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Exactly WHEN does Jack decide.. th 1st tent scene..is gonna be th 1s tent scene?
twistedude:
I guess we're pretty much agreed that Jack has been cruising Ennis, since, maybe the first time he laid eyes on him. He takes one look at Ennis, and drapes his body beautifully over the side of the truck...but there is no reaction. Calls for a change in plans, or a plan, or a postponement of a plan--or what? Exactly when does Jack decide...to move?
1) ignorant talk about the Petecost leads to Ennis saying "You may be a sinner, but I ain't yet had the opportunity." Is it then?
2) Seems pretty matter-of-fact when he brings Ennis a blanket and says "You'd be better off sleeping in the tent."
3) Ditto, when he's lying alone in the tent with his eyes open, listening to Ennis's teeth chattering and his occasional exclamations. Almost "Can I get back to sleep...jeez, Ennis is freezing his butt off"
4) My choice: after Ennis is inside, and asleep (most likely), he moves a lot closer to him (after full moon shot, shot of white floor of tent--where Jack used to be lying.
The rest is history...or do you think it was all a master plan that started much earler? (Like, for instance, when Jack says they should both be in the camp? Or some other time?)
Hope I don't sound callous. It's pretty obvious: if you are someone with some (no matter how little) sexual experience, and you want someone who has--literally--NONE, you have to seduce him somehow...
Aussie Chris:
I like the question Julie, sort of flies in the face of all the "first tent scene was unrealistic" stuff.
I think I agree with you and your assessment. I think it's clear that this was on Jack's mind from word-go, the truck-draping, the stealing of a peak as Ennis washes, etc. But when we get into the tent there's that lovely little pan of the camera showing how close Jack had scootered over. But this is where is gets a little harder (no pun). Was there a master plan? Did Jack, for example, get Ennis particularly loaded that night so he couldn't go and tend the sheep? I think maybe. There doesn't seem to be any obvious indication that Ennis was receptive to such a move while sober, but fully loaded (again no pun) with liquor? Maybe if it didn't work out Jack could laugh it off as a drunken mistake? As it turns out, there was no mistake... ;D
twistedude:
I agree completely...Ennis thought of Jack as a--wonderful--friend--and that was IT. The liquor may well have been intentional--but then, Jack seems to have gotten pretty loaded himself! He (Jack) seems to have realized that Ennis, no matter how familiar he was with the sexual behavior of animals, had never had sex with--anything--including his own right hand!
Sometimes, pretty serious measures are required--even something usually considered as dishonorable as..booze. But maybe the whiskey gave Jack the courage he needed as well, and the 1st tent scene wasn't "finalized" (UGH! what a corporate word) untill they were both in the tent, and warm.
Aussie Chris:
Don't forget that Jack was extremely good at holding his liquor, and he would have known this. After all, he didn't have much of a problem standing up and getting Ennis a blanket. Ennis barely made it back to the fire without falling over. Jack knew what he was doing.
Ah booze - getting ugly people laid for centuries!
Sheyne:
Well, there were a few things in the tent scene + build-up that made me think the "getting Ennis trashed as seduction tactic" was Jack's MO. Firstly, as Chris pointed out: Jack was nowhere near as loaded as Ennis. After Ennis claims he's going back to the sheep but barely makes it out of the campsite on all fours (pant pant), watch Jack. He's sitting up, fairly alert and intently watching this attempt Ennis makes to leave (which doubles nicely as an excuse to perv on Ennis's incredible butt ;D).
Now there are two possiblities we have to consider here: either a) NEITHER boy was terribly drunk and BOTH faked it in order to spend the night together; OR b) Jack didn't have as much alcohol as Ennis (or as Julie pointed out, he may have been better at holding his alcohol), but got Ennis drunk to lower his guard a little.
As soon as Ennis mentions he'll stay in the campfire, again, watch Jack. He springs quickly to his feet to fetch him a blanket - no staggering or tripping. He's quite nimble and actually seems, for the most part, quite sober. Certainly isn't slurring etc. Is it worth considering that Ennis may have been pretending to be drunker than he really was, especially if he was picking up on the subtle attraction between he and Jack. There's definitely an interest there, but I'm not sure somebody with such little experience as Ennis would have recognised it for what it was. (Which was heaven, but we all know that!!! ;D ;D ;D)
And we all know what happens next. ;)
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