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What is your religion?
delalluvia:
--- Quote from: isabelle on April 24, 2006, 07:43:15 pm ---Thanks Del. It's the same story over and over again, isn't it? *SIGH*
And if the monks have the obligation to remain celibate (I wasn't 100% sure about that), ok, then that's me. Bye bye Buddhism. Not that I thought of becoming one for real real, really!
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Yeah, pathetic isn't it? I don't suggest you read St. Augustine's writings on women on a full stomach lest you lose it. And these guys are venerated! You always know when a religion was invented by men. ::)
littledarlin:
--- Quote from: isabelle on April 24, 2006, 07:43:15 pm ---And if the monks have the obligation to remain celibate (I wasn't 100% sure about that), ok, then that's me. Bye bye Buddhism.
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lol amen to that.
isn't it grand the way society always blames women? denying women equality because they might tempt men, just their very presence, not counting their actions. as if women can't be tempted? as if it is expected of men to not be able to control their urges? please.
again, there is no religion that will suit everyone. i think it's ok to believe certain aspects, but there is no right religion. we don't need a religion to respect eachother and the world around us, it's called being HUMAN.
isabelle:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 24, 2006, 07:54:12 pm ---
--- Quote from: isabelle on April 24, 2006, 07:43:15 pm ---
Yeah, pathetic isn't it? I don't suggest you read St. Augustine's writings on women on a full stomach lest you lose it.
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I HAVE, I HAVE!! Hor-ri-ble! Yes, invented by men indeed (sorry you guys who are not like them, talking to you Andrew :-*)
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delalluvia:
--- Quote ---isn't it grand the way society always blames women? denying women equality because they might tempt men, just their very presence, not counting their actions. as if women can't be tempted? as if it is expected of men to not be able to control their urges? please.
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Men's urge to control is very evident in religion. I don't know why that is. Power I suppose? That a religion is just a reflection of the patriarchal society and not anything divinely inspired?
One of ironic favorite stories - maybe it's an urban myth, dunno - was when Golda Meir was still a local politician. There had been a rash of muggings, people getting hurt and so the suggestion was made that there be a curfew for women. To protect them.
Golda jumped in with a not-so-fast. Hey, it wasn't women who were doing the mugging. If there was going to be a curfew, it should be for the men!
Well of course, the idea of a curfew then dropped like a lead balloon. What? Men restrict their movement in society? Unthinkable! ::)
isabelle:
--- Quote from: delalluvia on April 24, 2006, 08:27:17 pm ---Golda jumped in with a not-so-fast. Hey, it wasn't women who were doing the mugging. If there was going to be a curfew, it should be for the men!
Well of course, the idea of a curfew then dropped like a lead balloon. What? Men restrict their movement in society? Unthinkable! ::)
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I love this story! I am a teacher, and only last week, I had an interesting discussion with some pupils (16-17 year-olds), girls, trying to explain that it was frightening for me to hear them say: 'well yeah, if a girl gets raped and she was walking on her own at night and wearing provocative-looking clothes, then she should have known better'! For once, I managed to remain calm, and tried to lmake them understand that they were ultimately justifying imposing the headscarf and burqa on women. Which shocked them. But in the end it began to dawn on them.
I can't believe that 20-30 years later, we still have this kind of opinion, from GIRLS! But then, at least in France, I think the way women are considered in society is going backwards, not forward. And I am also sorry to say that it is due to the growing presence of Islam here, coupled with a surge of the hard nut Catholics who want to show they are there too and won't leave all the space to the Muslims!
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