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Jake In Drag??
Arad-3:
I agree with this ! I just hate Will and Grace! If there is any show out there that actually makes fun of gays or encourages audience to stereotype gays, that would be it. Their portrayals of the the gay mans lifestyles should send gay men through the roof!
It's like when Ellen first came out on her show. I was happy for her. thought she was courageous to do that, but then caved in to the producers for the laughs and ratings and did more harm than good back then! The show had worst actors and actresses playing the goofiest gay people you could imagine. Ruined it for me. (the show I mean) Not Ellens fault! . I cringed at what she had to endure to keep her show going! It might of took a few years but Ellen came back with flying colors! Thank the Lord! She is my favorite.
Just my opinion. Like A**h***s ... everyone has one!
coffeecat33:
I listened to Jennifer Holliday's "You're Going to Love Me" today. She has an incredible voice and Jake did an incredible parody of that song. I hope someday he makes a movie with him singing. :D
David In Indy:
--- Quote from: coffeecat33 on January 14, 2007, 10:10:50 pm ---I listened to Jennifer Holliday's "You're Going to Love Me" today. She has an incredible voice and Jake did an incredible parody of that song. I hope someday he makes a movie with him singing. :D
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Can you believe I STILL have my original Dreamgirls LP I bought in 1981? (I think it was 1981). Jennifer Holliday is awesome in it! She will always be the original (and best) for that song.
But Jennifer Hudson does a really good job too. Both of them are hot! And yeah, Jake did a really good job last night. I loved it! :)
Andrew:
(quote from David)
But then, where was all the outrage with "Will & Grace"? That show regurgitated decades old gay stereotypes every single week. Will and Jack? Give me a break. Jack the flaming queen and Will the preppy compulsive "neat freak". I guarantee you Will & Grace was a show that offended many gay Americans; myself included.
What about "Queer Eye for the Straight Guy"? Another offensive show to many gay people. Carson Kressley? That man flames like a welding torch. He IS the typical gay stereotype. Where's the anger?
Ever since I was little, I have always sat in the chair nearest the door whenever I watched television.
When I was five, it was the scary parts - my family could say whatever they liked about all pretend, it was too too real for me. I had to know I could escape if I had to. And now it's the cringe-inducing parts. I watch very little television. And the less you watch television, the less acclimatised to all that tripe you are, so you are even more sensitive to the things that cause cringing. There are a lot of programs I have been curious about but have only been able to take random samples of. Whenever I could stomach wandering back into the room. And I judged these programs harshly on deliberately spotty evidence.
Far too much humor on TV is written by people who make us think they have a boring nine-to-five job writing humor.
And a lot of people turn on certain shows and laugh on cue because they just planned to have that release at that set time and damn it, insipid writing isn't going to spoil their plans.
The very best humor is a sudden totally fresh flash revelation of what it is to be a person in the world. There is definitely a certain social convention involved, a mental setup for being amused because you expect that of a certain show or author or funny friend. But you are not disappointed if they are good, they come through with something you would never have anticipated. The customary support of the normal beliefs you normally sit on is knocked away and you are there shaking helplessly on the floor instead. (And I do literally slip off the couch or bed sometimes and do that).
I agree with others that small-scale unoriginal unfunny humor making fun of groups of people does huge harm in the world. That was a memorable phrase Hannah Arendt came up with, the 'banality of evil.'
Sometimes I deliberately expose myself to a show I know is supposed to be perpetuating stereotypes, just to see if I have been stereotyping it! I watched Queer Eye once, early on in the first season. Although Carson Kressley was trying hard to succeed and be accepted by being stereotypical, the others were just rather intent on their tasks, to set up a special evening in which their subject, John, would propose to his girlfriend. John was a handsome goodnatured young man who responded rather gracefully when Kressley made a stupid, totally fake pass at him. As the culmination, a elaborate pavillion for two lavishly strewn with rose petals was raised in the courtyard. And then the last thing I expected happened. In spite of all the distractions and frivolities of the filming, this was clearly a very important day to John. And when he was suddenly allowed to see the magical pavillion, he suddenly got a catch in his voice. The hokeyness and commercialism of the show suddenly disappeared for a few seconds and you felt his intense gratitude for these five generous strangers who were doing their utmost to make his marriage proposal memorable for himself and his future wife, these men who expressed with their extravagant designs the hugeness of what he felt for her but could not have found a symbol for by himself.
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: dot-matrix on January 14, 2007, 02:48:34 pm ---I remember reading an acceptance speech made recently by Heath in his native Australia for still yet another BBM recognition award. He stated "this film doesn't want to go away" and in essence, told the audience the best thing to come out of this film is his family.
If I were to have a chance meeting with either two I don't believe I would bring up the subject of BBM. I imagine they are plumb well full of hearing about it. In a couple of years Heath will be rolling his eyeballs over everyone doing Joker imitations... this too shall pass.
as Clarissa shared from her meeting with Lynne and Truman, Lynne's very wise observation: " We do alot better if we remember that Heath and Jake are NOT Ennis and Jack" (apologies to Lynne if the wording is off)
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I'm going to agree with this POV. When it comes right down to it, BBM was a job for Heath and Jake. No more, no less.
They learned a great deal from doing it and I'm glad for them.
But they are actors, not activists and they are moving on with their careers and personal lives and perhaps it's we fans who don't want to let them, holding them to our own standards and not their own.
I would like to let them and not make them a William Shatner and eventually make them regret taking the roles in the first place.
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