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Questions, hope not stoopid.....
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on January 19, 2007, 04:49:00 pm ---Okay, tell you what, think about it a little for the next day or so, and tell me if you still think I'm overanalyzing this one. Put yourself in her place, and feel what it might be like. I mean if you want to. If you don't want to, okay. :)
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I apologize. I shouldn't have criticized your analysis, merely said that I disagreed with it and why.
Perhaps with the passage of time LaShawn might have turned into another Lureen, but at the time we meet her and Randall, I think she's pretty much the way I described her.
Perhaps, at least partly, anyway, I may think this because I've taken LaShawn's prattling about Randall being an animal husbandry major, and meeting him at an Aggie game, and never imagining she'd end up in a poky little place like Childress to indicate that Randall is a fairly recent college graduate, and that she and Randall have not been married very long, not as long as Jack and Lureen, and they may even be considerably younger than Jack and Lureen. But maybe there is no real basis for me to think this. On the other hand, though, do we have anything more to go on than that Randall and LaShawn appear to be close in age to Jack and Lureen?
Cameron:
Hi,
I definitely agree, I think that everyone is to be pitied, except maybe Monroe.
I also think that even LaShawn could be pitied.
I do agree to that at least in the film, despite his creepiness, that Father Twist is somewhat sympathetic.
I do understand in the story he is different, but from the film I think that the only thing that he is upset about with Ennis is that Ennis and Jack never did come to the ranch and 'whip it into shape', and instead he is alone with Mrs. Twist in the crumbling ranch.
In fact, Mr. Twist reaction to me brings another layer of tragedy and sadness to Ennis. I think that Ennis never knew before that Jack talked about to his parents, and I think that another reason the trip to Lightning Flats is so devastating to Ennis is that he realized that 'the sweet life' really could have been possible, but he never knew it before. He didn't know that they could have move together there.
But then Ennis saw that Mrs. Twist obviously would have accepted him, and that Mr. Twist would only have been happy to have all that help with the ranch, to me it also seemed that Mr. Twist wouldn't really have cared that Jack was with a man.
That is why LF is so tragic, because not only does Ennis realize all the love between him and Jack since on the mountain, but also that the sweet life really was possible.
My only question is why didn't Jack ever invite Ennis up there for just a weekend in all those years, so that Ennis could have seen it all might have been possible...
Ellemeno:
--- Quote from: marlb42 on January 19, 2007, 06:14:52 pm ---
My only question is why didn't Jack ever invite Ennis up there for just a weekend in all those years, so that Ennis could have seen it all might have been possible...
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Yup, that's been one of my queries/gripes about Jack too. Why keep telling his father about Ennis, but then neglect to mention to Ennis that he already actually HAS a place where they could have their little cow and calf operation. I don't get you, Jack Twist.
Cameron:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on January 19, 2007, 07:39:21 pm ---Yup, that's been one of my queries/gripes about Jack too. Why keep telling his father about Ennis, but then neglect to mention to Ennis that he already actually HAS a place where they could have their little cow and calf operation. I don't get you, Jack Twist.
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Me neither.
Jeff Wrangler:
--- Quote from: Ellemeno on January 19, 2007, 07:39:21 pm ---Yup, that's been one of my queries/gripes about Jack too. Why keep telling his father about Ennis, but then neglect to mention to Ennis that he already actually HAS a place where they could have their little cow and calf operation. I don't get you, Jack Twist.
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That's logical and sensible. Yet I think on Jack, at age 19, telling Ennis he couldn't wait to get his own spread--not, I think, his old man's spread--so that he wouldn't have to put up with Joe Aguirre's crap no more.
I can't imagine why Jack would talk to his father for years on years about bringing Ennis up to Lightning Flat, because I don't think he was really serious about it. I can't help but think that even if Ennis and Jack had gone up to Lightning Flat to lick the Twist ranch into shape, nothing they did would have been right to the old man--couldn't please that old man no how.
Funny thing, though. I take some comfort in believing Jack was just talking to his father and wasn't really serious--because I don't think he was any more serious when, shortly before he died, he talked about bringing his ranch neighbor from Texas up to Lightning Flat.
In both cases I think Jack was just thinkin' out loud.
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