeplex, by your post !
But not many persons care about that !
At least you and I, and maybe others too care !!
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