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Least Favorite Character in BBM
bbm_stitchbuffyfan:
I don't think I *can* vote for this. I hate John Twist, I hate Jimbo, Aguirre is an inconsiderate prick, I hate Ennis' father because he ruined his poor son's life and for all we know he's a killer, and Cassie is head-and-shoulders above all of these assholes I've listed here but she is still kind of annoying.
--- Quote ---Cassie is probably my fifth favorite character. Maybe even fourth (shocking, I know -- who does this exclude?).
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Hmm... Alma?
opinionista:
--- Quote from: bbm_stitchbuffyfan on June 05, 2006, 12:16:12 pm ---I don't think I *can* vote for this. I hate John Twist, I hate Jimbo, Aguirre is an inconsiderate prick, I hate Ennis' father because he ruined his poor son's life and for all we know he's a killer, and Cassie is head-and-shoulders above all of these assholes I've listed here but she is still kind of annoying.
Hmm... Alma?
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Well, I don't hate Alma. I consider her a victim of her own ignorance and upbringing. As for Jack's dad, I don't think he was as bad as Ennis father was. You can see it in the person Jack becomes. He was hard on him, but he must have done something right, along with Mrs. Twist of course, because Jack turned out to be a valiant man who, unlike Ennis, would rather have 5 minutes of wonderful than a whole life of misery and nothing special. Jack was also kind and loving. His flaw, however, was stubborness. He waited way too long for Ennis to come around, then died without really enjoying the life he wanted. Ennis' dad made him a coward, a person with a lack of personal awareness and too afraid to embrace the opportunities life gave him.
Brown Eyes:
Oh, I totally voted for Ennis's Dad. Hands down. For a son to believe his father capable of murdering/ torturing a man to death due to bigotry... wow, that has to be one horrible human being. Even if he didn't actually murder Earl, forcing Ennis and K.E. to view that body was a horrible form of child abuse I think. And, maybe worst of all... even long after the father's death, Ennis's trauma due to his Dad's actions caused him to be too afraid of the world at large to even try living with Jack (i.e. to try pursuing a happy life for himself). In every way you look at it, he was a horrible parent.
ps. why do we think K.E. and the story behind why Ennis punched Jack was omitted from the movie?
serious crayons:
--- Quote from: atz75 on June 05, 2006, 06:21:56 pm ---ps. why do we think K.E. and the story behind why Ennis punched Jack was omitted from the movie?
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My opinion: Too complicated and distracting, and not necessary for the plot. His punch makes just as much sense, if not more, without that info.
By the way, your post, Amanda, made me think of something: how chilling it is that Ennis phrases it, "for all I know, he done the job." Not, "for all I know, he done that horrible crime," or even simply "for all I know, he done it." I realize this can partly be chalked up to Ennis' manner of speaking. But to call it "the job" is, at some level, to equate it with an expected or necessary task. Now, I'm not saying Ennis thinks of it that way. But how much did he recognize how horrible his father's attitude was? Clearly he was seriously disturbed by it, thought the experience traumatic, but the extent to which he condemns his father for it is ambiguous.
And I agree, having children view a lynched body is unequivocally child abuse. What is wrong with people?
Brown Eyes:
--- Quote from: latjoreme on June 06, 2006, 02:22:41 am ---By the way, your post, Amanda, made me think of something: how chilling it is that Ennis phrases it, "for all I know, he done the job." Not, "for all I know, he done that horrible crime," or even simply "for all I know, he done it." I realize this can partly be chalked up to Ennis' manner of speaking. But to call it "the job" is, at some level, to equate it with an expected or necessary task. Now, I'm not saying Ennis thinks of it that way. But how much did he recognize how horrible his father's attitude was? Clearly he was seriously disturbed by it, thought the experience traumatic, but the extent to which he condemns his father for it is ambiguous.
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Yes, it's certainly chilling, but I do think he condemns his father for it. I think it's made his own self-image and self-understanding incredibly difficult. And, it clearly has complicated Ennis's own attitude towards homosexuality and his own sexuality... but I truly don't see Ennis as a character who could excuse that kind of violence.
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