Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond > Brokeback Mountain Open Forum
"If your can't fix it, Jack...You gotta stand it."
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: fernly on December 15, 2006, 10:32:50 am ---The trailer's what led me to the story and then to the film. Couldn't begin to say how many times I watched the trailer while waiting for the film's release. Never caught the change in that line, though.
Here's a link:
http://www.focusfeatures.com/viewer.php?f=brokeback_mountain&c=trailer&ext=wmv&w=480&&h=270
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OMG, that's as beautiful as the film itself. ... :'(
Funny thing, though. You could take the clips in the order they are presented in that trailer and concoct yourself an entirely different story or plot. :-\ (Of course, they didn't want to give away the movie in the trailer.)
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on December 15, 2006, 03:24:03 pm ---And much as I prefer to hear it the other way, I can't entirely blot that possibility out of my mind. Jeff, is that the way you used to interpret the scene before you changed your views?
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Tell you what, Katherine, until for some reason that I cannot explain this scene hit me like a ton of bricks back in August, to the best of my recollection my focus on this scene was limited to the similarities and differences between the story's motel scene and the film's motel-and-camping scene.
As a matter of fact, I might as well say it, at the risk of upsetting a lot of people, but getting slammed by this scene back in August has pretty much changed my entire emotional response to the film. I won't say I see it as less tragic, because that wouldn't be correct, but I now do see it as less--I don't know--operatic (?)--in the intensity of its emotions. And hand in hand with that, Film Ennis now looks more like Story Ennis to me than he did six months ago. I can't explain it, I just know this to be how I'm feeling.
And then again, I am hoping this Sunday evening to make the time to watch the DVD again. By calendar date, Sunday is one day shy of the first time I saw the film in the theater. And who knows but that something else will hit me like that proverbial ton of bricks and my understanding will change again. :-\
In any case, as far as what is meant by the "ain't no reins on this one" comment, if I'm understanding them correctly, I agree with Mel and Mikaela. I think Ennis is talking about his (their?) emotions, rather than about society's rules. I think the intensity of the feeling that caused him to slam Jack up against a wall and kiss him outdoors in broad daylight scares the piss out of him (to use an Ennisism ;D ).
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Mikaela on December 15, 2006, 04:52:14 pm ---that clique&wank&drama stage
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:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Brown Eyes:
Jeff, your discussion about changing emotional response to the film over all these months is really interesting. I think as we go along and these discussions continue to evolve, we'll all begin to notice really big shifts in emotional response. I sort of miss the early days... I mean in terms of my own emotional response. I feel like I may have come to a point where I've analyzed and discussed the film so much that it's hard to access the truly raw emotional response I had in the early days. I've deliberately forced myself not to watch the film for quite a while and I also haven't re-read the story for quite a long time to try to counter-act some of this (I know that someday soon this little BBM fast will come to an end... I'm feeling very itchy to watch the movie again... maybe tomorrow night ;) ). Sadly, this has caused some of my facts-at-fingertips type response to also slip when thinking about some of the analytical topics around here. Anyway... I love the film /story exactly as much as I always have, but in very different terms now (I think this is inevitable now that BBM is forever linked in my life experience to BetterMost, etc.). This is off-topic, I know, but it seems important to bring up a bit here. I know we've all discussed this scene (probably quite a lot) in other threads... again, it's just interesting to guage where we all are in our response to it after so much close discussion.
Anyway, back on topic a bit... I wonder how much of an understanding of this scene has to do with interpreting/translating Ennis-ese into more comprehensible terms and how much has to do with deeply personal responses to the scene by each individual viewer (and a bit to do with what we want Ennis to be saying here). A key, and yes endlessly ambiguous question here, is how much of this is comprehensible to Jack as he's listening (or how do we guage his interpretation of Ennis's oblique statements here)?
nakymaton:
--- Quote from: atz75 on December 15, 2006, 11:03:48 pm ---A key, and yes endlessly ambiguous question here, is how much of this is comprehensible to Jack as he's listening (or how do we guage his interpretation of Ennis's oblique statements here)?
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That little cheek-stroke is really very tender and intimate. At that moment, at least, Jack seems to sympathize.
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