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BBM Legacy: the 6 week mark…
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: iristarr on March 08, 2006, 03:57:17 am ---Well my goodness, Chris, and Nancy, and Phillip, I guess I stumbled into this forum tonight too, also having left it alone as a "respecting privacy" sort of thing, but here you are, Chris, reiterating in such an expressive and loving way so many of the feelings and thoughts I've had myself during this BBM experience....
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Thanks for writing Iris. I'm glad you stopped by, and thanks for your kind words.
But really, it's only the "Safe Haven" forum that's meant to be for gay (or think they might be) members.
The "Now What..." forum is for everyone, and I welcome and value your contributions and opinions.
*hugs* and best wishes, Chris.
Lynne:
Chris,
You're insight is truly beautiful and well-articulated. I've read your post over and over and you are so right-on-target. The sense of guilt was something I had not yet named in my own experience, but it's there and so obvious now that you've spoken about it. I've been preoccupied with judgement and have asked elsewhere if anyone else noticed the scales...There are scales in Alma & Monroe's kitchen and scales in the kitchen in the Twist house. I had thoughts of Alma judging Ennis' relationship with Jack and his performance as father, husband, and provider. This parallels the judgment transpiring in the Twist house, Jack being judged by his father and found lacking. Both Jack and Ennis being judged by Jack's mother and being loved and accepted for themselves - finding redemption, even. This ties in with a post from IMDB about the camera movement during the final lake scene, as if Jack is weighing his relationship with Ennis.
Thank you, thank you very much for sharing your thoughts and experience.
Lynne
BBMGrandma:
--- Quote from: Impish on March 05, 2006, 01:02:48 pm ---
--- Quote from: BBMGrandma on March 05, 2006, 07:03:10 am ---I suppose I shouldn't be posting here....but something drew me here this morning.
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Huh??? Why in the world would you think you shouldn't be posting here? Of course you should! :D
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Well.....looking back on that remark....I have NO idea why I said that!! ;) I think I was in some sort of 'floating place' after reading your beautiful post. But thanks for clarifying anyway Chris!!
Aussie Chris:
--- Quote from: Lynne on March 09, 2006, 03:18:05 am ---I've been preoccupied with judgement and have asked elsewhere if anyone else noticed the scales...There are scales in Alma & Monroe's kitchen and scales in the kitchen in the Twist house. I had thoughts of Alma judging Ennis' relationship with Jack and his performance as father, husband, and provider. This parallels the judgment transpiring in the Twist house, Jack being judged by his father and found lacking. Both Jack and Ennis being judged by Jack's mother and being loved and accepted for themselves - finding redemption, even. This ties in with a post from IMDB about the camera movement during the final lake scene, as if Jack is weighing his relationship with Ennis.
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Hi there Lynne, thanks for stopping by, your timing is impeccable (I needed a boost)!
I doubt the true extent of how much symbolism that exists in BBM will ever be completely known. Every aspect of this film (to me) seems both significant and relevant, where every frame in every scene has been carefully crafted to make a certain point or to have a certain effect. Without a doubt, every complete scene is critical and the omition of any one of them would dramatically alter the viewer's interpretation. But within each scene, this care of craft is equally present with set dressing and camera placements. Have you ever noticed that in the first tent scene (before the sex) we see Jack make room for Ennis by moving to the foreground? We then see a shot of the moon (so some time passes), then we’re back inside the tent and the camera is aimed low to the empty spot where Jack was lying a few moments earlier. What does it mean? Well we are being shown that (in those intervening moments) Jack has inched over and next to Ennis before he takes his hand and... Ok I'll stop there, but the reason I've gone to the trouble of documenting this is so I could remind you, or if you didn't notice it before to bring it to your attention, a 1-second camera move used to show that the sex (maybe) wasn't as spontaneous as you might have thought.
So if you ask me if saw the kitchen-scales and pieced the symbolism together like you did the answer is no, not really. But did I get the impression that there was judgement being represented in these scenes, most definitely. Neither did I interpret the camera move in the argument scene beyond the artistic merit of it all, at least not until I read this on IMDB myself and thought: Oh Yeah that makes sense. But I think it goes a little too far (as some have suggested) that the focus changes in that scene are meant to represent Jack "distancing himself from Ennis" - I just thought that they were keeping the focus on the character that was speaking at the time! ::)
Once again, thanks for taking the time to share your thoughts - I relish every one of them and look forward to reading more from you on BetterMost!
Cheers, Chris
juneaux:
Thanks, Chris, for your wonderful post. As others have stated, you analysis is spot on for me as well. I still don't completely understand the intense feelings I had after my first viewing of BBM but your explanations do provide some fantastic insight.
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