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Jake In Drag??
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: injest on January 17, 2007, 01:30:50 am ---ok I would like to make a distiction between "Will & Grace" and "Queer Eye"...
Carson is just being Carson...that is who he is...he may exagerate for effect BUT he is a gay man and the show is not a comedy show....
Jack is a made up character...
If a person is effeminate and behaves a certain way, it is NONE of our business to criticize him....if a corporation tries to make money by doing a cheap caricature of the real person THEN I object...
does that make any sense??
and I appreciate people making the point about the wheelchair skit....they were mocking the stereotypers not the minority...
I felt the opening mocked the minority...
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Jess, in many ways I am a "Carson"; in other words "effeminate". But I WOULD NEVER do some of the things I have seen him do; not on national television. It's perfectly fine to act "openly gay", it's also fine to flame a little. But when he does things like run his hand up and down the crotch of a straight man, he is simply crossing the line. There is no excuse for behavior like that. What kind of a message does this send to others? Many gay people have been trying to fight this "obsession with sex" stereotype for decades. Carson just comes along and validates it. It's just more ammo for the homophobes.
Flashframe777:
" it's also fine to flame a little."
That's what I keep telling Vin Diesel. ;)
welliwont:
ok, here is a link to Jake's Opening monologue and singing on SNL, now this one may actually stay up at YouTube, I hope!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pmG2gBAcN-8
injest:
--- Quote from: David925 on January 17, 2007, 01:47:42 am ---Jess, in many ways I am a "Carson"; in other words "effeminate". But I WOULD NEVER do some of the things I have seen him do; not on national television. It's perfectly fine to act "openly gay", it's also fine to flame a little. But when he does things like run his hand up and down the crotch of a straight man, he is simply crossing the line. There is no excuse for behavior like that. What kind of a message does this send to others? Many gay people have been trying to fight this "obsession with sex" stereotype for decades. Carson just comes along and validates it. It's just more ammo for the homophobes.
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OOPS see that is what happens when you rattle on without knowing what you are talking about!! :laugh: :laugh:
I have only ever seen Carson on the morning and late night talk shows...guess they musta cleaned up the little snippets they showed...never saw the show...yeah, that is obnoxious... :P
sorry!!
David In Indy:
That's what I loved about Brokeback Mountain, Jess. There were no cheap gay stereotypes in the movie (and I must admit I was very afraid there would be the first time I saw the movie). The movie was about two men in love. Period. And it made us think too. Hell, we're sitting here over a year later still discussing and analyzing it. I wish they would create a sitcom like Brokeback Mountain. A sitcom (or some kind of weekly program) about a group of gay men without all the cheap shots. Do you think it will EVER happen?
I can't figure out what NBC was thinking when they created Will & Grace. The money was talking to them, obviously. They certainly weren't looking out for the interests of gay people in this country.
[[[[[Jess]]]]]] :)
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