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RouxB:
David and FrontRanger-I actually think you are saying basically the same thing-Cassie is not the answer-never was. Ennis, as Ennis does, falls into "tradition" relationships-he does not seek them out. And I agree that Ennis had reached his breaking point-the old "if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it" and he said he couldn't stand it anymore. So, maybe it was time to fix it.

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Front-Ranger:
Yes you're right, Red. Thanks for finding the common thought. Agree, David w Roux's POV?

starboardlight:

--- Quote from: RouxB on April 22, 2006, 12:22:19 pm ---David and FrontRanger-I actually think you are saying basically the same thing-Cassie is not the answer-never was. Ennis, as Ennis does, falls into "tradition" relationships-he does not seek them out. And I agree that Ennis had reached his breaking point-the old "if you can't fix it, you've got to stand it" and he said he couldn't stand it anymore. So, maybe it was time to fix it.

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I wonder too if Ennis makes the connection of Cassie with Jack's "short leash". I remember some time back, we talked about the camp fire conversation. "I'm put the block to a waitress in Riverton". I remember some were saying that Jack might have felt like hurt by that, and that's why he started to tell about Randall as his getting back at Ennis, but changing it to the rancher's wife to instead. Cassie may not have been any real threat to Jack, but it certainly still would hurt to think about Ennis being with someone else. So while Ennis himself doesn't see having a relationship with a man and relationship with a woman as being the same, I wonder if he realize that it was still being unfaithful and unfair to Jack.

RouxB:
Yeah, Starbabie, I think that Jack was sensitive to any relationship Ennis would be in.  That whole conversation about Ennis not finding anyone to marry yet was indicative of Jack's resentment. Jack flies to Ennis when he finds out about the divorce thinking that all the obstacles to them being together were out of the way only to leave empty handed and heart broken. So, with Ennis never getting married again, or having any kind of real relationship, Jack just feels like WTF-there was no reason for us not to be together. I think Jack had a hard time really understanding why Ennis would not be with him.

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: RouxB on April 22, 2006, 03:39:29 pm ---Yeah, Starbabie, I think that Jack was sensitive to any relationship Ennis would be in.  That whole conversation about Ennis not finding anyone to marry yet was indicative of Jack's resentment. Jack flies to Ennis when he finds out about the divorce thinking that all the obstacles to them being together were out of the way only to leave empty handed and heart broken. So, with Ennis never getting married again, or having any kind of real relationship, Jack just feels like WTF-there was no reason for us not to be together. I think Jack had a hard time really understanding why Ennis would not be with him.

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I'm with youx, Roux. That's a good point about Jack probably resenting Ennis' involvement with Cassie. Ennis didn't pick up on it because a) he himself doesn't take his relationship with Cassie very seriously and b) he clearly could care less if Jack is having a fling with a woman. But the earlier scenes showing Jack doing things later echoed by Alma, like beating the clothes, suggest (and I think there's a thread about this somewhere) that there's some tension between Jack/Ennis and Alma/Ennis. And maybe Jack thought that Ennis' feelings toward these women were a real obstacle to the two men getting together (when, in fact, it was just Ennis' reluctance). So I suppose it wouldn't be surprising if Jack felt some resentment toward Cassie. Little did he know how passive and blase Ennis was toward her himself!

Both Ennis and Jack fell into relationships with women only because the women involved -- Cassie and Lureen -- were so willing to make the first move. And the second, and the third. We don't know about Alma, but maybe it was the same way with her. It's hard to imagine Ennis going after her very aggressively, even in the pre-Jack days.

As for Ennis breaking up with Cassie, it's interesting that when they first get together he's drinking alone in a bar, and when they break up he's eating pie alone in a coffee shop. Like he realizes that is just going to be his fate -- being by himself between meetings with Jack. I too would like to think he has decided to fix things, though.

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