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Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond => Heath Ledger Remembrance Forum => Topic started by: RossInIllinois on January 30, 2008, 06:15:59 pm
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He has taken a leave of absence from filming his latest movie Brothers. Now this is a BIG DEAL because you just don't "take off' on a film commitment because it then turns into a claim with the films insurance underwriter and holds up production costing about $50 thousand a day to idle a film already in production. My take on this is the Films Dr. has signed off saying he is not fit to continue filming for a given time. Its the only way they can make a claim on the policy. He is said to be in seclusion with Reese Witherspoon. Now here is an intresting twist. While filming Brothers there is a jail scene where Jake is in jail for what ever reason. Now mind you this happened BEFORE Heath died he replaced a poster in his jail cell of a hot babe that the set dressers put there with one of HEATH!! What the heck do you make of that???
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He was having a warm hearted joke with his colleagues?
good info on the meaning of "leave of absence" though. The poor guy.
Jake - we are RIGHT THERE WITH YOU buddy.
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my heart breaks for poor Jake.. sweetie s'alright, s'alright...lay back and rest,
for just one more time.
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I have a feeling one day he will talk, they always do, and it will be like when Baby Jessica was pulled from that well, there will be total silence, and all eyes will be on him.
Bless his heart. :'(
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Quote: "What the heck do you make of that???"
Probably displaying a good sense of humor, though some people might read more into that.
I wish our community could also reach out to Jake as we did for Heath's family. He's suffered such an intractable loss.
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Perhaps Jake is also going to the funeral in Australia. (Presumably when he was in LA he went to the memorial service there.)
Wherever he is, I just hope the &%^$*# media leave him alone. (Not that they will, if they find him.)
I don't know what fans could do for him. He probably needs the comfort of people he knows well. (His parents, his sister...)
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I just posted a bit about this in another thread... but this also seems very relevant here.
E!News ran stories on Heath for quite a substantial amount of time tonight (as far as that show usually goes anyway... with its sound-bites, etc.). And, one of their focus stories was about Jake. They basically confirmed what Ross mentioned in his first post here... that Jake has left the set of his current movie and has not been seen much at all since Heath's death. This E! report also talked about the situation that Ross mentioned... that Jake pinned up Heath's picture in his jail cell on the movie set (before Heath passed away). It's hard to know what to make of that... but now given Ross's post, this is the second time I've heard it.
E!News mentioned that they attempted to shoot one scene on Jake's new movie since Heath's passing away but that it didn't work at all and Jake left. They kept stressing the phrase "he's taking it harder than most." They also spent some time explaining the strength of their friendship and Jake's role as godfather. The tone of this report was relatively respectful (again as far as these gossip/entertainment shows go). But, still so much of what they reported seems to be based on rumor and speculation that it's hard to know what to believe.
Poor Jake. :(
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My heart just aches for him. And everyone else who was as close or closer to Heath. I've never lost a close friend who was also a contemporary like this. I can't begin to imagine what it must feel like.
I wish the press would just leave them all the fuck alone. Like the line in the song goes, "Even when you died, the press still hounded you." For the love of all that's holy, why can't they show some respect?
I'm sure I speak for everyone (or just about) here when I say there is nothing I'd like more in the realm of reality now than to have the toxicology results come back negative. Not just to spare Heath's name, and his family and loved ones, all the bullshit that comes with a drug overdose by a star. But so these tabloid assholes could look to *everyone* exactly like what we know they really are: self-serving idiots.
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Hi, I'm relatively new here but it's been great to be able to come here the past week. I really appreciate it. Anyway, here is a link to People.com where there is the article about Jake taking Heath's death "harder than most." It also tells about Jake putting Heath's picture up in the cell as kind of a joke. It's sweet too though. Hope the link works.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174820,00.html?xid=email-peopledaily-20080130-20174820
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Hi, I'm relatively new here but it's been great to be able to come here the past week. I really appreciate it. Anyway, here is a link to People.com where there is the article about Jake taking Heath's death "harder than most." It also tells about Jake putting Heath's picture up in the cell as kind of a joke. It's sweet too though. Hope the link works.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174820,00.html?xid=email-peopledaily-20080130-20174820
Thank you for the link kellyd! That's really helpful.
And, welcome to BetterMost! :) :) It's so nice you found your way here... and I certainly hope this community can offer some measure of comfort as a respectful, understanding place during these difficult times.
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I'm sure I speak for everyone (or just about) here when I say there is nothing I'd like more in the realm of reality now than to have the toxicology results come back negative. Not just to spare Heath's name, and his family and loved ones, all the bullshit that comes with a drug overdose by a star. But so these tabloid assholes could look to *everyone* exactly like what we know they really are: self-serving idiots.
Very well said, ednbarby. I heard some idiot that came out of the woodworks saying she scored heroin for Heath, once. They're trash!
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Hi all. I am a huge fan of Brokeback Mountain, and the initial first days of not knowing how Jake was taking Heath's death had me bewildered. I didn't understand why he didn't make a statement. I know now that Jake is taking this very hard. I am so sorry Jake is taking this so hard. I know what it feels like to loose friends because of drugs. It's very difficult, sad and hard to get over.
The toxology results come back on Feb. 5th I hope the toxology report on Heath comes back negative for drugs. CNN and the upcoming issue of People magazine speculate that drugs are what caused the early end to this man's life; a wonderful actor, movie star, father, son, brother, friend all that Heath was. Ennis Delmar.. Jack's Ennis...Our Ennis.
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Hi, I'm relatively new here but it's been great to be able to come here the past week. I really appreciate it. Anyway, here is a link to People.com where there is the article about Jake taking Heath's death "harder than most." It also tells about Jake putting Heath's picture up in the cell as kind of a joke. It's sweet too though. Hope the link works.
http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20174820,00.html?xid=email-peopledaily-20080130-20174820
Thanks KellyD - nice to see ya :-*
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The thing that bothers me the most is that I truly do not believe that Heath died of a drug overdose.. I havent thought that from the beginning. Its these recent reports that of friends in hollywood saying he was on drugs that has me worried.. I truly in my heart have always thought that Heath died from natural causes
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The thing that bothers me the most is that I truly do not believe that Heath died of a drug overdose.. I havent thought that from the beginning. Its these recent reports that of friends in hollywood saying he was on drugs that has me worried.. I truly in my heart have always thought that Heath died from natural causes
Either way, I don't feel it's justified for the press and gossip tabloids to pass judgment on the cause of death. It's an enormous tragedy no matter what the cause. Sometimes I feel like with the press/tabloid urge to press the "drug overdose" story too far, there's an underlying sense of "blaming the victim." To me that's just so unfair.
The thing I hope the most (in any scenario leading up to his passing away) is that he wasn't truly sad or depressed like some reports also seem to suggest. To me that's the most important thing.
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I read on IHJ that Jake G, Johnny Depp, Sean Penn, and Christain Bale are going to help finish Heaths last film, Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus as a tribute to Heath.. They were all close friends to Heath.
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Either way, I don't feel it's justified for the press and gossip tabloids to pass judgment on the cause of death. It's an enormous tragedy no matter what the cause. Sometimes I feel like with the press/tabloid urge to press the "drug overdose" story too far, there's an underlying sense of "blaming the victim." To me that's just so unfair.
The thing I hope the most (in any scenario leading up to his passing away) is that he wasn't truly sad or depressed like some reports also seem to suggest. To me that's the most important thing.
I agree 100% with you Amanda, but I really had a need to know about what was going on with Jake.. Heath and Jake are our Jack and Ennis.. The thing that has brought us all together here on Bettermost.. Heath and Jake deserve not to be hounded by the paps, as they are terrible and relentless. But having such a "close" connection to Jake via Brokeback mountain as well as his other movies makes it important to know how Jake is ??!!! I don't think its wrong to want to know how he is doing.. of course he cares. He is seriously grieving the loss of someone very close to him.. The fact that he keeps a pic of Heath in his pocket shows the love he "has" for the man. Its still hard to believe Heath is dead.. I don't want to think it was depression or drugs or loneliness. And i hat the paps.. I was one of the first on the Jake Jake Jake thread to say i dont like the pap pics but do welcome the studio shots.
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I really had a need to know about what was going on with Jake.. Heath and Jake are our Jack and Ennis.. The thing that has brought us all together here on Bettermost.. Heath and Jake deserve not to be hounded by the paps, as they are terrible and relentless. But having such a "close" connection to Jake via Brokeback mountain as well as his other movies makes it important to know how Jake is ??!!! I don't think its wrong to want to know how he is doing.. of course he cares. He is seriously grieving the loss of someone very close to him.. The fact that he keeps a pic of Heath in his pocket shows the love he "has" for the man. Its still hard to believe Heath is dead.. I don't want to think it was depression or drugs or loneliness. And i hat the paps.. I was one of the first on the Jake Jake Jake thread to say i dont like the pap pics but do welcome the studio shots.
{{{dev}}} And, I agree with this 100% :-*
I read on IHJ that Jake G, Johnny Depp, Sean Penn, and Christain Bale are going to help finish Heaths last film, Imaginarium of Dr Parnassus as a tribute to Heath.. They were all close friends to Heath.
And, this is certainly a very sweet idea. At this point, it's hard to know what to believe with so many stories and speculative reports going around. But, this is definitely a really touching idea.
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And, this is certainly a very sweet idea. At this point, it's hard to know what to believe with so many stories and speculative reports going around. But, this is definitely a really touching idea.
I agree. And with all you and Dev have said here, as well. "Blaming the victim" - that's exactly what they're doing. And it's disgusting.
I also think it's perfectly understandable to want to know Jake's OK.
It's good to know he isn't dealing with this alone - that he has someone he loves to be with and to help him through it.
I, too, hate the pap pics and refuse to look at them, even when they're posted here. I just think it's such an intrusion. I don't want or need to see stars "doing normal stuff like everyone else" - I know they do. They're human just like everyone else. Let's extend them the same dignity we'd want extended to ourselves. Oh - there's that pesky Golden Rule again. Wouldn't want to let that get in the way of making a buck or two or something.
(Sorry - here comes the Anger rearing its ugly head again.)
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I'm so glad that, so far, at least, Jake has been able to slip past the paparazzi bullshit bloodhounds. He is probably in deep mourning, as anyone of us would be after losing a close friend. I've been there a few times, and especially in the case of a sudden death, the shock takes time to wear off. I think I know where I would want to go, if I were Jake..... Enough said. God bless you, Jake. Our hearts are with you!
THE WINGS
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How Jake found out: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19964025.html
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How Jake found out: http://community.livejournal.com/ohnotheydidnt/19964025.html
I can,t view that, I,m not authorised or something. Can you paste what it says here please?
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I can'topen it either....... :( >:( :(
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Can someone else please open that link thats been posted and paste what it says here please? I can,t open it and I really want to read it, thanks.
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Can someone else please open that link thats been posted and paste what it says here please? I can,t open it and I really want to read it, thanks.
It's about that person seeing Jake receiving the news.. If you guys want me to post it here I could..
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I'm probably in a vast minority, but I'd rather you didn't. I have no desire to know exactly what his face looked like or what he said. Leave the poor lamb alone, for Christ's sake.
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I'm probably in a vast minority, but I'd rather you didn't. I have no desire to know exactly what his face looked like or what he said. Leave the poor lamb alone, for Christ's sake.
I'm still in the must read everything stage so I would be interested to read.
Perhaps whatthefuckbenj you could put the text in a white colour - and those that want to read can highlight it to read it. Like this.. (highlight the bit below)
TEST TEST TEST TEST
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Louise posted this Australian news link in the News thread, but it's relevant for this one as well, because it says that Jake just arrived in Perth for the funeral.
http://www.news.com.au/perthnow/story/0,21598,23173473-5012990,00.html
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Go Jakey, I was sure he wouldn't miss it.
For some inexplicable reason this makes me feel good!
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I know. I guess that is because it confirms that Jake truly was and remained one of Heath's close friends - and it feels good to think of the two of them continuing their friendship and enjoying each other's company after Brokeback.
But also, being able to attend the funeral must help Jake and others move towards some sort of closure - so for that reason too I'm glad he's there.
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For some inexplicable reason this makes me feel good!
Me 2. I've been beside myself worring about Jake. So glad he found the strength to make it to Perth. I pray he finds closure - I pray we all do.
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Me 2. I've been beside myself worring about Jake. So glad he found the strength to make it to Perth. I pray he finds closure - I pray we all do.
Do we have to? Because I'm not ready yet.... :(
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Jake is not taking Heath's passing well. Here's a recent article:
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618762.shtml#sharethis
Jake Gyllenhaal Leaning On Reese Witherspoon, Sister For Loss of Heath Ledger
By Brenda Jones
Feb 8, 2008
Jake Gyllenhaal is struggling mightily with the shock and is desperately leaning on his girlfriend, Reese Witherspoon, to help him cope with the grief he feels over his late pal Heath Ledger, sources tell OK! Magazine. A pal of Jake tells OK! that Reese has been crucial in getting the Brokeback Mountain star through this terrible time.
Jake Gyllenhaal Leaning On Reese Witherspoon, Sister For Loss of Heath Ledger
"Jake calls Reese every night," the friend confides. "He told her he’s having a hard time facing something as big as this." Jake’s first call when he heard about the loss of Heath was to his older sister, Maggie, the report claims.
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A Gyllenhaal family insider says Maggie, 30, is trying her best to be there for her 27-year-old brother. After she spoke to him on the phone, the insider says, “Maggie must have been concerned for Jake. I heard he sounded groggy, like he was in a daze. He was mumbling about Heath being gone, his voice was shaky and he was choking back tears during the conversation. I’m sure Maggie could hear the hurt in Jake’s voice.”
Jake, who is godfather to Heath’s 2-year-old daughter, Matilda, with Michelle Williams, feels guilty for not being there for his Aussie buddy. “I bet Maggie’s worried about her brother beating himself up and wishing he had known how bad things were,” says the friend. “There is only so much a person can do.”
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Jake is not taking Heath's passing well. Here's a recent article:
http://www.nationalledger.com/artman/publish/article_272618762.shtml#sharethis
Jake Gyllenhaal Leaning On Reese Witherspoon, Sister For Loss of Heath Ledger
By Brenda Jones
Feb 8, 2008
Jake Gyllenhaal is struggling mightily with the shock and is desperately leaning on his girlfriend, Reese Witherspoon, to help him cope with the grief he feels over his late pal Heath Ledger, sources tell OK! Magazine. A pal of Jake tells OK! that Reese has been crucial in getting the Brokeback Mountain star through this terrible time.
Jake Gyllenhaal Leaning On Reese Witherspoon, Sister For Loss of Heath Ledger
"Jake calls Reese every night," the friend confides. "He told her he’s having a hard time facing something as big as this." Jake’s first call when he heard about the loss of Heath was to his older sister, Maggie, the report claims.
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A Gyllenhaal family insider says Maggie, 30, is trying her best to be there for her 27-year-old brother. After she spoke to him on the phone, the insider says, “Maggie must have been concerned for Jake. I heard he sounded groggy, like he was in a daze. He was mumbling about Heath being gone, his voice was shaky and he was choking back tears during the conversation. I’m sure Maggie could hear the hurt in Jake’s voice.”
Jake, who is godfather to Heath’s 2-year-old daughter, Matilda, with Michelle Williams, feels guilty for not being there for his Aussie buddy. “I bet Maggie’s worried about her brother beating himself up and wishing he had known how bad things were,” says the friend. “There is only so much a person can do.”
Oh bless his heart. I could just hug him. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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With all due respect (ie. I certainly don't mean any criticism for posting articles here that are available on the net!) - but I think that report sounds like total fanfic.
Seems to me there would be no way on knowing that stuff unless Reese Witherspoon and Maggie Gyllenhaal went around blabbering to sundry acquaintances /"friends" about Jake's emotions and their intimate conversations with him. These ladies are good at keeping their goings-on private in everyday life, they'd be doubly so at this time and if things really were as bad with Jake as this story says. I think it's totally fabricated. May incidentally hit on the truth, for all we know, but... no.
The fact is that we don't know the first thing about what Jake has been up to. There was an early newspaper report he'd arrived in Australia, but no images and he's not been mentioned in any further reports as being present at the gatherings that took place today. I don't think he's really there. Whatever he's doing he's keeping his own counsel and just staying completely out of the media spotlight. Good for him. I hope whatever is going on, he's doing OK.
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You don,t think Jake is really there? With all due respect Mikaela I really don,t think Jake would miss attending the funeral of his best friend do you? Maybe there have been no pictures of him because he,s requested that the police keep the media well away from him. If that report was true and he sounded groggy, my guess is he was probably blind drunk, and who could blame him? Poor Jake. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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You don,t think Jake is really there? With all due respect Mikaela I really don,t think Jake would miss attending the funeral of his best friend do you? Maybe there have been no pictures of him because he,s requested that the police keep the media well away from him. If that report was true and he sounded groggy, my guess is he was probablu blind drunk, and who could blame him? Poor Jake. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
although Noone else was granted this - not Michelle or the family or his apparently current at the time Gemma Ward.
Who knows...
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although Noone else was granted this - not Michelle or the family or his apparently current at the time Gemma Ward.
Who knows...
Not that I know anything, but it's hard for me to believe that there was much depth to the Gemma Ward relationship. But who knows.
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although Noone else was granted this - not Michelle or the family or his apparently current at the time Gemma Ward.
Who knows...
Aye Kelda, your right, I,m just thinking out loud really. This is just all so bloody awful. Whatever Jake is doing, I,ll send him a big hug anyway. I reckon he could do with one. (((((((((((((((((((((((((((Jake))))))))))))))))))))))))))))).
:'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
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Not that I know anything, but it's hard for me to believe that there was much depth to the Gemma Ward relationship.
I agree with this.
As for Jake, I have to doubt the report that he had arrived in Australia. If he was there, I don't think he would have been able to escape the cameras.
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Not that I know anything, but it's hard for me to believe that there was much depth to the Gemma Ward relationship. But who knows.
Oh I think so too, but was just putting it out there...
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I'm probably in a vast minority, but I'd rather you didn't. I have no desire to know exactly what his face looked like or what he said. Leave the poor lamb alone, for Christ's sake.
actually, it looks like a piece of fiction to me. A little "TOO" pat if you will. ::) ::)
I think you will see a bunch of this....people claiming 'inside knowledge' to get people to pay attention to them...
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With all due respect (ie. I certainly don't mean any criticism for posting articles here that are available on the net!) - but I think that report sounds like total fanfic.
Seems to me there would be no way on knowing that stuff unless Reese Witherspoon and Maggie Gyllenhaal went around blabbering to sundry acquaintances /"friends" about Jake's emotions and their intimate conversations with him. These ladies are good at keeping their goings-on private in everyday life, they'd be doubly so at this time and if things really were as bad with Jake as this story says. I think it's totally fabricated. May incidentally hit on the truth, for all we know, but... no.
The fact is that we don't know the first thing about what Jake has been up to. There was an early newspaper report he'd arrived in Australia, but no images and he's not been mentioned in any further reports as being present at the gatherings that took place today. I don't think he's really there. Whatever he's doing he's keeping his own counsel and just staying completely out of the media spotlight. Good for him. I hope whatever is going on, he's doing OK.
I agree. when they give little details like that "he sounded groggy, like he was in a daze. He was mumbling about Heath being gone, his voice was shaky and he was choking back tears during the conversation" it always sounds fake to me. who says things like that to other people?
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I agree with what has been said so far. I'm sure Jake is having a difficult time with all of this, after all, who wouldn't? I've lost some very close friends, and it does take time to come to terms with the loss. It can even hit you harder than losing a blood-relative. I remember a member of the 70's group The Moody Blues saying that 'you have family that you love, but you CHOOSE your friends, and that the band had become like brothers'. As to Jake's reactions, I'm sure everyone (in the media, especially the tabloids) will be trying to over-analyze his every statement or hint of body language to make something out of it, that isn't there. Makes for good, sensationalist copy, but doesn't really inform. I hope that Jake does keep his own counsel, and deals with his grief in his own way, with the help and support of those who are closest to him. He has a wonderful network of family and friends to help him get through this. Not to mention a wonderful community of respectful fans here at Bettermost, and elsewhere.
We're all there with you, Jake!!!!
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As an addition to my last comments this scripture from the Bible came to mind: "There exist companions disposed to break one another to pieces, but there exists A FRIEND STICKING CLOSER THAN A BROTHER" -- Proverbs 18:24. Enough said.
THE WINGS
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Go Jakey, I was sure he wouldn't miss it.
For some inexplicable reason this makes me feel good!
I hope it's true that he was there too, as many folks have said. I'm just catching up with a lot of this... having been away from BetterMost for a day and a half...
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You don,t think Jake is really there? With all due respect Mikaela I really don,t think Jake would miss attending the funeral of his best friend do you? Maybe there have been no pictures of him because he,s requested that the police keep the media well away from him. If that report was true and he sounded groggy, my guess is he was probably blind drunk, and who could blame him? Poor Jake. :'( :'( :'( :'( :'(
We really don't know if they were best friends, but even if they only spoke to each other twice a year, he would still be devestated to lose his friend.
I don't think Jake's in Australia, if he had been, he would have been spotted by the cameras.
I was wondering, why do some of you think there wasn't much depth to the relationship Heath had with Gemma Ward?
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With all due respect (ie. I certainly don't mean any criticism for posting articles here that are available on the net!) - but I think that report sounds like total fanfic.
I was wondering that myself.
I'm begining to believe that Jake never did make it to Australia.
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Well, eventually, I guess we'll learn something real about what's going on with him. For some reason, this is hard for me not knowing what's really going on with him.
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Whatever he's doing, I bet he's sorry for missing that Memorial Celebration "wake" at the beach in Perth. That looked like such a balm for the soul and release from sadness....
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I think of all the things that i have seen. That play in the water was the best of
all. I think he would have liked that. Very much. :(
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I think of all the things that i have seen. That play in the water was the best of
all. I think he would have liked that. Very much. :(
I am very sure he would have, Janice.... *hug*
That looked like such a balm for the soul and release from sadness....
Very well-said, Mikaela. It felt like that even from looking at the pics....
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:) Yes, don't you wish you could have been there? I know I do....
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This article specifically mentions Jake being 'noticeably absent' and that he is 'in seclusion since the death of his mate.'
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23189271-10388,00.html
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Poor lamb. :'(
For what it's worth, Jake, there are a whole bunch of people whom you've never even met who love you and hope you're getting through it all okay, too.
I thought of all of them yesterday saying their final good-byes. Such a hard, hard day for all of them. It's still so heartbreaking.
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This article specifically mentions Jake being 'noticeably absent' and that he is 'in seclusion since the death of his mate.'
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/story/0,26278,23189271-10388,00.html
>:( :( :( ??? I don't know why I'm so fixated on this situation with Jake, but it's seeming more and more distressing to me. I think this has a lot to do with personal ideas and reactions to grief. But, I simply can't imagine missing a good friend's/ a best friend's funeral or memorial service. I really like Cate Blanchett and it's great that she was so involved. But, it just seems like such a huge omission to not have Jake there and actually playing a rather large role in the memorial. I guess I just don't get it.
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Have you seen the reports that Kirsten Dunst has just checked herself into a rehab facility - news keep claiming that what happened to Heath finally made her realize she needed help. Don't know the veracity of that, maybe it's just gossip, but... I know it's years since she and Jake broke up, but one thing and the other - I'm sure it's pretty tough on him. But at least he's got a loving family who can take care of him.
I do think it's strange that he's been so noticably absent though.
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Well, we know that the production had to be halted on his current film because he was too distraught. That's not the MO for our usually impeccably professional Jake - Jake who has never been fired from any job he's ever had and who is understandably quite proud of that. I think his poor heart has been broken in two, and he's having a much more difficult time dealing with that than perhaps anyone would have suspected. I'm glad he's with a grown-up woman who can help him through it and that he's not dealing with it alone. But I'm worried for him, in a startlingly maternal way.
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ednbarby, I think what you say here is very perceptive. I do think the fact that Brothers has been halted (does anyone know if this is still actually the case?... I know it was reported a while back.) combined with the apparent lack of any public appearance or public statement (at any of the memorial services either in Hollywood or Australia) are striking. If he was thinking purely in terms of PR and Hollywood-image, maybe he would have come out and had some kind of eloquent statement issued on the situation. The fact that he's just sort of missing in action is very worrisome and to me sort of indicates that something is going on. I'm still stuck on the idea that he (apparently) missed this recent big memorial service. I just can't imagine missing something like that if one of my best friends passed away. Especially if I was a godparent to that person's child. Again, I just don't get it.
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How are Gyllenhaalics (beyond the realms of BBM forums) reacting to all of this? Do we know?
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I took a little peruse of fan sites for Jake and none of them have any up to date news on them. We are not the only Brokeback fans wondering what happened to Jake, however.
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Have you seen the reports that Kirsten Dunst has just checked herself into a rehab facility - news keep claiming that what happened to Heath finally made her realize she needed help. Don't know the veracity of that, maybe it's just gossip, but... I know it's years since she and Jake broke up, but one thing and the other - I'm sure it's pretty tough on him. But at least he's got a loving family who can take care of him.
I do think it's strange that he's been so noticably absent though.
Yes, I've seen the reports. However, I've neither heard nor read anything that states she learned a lesson from Heath's death. I hardly want to compare the two. Heath's was purely accidental. Kirsten...well, her nickname hasn't been Kirsten Drunk by accident.
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Well, we know that the production had to be halted on his current film because he was too distraught. That's not the MO for our usually impeccably professional Jake - Jake who has never been fired from any job he's ever had and who is understandably quite proud of that. I think his poor heart has been broken in two, and he's having a much more difficult time dealing with that than perhaps anyone would have suspected. I'm glad he's with a grown-up woman who can help him through it and that he's not dealing with it alone. But I'm worried for him, in a startlingly maternal way.
Was it because he was too distraught or because the producers wanted to give him time to grieve? I remember he went back to work a week after the news, but supposedly the scene he shot wasn't very good due to his distracted state. Based on what little that article gave, it seemed more he was disturbed and distracted than distraught. He was able to be out and about for the L.A. memorial and he went out in public with Reese and the kids at least once. I'm starting to wonder if it's not that he's overcome with grief as much as he wants to let the media frenzy die down before showing himself.
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>:( :( :( ??? I don't know why I'm so fixated on this situation with Jake, but it's seeming more and more distressing to me. I think this has a lot to do with personal ideas and reactions to grief. But, I simply can't imagine missing a good friend's/ a best friend's funeral or memorial service. I really like Cate Blanchett and it's great that she was so involved. But, it just seems like such a huge omission to not have Jake there and actually playing a rather large role in the memorial. I guess I just don't get it.
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Hi A...
Sending you a hug...
I would maybe just hope that Jake is dealing/coping in a way that we are just not privy too... that's doesn't necessarily mean that it's bad, it's just that we don't get to know about it...
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I thought I saw on the news that Jake was going to be at the memorial service in Perth, but apparently that did not happen. I do think it is very strange that he has dropped so much out of sight and has made no comments at all.
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I don't know about this one.. It may be strange that he did not go to Perth, but it's his right, no? We don't know his reasons and it is upsetting not to know how he is doing and whether he is coping, but I think that I'd be ok if he didn't appear on any channel anywhere for another while. It must be an extra pressure for him, in this difficult time, to know that everyone will want to know something about him. Ask him about how he feels. Any questions at this point I think will be of no use whatsoever. I think it was very brave of Heath's parents, Ang Lee and Michelle Williams to give a statement so quickly and I'm sure it took off the pressure of having everyone expecting of them to 'share' their grief with us and the media. That pressure is still with Jake and I don't want to add to it. I think he has every right to take all the time in the world before giving any statement or answering any questions. I can see it now already, how people will not stop asking.. I am hoping so much, that Jake is coping.. somehow.. I think he must be very vulnerable at this point, with his heart bursting with pain. I can't imagine him forcing himself to hold it all together in front of a camera..
All the time he needs!
[I never went to my grandmother's funeral (the only one of my grandparents I ever knew) - I was informed too late.. First I was very angry but now, with time, I believe that this means I never had to say goodbye to her and that she's still there, next to me.. somewhere.. If that makes sense.. Maybe Jake doesn't want to say goodbye, just yet..]
j.U.d.E.
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It's been strange reading the posts here on Jake and then the ones over at the DC Board. Both places concerned about Jake's wellbeing and respectfully wondering what's happening - but with a very different view of whether or not Jake had tp pause filming or is currently continuing to film "Brothers" atm.
According to the info over there he came back onset after a couple of days and filmed a scene, and the filming has been ongoing this past week. Filming in Los Alamos wraps today, as a matter of fact; - here's a link that gives more details: http://www.losalamosnm.us/index.asp?Type=B_PR&SEC={E2383F39-DD36-4B5A-989C-3D677CC73A43}&DE={F878B67B-D2CE-4042-B5BA-B225D8215274}
Don't know whether Jake was in the scenes filmed there this week of course, but if he were it explains why he wasn't at the Perth funeral.
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Was Ang at the funeral? Or otbher BBM reps? anne Hathaway?
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I don't know why you think I deserve such a
snide exasperated reply. ??? :( My last sentence was written in light of the various media reports that he was in fact going to Australia / had actually arrived there. As to why Jake might be closer to Heath and Michelle than Ang Lee and others, that has been covered extensively in this thread and elsewhere so no need to go through it again.
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Oh Mikela! Sorry! I wasn't meaning to sound exhasperated to your reply - far from it! Your posts are always so great!
It was just my line of thinking after catching up with this thread and I just wondered! maybe not the best thread to put it on, but was just thinking aloud!
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Sorry again!
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At first I thought Jake was indeed in Perth, and that he might have chosen to spend the day with Matilda instead, taking her to the zoo or somewhere fun along with her nanny. But now that I think of it and the fact that he is in none of the pictures, not even the ones of the ocean plunge at the end of the wake (he could've left Matilda with the nany after a trip to the zoo for example and go to the wake), it is possible that someone else was confused with Jake at the airport, hence the reports about his supposed arrival to Perth.
I've also noticed that the people who attended the funeral were all aussies except for Michelle. Only aussie actors, directors and other friends were there. If I am wrong please someone say so. I'm not too sure who exactly went but the names I read in the press were all of australian people. So, there might be a possibility that both Michelle and Heath's family asked Jake, Ang Lee and everyone else at the states not to attend the funeral to keep the media frenzy under control. Remember, they had two memorial services in Los Angeles, and it was probably to avoid that. That is the only rational explanation I can give to Jake's absence at the funeral, but who knows.
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I was going to make that same point, Natali - that the Perth funeral seemed to be for family and the family's friends. And that it's quite possible that the family expressed a wish that the other folks not attend to keep the media at bay. Or that the other folks collectively decided that would be the best idea.
I'm also with Jude that he's just dealing with it in his own way. And I still think that any effort to keep the media from exploiting their friendship isn't for self-preservation - after all, any publicity is good publicity (unless you're Tom Cruise), right? It's out of respect for Heath and his family. He could just very well be doing what he knows Heath would want him to do. Heath was extremely private. So is Jake. It's not that much of a mystery to me. Like everyone, I'd just like to know that he's doing OK. If he's gone back to the set for "Brothers," that's very good news.
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I was going to make that same point, Natali - that the Perth funeral seemed to be for family and the family's friends. And that it's quite possible that the family expressed a wish that the other folks not attend to keep the media at bay. Or that the other folks collectively decided that would be the best idea.
There are also very aware of the general public's expectation (Brokies included) about what Jake would do/say/go to. I'm pretty sure they have people searching the forums and gathering information, and they know the media is too so maybe there was a collective decision to keep things as low key as possible by reducing the number of attendees at the funeral, though 500 hundred guests is a lot of people.
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One thing about the mountains of northern New Mexico, where Jake's movie is filming: there have been two storms there in the past two weeks, and now it's sunny and things will be melting. If they're filming outdoor scenes (which seems likely in NM; the state markets its scenery to Hollywood, and it stands in for a lot of other places), they've got to worry about the natural conditions changing rapidly at this time of year. They might have trouble with continuity if they don't wrap filming while winter's behaving like winter (assuming that they wanted real snow visible - and if they didn't, why film in January and February?).
Jake was seen in LA. It's possible that he went to that memorial service, but then needed to come back to NM and finish his work on Brothers.
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Was Ang at the funeral? Or otbher BBM reps? anne Hathaway?
Kelda I was wondering about Anne Hathaway also.
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I do feel it is highly possible that Jake wants to stay out of the media's attention. As others have said at this point Jake making a statement would solve nothing. He may as someone else said be doing exactly what he feels Heath would have wanted.
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I have no problem with Anne Hathaway not appearing. She was in BBM, but she never shared any screentime with Heath and probably only met him after the movie when they were doing a publicity jaunt and by then he was involved with Michelle and likely not into socializing with a big group much.
Did she show up at the LA memorial service? I much rather have seen her than a one night stand like Lindsey Lohan.
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First of all a :-* to Kelda. No worries.
I was going to make that same point, Natali - that the Perth funeral seemed to be for family and the family's friends. And that it's quite possible that the family expressed a wish that the other folks not attend to keep the media at bay.
Well, Cate Blanchett and Bryan Brown attended. They are movie stars/actors and previous co-stars in Heath's films - perhaps they were also personal friends, I do not know. But it hardly was an affair limited to the closest family friends, seems to me. As for only Aussies attending I think that must have had to do with the travel distance from the US/UK and the fact of the LA memorial services as much as anything - the Hollywood set had already had the opportunity to say their goodbyes, - but it seems unlikely to me that foreign co-star actors would have been specifically asked to not attend the Perth service.
The thing is, Jake's absence and silence is starting to draw as much attention as his attendance/speaking out would. It's a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation in that regard. Scandinavia's largest paper, VG, has a short article on Heath's funeral today. Despite the briefness of the piece they do specifically make a point of mentioning that "Jake Gyllenhaal however was not present". So it's not just the Brokeback fan crowd making a point of this.
I think things had been easier for Jake if he had made some sort of short statement, through his publicist even, like Michelle did. That would ease the pressure and curiosity.... Jake must know that, so I feel a bit worried that he remains quiet despite that. Though I hesitate to interpret the silence.
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Del, I wasn't comparing Heath and la Dunst, very far from it - but it's not too long ago that I stumbled across someone's collection of photos of Jake with Kirsten on the net, and there could be little doubt from those that they were very much in love once, and in Hollywood terms their relationship lasted long, too. So I would think Jake might also be upset about her being in a situation where she needs rehab, coming on top of what happened to Heath. But of course I am only speculating... :-\
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I think the only reason Jake was presumed to be there was that the media had access to the guest list for the Penrhos College memorial service, and he was on the guest list. The rest of his presumed attendance may have simply been guessed.
As far as who was taking care of Matilda, Michelle arrived in Perth with a female companion who was unnamed in the photos - that was probably an assistant/nanny to help care for Matilda while Michelle attended the services.
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Well I have to confess to being surprised that Jake didn,t go to Heaths, funeral. Maybe he attended the memorail service in LA, I don,t know. As to his silence, I can only assume, as we all can, that he is simply to distraught to say anything. But I,m only speculating. I expect we,ll all find out something sooner or later. Whatever the reason for his abscence/silence, I just hope he,s ok.
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Well I have to confess to being surprised that Jake didn,t go to Heaths, funeral. Maybe he attended the memorail service in LA, I don,t know. As to his silence, I can only assume, as we all can, that he is simply to distraught to say anything. But I,m only speculating. I expect we,ll all find out something sooner or later. Whatever the reason for his abscence/silence, I just hope he,s ok.
for me, I don't think silence necessarily equals 'distraught'... he may very well be distraught, but he also just may be choosing to be silent, for reasons that could perhaps number one million.
I can just as easily imagine that he would rather not say anything at all, for fear of having his words overly interpreted, etc., potentially adding fuel to the fire, spawning further gossip, blah blah blah.
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As far as who was taking care of Matilda, Michelle arrived in Perth with a female companion who was unnamed in the photos - that was probably an assistant/nanny to help care for Matilda while Michelle attended the services.
I think one of Heath's sisters has twins who are, oh ca. 4 years old? I saw a picture of them, two very adorable blond tousled-headed girls. I'd imagine someone probably was looking after both the two of them and Matilda together while the family was at the service and wake.
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for me, I don't think silence necessarily equals 'distraught'... he may very well be distraught, but he also just may be choosing to be silent, for reasons that could perhaps number one million.
I can just as easily imagine that he would rather not say anything at all, for fear of having his words overly interpreted, etc., potentially adding fuel to the fire, spawning further gossip, blah blah blah.
Yes Bel your right. His silence could be for a million and one reasons, who knows. I,m only thinking out loud really. Like I said, I expect we,ll all find out soon enough.
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I think ultimately we are all concerned about Jake, because if he feels half as unsettled as all the rest of us do, it must be pretty tough to do his job! And the timing is terrible for him just as they are trying to wrap up shooting of a film he is starring in.
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I think one of Heath's sisters has twins who are, oh ca. 4 years old? I saw a picture of them, two very adorable blond tousled-headed girls. I'd imagine someone probably was looking after both the two of them and Matilda together while the family was at the service and wake.
They have to be Kate's daughters because the other two are too young to be mothers of four year olds. According to this site, Heath's sister Olivia Ledger is 11 years old, and the other one Ashleigh Bell is 18.
http://www.nndb.com/people/204/000029117/ (http://www.nndb.com/people/204/000029117/)
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Just as others have said there could be a million possible reasons why Jake did not attend the memorial service in Perth or make any statement concerning Heath. It may be that he prefers to keep his thoughts private to himself and not end up in the spotlight concerning the tragedy. Although they have been reported to be best friends and he is Matilda's godfather I don't think they ran in the same circles at all. In fact Heath didn't run much in any circles from what I can tell. He was a very private person and seemed to have friends from a variety of groups. He was certainly not the type who belonged to any specific clique. Although Jake does appear more frequently in the Hollywood circles I still see him as a rather private person too. Who knows it might have been he didn't go to the memorial service because he didn't want to be a part of the fanfare. For some reason I cannot see Jake jumping into the Indian Ocean and frolicking around as a goodbye to Heath. I know the people doing this reportedly did so cause Heath would have liked it. From everything I have read about Heath there is something about that I just don't see as something he would like all that much. I see him to be too private and too quiet to think all that much about something like that. Just my two cents worth.
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Just as others have said there could be a million possible reasons why Jake did not attend the memorial service in Perth or make any statement concerning Heath. It may be that he prefers to keep his thoughts private to himself and not end up in the spotlight concerning the tragedy. Although they have been reported to be best friends and he is Matilda's godfather I don't think they ran in the same circles at all. In fact Heath didn't run much in any circles from what I can tell. He was a very private person and seemed to have friends from a variety of groups. He was certainly not the type who belonged to any specific clique. Although Jake does appear more frequently in the Hollywood circles I still see him as a rather private person too. Who knows it might have been he didn't go to the memorial service because he didn't want to be a part of the fanfare. For some reason I cannot see Jake jumping into the Indian Ocean and frolicking around as a goodbye to Heath. I know the people doing this reportedly did so cause Heath would have liked it. From everything I have read about Heath there is something about that I just don't see as something he would like all that much. I see him to be too private and too quiet to think all that much about something like that. Just my two cents worth.
Well, given the fact that ones who planned the ocean plunge were his immediate family I think it is safe to think Heath might have liked it. I never met him but he seemed to be an outdoors kind of person. And growing up on the coast he probably loved the sea. What Heath seemed to hate was the press's constant harrasment but that didn't mean he wasn't a social guy. Considering all accounts that have been written about him, it seems like he liked going out, skateboarding, surfing, bar hopping and meeting women. He even played playing chess with strangers on Washington Square Park (or so they say) so IMO that hardly makes him too quiet. He was quiet with the press.
However, I think you might be right about with his relationship with Jake. They might have felt some strong connection while making BBM but then grew apart. Of course that doesn't mean Jake wouldn't be sad over his passing but could be an explanation for his behavior. I was surprised to learn that he didn't actually go to his funeral. Anyway, we don't really know what's going on with Jake, so it is best if we don't speculate at all.
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As Natali said, we can't possibly know what's going on with Jake. And honestly, it's not our right to know. I know no one here is saying that it is - just thinking out loud.
Heath was extremely private. Jake is known to be fairly private, too. In any event, neither of them has ever owed us, the fans, an explanation for anything they do (or don't do).
I kind of think some folks are transferring some of Ennis and Jack's relationship onto Heath and Jake, and understandably - their portrayals were so honest and real, it's hard not to believe that they have a very similar relationship in real life. I'm sure Jake cared very much about Heath, and for all we know, was still in frequent contact with him. They worked very closely together for a significant period of time and forged a bond - I'm sure time and distance hasn't done much to sever that. That said, just because Jake happened to costar as Heath's character's lover in a movie does not require him to make a statement. Sienna Miller did that fairly recently, too. Has she made a statement? Christian Bale and Maggie Gyllenhaal have very recently costarred with him. Have they made statements? Is anyone upset that they haven't? It's each person's choice, and I don't think it's fair to judge someone who worked closely with him and considered him a friend but has opted not to make a statement at this time unless we're judging all of them the same.
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As Natali said, we can't possibly know what's going on with Jake. And honestly, it's not our right to know. I know no one here is saying that it is - just thinking out loud.
Heath was extremely private. Jake is known to be fairly private, too. In any event, neither of them has ever owed us, the fans, an explanation for anything they do (or don't do).
I kind of think some folks are transferring some of Ennis and Jack's relationship onto Heath and Jake, and understandably - their portrayals were so honest and real, it's hard not to believe that they have a very similar relationship in real life.
That could be the case for some people. However, I think it is mostly because Jake is Matilda's godfather. In many cultures holding the godfather title means that the parents of the baby and the person selected to be godfather or godmother have a close relationship. I know now it is more symbolic, but still.
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That could be the case for some people. However, I think it is mostly because Jake is Matilda's godfather. In many cultures holding the godfather title means that the parents of the baby and the person selected to be godfather or godmother have a close relationship. I know now it is more symbolic, but still.
Hey Bud,
Yes this is how I feel about it. I wrote about this in the Jake, Jake, Jake thread last night. The fact that Heath and Michelle selected Jake to be godfather and that Jake accepted that role (which is, at least symbollicaly, a lifetime role) indicates that there's a level of assumed closeness and friendship that goes beyond simple professional friendliness. I mean, I would think Heath and Michelle would have considered that invitation carefully given that it's all about their daughter... and that Jake would have accepted it with a level of seriousness and a certain commitment to an ongoing friendship. Whether there are practical aspects to this role or not, at least to me it seems important.
And, really following the BBM activities and promotions, it's our strongest indication that the friendship between Heath/Michelle and Jake was/is deeper than a simple professional interaction.
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Did we ever get a confirmation from Jake, Heath or Michelle that Jake was indeed Matilda's godfather? Or is it a rumor that has become truth in our minds?
I remember there was a quote by Jake, something along the lines: "Yes, we are like best friends now, I have even been asked to be Matilda's godfather."
That quote (if somebody has the exact one) has always seemed strange to me, something Jake wouldn't say, because he/they is/are so private.
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Yes, we have confirmation, from Heath himself, in an interview with him, Michelle (and others?). I watched it a number of times back in the day, and still have the Youtube clip bookmarked, but it has since been removed. :-\ Nevertheless, there's no doubt about it. Someone asked at some Brokeback promotional press thing whether Ang Lee was the godfather of Matilda, given the way Heath and Michelle met, and Heath (and Michellle) seemed caught off guard, and so answered, no - in fact, Jake was her Godfather.
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Yes, we have confirmation, from Heath himself, in an interview with him, Michelle (and others?). I watched it a number of times back in the day, and still have the Youtube clip bookmarked, but it has since been removed. :-\ Nevertheless, there's no doubt about it. Someone asked at some Brokeback promotional press thing whether Ang Lee was the godfather of Matilda, given the way Heath and Michelle met, and Heath (and Michellle) seemed caught off guard, and so answered, no - in fact, Jake was her Godfather.
That's cool Mikaela! It would be neat to see that clip if it could be found again.
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that they were just friends. Not BFFs, no godfather thing, just friends. Even with that relationship, he probably would have made the trip to Perth for the funeral. Many others who simply knew him or had worked with him made the trip. People who didn't even know him made public statements. Jake... nothing.
Then think of what has always been said by and about both of them... they were best friends. Jake is Matilda's godfather. And then ask yourself why, taking that into account, he has not said a word and did not even attend his best friend's funeral. It ain't because he was busy. Like I said, mere acquaintances have done both of these things. Why not him?
Because people handle these things in different ways. Maybe Jake just couldn't bear the idea. Maybe he's still in the denial and depression phases. Maybe he's still internalizing the whole thing and hiding from the world because that's just how he deals. I think it's safe to say he's distraught because there's no other rational explanation for what would superficially appear as his complete disinterest in the whole thing. What's the likelihood--even if they were just plain old friends--that he just couldn't be bothered?
I remember when John Lennon was killed, some reporter asked Paul McCartney how he felt. "It's a drag, isn't it?" For years, I held that against him, thinking it was disrespectful, flippant and cold. God, this dude just doesn't care! What an a**hole!! Then one day it dawned on me what he was really saying to that reporter... "how do you THINK I feel, you friggin' moron? DUH. What a stupid question! Leave me alone, I'm mourning my lifelong friend. You're intruding on my private grief, and it's none of your business."
That's how I see it, anyway. Your mileage may vary. :)
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That's cool Mikaela! It would be neat to see that clip if it could be found again.
Yes, it would. Especially since it wasn't a pap thing or anything - but a bona fide interview. I've been looking for it previously (months ago), but haven't found it again. (The original YouTube clip was entitled: Jake, the godfather to Heath and Michelles baby" ) and a search over there along those lines doesn't yield any results.
Perhaps I<3Jake might have it, I'm not a member there.
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I remember when John Lennon was killed, some reporter asked Paul McCartney how he felt. "It's a drag, isn't it?" For years, I held that against him, thinking it was disrespectful, flippant and cold. God, this dude just doesn't care! What an a**hole!! Then one day it dawned on me what he was really saying to that reporter... "how do you THINK I feel, you friggin' moron? DUH. What a stupid question! Leave me alone, I'm mourning my lifelong friend. You're intruding on my private grief, and it's none of your business."
That's exactly how I see it. I think any question asked to Jake would be so unnecessary.. I said it in some other post. I fear the day he will have to reply to such questions. Some journalist are really no good. I like Jonathan Ross a lot for instance, but in Oct/Nov 07 Jake was on his show and Jonathan just couldn't NOT ask him about/mention BBM. .. You could see from Jake's expression that he was thinking 'not again'.. but he remained polite. I think in the end, BBM became a kind of 'burden'.. to him and Heath. Anyway, questions to him about Heath will be more then plenty at some point. I'm not looking forward to it.
It's like this article I read the other day about an interview of a husband who's wife had killed (in an awful way..) all of their 5 children one afternoon. .. about 9 months ago. And the journalist started the interview with 'how do you feel'..... ?!?! I mean, WTF!! I really try to avoid swearing on boards, but, come on! What a freaking question is that???? I am NOT looking forward to such questions asked to Jake.
IMHO he can keep silent for many many more weeks, months.. But then again, I think it will increase the pressure on him and he'll know that. ..
j. U. d. E.
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Let's say, for the sake of argument, that they were just friends. Not BFFs, no godfather thing, just friends. Even with that relationship, he probably would have made the trip to Perth for the funeral. Many others who simply knew him or had worked with him made the trip. People who didn't even know him made public statements. Jake... nothing.
Then think of what has always been said by and about both of them... they were best friends. Jake is Matilda's godfather. And then ask yourself why, taking that into account, he has not said a word and did not even attend his best friend's funeral. It ain't because he was busy. Like I said, mere acquaintances have done both of these things. Why not him?
Because people handle these things in different ways. Maybe Jake just couldn't bear the idea. Maybe he's still in the denial and depression phases. Maybe he's still internalizing the whole thing and hiding from the world because that's just how he deals. I think it's safe to say he's distraught because there's no other rational explanation for what would superficially appear as his complete disinterest in the whole thing. What's the likelihood--even if they were just plain old friends--that he just couldn't be bothered?
I remember when John Lennon was killed, some reporter asked Paul McCartney how he felt. "It's a drag, isn't it?" For years, I held that against him, thinking it was disrespectful, flippant and cold. God, this dude just doesn't care! What an a**hole!! Then one day it dawned on me what he was really saying to that reporter... "how do you THINK I feel, you friggin' moron? DUH. What a stupid question! Leave me alone, I'm mourning my lifelong friend. You're intruding on my private grief, and it's none of your business."
That's how I see it, anyway. Your mileage may vary. :)
Hey Verona! This is a great post. I definitely agree with you... I don't think Jake has been silent on this out of callousness or coldness. I do think it's probably something much more profound. Jake seems like such a warm person (based on interviews, etc.) that I've seen with him... and also based on the existing joint interviews and pics we do have that feature him with Heath, I can't imagine this isn't effecting him hard. What you say really is striking to me though, that it's fallen to Daniel Day Lewis to make one of the most gracious eulogies so far and he didn't even know Heath. And, of course even Michelle has now issued that lovely, heartbreaking statement. The only explanation I can really understand with regards to Jake is that he's taking this hard (as some reports have indicated) and that he's trying to be very private about it (or perhaps not shift the spotlight away from Heath's family). I think your analogy here with Paul McCartney is very good and perhaps even enlightening in this situation.
The whole story about Jake pinning Heath's photo up on the set of his current movie (just prior to Heath's death) certainly indicates that Heath was still very much on Jake's mind despite the amount of time that's passed since BBM and the BBM promotional activities.
As time moves along here, I find myself more and more worried about Jake. I don't mean to be intrusive on Jake's privacy or grief. But, as a Brokie, I find myself thinking about him more and more these days.
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According to Jake's fan site wetdarkandwild.blogspot.com they were filming Brothers last week until Sunday. He was supposedly spotted with other cast members having a drink on Thursday. I think with the help of work, family and friends Jake will be ok.
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People! I know how overzealous fans of any celebrity can get. I am a huge fan of both BBM and of both Heath and Jake, but not in an obsessive kind of way. How would you take it if your 28 year old brother, sister, son, daughter, cousin, nephew, niece..dies out of the blue. I bet this is how Jake feels.
Think about them in BBM for a second. What you see on screen is acting, but acting comes from your soul and actors are affected by the roles they play as I am sure that Heath and Jake felt a deep love for each other in a way we would not understand because it is personal - between them. They shared kisses, hugs, a gentle touch, love. How can you not be affected by that? So much so that Jake is Matilda’s godfather (yes, it is true. I saw Heath actually say it).
I do not mean to chide any of you. I have seen many posts with y’all apologizing for hurting the other one’s feelings. People! Don’t take life so seriously. Think of Heath’s memorial. Shout to the high heavens! Rejoice that we were blessed with such a beautiful person such as Heath. And smile!
Someone wrote an interesting quote in tribute to Heath and it was spot on. It is from my favorite scene in BBM:
A beautiful clear cold night by the river with the campfire blazing and the stars shining bright.
Jack: “Is there anything interesting up there in Heaven?”
Ennis: “I was just sendin’ up a prayer of thanks.”
Jack: “Fer what?”
Ennis: “Fer you forgettin’ to bring that harmonica, enjoyin’ the peace and quiet!”
(Laughter follows)…
That is how I will remember Heath Ledger.
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Hear hear. He didnt do this against us. It just happened.
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Following the loss of Heath, all these images take on a totally new kind of intensity for me. As watching BBM has too. And, when you think of Heath's professional legacy as it will stand from now on... these images permanently linked with Jake will probably be some of the most significant ways that Heath will be remembered in serious cinematic history since it seems clear that BBM was his masterpiece (and Jake's too up to this point).
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Hey Amanda,
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that anyone here was intruding on his private grief. I meant that more toward the media, whom he has not spoken to (which would be the only way any of us would have heard from him). I think perhaps he's just not yet ready to confide in strangers his deepest thoughts about losing his best friend. It's hard enough for some people to talk about something like this to their own loved ones... let alone the world.
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Hey Amanda,
Just to clarify, I wasn't suggesting that anyone here was intruding on his private grief. I meant that more toward the media, whom he has not spoken to (which would be the only way any of us would have heard from him). I think perhaps he's just not yet ready to confide in strangers his deepest thoughts about losing his best friend. It's hard enough for some people to talk about something like this to their own loved ones... let alone the world.
No worries Verona, I understood what you meant Friend. :)
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I remember when John Lennon was killed, some reporter asked Paul McCartney how he felt. "It's a drag, isn't it?" For years, I held that against him, thinking it was disrespectful, flippant and cold. God, this dude just doesn't care! What an a**hole!! Then one day it dawned on me what he was really saying to that reporter... "how do you THINK I feel, you friggin' moron? DUH. What a stupid question! Leave me alone, I'm mourning my lifelong friend. You're intruding on my private grief, and it's none of your business."
That's how I see it, anyway. Your mileage may vary. :)
This is an excellent point, Verona (and I love your last line. :))
I remember right after the Columbine school shooting tragedy, one of the parents of one of the victims was on The Today Show. Now, you might say, why go on that show if you want your privacy to be protected? But even so, that wench Katie Couric asked the father flat out "How did you feel when you learned your son had been killed?" I swear - I about tried to reach through the TV and strangle her to death. I yelled at the screen "How the F*** do you think he felt, you moron??? Tell us, how did you feel when you learned your husband was going to die from colon cancer at 42?"
Gawd.
Of course he's devastated. And I'm sure being asked such inane and insensitive questions would only aggravate the situation further.
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This is an excellent point, Verona (and I love your last line. :))
I remember right after the Columbine school shooting tragedy, one of the parents of one of the victims was on The Today Show. Now, you might say, why go on that show if you want your privacy to be protected? But even so, that wench Katie Couric asked the father flat out "How did you feel when you learned your son had been killed?" I swear - I about tried to reach through the TV and strangle her to death. I yelled at the screen "How the F*** do you think he felt, you moron??? Tell us, how did you feel when you learned your husband was going to die from colon cancer at 42?"
Gawd.
Of course he's devastated. And I'm sure being asked such inane and insensitive questions would only aggravate the situation further.
Someone actually ASKED a parent how they felt when their son had been shot??? : FFS. >:( >:( Like you said, how did he or she think he felt? God almighty, what a stupid insensitive question. Bloody morons.
As for Jake, of course he,s devastated. I should imagine, and I,m only guessing like we all are, that he simply can,t face talking to anyone. I should imagine he,d break down in tears. :'( :'( :'(
(((((((((((((((Jake))))))))))))))))
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That could be the case for some people. However, I think it is mostly because Jake is Matilda's godfather. In many cultures holding the godfather title means that the parents of the baby and the person selected to be godfather or godmother have a close relationship. I know now it is more symbolic, but still.
That is exactly what makes me think they are close friends in real life, not just Jake and Heath, but also Jake and Michelle. If it were not for them making Jake the godfather of Matilda I would not have thought much about their friendship beyond the acting parts in the movie.
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Did we ever get a confirmation from Jake, Heath or Michelle that Jake was indeed Matilda's godfather? Or is it a rumor that has become truth in our minds?
I remember there was a quote by Jake, something along the lines: "Yes, we are like best friends now, I have even been asked to be Matilda's godfather."
That quote (if somebody has the exact one) has always seemed strange to me, something Jake wouldn't say, because he/they is/are so private.
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Good point!!! In reality I don't know that this is truth, it could be rumor or a misinterpretation of something Jake said. Jake also said that it was he and Heath that slept together and Michelle got pregnant. And we know that was just him joking around about the parts in the movie :)
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Jack: “Is there anything interesting up there in Heaven?”
Ennis: “I was just sendin’ up a prayer of thanks.”
Jack: “Fer what?”
Ennis: “Fer you forgettin’ to bring that harmonica, enjoyin’ the peace and quiet!”
(Laughter follows)…
That is how I will remember Heath Ledger.
I have always loved that scene and when I did watch BBM since Heath's passing I thought about the same thing as you mention. That is one of those scenes that meant more this time. You know, the very first time I saw the movie I thought Ennis was gonna say something along the lines that the thanks was for them being together there. Of course that would be out of character for Ennis and more in line with my sometimes romantic ideas.
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Good point!!! In reality I don't know that this is truth, it could be rumor or a misinterpretation of something Jake said. Jake also said that it was he and Heath that slept together and Michelle got pregnant. And we know that was just him joking around about the parts in the movie :)
No, it's not a rumor. The godfather role is true. It's cited so frequently in articles, reports and interviews that I'm sure it would have been contradicted on some official level by now if it was not true.
Yes, we have confirmation, from Heath himself, in an interview with him, Michelle (and others?). I watched it a number of times back in the day, and still have the Youtube clip bookmarked, but it has since been removed. :-\ Nevertheless, there's no doubt about it. Someone asked at some Brokeback promotional press thing whether Ang Lee was the godfather of Matilda, given the way Heath and Michelle met, and Heath (and Michellle) seemed caught off guard, and so answered, no - in fact, Jake was her Godfather.
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What a GREAT picture Amanda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you find that one? I have never seen it before.
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What a GREAT picture Amanda!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Where did you find that one? I have never seen it before.
Thanks Friend! ;D It is a nice photo, isn't it? It's currently on page 2 of the "Jake and Heath Together" thread in Chez Tremblay. It was apparently taken around the time of/ at the Toronto Film Festival. So, it doesn't pertain to the godfather question precisely.... but still it's a nice shot of them all together.
dot-matrix posted it there:
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,10470.msg204774.html#msg204774 (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,10470.msg204774.html#msg204774)
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Jake is really the godfather of Matilda.
At an interview of the BBM crew at the backstage of BAFTA 2006, Heath was asked if it was Ang who's the godfather of Matilda, Heath told the interviewer it was Jake, Jake and Michelle then joined in to confirm it. I can't find the clip on YT but I've seen the interview so it's definitely true.
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Has anyone heard anything about Jake yet? I thought, as did most of us I suppose that he might have made some sort of statment by now, but to my knowledge he hasn,t. Mind you, what would he say? I just hope he,s ok whatever he is doing and wherever he is.
(((((((((((((Jake)))))))))))).
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Yes, Eonline spotted him with two friends at a Rufus Wainwright concert in L.A. It was a one-line mention.
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Yes, Eonline spotted him with two friends at a Rufus Wainwright concert in L.A. It was a one-line mention.
Excellent choice! ;D
j. U. d. E.
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Yes, Eonline spotted him with two friends at a Rufus Wainwright concert in L.A. It was a one-line mention.
I wonder if Wainwright ever plays BBM songs in his concert playlist.
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Interestingly enough, Rufus had a concert in Perth on February 9th.
According to this RufusWainwright.com (http://rufuswainwright.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=546398&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), Jake was at the February 12th show at the Wiltern Theatre in L.A. In Post #5570050, bynmar posted:
"It was a seated venue, but a lot of the crowd got on their feet for 14th Street and Beautiful Child. It was fun to see Jake Gyllenhaal two rows behind us standing, dancing and singing his heart out to 14th Street...."
BTW, during the concert Rufus did make a reference to Heath Ledger. It's discussed further down in the comments.
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Interestingly enough, Rufus had a concert in Perth on February 9th.
According to this RufusWainwright.com (http://rufuswainwright.com/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=546398&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=3&vc=1), Jake was at the February 12th show at the Wiltern Theatre in L.A. In Post #5570050, bynmar posted:
"It was a seated venue, but a lot of the crowd got on their feet for 14th Street and Beautiful Child. It was fun to see Jake Gyllenhaal two rows behind us standing, dancing and singing his heart out to 14th Street...."
BTW, during the concert Rufus did make a reference to Heath Ledger. It's discussed further down in the comments.
Thanks Fran!
This is currently a hot topic over in JJJ too.
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I'm kind of new here. Can someone please tell me where I can find the Jake, Jake, Jake thread? Thanks!! ;D
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I'm kind of new here. Can someone please tell me where I can find the Jake, Jake, Jake thread? Thanks!! ;D
Welcome kellyd! So glad you've found your way to BetterMost!
The Jake, Jake, Jake thread can be found here: http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1113.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
It's one of our classic threads over in the forum known as "Chez Tremblay". It's largely photos and a celebration of all things related to Jake. Its twin is of course, Heath, Heath, Heath... also nestled in the Chez Tremblay forum.
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Welcome kellyd! So glad you've found your way to BetterMost!
The Jake, Jake, Jake thread can be found here: http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1113.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,1113.0.html)
It's one of our classic threads over in the forum known as "Chez Tremblay". It's largely photos and a celebration of all things related to Jake. It's twin is of course, Heath, Heath, Heath... also nestled in the Chez Tremblay forum.
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Thanks for the welcome and the help! I appreciate it!! :)
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No, it's not a rumor. The godfather role is true. It's cited so frequently in articles, reports and interviews that I'm sure it would have been contradicted on some official level by now if it was not true.
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Oh Amanda!
I think that is a new pic for me! It is stunning.
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Oh Amanda!
I think that is a new pic for me! It is stunning.
Thanks Friend! Yes, it's definitely a lovely pic of all 3 of them.
I actually just brought it over here from the "Jake and Heath Together" thread in Chez Tremblay.
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There are new pics of Jake on iheartjake:
(http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/8899/15feb1ot6.jpg)
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Reese and Jake out and about:
http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrity_gallery/image_full/51333/ (http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/celebrity_gallery/image_full/51333/)
http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/02/16/jake-gyllenhaal-reese-witherspoon-valentines/ (http://justjared.buzznet.com/2008/02/16/jake-gyllenhaal-reese-witherspoon-valentines/)
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thanks MilAn - I think they're a cute couple.
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They seem to be really in love. He spends much time with her and her kids! :)
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(http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/315/vanity2bfairgb6.jpg)
Italian Vanity Fair, Feb 2008
I'm bringing this over from the "Jake, Jake, Jake" thread. Thanks to dot-matrix for posting it there.
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"We was fishing buddies."
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I've seen these pics before. Damn cant remember what mag they were in though. Jake looks delicious!
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I've seen these pics before. Damn cant remember what mag they were in though. Jake looks delicious!
Yeah, Hubbba,hubba,hubba. Those yummy pics came from the October 2007 issue of Interview.
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Great pics!!
Why that fishing one, he really did that one?? Or that was added, those clothes on him?
Does Jake like fishing?
Hugs!!
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"You'll freeze to death when that fire dies down!" I like this one, too:
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Wow, thanks!
<A real scene?
Hugs!
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All wrapped: The big-name flick Brothers ended its filming with a party at the College of Santa Fe, where much of the movie was shot at the college's Garson Studios. Jake Gyllenhaal, one of the movie's three stars, stopped by the event. Tobey Maguire and Natalie Portman, however, were no-shows.
http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Leisure/El-Mitote_02_24_2008 (http://www.santafenewmexican.com/Leisure/El-Mitote_02_24_2008)
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From which one might surmise that Portman and Maguire are going to attend the Oscars (and needed to spend time in Tinseltown in that connection) but Jake is not?
Just speculating here.
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Jake attended the pre Oscar party on Saturday:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a90159/pitt-jolie-avoid-meeting-aniston-at-bash.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a90159/pitt-jolie-avoid-meeting-aniston-at-bash.html)
http://thebosh.com/archives/2008/02/brad_pitt_and_angelina_jolie_avoid_embarrassing_meeting_with_jennifer_aniston.php (http://thebosh.com/archives/2008/02/brad_pitt_and_angelina_jolie_avoid_embarrassing_meeting_with_jennifer_aniston.php)
On the iheartjake message board you can find a pic of Jake at the party. :)
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Jake attended the pre Oscar party on Saturday:
http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a90159/pitt-jolie-avoid-meeting-aniston-at-bash.html (http://www.digitalspy.co.uk/showbiz/a90159/pitt-jolie-avoid-meeting-aniston-at-bash.html)
http://thebosh.com/archives/2008/02/brad_pitt_and_angelina_jolie_avoid_embarrassing_meeting_with_jennifer_aniston.php (http://thebosh.com/archives/2008/02/brad_pitt_and_angelina_jolie_avoid_embarrassing_meeting_with_jennifer_aniston.php)
On the iheartjake message board you can find a pic of Jake at the party. :)
From that first link (what a non-sequitur, in purple!):
Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie have avoided coming face to face with Jennifer Aniston after failing to attend a pre-Oscars party.
The trio were expected to be among hosts at the Beverly Hills Hotel bash on Saturday, but Pitt and Jolie opted to visit the Film Independent Spirit Awards instead.
Celebrities including George Clooney, Jake Gyllenhaal, Seal and Heidi Klum joined Aniston at the party, where she stayed for around an hour.
She has reportedly had a number of eggs frozen to maximise her chances of having a baby at a later date.
A source told Star: "Having the eggs frozen was a really smart move for Jennifer, because it buys her a few years to figure things out before she rushes into having children.
"She's giving herself a big break from the intense pressure to find her Mr Right and start a family. She's in a good place now."
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But did he actually attend the Oscar's Sunday night?
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But did he actually attend the Oscar's Sunday night?
I didn't see any sign of him, nor Reese, either.
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I read an interview with Reese saying she wasn't going to be at the Oscars. The interview had to do with the premiere of "Penelope" (I think the film's name is) and I don't know why I read it - maybe to see if there was any mention of Jake. Reese Witherspoon otherwise doesn't interest me as an actress or person, based on what I've seen and read this far.
I almost commented at the time (just a couple of days ago, really) that perhaps Jake would be going to the Oscars then, since they seem to have this mysterious aversion towards being seen "officially" in public together.
Well, I hope Jake had fun at the pre-Oscar party.
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I almost commented at the time (just a couple of days ago, really) that perhaps Jake would be going to the Oscars then, since they seem to have this mysterious aversion towards being seen "officially" in public together.
Yeah, I really wonder what is up with that. Why don't they own up to the fact that they are together? Nothing is keeping them from doing that, right? Reese is officially not married anymore. In a way, it really annoys me, and it makes me think that it's not that serious between them. I mean if you are in love, who cares if the press sees you together at official things?
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well if nobody minds my putting in my two cents, I know that Jake was on the host list for the Night Before party, and was assumed, at least, to be at that event anyhow. It is easy to speculate that "they don't want to be seen together" or that they are doing something in some sort of intentional way but that may just as easily not be the case.
Outside of promotional events for his films I don't know that Jake has ever really sought out paparazzi attention. That being said, I saw an item on Gawker that showed him walking to his car with a crossword puzzle in his hand. So he is still out and about - maybe she's busy with her children!
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I don't feel that it's pure speculation, Louise. We may just have to agree to disagree there. They've been dating since filming Rendition and thereabouts, and it's months and months since Reese's divorce became final, and yet there's not been one single pic as far as I know of events with them together which they attended - officially - as a couple.
All there is are some pap pics that are non of our business, to that I would agree....
Given the level of events they attend or are likely to attend on the basis of their Hollywood "status" and roles etc. it can't be a coincidence that they never appear together. Couples normally do go out together, when they have a chance to, - in Hollywood and in Real Boring Ordinary Life where I live - so it has to be deliberate on their part. And that to me is odd, when we're talking two unattached eligible adults. It's not as if they need sneak around and try to hide their relationship from the world.
Yes, it's none of my business, but nothing concerning anything Jake or others do off screen is my business, so this is not special in that regard.
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I think there's a big difference between being photographed by a pap than on the red carpet. Paparazzis tend to have powerful lenses and take your picture from a far, so it is possible that Jake and Reese not always notice they're being photographed while out on the streets. Even in those pictures in which they appear looking at the camera, it may not be so. In the red carpet however, journalist are allowed to ask questions. That's why the whole red carpet business is all about (besides showing the latest fashion). IMO Reese and Jake are avoiding being seen together on red carpets because they don't want to talk publicly about their relationship. Sure, they can say "no comment" but they're going to be pressed somehow into speaking or are going to be portrayed as mean for refusing to answer. Many hollywood couple show up separately at these events to avoid this sort of questioning, but that does not mean they aren't together. Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz are a recent example. She showed up alone at the Oscars and he went with his mama and his brother. He did not allow anyone to take a picture of him with Penelope. However, a journalist for El Pais who was assigned to cover the Oscars told about Penelope and Javier being a couple and all at the Oscars after parties.
Edit to add: Some celebrities go to these events because they're required to by contract but stay and hour or so. Reese looks like the kind of person who would that. She shows up, smiles at the cameras, goes inside, shakes hands with the important people, and heads home.
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Javier Bardem and Penelope Cruz are a recent example. She showed up alone at the Oscars and he went with his mama and his brother. He did not allow anyone to take a picture of him with Penelope. However, a journalist for El Pais who was assigned to cover the Oscars told about Penelope and Javier being a couple and all at the Oscars after parties.
Are they a couple? I thought they were friends? I thought I read somewhere that he lives in Spain with his long-term girlfriend Cristina?
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Are they a couple? I thought they were friends? I thought I read somewhere that he lives in Spain with his long-term girlfriend Cristina?
According to the press here they're a couple. He was living with Cristina in 2003, but apparently they broke up. He dated for a while another Spanish actress: Belen Rueda who stared with him in The Sea Inside. I have run into Javier Bardem many times in the street, doing different things. He seems to live somewhere near my building because I have seen him in the supermarket, the movie theater, in the bars with his friends, having a coffee at a bar near here, and always by himself or a male friends. Never ever with a woman. That doesn't mean anything of course but for a while I thought he was single. Since he's been linked to Penelope Cruz I haven't seen him anywhere.
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According to the press here they're a couple. He was living with Cristina in 2003, but apparently they broke up. He dated for a while another Spanish actress: Belen Rueda who stared with him in The Sea Inside. I have run into Javier Bardem many times in the street, doing different things. He seems to live somewhere near my building because I have seen him in the supermarket, the movie theater, in the bars with his friends, having a coffee at a bar near here, and always by himself or a male friends. Never ever with a woman. That doesn't mean anything of course but for a while I thought he was single. Since he's been linked to Penelope Cruz I haven't seen him anywhere.
How cool that you have tun into him several times. I was amazed to see pics of him from premieres and realise he's quite handsome in a rugged way. I almost didn't believe he was the same person as in "No country for old men". Is he handsome in real life?
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How cool that you have tun into him several times. I was amazed to see pics of him from premieres and realise he's quite handsome in a rugged way. I almost didn't believe he was the same person as in "No country for old men". Is he handsome in real life?
No, I don't think he's especially handsome. He's got a big head and a thin body. But he is sexy. There's something about him that makes him sexy. He seems to be very nice and shy, but I don't know. I have never spoken to him, though he was once right next to me at the snack bar at the movie theater. I usually see him at the other side of the sidewalk, or far inside a bar. This is the only time I have been this close to him. Out of respect, I just pretended he was a regular folk. It was the late show so I imagined he went at that hour to avoid stares and people asking for autographs.
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Jake and Reese attend another party together:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5575701.html (http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/headline/features/5575701.html)
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He's got a big head and a thin body.
According to a friend of mine who's met/seen several out and about, this can be said about most actors, and of both genders. I bet he's short, too, hunh? :)
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According to a friend of mine who's met/seen several out and about, this can be said about most actors, and of both genders. I bet he's short, too, hunh? :)
Javier Bardem? No, he isn't a short man. He is tall for Spain standards. In the US he might be average. In fact, according to IMDb he's 6'.
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New Jake and Rees pics on iheartjake.com. ;)
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No recent news?
None!
Hugs! May you be Ok and happy Jake!!
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A pic taken today in Brentwood - I think this is a very cute couple! And who says Jake and Reese avoid being seen together? They are hugging!
(http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/photos/reese-jake-brentwood-walkers.jpg)
(http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/thumbnails/reese-jake-brentwood-2298-4.jpg)
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Is flannel back in?
;D
Daggone, I threw away all my flannel shirts a few years ago....
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Honey baby, he could wear a burlap sack and bring it in.
Cute, yes. But I can't help but notice how she seems like a tiny little mini-person compared to him.
I can get super thin (and have been and am heading in that direction again), but at 5'7", I'll never be confused with a tiny little mini-person.
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Honey baby, he could wear a burlap sack and bring it in.
Cute, yes. But I can't help but notice how she seems like a tiny little mini-person compared to him.
I can get super thin (and have been and am heading in that direction again), but at 5'7", I'll never be confused with a tiny little mini-person.
I agree, these photos make Reese look like a tiny, mini-person.
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There is something about those photos that make me feel good about Jake - he seems to be okay. and I am not worried about him as much now.
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There is something about those photos that make me feel good about Jake - he seems to be okay. and I am not worried about him as much now.
Me, too.
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It's the shirt, tan and blue, with black for mourning:
(http://www.celebrity-gossip.net/images/thumbnails/reese-jake-brentwood-2298-4.jpg)
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GOOD call, Elle!
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Jake and Reese in Farmer's market: http://www.flynetonline.com/2008/03/flowers-for-gyllenspoon/ (http://www.flynetonline.com/2008/03/flowers-for-gyllenspoon/)
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I don't know why I'm so fixated on this situation with Jake, but it's seeming more and more distressing to me. I think this has a lot to do with personal ideas and reactions to grief. But, I simply can't imagine missing a good friend's/ a best friend's funeral or memorial service. I really like Cate Blanchett and it's great that she was so involved. But, it just seems like such a huge omission to not have Jake there and actually playing a rather large role in the memorial. I guess I just don't get it.
This came up Thursday at a small gathering of Brokies in Portland. At some point, Jake is going to be publicly asked about Heath Ledger. Nor can he avoid questions about the importance of Brokeback Mountain to his career.
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March 12th, lunchtime. On my inaugural visit to Mozza on Highland and Melrose, I spotted a gaggle of celebs while stuffing my face with their signature pizza. Up from a table rose lanky Jamie Lee Curtis, wearing all blacks and greys and her signature spunky haircut. As my eyes traveled down to resume pizza-eating, I noticed two of the four sitting at the table that I presume she was sitting at - of all folks, Jake Gyllenhaal and Reese Witherspoon. JG was scruffy and terribly attractive, much more so in person than I expected, and stared at RW adoringly, snapping a few candids of her throughout the lunch with his digital camera. Cute couple.
http://defamer.com/368195/the-jake-and-reese-love-train-makes-a-stop-at-mozza (http://defamer.com/368195/the-jake-and-reese-love-train-makes-a-stop-at-mozza)
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This came up Thursday at a small gathering of Brokies in Portland. At some point, Jake is going to be publicly asked about Heath Ledger. Nor can he avoid questions about the importance of Brokeback Mountain to his career.
There's been an interesting little "hate Jake fest" going on at Live Journal over the past week of so. Apparently, Jake hasn't "performed" up to some fans' expectations.
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There's been an interesting little "hate Jake fest" going on at Live Journal over the past week of so. Apparently, Jake hasn't "performed" up to some fans' expectations.
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Performed as in Brokeback??
And regarding Heath's death, it must be difficult for him but it was enevitable. Poor Jake.
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Performed as in Brokeback??
And regarding Heath's death, it must be difficult for him but it was enevitable. Poor Jake.
I don't follow you. Are you saying Heath was a train wreck waiting to happen. His death came as a total shock to me.
No doubt, Jake must be aware that fans are disappointed that he hasn't commented on Heath's death. As I posted on IMDB.com, when he starts promoting BROTHERS, he's going to be asked questions by the media about Heath. It can't be avoided.
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Heath's dad, Michelle, Naomi Watts, Ang Lee, Daniel Day-Lewis...others.
Why not Jake? I think it's time he made a statement. If he doesn't feel like he can talk about it yet, he could release a written statement.
I know it's his own business, but it's hard to understand.
Maybe he feels that his loss is deeply personal and only shares his feelings with his family and Reese.
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Performed as in Brokeback??
No; performed as some of the "fans" expected him to. It seems that he committed the unforgiveable sin of going shopping, and being seen smiling in public. And apparently, he owes everyone a "statement" on demand, whether he and Heath were actually friends or not. It might well have been one of those workplace friendships, which tend to fade once the two friends are no longer working together.
Made me understand a little better why celebrities guard their privacy so zealously. Some of the people who claim to "love" them the most regard them as a hybrid of a commercial commodity and a trained circus poodle.
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No; performed as some of the "fans" expected him to. It seems that he committed the unforgiveable sin of going shopping, and being seen smiling in public. And apparently, he owes everyone a "statement" on demand, whether he and Heath were actually friends or not. It might well have been one of those workplace friendships, which tend to fade once the two friends are no longer working together.
Made me understand a little better why celebrities guard their privacy so zealously. Some of the people who claim to "love" them the most regard them as a hybrid of a commercial commodity and a trained circus poodle.
I agree ...It seems that those who decry the activities of the paps,, are the ones that
also are the most aggrivated by his lack of response..Its either one way or the other..You want
them to be left alone, with their privacy. Or you dont..and this falls under the catagory of the
privacy issues to the greatest amount yet.
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I don't know if i can agree with that "ifyoucan'tfixit".
I think you can release a statement through your PR. I believe that's how most of Heath's family, friends and co-stars did it. To me a statement would mean paying respect to a dead family member, friend or co-star. But of course Jake doesn't owe us a statement and there probably will be none and that we must accept!
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It really is interesting to see how much of an impact this uncertainty about Jake is having on Brokie fandom (for better or worse, it just simply is having an impact). And, it really seems true that as soon as he does emerge into the public eye again (officially) things in Brokie fandom will shift again.
I think you can release a statement through your PR. I believe that's how most of Heath's family, friends and co-stars did it. To me a statement would mean paying respect to a dead family member, friend or co-star. But of course Jake doesn't owe us a statement and there probably will be none and that we must accept!
And, I tend to agree with this point of view MilAn. A eulogy type of statement is entirely different from paparazzi intrusiveness into personal grief.
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It's funny how this subject keeps popping up, but I guess that's because the feelings of disappointment are pretty irrational, but strangely persistent as well.
To be perfectly honest, I actually feel disappointed in Jake, and I know it's completely irrational, but I feel like I will never feel the same about him again. That doesn't mean that I will defame him on websites or livejournals or join discussions that spread hatred about him. No way, it's just a private little feeling I have and I am not going to apologize for it. I can try to explain it, but it's probably too subconscious to really understand, let alone explain. I will still go and see his movies, I will still enjoy watching pictures of him, but it's all different now.
Am I still making sense?
It's maybe because I do feel that, as with all the other people who have spoken about Heath (people who did and didn't know him) or have given a statement, he could have at least done something, like post a little message on his official website. Even if it was only for the Brokies that he knows are out there and are hurting so bad and just want to know if he's OK.
I feel that it is perfectly OK to be a private person when you're an actor, and he is totally entitled to that. But throw us a bone every once in a while Jake, let us know you are still alive and a breathing and realizing that you have fans of the movies you have starred in.
To voice Forrest Gump: That's all I have to say about that.
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Hey Mel,
I understand what you mean, and I think you're completely entitled to feel how you feel without having to apologize or worry about it.
I do sort of wonder, through this whole particularly difficult phase these past several months, how Jake perceives his fan base and how particularly he understands his role amongst Brokeback fans. I mean, he must have some awareness of the special status he and Heath have amongst Brokie fans and also must be aware of the trauma going through this fan base.
And, I agree and keep saying that he doesn't necessarily owe anyone anything. But, still it would be nice to hear from him. And, I think he could change this newfound curiosity, uncertainty and ambivalence (and sometimes anger) in the Brokie fandom right now over this... in the blink of an eye.
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I agree ...It seems that those who decry the activities of the paps,, are the ones that
also are the most aggrivated by his lack of response..Its either one way or the other..You want
them to be left alone, with their privacy. Or you dont..and this falls under the catagory of the
privacy issues to the greatest amount yet.
I guess that's the reason why most people would rather be rich than famous. Fame can be like an abusive lover or spouse: beating the crap out of you and then bringing you flowers in the hospital.
As far as the Brokie fandom is concerned, IMO this is a sad indication that this story and movie might not have changed as many lives as we'd like to think.
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I guess that's the reason why most people would rather be rich than famous. Fame can be like an abusive lover or spouse: beating the crap out of you and then bringing you flowers in the hospital.
As far as the Brokie fandom is concerned, IMO this is a sad indication that this story and movie might not have changed as many lives as we'd like to think.
I wouldn't be too hard on Brokie fans. Everyone is still respectful towards Jake, i didn't see any abusive comments in here and i think his Brokie fans will still support him no matter what. But i think we are allowed to voice our opinions. He was a co-star, not in any movie, but in BBM, he is the godfather of Heath's daughter and that's why many Brokeback fans wonder why doesn't he comment? Heath's family and other close friends and co-stars commented. There was so much sh*t written about Heath in the tabloids and i find it great from his family, friends and co-stars that they also list the positive things about him. They don't want him to be remembered for the mostly, in my opinion, made up nonsense. I feel they want to protect him. And i respect that!
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I can think of more good reasons for Jake NOT to make a statement of any kind, than for him to make a statement, and his reasons for not making a statement have more to do with his own career and its advancement. This is just like when actors and actresses are confronted by the media about who they are dating or marrying or whether there is something going on with a costar on the set of a movie: it isnt about his movie, it isn't about the production, it has nothing to do with the promotion of any films that are in release, and serves as a distraction to whatever PR is occurring on his film.
Neither Jake nor Reese has issued a statement about their relationship with one another, but at some point they ceased concealing it. There is absolutely no reason why he would release any formal statement about Heath with respect to any of his current professional work, and making any statement at all could provide distractions, as well as draw unwanted attention to him while he is actively making other films. This strikes me as very typical of Jake. When it does not have to do with his charity work or his films, he doesn't just "talk to the paps." They follow him everywhere as it is.
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I wouldn't be too hard on Brokie fans. Everyone is still respectful towards Jake, i didn't see any abusive comments in here and i think his Brokie fans will still support him no matter what. But i think we are allowed to voice our opinions. He was a co-star, not in any movie, but in BBM, he is the godfather of Heath's daughter and that's why many Brokeback fans wonder why doesn't he comment? Heath's family and other close friends and co-stars commented. There was so much sh*t written about Heath in the tabloids and i find it great from his family, friends and co-stars that they also list the positive things about him. They don't want him to be remembered for the mostly, in my opinion, made up nonsense. I feel they want to protect him. And i respect that!
Well said MilAn. I feel the same as always about Jake. I love him just like I always have him and Heath--as a Brokie and for all the other work they've done. I believe it's his business as to what he says and what he doesn't say. But all that doesn't stop me from wishing to hear from him. I don't think that is an indication that I haven't learned anything from the lessons of Brokeback Mountain.
And he wouldn't have to talk to the paps. That wouldn't be good. He could release a statement, as someone suggested, through his agent.
Thank-you, MilAn.
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Glad you agree with me Shasta! :)
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I don't understand why something happened on lj had to be brought here, I think this issue had been put aside on this forum already. That being said, I don't understand why people felt the need to defend Jake so vehemently for his silence. All the time, those who wanted to hear from Jake had never demanded him to give a speech or an interview to discuss about his relationship with Heath in depth. Just as many people have explained many times on this thread, on another forum, and on lj, all they wanted was a simple statement; Jake didn't even need to write it himself.
I am not one yearning for a statement from Jake, I do know what's going on with this subject on the BBM fandom. Apart from a few extreme comments, most people have expressed their disappointment or question in a civilized manner; why would some people always need to tell the others they shouldn't feel this or that way. The usual arguments are 'he doesn't owe us anything' or 'he must have a reason for keeping silent'. That's all true and I can see their points, but it's also nothing wrong with people wanting to hear from Jake. If BBM's lesson is about tolerance, why can't it be applied to both sides on this issue?!
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If BBM's lesson is about tolerance, why can't it be applied to both sides on this issue?!
Very true. Excellent point, yb.
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I completely agree that there's nothing at all wrong with folks hoping for a statement from Jake on this. In fact, I think it's very reasonable from the perspective of serious Brokies. And, I'm pretty much in the camp of folks who would really like to hear from Jake. For me, it would help produce some sense of "closure" for me. As it is, whether it's reasonable or not, I know that as a Brokie I'm personally waiting for Jake to do or say something.
But, I don't really see an analogy between the current "wait-and-see" ambiguity going on in terms of Jake and his reaction to Heath's passing and the "lessons" of BBM (of which, it could be argued there are many... the "lessons" of the film/story are just too complex).
But, I do think that Heath and Jake playing the two main roles in BBM is extraordinary (extraordinary in terms of cinematic history at least, and probably in terms of personal bond... given the evidence that Jake's Matilda's godfather, etc.). These two actors will always and forever be linked together in the public mind and in cinematic history for generations. And, now that Heath is gone, BBM is the most substantial and extraordinary film in Heath's short career... so, BBM takes on even greater proportions when Heath's career is considered on its own. It just seems important to have folks (and probably most importantly, Jake) from this extremely important film to Heath's enduring cinematic legacy, mark Heath's passing. So, in that sense, I think it's perfectly understandable why there's some confusion and even frustration about Jake's withdrawl from the scene to such an extreme degree and his lack of a eulogy type statement so far.
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atz75, I totally agree with everything you said.
About the lesson learned from BBM, I want to clarify that I threw in the 'tolerance' angle because it is what was claimed by those who are on Jake's side, not here but elsewhere. My point is that's a valid reasoning, but it should also go both ways.
Like I said in my previous post, I don't really care if Jake issued a statement or not (it wouldn't bring back Heath anyway). I can see both sides' arguments, but what irked me is some people's tendency to make those who wanted to hear from Jake feel bad or unreasonable to have such wish.
OK, that's all I've got to say about this issue. :)
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well that is just it. I don't see Jake as 'withdrawing from the scene' , I don't think there is a 'scene.' He has made several films since 'Brokeback.' And admittedly, he has had a hard time getting any good notices on them. And his viability as an actor, as someone who as frequently as not has the supporting role rather than the lead, depends upon his making new films, not resting on the laurels of an award-winning performance, as much as we loved that performance. Frankly I don't think Jake has as much invested in his role as Jack Twist as any of his fans do. If I were Jake I think I would be far more involved in the political import of his lead in 'Rendition' and 'Jarhead', considering his political activism. While he has gone on record as being content with his role as an icon for the gay community, Jack Twist is one role of many, and Heath Ledger, one co-star of many. I think his actions are completely consistent, in that he rarely has personal comments to make outside of public relations junkets for his films, or outside of his chosen charity activities. And I think his lack of a statement is quite purposeful: he wants those who follow his career to focus on his present roles, not his past ones, and he would rather keep his private life and private feelings private. It might also be noted that Maggie, who had scenes with Heath in his most recent completed film, has made no statement either. I believe that this is purposeful, due to how private they are as people.
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Personally for me, Jake and Heath became so intertwined,almost inseperable from Jack and Ennis due to BBM ,that it is hard to not hear anything from Jake.It is like I want that on screen love to translate into real life,friendship love.Ridiculous I know.
It is further complicated by Jake being Godfather to Heaths daughter.Something which would seem to indicate a friendship beyond the film.You would not normally nominate just a mere aquaintance to take on such an important role.I am godmother only to my best friends daughter.Like wise my dearest friends are god parents to my kids.
It is difficult then to understand why as a friend,not fellow actor no statement has been made.If the mother of my god daughter died and all kinds of things were being said about her,some of which were mere supposition, verging on scandelmongering, I would feel obliged to set the record straight.
This sounds like a criticism of Jake and it is not meant to.
If nothing else I am surprised he was not at the funeral,just to say a few words.That is usually what happens.A friend dies,you attend the funeral,and say some well meaning words from the heart.It is if nothing else a cleansing experience.Those words could then have been released to which ever media he preferred.No need to involve the more scandalous,thrill seeking mags.It could have been released to the more serious press publications.After all the funeral service in Australia was pretty private.
The only conclusion I can come to is ,maybe it was just too painful for him.And he prefered to lick his wounds in private.Or could be he just did not want to be put in the position where anything he said could be misconstrued.Perhaps he knew things about Heath that he did not want to accidentally slip out in an unguarded moment of distress. Who knows. And he may have thought that a statement issued by someone else on his behalf would have been criticised as well.As in why did you not say something personal yourself.
I think it is a pretty difficult call for him.One thing is for sure,the longer he leaves it the more difficult it becomes.I do not envy him.
I find myself asking the question,if it was him who had died,what would Heath have done.
One thing's for sure,I hope what ever the reason behind his silence he is in a good place in his head.He still occupies a space in my heart.Pity one of the other spaces is now empty.
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Many people here have speculated about why Jake hasn't made a statement and have also commented on the importance of his Brokie fans to his career. Maybe he doesn't realize just how large or devoted his Brokie fanbase is? Maybe he doesn't realize how disappointed many of you are? How about if you write and tell him so? Here's an address:
Jake Gyllenhaal
Creative Artists Agency
9830 Wilshire Boulevard
Beverly Hills, California 90212-1825
USA
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Yeah. I've written there before.
Sent a SASE and requested a picture. No reply.
Maybe I should be more persistent -- like Truman and Andy Dufresne.
Might work if everyone wrote.
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For me, the answer to the mystery is simple: he doesn't emote in public, and he isn't going to emote to the press either. Unfortunately that may also extend to fans of Brokeback as well. After all, Jake was Heath's friend - not ours, and doesn't answer to us.
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I had the same thought as Optom concerning what Heath would have done if things would have been the other way around. Would he have made a statement about Jake? I still do find it strange that Jake has said absolutely nothing and it appears that he will not. I actually did see Maggie speaking of Heath this past Friday on Entertainment Tonight. She was talking about what a great actor he was. Maybe we were all wrong in speculating that Heath and Jake were friends outside of BBM. It certainly does seem that Jake being Matilda's godfather meant something. Who knows, maybe it was Michelle who was actually the good friend and not Heath. Maybe it was her idea to have Jake as Matilda's godfather. I think sometimes that we as Brokies may want them to be good friends in real life because their roles in BBM were so important to us. To think of them as not being friends at all and meaning nothing to each other is rather hard to think about. In some ways it shatters some of the mystique of those powerful scenes in BBM. However, we do have to remember that it was just a movie although in so many ways it transcends that. However, it can never be taken away from us how Heath and Jake did indeed bring the characters of Ennis and Jack to life. It truly does make me wonder though if Jake realized or ever realized how important that character of Jack was to so many of us. It seems that even an acknowledgment of Heath's passing would have been better than nothing.
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I had the same thought as Optom concerning what Heath would have done if things would have been the other way around. Would he have made a statement about Jake? I still do find it strange that Jake has said absolutely nothing and it appears that he will not. I actually did see Maggie speaking of Heath this past Friday on Entertainment Tonight. She was talking about what a great actor he was. Maybe we were all wrong in speculating that Heath and Jake were friends outside of BBM. It certainly does seem that Jake being Matilda's godfather meant something. Who knows, maybe it was Michelle who was actually the good friend and not Heath. Maybe it was her idea to have Jake as Matilda's godfather. I think sometimes that we as Brokies may want them to be good friends in real life because their roles in BBM were so important to us. To think of them as not being friends at all and meaning nothing to each other is rather hard to think about. In some ways it shatters some of the mystique of those powerful scenes in BBM. However, we do have to remember that it was just a movie although in so many ways it transcends that. However, it can never be taken away from us how Heath and Jake did indeed bring the characters of Ennis and Jack to life. It truly does make me wonder though if Jake realized or ever realized how important that character of Jack was to so many of us. It seems that even an acknowledgment of Heath's passing would have been better than nothing.
Thank you. You put it in words much better, because even though I thought I had explained it pretty clearly in my previous post, there are obviously still people who either don't get what I say or don't read what I say carefully enough. That doesn't matter, I will drop this thing now and never come back to it, because it's a senseless discussion anyway. It shouldn't even be a damn discussion, but that's what people are making out of it, even blaming people for not valuing the lesson of Brokeback Mountain. What crap.
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I had the same thought as Optom concerning what Heath would have done if things would have been the other way around. Would he have made a statement about Jake? I still do find it strange that Jake has said absolutely nothing and it appears that he will not. I actually did see Maggie speaking of Heath this past Friday on Entertainment Tonight. She was talking about what a great actor he was.
Well, there's a movie coming up where both Heath and Maggie are in so I'm not surprised she actually spoke about him. Heath is one of the leading actors of Batman so speaking about him it is probably mandatory and expected. In fact, I actually expect her to speak more about Heath in the months to come, when the movie promotion actually begins.
Also, Daniel Day Lewis, Naomi Watts and even Maggie had the ocassion to say something about Heath. They all did it duing interviews and awards ceremonies. When Jake's new movie Brothers is released he'll probably say something because as the lead actor he will have to give out interviews, and I am pretty sure journalists will not miss the opportunity to ask him about Heath.
I personally think it'd be an act of disrespect to Heath's family and even to Michelle if Jake had given out a public statement about Heath's death, considering how private Heath was. Jake is a smart man and I'm sure he knows what he's doing. The important people here are Heath and his family, not us. Jake had to show respect to them not to us. Just my 2 cents.
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Thank you. You put it in words much better, because even though I thought I had explained it pretty clearly in my previous post, there are obviously still people who either don't get what I say or don't read what I say carefully enough. That doesn't matter, I will drop this thing now and never come back to it, because it's a senseless discussion anyway. It shouldn't even be a damn discussion, but that's what people are making out of it, even blaming people for not valuing the lesson of Brokeback Mountain. What crap.
I don't think people are criticising the way you feel about this issue, but pretty much stating their opinion.
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I don't think people are criticising the way you feel about this issue, but pretty much stating their opinion.
Who said anything about criticism? I didn't. I was just wondering if people actually read what I wrote before stumbling back into that weeks-old and chewed out discussion.
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Well, there's a movie coming up where both Heath and Maggie are in so I'm not surprised she actually spoke about him. Heath is one of the leading actors of Batman so speaking about him it is probably mandatory and expected. In fact, I actually expect her to speak more about Heath in the months to come, when the movie promotion actually begins.
Also, Daniel Day Lewis, Naomi Watts and even Maggie had the ocassion to say something about Heath. They all did it duing interviews and awards ceremonies. When Jake's new movie Brothers is released he'll probably say something because as the lead actor he will have to give out interviews, and I am pretty sure journalists will not miss the opportunity to ask him about Heath.
I personally think it'd be an act of disrespect to Heath's family and even to Michelle if Jake had given out a public statement about Heath's death, considering how private Heath was. Jake is a smart man and I'm sure he knows what he's doing. The important people here are Heath and his family, not us. Jake had to show respect to them not to us. Just my 2 cents.
yes, that is pretty much what I am getting at. Jake has not said anything to anybody in the press, about anything from what I can determine, and won't until he is doing press for a film.
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yes, that is pretty much what I am getting at. Jake has not said anything to anybody in the press, about anything from what I can determine, and won't until he is doing press for a film.
I think when death is concerned it should be different. There are many other friends and co-stars who are as private as Jake who commented on Heath's death via statement when asked, and i'm sure Jake was among those contacted by the press. Not every statement came frome public appearances, like Ang Lee's first beautiful tribute, it was released by his PR.
Just a few days ago, press contacted Jake to ask him where his foot injury came from, his PR replied immediately that it was an accident happend during a basketball game! In this case he didn't ignore the press!
Oh, just wanted to add that i added more quotes from friends and co-stars in the Heath tributes thread. Check it out! :)
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This does not constitute "latest" news. But, I was googling about Jake to find out why he's been spotted with crutches recently. And found myself on the Wikipedia page for Jake (something I've never looked at before... yes, it's a slow day at work today).
Anyway, there's a section on the rather extensive page for him about "family" and it's interesting to note how large a role the concept of "godparent" seems to have played in Jake's life (including but also beyond the situation with Matilda). I know Wikipedia is not the most reliable of sources. But, I thought this was interesting enough to bring over here... For what it's worth:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Gyllenhaal (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jake_Gyllenhaal)
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Family
Gyllenhaal's sister Maggie is engaged to actor Peter Sarsgaard, Gyllenhaal's co-star in Jarhead and Rendition. Gyllenhaal's niece, Ramona Sarsgaard, was born on October 3, 2006. In December, 2006, Jake and his sister escaped a fire that destroyed Manka's, a famed lodge and restaurant in Inverness, California, at which they were vacationing.[51] Jamie Lee Curtis is Gyllenhaal's godmother,[4] and he has repeatedly referred to his godfathers being a gay couple.[52][53] Gyllenhaal himself is the godfather of Matilda Rose Ledger (born October 28, 2005), daughter of Heath Ledger and Michelle Williams, both of whom co-starred with him in Brokeback Mountain.[54] His uncle, Anders Gyllenhaal, is the executive editor of The Miami Herald. His late uncle is filmmaker Robert Achs.
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Atz he supposedly hurt his leg playing basketball, but he is fine now, there are new pictures of him (without crutches) and Reese (who is not pictured) on http://www.iheartjake.com/ (http://www.iheartjake.com/) attending a private service in L.A. You can also check out the iheartjake.com forum for the new pics, you have to register.
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for anyone who is registered on LJ, I have written an essay on Jake and the aftermath of Heath's death, if you would like to read it. Registered LJ users are welcome to comment on my LJ.
http://louisev.livejournal.com/262111.html
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for anyone who is registered on LJ, I have written an essay on Jake and the aftermath of Heath's death, if you would like to read it. Registered LJ users are welcome to comment on my LJ.
http://louisev.livejournal.com/262111.html
I think you made some very valid points as well as ones I agree with in your story on LJ. Beyond the fact that Jake is Matilda's Godfather there is nothing else to prove that there was any friendship between Heath and Jake. Even the fact that Jake is Matilda's Godfather does not mean that the two of them were friends. As I said earlier it could be that Jake and Michelle are actually the ones who are friends and it may have been her idea to make Jake the Godfather. Since there are no facts that we know of everything just becomes speculation. However, regardless of what they were in real life that will not change what they were in Brokeback Mountain. Because their performances were so spectacular in portraying Ennis and Jack it truly is hard to separate the characters from the actors. I think it would have been wonderful if somehow Heath and Jake could have been that close to each other in real life. For us the fans, it would have been like the happy ending we did not get from the movie. However, everything suggests that there was nothing between them in real life except coworkers in a movie. Of course again there are no facts to back anything up.
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
He hasn,t acknowledged it publically as far as we know, but we don,t know what he,s said privately do we?
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He hasn,t acknowledged it publically as far as we know, but we don,t know what he,s said privately do we?
No, and since we don't, then why is this thread part of the Heath Rememberance Forum? He's upset quite a few of us with his silence and it just seems insensitive to include this here.
Anyway, I don't want to make a big deal out of this, I just thought it was strange.
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
I don't know... :-\ Because we're still waiting?
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
Oh, I'm sure he has. Just not publicly. :(
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Elle and I debated if this topic should be here and decided to leave it because we were too grief stricken to fight the battle that would have resulted in moving it. I am emotionally prepared to to deal with it now and feel comfortable keeping it. It developed, and continues, as a result of Heath's passing. Whether or not he publicly comments on Heath, Jake is a big part of our Heath experience so I think it makes sense that discussion be allowed to continue in this forum.
:-*roux
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this is a very good place for information about Jake G. I have every confidence that Jake is grief stricken and dealing with the loss of Heath in the best way possible for him. :)
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
IMO because whether we agree or disagree, like or dislike how Jake has expressed or not expressed his grief, publically or privately, he was a part of Heath's life and will forever be associated with him.
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Since Jake hasn't even acknowledged Heath's passing, why is this thread in the Heath Rememberance Forum? ???
I guess my answer to this question is - because that's where it was started. We don't move threads around all that much, and rarely without the consent of the the thread-starter.
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Thanks for the replies (and for not jumping down my throat). I still don't think it belongs though, somehow the Heath Remembrance forum doesn't seem like the right one to turn to for the latest activities of Jake and
his beard Reese, with or without crutches ;) (I know, I'm incorrigible...)
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Thanks for the replies (and for not jumping down my throat). I still don't think it belongs though, somehow the Heath Remembrance forum doesn't seem like the right one to turn to for the latest activities of Jake and his beard Reese, with or without crutches ;) (I know, I'm incorrigible...)
I am familiar with the term "beard" and why it is usually used. I am puzzled as to why you would use it in the context of the Jake / Reese relationship?
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I am familiar with the term "beard" and why it is usually used. I am puzzled as to why you would use it in the context of the Jake / Reese relationship?
Because rumor runs rampant that Jake is closeted gay.
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Since this thread is in the Heath Remembrance Forum, when I click the thread I would expect to read posts that are Heath-related. I have no problems with posts reporting Jake's shopping trips, vacationing and running errands, but is it possible that they be posted in the 'Jake, Jake, Jake' thread under the 'Chez Tremblay' forum? Just a suggestion.
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OK, OK, I admit I'm pissed off at Jake and I childishly lashed out (sort of) but I got it out of my system now and I feel much better.
Thank you for your understanding and my apologies if I offended anyone. I love you guys :)
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Oilgun I just plain love you and would never think of flaming you for reacting out of a broke heart. As long as this doesn't turn into JakeJakeJake part deux, one topic won't change the rotation of the Earth. At some point, conversation about Jake's lack of commentary will follow the same trajectory as most of HLRF.
roux
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WE LOVE YOU Jake G. !!
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WE LOVE YOU Jake G. !!
Let's not go crazy, now. ;)
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Let's not go crazy, now. ;)
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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WE love you Jake G.!
HUGS to you!!
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My apologies for not posting for a while. I would just like to weigh in on the fact that Jake hasn't, at least so far made any comment regarding Heath's death. My own humble opinion is that he is "damned if he does, and damned if if he doesn't". He is dealing with his grief in his own way, and I'm sure he will have some appropriate comment, IN HIS OWN TIME. I can just see the media trying to make more of any comment he makes than is necessary. Hence the reason for his apparent reticence, at the present time. He will, I'm sure reveal his true feelings in his own dignified way, at an APPROPRIATE TIME. I only wish him and Reese all the best, as they try to have some semblance of a "nornal life". I can't say any more.
I'm right behind you, Jake.
The Wings
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Because rumor runs rampant that Jake is closeted gay.
Sorry for being OT, but i don't think that's the case at all. I have a feeling that Jake is genuinely in love with Reese. This rumor is probably made up by Ted Casablanca from E Online!
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My apologies for not posting for a while. I would just like to weigh in on the fact that Jake hasn't, at least so far made any comment regarding Heath's death. My own humble opinion is that he is "damned if he does, and damned if if he doesn't". He is dealing with his grief in his own way, and I'm sure he will have some appropriate comment, IN HIS OWN TIME. I can just see the media trying to make more of any comment he makes than is necessary. Hence the reason for his apparent reticence, at the present time. He will, I'm sure reveal his true feelings in his own dignified way, at an APPROPRIATE TIME. I only wish him and Reese all the best, as they try to have some semblance of a "nornal life". I can't say any more.
I'm right behind you, Jake.
The Wings
I'm afraid the 'appropriate time' has come and gone. Also, when a friend and colleague dies should one even be concerned about how the media deal with your tribute or expression of grief? I think Jake has made a horrible mistake and it has lost him many fans. I can't imagine what he could say at this point that would not make him look disingenuous and unfeeling.
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I agree with oilgun that the appropriate time for a tribute has passed. I don't think it cost him fans though, but some Brokies are sure disappointed. There is no other choice than to accept it and move on.
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Oh, it has certainly caused him some fans. The poop storm over his silence has raged far and wide and done some ugly damage in different fan communities. I don't agree with his choice but support his right to choose his own path. My feelings about him haven't changed because of his silence but they have definitely changed.
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Well, I look at it a little differently. Those who are his fans do not turn against him just because of Heath, there are other incidents prior to this that affected their feelings of Jake, Heath's death is only an additional factor; but even so, I don't think there are too many of them.
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Well, I look at it a little differently. Those who are his fans do not turn against him just because of Heath, there are other incidents prior to this that affected their feelings of Jake, Heath's death is only an additional factor; but even so, I don't think there are too many of them.
I agree, fans who were his fans before BBM really don't think about the lack of tribute too much really. Like i said it's some Brokies who are disappoined, but i don't think at all it cost him fans. I visit a few well known blogs and everytime a picture of Jake is posted mostly very positve comments are written. Maybe the people who write "it cost him fans" visit mainly BBM centered sites and of course there will be some disappointed fans (I admit i'm a bit disappointed), but that doesn't mean we stopped being fans.
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It's just interesting and disheartening to see how long this particular question/discussion/debate/frustration is dragging on. This is such a preoccupation on the Jake-side of the Brokie fan base now (I mean just look at how many Jake-related threads on this site alone have been taken over by this issue... and even HHH was briefly dealing with this "hot topic" too). I really, truly do hope that it doesn't impact the Brokie community negatively in the long term. Clearly both Heath and Jake fans are really important components of these Brokie communities, so it would be so nice if some peace could be found over this.
But, it's the question of not knowing that I think is causing the main frustration and is the spur to the long, drawn-out nature of these discussions.
I do agree that Jake has made a blunder here and I'm more baffled by it than disappointed. And, it doesn't mean that I don't like Jake. Quite the contrary... if I didn't care about him than I wouldn't be worrying about this question at all.
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Ce samedi, je t'aime Jake G.!
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This Saturday, I love you Jake G.!
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It's just interesting and disheartening to see how long this particular question/discussion/debate/frustration is dragging on. This is such a preoccupation on the Jake-side of the Brokie fan base now (I mean just look at how many Jake-related threads on this site alone have been taken over by this issue... and even HHH was briefly dealing with this "hot topic" too). I really, truly do hope that it doesn't impact the Brokie community negatively in the long term. Clearly both Heath and Jake fans are really important components of these Brokie communities, so it would be so nice if some peace could be found over this.
But, it's the question of not knowing that I think is causing the main frustration and is the spur to the long, drawn-out nature of these discussions.
I do agree that Jake has made a blunder here and I'm more baffled by it than disappointed. And, it doesn't mean that I don't like Jake. Quite the contrary... if I didn't care about him than I wouldn't be worrying about this question at all.
Well, see this is the problem and why this is still under discussion. Jake blundered? How? For all we know - and we don't know - Jake may have expressed his grief quite openly and clearly to Heath's family and Michelle, but privately. No blunder and perfectly normal and perfectly acceptable.
What seems to be at issue is how he dealt with the public - the fans. Here I think we're presumptuous to judge him on what he did or didn't do. It was unusual for him not to make a public statement, but to expect a "tribute" is a bit much. The choice of his actions was entirely his and I don't consider his not making a public gesture a "mistake" or a "blunder". What he did was quite intentional and for his own reasons which I will not deem to judge. People deal with grief in different ways and Jake has it harder than most considering he is an actor. So whatever he did was right for him and fans need to be more accepting of this. It wasn't their friend who died.
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Well, I look at it a little differently. Those who are his fans do not turn against him just because of Heath, there are other incidents prior to this that affected their feelings of Jake, Heath's death is only an additional factor; but even so, I don't think there are too many of them.
That is certainly the case with me. I was never a hardcore Jake fan. I loved DONNY DARKO almost DESPITE Jake, his eyes kind of creeped me out at the time. I only became a fan after BbM. His Jack made me want to see his other films, which I did and mostly enjoyed them. I went to see JARHEAD and ZODIAC partly because he was in it and thought he was good in them. It was different with Heath, I became an instant convert after seeing his Sonny in MONSTER'S BALL, Ennis just sealed the deal.
Also, Jake was already on shaky grounds with me since his unfortunate performance on SNL, which I thought undid any good that BbM may had done in breaking down gay stereotypes. That was a BIG disappointment. So yes, his silence is just another incident and it's serious enough to sever any remaining allegiance I may have had.
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I know i repeat myself so often, but i have to add my two cents here too. I think Michelle, his family, friends and colleagues felt, despite the pain they were in, the need to pay tribute to him. Gossip rags are still full of mostly false stories about Heath and paying tribute, saying what a great and talented guy Heath was is a wonderful counterpart and everyone who loved and respected him wanted the public to know the positive stuff too. I really don't think it was harder for Jake to pay tribute than it was for his family and the mother of Heath's child. And maybe i agree with atz that i'm rather baffled than disappointed because of the lack of tribute, gesture to a friend and co-star.
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Because rumor runs rampant that Jake is closeted gay.
yes, I have heard rumors repeated about this matter. But, since Jake himself has indicated that he is not gay, why not just accept his version?
I have a very stong belief that if Jake were gay or bisexual, he would have no problem revealing this and then he would move on with his life. :)
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I know i repeat myself so often, but i have to add my two cents here too. I think Michelle, his family, friends and colleagues felt, despite the pain they were in, the need to pay tribute to him. Gossip rags are still full of mostly false stories about Heath and paying tribute, saying what a great and talented guy Heath was is a wonderful counterpart and everyone who loved and respected him wanted the public to know the positive stuff too. I really don't think it was harder for Jake to pay tribute than it was for his family and the mother of Heath's child. And maybe i agree with atz that i'm rather baffled than disappointed because of the lack of tribute, gesture to a friend and co-star.
And herein lies the gist of some folks' disappointment. We don't know why Jake has remained silent on the subject and when push comes to shove, he doesn't owe anyone anything. But-and it's a big butt (not unlike my own) Jake lives in the public eye, by choice, and employs people to manage his public persona. It is absolutely true that his fan base grew tremendously as a result of Brokeback Mountain, a fact that he was very clear in acknowledging, and that fan base has some cranked out people in it. To issue a statement, and I'm not talking tearful interviews on Oprah, seems to me to be little to do by "his people".
As for his fans, to suggest that his "true fans" aren't judging his actions is showing a lack of understanding of how profoundly some people have been disappointed. I know some people who loved him hard and are pretty broken hearted about this. And whether they (we) knew him or not doesn't minimize or invalidate their grief.
I don't see this even remotely as an issue of how people handle their grief. Unlike most of us, people in the public eye have staff that manage their PR and are capable dealing with these types of issues. And not to compare his sadness to anyone else that had a relationship with Heath, as MilAn stated others were able to say, or have said, some little word about it. It seems obvious, at least to me, that he deliberately chose not to do this and must have a good reason for it. He has never appeared to be a jerk so I have to give him the benefit of the doubt regarding his actions. I do, however, see it as a blunder in the sense that perhaps his PR people did not anticipate the backlash that would result.
As for why this discussion continues-well, Jake's supporters will continue to feel the need to defend him against perceived attacks to his character and motivation. And that is how it should be.
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Rouxb, you're doing it again! but thanks anyway. ;)
But-and it's a big butt (not unlike my own)
I nearly spilled my sunday morning coffee over my computer!! :laugh:
I agree with the rest of your post btw.
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Love you Jake G. !
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HEATH AND JAKE :'(
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What seems to be at issue is how he dealt with the public - the fans. Here I think we're presumptuous to judge him on what he did or didn't do. It was unusual for him not to make a public statement, but to expect a "tribute" is a bit much. The choice of his actions was entirely his and I don't consider his not making a public gesture a "mistake" or a "blunder". What he did was quite intentional and for his own reasons which I will not deem to judge. People deal with grief in different ways and Jake has it harder than most considering he is an actor. So whatever he did was right for him and fans need to be more accepting of this. It wasn't their friend who died.
I couldn't agree more.
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LOVE you to-day too Jake G. !
Hugs!