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the Earl flashback

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alec716:

--- Quote from: atz75 on June 13, 2006, 11:48:42 pm ---Alec, I really like the way you put this.  It's really touching!



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I just calls it as I sees it... thanks.

Ellemeno:
Hi Everyone, I just saw this thread for the first time just now (never enough time).  As I started readng the first few posts, I started formulating what I wanted to add, and then lo!, I found Katherine had done it for me by quoting something I wrote a while back. 

(I'm also glad to have the opportunity to see that I was, understandably - my writing wasn't clear, I see now - somewhat misunderstood.  I actually don't think that Ennis would kill Jack.)

As is so often the case when I come into a thread 26 posts in, I don't have much to add to the wonderful discussion, except to say that I've always found it very powerful that Jack never drops his direct gaze from Ennis's during the "Hell yeah I been a Mexico/All them things" exchange.  And he doesn't flinch at all when jabbed in the chest (and heart).  I think it says a lot about the strong, self-accepting, unashamed man that Jack has grown into.  I always feel proud of him for that moment.
The rest of what I feel like conveying right now seems to distill into saying once again, "Poor Ennis."  :(

serious crayons:

--- Quote from: latjoreme on April 29, 2006, 01:13:01 am ---The other day Ellemeno expressed what I thought was a really good concept: Ennis' internal homophobic lynch mob. Althoughin context I disagreed with her viewpoint (it was on the "would Ennis really kill Jack" thread -- I don't believe he would) this seemed so useful in regard to the question of Ennis' dad's influence that I went back and found it:

The only thing I can add to what's been said is that it always seems to me that part of what Ennis is doing there is making clear that even now, he is aligning himself with the homophobes and not with the homosexual.  It's what he got taught - when you find out that someone has had sex with a man, you kill them.  He could somehow torque it inside of himself that he himself ain't queer, so that doesn't count.  But if Jack has sex with another man, well that is queer, and thus a killable offense.

It's almost like he says it out loud pro forma, for any homophobes who might be listening, just like when on the mountain he leans back to watch Jack ride away, and then quickly catches himself and LOOKS AROUND, to see if anyone else has noticed that he was watching another guy.  He carries his homophobic lynch mob with him everywhere he goes, even way out in the middle of nowhere.


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This is a first for me -- quoting myself quoting someone else!

Wow, that was a long time ago. Elle, I think maybe it is me who was unclear. Either that or I am unclear now about what I thought on April 29. For that matter, some of my posts on this very thread seem to contradict each other.

Anyway, you had a good concept -- Ennis' inner lynch mob -- which I thought of again more recently and may have even quoted, when speculating about why Ennis called it "the job," as if at some level he categorizes it as a normal chore as opposed to an atrocity.

Brown Eyes:

--- Quote from: Elle-Effen'-Meno on June 22, 2006, 11:25:54 pm ---I've always found it very powerful that Jack never drops his direct gaze from Ennis's during the "Hell yeah I been a Mexico/All them things" exchange.  And he doesn't flinch at all when jabbed in the chest (and heart).  I think it says a lot about the strong, self-accepting, unashamed man that Jack has grown into.  I always feel proud of him for that moment.
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Hi Clarissa,
Thanks for joining in!  Wow, I've never really thought about Ennis's shove as a "jab in the heart".  That's really powerful.
 :'(

I don't know if I can handle the "inner lynch mob" conversation again.
 :'(

And, back to the original thread topic... I'm still obsessed with figuring out what the actual landscape is for the Earl flashback. 
 ???

Ellemeno:

--- Quote from: atz75 on June 23, 2006, 12:18:23 am ---And, back to the original thread topic... I'm still obsessed with figuring out what the actual landscape is for the Earl flashback. 
 ???

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I'm going to vote that that's why New Mexico is listed as a shooting location.  Sounds good to me.  But I don't really know.

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