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Least Favorite Character in BBM
Lynne:
It's nice to see this thread revitalized. :)
I PM'd Milli and got her permission to edit the poll so people can change their votes. I have long been aggravated that I voted for Old Man Twist only, instead of both him and Mr. Del Mar. I waffle on which one was the worst according to my mood.
I see Old Man Twist as clearly abusive and homophobic. Every time I hear the line, 'I know where Brokeback Mountain is...' I hear implied his hatred of all things Jack. I'm sure my opinion is colored also by the bathroom scene in the short story, but I could be wrong. :-\
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on June 13, 2008, 01:16:00 pm --- In the film, I think they show Ennis's Dad as headless, faceless and voiceless...
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I believe it was Mikaela who once wrote a fascinating post about how Mr. Del Mar's lack of specific identification (headless, voiceless) makes him a stand-in for society as a whole, with the incident representing figuratively what boys in that society learn growing up.
Another way to look at it is that, this incident being filtered through Ennis' memory, everything that's less important in the scene fades out. When he recalls it, maybe he's less likely to think about his dad's face than the feel of his dad's hand on the back of his neck and his own sense of horror. When Marge mentioned the lack of law enforcement, it even occurred to me that it's possible that in reality there were other people around but what remains in Ennis' memory is that stark image of the abandoned mutilated body.
--- Quote from: Marge_Innavera on June 13, 2008, 01:58:14 pm ---Part of the rationalization I read was that this was the equivalent of shooting a dangerous animal in the neighborhood -- i.e., the Ennis' good ole dad had the best of motives in trying to protect his family from a man whom he thought was a threat to them, especially to his sons.
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Well, that rationalization is quite a stretch, not only for the reason you mentioned (neat killing vs. torture) but also because poor old Earl, living quietly with Rich and bothering no one, is hardly any threat to the community.
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: seriouscrayons on June 13, 2008, 03:55:56 pm ---I believe it was Mikaela who once wrote a fascinating post about how Mr. Del Mar's lack of specific identification (headless, voiceless) makes him a stand-in for society as a whole, with the incident representing figuratively what boys in that society learn growing up.
Another way to look at it is that, this incident being filtered through Ennis' memory, everything that's less important in the scene fades out. When he recalls it, maybe he's less likely to think about his dad's face than the feel of his dad's hand on the back of his neck and his own sense of horror. When Marge mentioned the lack of law enforcement, it even occurred to me that it's possible that in reality there were other people around but what remains in Ennis' memory is that stark image of the abandoned mutilated body.
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It's interesting... in terms of the visuals in the film... that the Earl scene and the vision of Jack's death are the two bits of visual information that we get exclusively through access to Ennis's thought process (memory and imagination).
I do wonder a bit about how amplified Ennis's memory of the Earl scene might have become over the years... since it was such a monumental and horrific moment in his past. The setting of the Earl scene as we see it seems very extreme in terms of the ultimate in desolate and isolated terrain.
Artiste:
Merci atz !
You say: It's interesting... in terms of the visuals in the film... that the Earl scene and the vision of Jack's death are the two bits of visual information that we get exclusively through access to Ennis's thought process (memory and imagination).
I do wonder a bit about how amplified Ennis's memory of the Earl scene might have become over the years... since it was such a monumental and horrific moment in his past. The setting of the Earl scene as we see it seems very extreme in terms of the ultimate in desolate and isolated terrain.
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Atz and to others, why do most persons do NOT care about those scenes ??
That puzzles me...
au revoir,
hugs!
Marge_Innavera:
I don't think that most people don't care about them; they're obviously very important. But understandably, it's not likely they're anyone's favorite scenes, to be watched on home video over and over again.
As far as the setting is concerned, it isn't uncommon for murder victims to be found in remote locations far from the actual site of the murder. Earl could have been ambushed in his own barn.
Good point about Ennis' father being faceless in that scene.
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