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Camden Yards by debutante9 (Kumari)
mariez:
Hi ya Mel!
I love reading your posts! I totally understand what you're saying. :) As I said before, I found Ennis to be totally hot in that sex scene, but not because he was with Abbey (if that makes any sense). I didn't like the idea of Ennis being with her. Not at all. And, yeah, it is partly (well, ok, mostly) because I am, as you said, rooting for J&E to be together. But, you know what? (And I almost feel like I have to apologize for saying this because apparently many people just loved Abbey). I didn't think she was cool or smart or free or awesome or any of the other things that others found in her. I thought she was sad - and rather pathetic. She seemed to be so nonchalant, almost cavalier, about having a quickie with Ennis, as if she does this type of thing all the time with guys she picks up at work - and I think that's kind of pitiful. I keep coming back to this same paragraph that I quoted earlier:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
That's not cool or funny or quirky in a good way to me - it's sad. And I think Ennis has the situation figured out completely - and that's why he's a hell of a lot smarter than Abbey.
And, yeah, I'm worried about Jack's reaction too (and to be honest, I'm also for worried for Alma!). He was bothered when he found out from Jude that Ennis had taken Abbey's phone number - I don't know what he's going to think when he finds out the rest of the story.
Feel free to ramble away, Mel - I love discussing this with you! :)
Thanks,
Marie
P.S. Yes, fruition was the perfect word.
mvansand76:
--- Quote from: mariez on July 05, 2007, 05:09:09 pm ---Hi ya Mel!
I love reading your posts! I totally understand what you're saying. :) As I said before, I found Ennis to be totally hot in that sex scene, but not because he was with Abbey (if that makes any sense). I didn't like the idea of Ennis being with her. Not at all. And, yeah, it is partly (well, ok, mostly) because I am, as you said, rooting for J&E to be together. But, you know what? (And I almost feel like I have to apologize for saying this because apparently many people just loved Abbey). I didn't think she was cool or smart or free or awesome or any of the other things that others found in her. I thought she was sad - and rather pathetic. She seemed to be so nonchalant, almost cavalier, about having a quickie with Ennis, as if she does this type of thing all the time with guys she picks up at work - and I think that's kind of pitiful. I keep coming back to this same paragraph that I quoted earlier:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
That's not cool or funny or quirky in a good way to me - it's sad. And I think Ennis has the situation figured out completely - and that's why he's a hell of a lot smarter than Abbey.
And, yeah, I'm worried about Jack's reaction too (and to be honest, I'm also for worried for Alma!). He was bothered when he found out from Jude that Ennis had taken Abbey's phone number - I don't know what he's going to think when he finds out the rest of the story.
Feel free to ramble away, Mel - I love discussing this with you! :)
Thanks,
Marie
P.S. Yes, fruition was the perfect word.
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I love how you put that and yes, that is a very telling paragraph, and worthy of quoting twice!
Also, I understand what you are saying about Ennis in that scene, it shows that he is starting to get in touch with his sexuality again and this can only be positive for Jack. LOL!
Oh Alma, yes, I never have that with OS Alma, but this Alma is just causing me to have so much more sympathy for her. I don't know why. I also felt sorry for her when Ennis made it all about himself when HER father died. At least, that's how I interpreted it, do you know what I mean?
And if I come to think of it now, I feel sorry for Abbey too, and hope she doesn't fall in love with Ennis, because she doesn't stand a chance with him. In a way Ennis used her, and even if she offered herself willingly, he should have known better and I think that paragraph you quoted shows that he understands that. He might have been intrigued by her for a little while, but it didn't last.
Love discussing this with you too! A story worth discussing because she puts so much thought into writing it.
:-*Mel
David In Indy:
*David pokes his head through the door and eavesdrops on Melissa and Marie*
mariez:
--- Quote from: Snavel del Snuit on July 05, 2007, 05:35:56 pm ---
...Also, I understand what you are saying about Ennis in that scene, it shows that he is starting to get in touch with his sexuality again and this can only be positive for Jack. LOL!
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Yep, you stated that better than I did (and let's hope about the "positive for Jack" part! ;D )
--- Quote from: Snavel del Snuit on July 05, 2007, 05:35:56 pm ---
Oh Alma, yes, I never have that with OS Alma, but this Alma is just causing me to have so much more sympathy for her. I don't know why. I also felt sorry for her when Ennis made it all about himself when HER father died. At least, that's how I interpreted it, do you know what I mean?
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Well, I'm one of those people who has always had sympathy for Alma, even in the OS - she really never did anything but marry a boy she loved. But I do find I'm worrying about her even more in this story. I think it's because she knows Jack in this story. To use Kumari's own description - they are family to each other. So she's not only being betrayed (and, yes, as much as I want J&E together -I can't deny that that's what they're doing) by her husband but by someone else that she loves....and trusts. Another reason why I find this whole story so intriguing and so original - how will all of this play out?
I was so deeply touched by Ennis's sincere devotion and love for Hank and how gentle and patient he was in caring for him, that I can't be upset with him for his reaction to Hank's death. It seemed to me that he thought of Hank as the father he lost, more than a father-in-law. I do know what you mean - Alma was grieving too, of course - but I didn't see Ennis as consciously making it all about him instead of Alma - it was more that he was so lost in his own grief. Ennis is always taking care of people in this story - always worrying about someone else and he never (until now) has thought much about himself or his feelings. I keep thinking back to the famous "missed game" chapter where Ennis cries to Jack about how he took it like a man when his parents died, then asking "Why can't I have nobody" - that just broke my heart.
God, I hope Abbey doesn't expect more from Ennis - he needs more guilt like a hole in the head! I don't think on a conscious level Ennis realized he was using Abbey until the moment he was reflecting about it. Ennis has been through an emotional earthquake in the last few chapters - his entire life and everything he always thought he knew about himself is upside down and inside out. And where can he go? What can he do? Because his most trusted friend and confidant is the very person causing the upheaval. To say that this is a complicated situation would be the understatement of the century!
Well, look how I've rambled now! LOL! You're so right - this is a story worth discussing because of all the thought put into it!
:-*
Marie
Ha Ha! I was just about to post and I spotted David poking his head through the door! :laugh: Come on in, David - are you reading this story, too?
belbbmfan:
God, Marie, I love it when you ramble! :)
You always have such insightful thoughts about what drives a person to do or say certain things. And you know Ennis and Jack so well.
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