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Am I Nuts???
DeeDee:
You can't really see Jacks arm because it looks like there is a comforter over them. What I did notice, is the slight twitch of Ennis' mouth.. To me, that represents a restless sleep.
Maybe I'm reaching, but I'm always looking for new things.
Sheyne:
--- Quote from: newyearsday on April 15, 2006, 09:15:03 pm ---My take on this is similar to Mandy I's, (littleguitar), with a little of Katherine's (latjoreme) too. I feel sad when I see that this is all they get for their last night. It's realistic I think (though I know that in the book they are having sex by the campfire and they don't show it in the movie, sadly.) I am glad to see it's Ennis, at last, with his arm around Jack, but there is not peace to me in this scene. And I really differ from some of you in that I think Ennis is frowning, very clearly. So, it's a mixed bag for me. I would love to know about the Jack thing, his arm that is. I still haven't caught that hand holding in the first tent scene!
Jenny
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I agree Jenny.. Ennis IS frowning - you can see at least 2, perhaps 3 lines on his forehead. And there is a subtle tension here, I can't put my finger on it. I wish they had shown that last scene by the campfire myself ;D but it would play against the "never enough time, never enough" contention of Jack's the following morning.
Have you checked out the You Tube video yet, Jenny? The hand-holding is quite clear on that one - refer back to the "saw the hand holdin" thread for more info and explanations of what to look for and where.
Cheers,
S.
isabelle:
--- Quote from: newyearsday on April 15, 2006, 09:15:03 pm ---And I really differ from some of you in that I think Ennis is frowning, very clearly. So, it's a mixed bag for me. I would love to know about the Jack thing, his arm that is. I still haven't caught that hand holding in the first tent scene!
Jenny
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Hi Jenny,
In fact I think I was misunderstood, because what I meant was that Ennis IS frowning, and I hadn't noticed before! And I find this passage sad too.
serious crayons:
Well, I just watched that scene pretty much frame-by-frame on YouTube (I don't own a DVD), and I can't see anything in that little moment itself that suggests unhappiness or discontent. I suppose you could point to the fact that they're wearing clothes, but we know that it's cold. They look content to me. And Ennis' arm over Jack seems completely affectionate. I think my sadness regarding the scene is caused by what I know comes immediately before and after it.
Ellemeno:
Thank you for this good thread, friends.
I tend to feel angry/irked with Ennis when he withholds from Jack his expression of love. So when Jack says, "Truth is sometimes I miss you so much I can hardly stand it," and Ennis says nothing at all back, I start getting pissed off at Ennis. And then when I see him holding Jack while Jack is asleep, I think "Why can't you show him that tenderness when he's awake?" And I hope that Jack can be aware of the holding, but worry that he's sleeping through it and missing it.
My annoyance with Ennis around his not responding to Jack's "Truth is..." speech was mitigated when I realized (through someone here pointing it out) that when Jack says those powerful words of yearning and pain, Ennis must feel piles and piles of guilt and dread, because he already knows that they won't be seeing each other til November, but still hasn't told Jack yet. So, as always, my annoyance with Ennis melts into "Poor Ennis," for his plight.
As to Jack's arm, it looks like maybe it could be as you propose, Sheyne. And who knows, we just see that they are wearing shirts. Who knows what their pants are doing. Maybe they fell asleep with Jack pulling Ennis close in.
P.S. That's my favorite shirt of Ennis's. He wears it in the truck scene with Alma Jr. too. It looks like it has feathers on it. Ooo! Must go to bird thread and post that observation.
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