No. Jess got booted out of here, so she went and started her own community. Many of the conservatives followed because:
- we like Jess
- our POVs tend to cause flame wars over here
- some felt that our conservative threads were being hijacked
- some of felt that moderators were not treating them fairly
- nobody goes after the person when they run out of ideas on the topic
- no gay dogma, or leftist preaching
- no crybabies, no drama queens, no sissies, and no misandry
No. Jess got booted out of here, so she went and started her own community. Many of the conservatives followed because:
- we like Jess
- our POVs tend to cause flame wars over here
- some felt that our conservative threads were being hijacked
- some of felt that moderators were not treating them fairly
- nobody goes after the person when they run out of ideas on the topic
- no gay dogma, or leftist preaching
- no crybabies, no drama queens, no sissies, and no misandry
Well, I'm glad you found a place more to your liking.
However, I must say the copying of our very posts from here , onto that site for ridicule is a
little disturbing. Not to mention unfair.
But...... shit happens.
;)
I've been quoted. How flattering!
http://retreat.smfforfree.com/index.php/topic,316.msg4914.html#msg4914
I suggest we get this thread back on topic. I don't know the best place to discuss the issue of post-copying and off-site personal attacks that has come up, but for sure it's not in this thread. Let's move past it and return to the topic at hand.
Thanks,
Meryl
Co-Mod, Current Events Forum
However, I must say the copying of our very posts from here , onto that site for ridicule is a
little disturbing. Not to mention unfair.
I agree, Meryl. Let's move on and get back on topic. Before doing so, however, could I request that milomorris' post that relates to crybabies, drama queens and sissies please be amended to delete the final dot point? It may not be a personal attack, but it is most certainly an attack and has no place here at BetterMost.
If I understand correctly there is a new Blog or site created by former Bettermost member Jess (injest) where it members, those who self-identify as “conservative” can discuss whatever topic they like without fear of opposition or contradiction?
Hey...life is unfair, and we don't exist to make you happy. Get used to it.
Well, I'm glad you found a place more to your liking.
However, I must say the copying of our very posts from here , onto that site for ridicule is a
little disturbing. Not to mention unfair.
But...... shit happens.
I posted that link to the other forum because, as someone mentioned, posts from this forum were being held up to ridicule by people who feel that a recent expulsion was due to the poster's political views or to "honesty". The moderators haven't taken me into their confidence about that and there's no reason they should; however, as someone who's been posting in this part of the forum for awhile I can attest to a long period where thread after thread after thread quickly degenerated into a screamfest. And in a very high percentage of those cases the conversation started out cordially until one or two participants started picking fights, tossing out personal and quasi-personal insults (e.g., coy references to "libs", "sissies", deliberately misspelling posters' names, etc.) and other disruptive actions only marginally related to the subject. And IMO that's the reason for the expulsion.
And oh, BTW, we can probably add "no Muslims" to "no crybabies, no drama queens, no sissies, and no misandry" judging from the samples I've read.
You know what, I left Bettermost a while ago because of this uncaring cruel attitude towards people.
But having signed on and looked around "The Retreat" I had to come back and tell you exactly what I think of the behaviour over there.
It is appalling >:( ... and all of you at the retreat should be ashamed of yourselves. :-\
Discussing people in a constructive manner is one thing but taking nasty little cheap potshots at them is quite another. And doing so in a place where people can see what you've written about them but are unable to defend themselves is cruel and incredibly cowardly .... I'm pretty sure you've done it deliberately to upset and hurt people ....one of the comments in your "private or public" thread suggests just that.
I guess Gary should be flattered that you can't stop thinking about him. He is a wonderful kind caring funny sensitive man, and if you weren't so blinded by your own bitter hatred you would see that too.
SHAME ON YOU ALL!!!! >:(
Susiebell
And cowardly?
You know what, I left Bettermost a while ago because of this uncaring cruel attitude towards people.
No more cowardly than copying and pasting a post from any other blog like DailyKos, HuffPo, Bilerico, AfterElton, etc., etc., and discussing it here where the author is not available to defend themselves.
It is cowardly when you cut and paste threads from this site, sneer at them and then make it so others aren't able to respond. That is cowardly and really sort of pathetic.
It's called boredom.
Sometimes people just want to fight.
You know what they say....... the people you talk about the most are the ones you are jealous of and see
as a threat.
;)
It is cowardly when you cut and paste threads from this site, sneer at them and then make it so others aren't able to respond. That is cowardly and really sort of pathetic.
I honestly am not understanding what the difference is between cross-posting from here and "sneering," and pasting something from any other blog and discussing/analyzing/criticizing it without the author's knowledge or feedback. Why is one acceptable, and the other not??
You guys are the greatest. Thanks so much Marie and Bailey. :-* :-*
The author(s) of those articles copied and posted here are probably flattered that someone chose to discuss his/her missives. If not, why write them and put them out there in the first place? Besides, whether the authors know that we're supposedly cutting their articles to shreads does not stop them from coming here and defending themselves. They can do that. Posting threads from this site to The "retreat" and allowing others to read catty comments about those threads/posters but blocking people from responding is cowardly and pathethic.
Good points, Marie. And there's something else that I'd like to point out. Posts from sites like Hoffpo, etc. have generally been polished and worked on until the author is satisfied with them and relatively sure they are making their case clearly. Posts here are generally part of an ongoing discussion. They are usually not meant to be the final word in what someone thinks about a particular topic.
OK. So its not the cross-posting and conversation going on over there, its the fact that others are prohibited from participating. That I can understand. Maybe its not "fair." But I don't think its reasonable for anyone here to expect that Jess is going to let you in after being kicked off this board. She's allowed to pick and chose who her friends are.
Yes, Gary, you're right. And to add to that, we're a community and were once friends (for the most part) until discussing our political leanings polairized some of us. The people whose articles we posted here to discuss we didn't know from adam and were not friends, part of our community.
Good points, Marie. And there's something else that I'd like to point out. Posts from sites like Hoffpo, etc. have generally been polished and worked on until the author is satisfied with them and relatively sure they are making their case clearly. Posts here are generally part of an ongoing discussion. They are usually not meant to be the final word in what someone thinks about a particular topic.
Milo, I think you are missing the point.
For me, my issue is I feel betrayed by members here that take my posts over there for the
simple purpose of mocking me as an individual.
I'm not missing the point, this is the first time I've heard you articulate the point. So you feel betrayed. That's an answer.
Would you trust that person again? Even want to communicate with them?
Nope.
I think I'm correct in saying that everyone who has been criticized over there already has some negative history with the individuals posting the criticism. So it doesn't seem to me that there is any love lost. Who knows, though...I could be wrong about that.
If these same people were sitting across from you at your kitchen table, and you had a discussion with them over a cup of coffee, you might get a different impression of where they stand and what they think.
Opposition and contradiction were never the problem. Retribution is the problem.
1. What about people who post the author's article, along with the readers' comments from said blog? Aren't those comments the same type of conversational posts that we get here?
2. I'm not sure why the lack of polish should matter. People have to learn that this is the Internet, and your posts--no matter how--off-the-top-of-the-head are being made public. If one is not communicating clearly, and that is causing misunderstandings or disagreements, take the time to clarify. I think most of us here do that already.
why do they care?
I honestly am not understanding what the difference is between cross-posting from here and "sneering," and pasting something from any other blog and discussing/analyzing/criticizing it without the author's knowledge or feedback. Why is one acceptable, and the other not??
I couldn't agree more, personally. I don't give a damn what anyone might copy of mine and discuss on the other site. If anything, it's flattering that people who have left or semi-quit BetterMost are still all abuzz over stuff that gets posted here. Have at it! :)
Seems odd, and kind of sad, that the members wouldn't have enough to say to each other to keep a conversation going without relying on Bettermost. I guess it's hard to move on.
I think the difference is that we know each other
I understand what you mean, but I doubt that we really do know each other. This is the Internet after all.
I couldn't agree more, personally. I don't give a damn what anyone might copy of mine and discuss on the other site. If anything, it's flattering that people who have left or semi-quit BetterMost are still all abuzz over stuff that gets posted here. Have at it! :)
You're right. 'Know' as in as much as we can 'know' without BM turning into a dating site. ;D
Yup. And nobody should assume anything even remotely resembling gravity, discretion, or prudence from people one meets online. You really don't know them. All one sees is pixels and text strings. Reality might possibly be quite different.
Exactly. It strikes me as peculiar, not to mention ironic, that someone would start a forum as a "retreat" from another forum, but then have the need to use quotes from the forum from which you supposedly "retreated" as fodder! :laugh: Seems odd, and kind of sad, that the members wouldn't have enough to say to each other to keep a conversation going without relying on Bettermost. I guess it's hard to move on.
There's plenty of fodder at places like Bilerico, and AfterElton to keep us going for years. At this point in time, Jess is focused on the noise being made here. After all, y'all did just kick her ass to the curb a few weeks ago. As time progresses, we will find other content to "sneer" at. Rest assured.
You're right. 'Know' as in as much as we can 'know' without BM turning into a dating site. ;D
As a defense of the mods here, Jess had a little something to do with ending up on that curb.
It takes two to tango ! :)
I am sure she will move on in time.
After all, y'all did just kick her ass to the curb a few weeks ago.
As time progresses, we will find other content to "sneer" at. Rest assured.
"Y'all"? "I" didn't kick anybody's ass anywhere. In fact, I wasn't even aware that she had been "kicked" anywhere at all until yesterday.
Oh, no need to assure me :) It doesn't matter to me who or what you find to "sneer" at - or if there's sneering taking place at all! :) As Katherine said: Have at it!
Actually, I know several people here, personally. I've had BM members as guests in my home, and I speak to a few regularly on the phone, which is why I'm all hot and bothered about my friends here being attacked.
I've met quite a few also.
Meryl, Rouxb, Lynne , Paul, Richard, Truman, Chuck, Jeff, John, Monika, Sophia,
Chrissi, Clarissa, Leslie, Mikaela .... I'm forgetting somebody, I know.
And, trust me, Meryl will bust my chops as fast as anyone elses when I get out of line.
;D
Karen
I've met people here who I consider friends for life.
I've met people here who I consider friends for life. Eric is a hoot, and good lookin' too!
I've met quite a few also.
Meryl, Rouxb, Lynne , Paul, Richard, Truman, Chuck, Jeff, John, Monika, Sophia,
Chrissi, Clarissa, Leslie, Mikaela .... I'm forgetting somebody, I know.
And, trust me, Meryl will bust my chops as fast as anyone elses when I get out of line.
;D
Karen
Scott, Janice, Janice's granddaughter...
L
Yes, and Jack !!!!
I knew I shouldn't have started naming people !! I figured I would get my ass in a crack !
:D :D :D :D :D
Hey, friend, I remember meeting you! And Adam as well!
Me too !!!!
I also have friends I met over other sites that I go and visit in NYC about every 3 months.
Oh, I know who I left out !!! SmellyKellyJay !!!
We visit and talk, and all because of a movie.
How great is that ?
"If you're not confused here, then you really don't know what's going on." :P
Yeah, we've already seen 'em with their cocks hangin' out, so why bother zippin' up now?
Sorry guys. We didin't mean to ruin your circle jerk.
Nasty Boy
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3hKrbyNZDcE[/youtube]
And now for something completely different...[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qHVVbYG8Y[/youtube]
I hope this provides a good laugh to our members here, and to those who are just looking in.
Actually, I know several people here, personally.
That's what I was thinking! I've met dozens of Brokies, from DCF and IMDb as well as BetterMost. I just met another Brokie today, and had a wonderful time.
Unfortunately, Marie, I have yet to meet you in person, but we've shared quite a bit together, so I feel I know you anyway. :-*
And now for something completely different...[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1qHVVbYG8Y[/youtube]
I hope this provides a good laugh to our members here, and to those who are just looking in.
;)
:-*
I've met people here who I consider friends for life. Eric is a hoot, and good lookin' too!
OMG !! I left Eric out !!!
I've met him. He is a cutie.
;)
See !!! OMG, Yes !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Estes Park was my favorite gathering I think because I had never been to Colorado, and that has been
my first big gathering !!!!
I was thinking about that BBQ the other day and dreaming about the mountains.
:)
I also met Rodney, Fritz and Pete and David.
Lord, there were so many people there.
Oh yes, good memories. It was the best. We all came together as a family. :)
That was soooo much fun. I'll never forget that trip.
I'd do it all over again !
;D
And (ahem) you and I met there, though it must have been pretty brief, as we had to refresh each other's memories later. ;)
That's what I was thinking! I've met dozens of Brokies, from DCF and IMDb as well as BetterMost. I just met another Brokie today, and had a wonderful time.
Unfortunately, Marie, I have yet to meet you in person, but we've shared quite a bit together, so I feel I know you anyway. :-*
Let's all go see Marie !!!!!!!
:D :D :D
My 13 lb. cat Baxter has taken a running leap and landed right on my stomach as I'm laying on the couch.
And he thinks I'm going to pet him after that??????????????????????????
:o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I have actually had the privilege of meeting Marie in person on a couple of different occasions. We also talk on the phone now and then. I can assure anyone who hasn't met Marie that she is a very gentle soul.
I'll never forget the night that I was practically falling asleep in her sister's living room, and Marie led me by the hand to the bed she had prepared for me and tucked me in. :D No one has ever done that for me except my mother.
We also toured the Winchester Mystery House together close to Halloween last year. That was so much fun.
Back atcha !!!!
Love,
Crybaby..... who has never had an original thought in her head.
Aw, honey, I'm sorry you saw that! :-*
Actually, I laughed my ass off !!!
I set there and thought, gee, I wonder how I took care of myself all these years without a
brain in my head.
Had a good job for 25 years in marketing, until the electronics business went to hell, made good money,
and still have a good reputation in the industry.
I don't think I leaned over and all my brains fell out.
;)
Perhaps saying those things made him feel better about himself.
We all have to face consequences at one point in our life.
I've dealt with much worse.
That's a good attitude, Karen. I've dealt with much worse, too. I would count the ways, but I don't want to be accused of being a hick singing a country-western song. :laugh:
Yeah, we've already seen 'em with their cocks hangin' out, so why bother zippin' up now?
Sorry guys. We didin't mean to ruin your circle jerk.
Nasty Boy
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
From Jess' comments at The Retreat, it's pretty obvious that she is reading this thread. So I have one more thing to say then I'm done.
Jess was not made to leave because the mods didn't like her, she was made to leave for her repeated personal attacks on people, often driving them away from Bettermost completely (myself included). She was warned time and time again and yet chose to ignore those warnings.
As far as I'm concerned my grievances have nothing whatsoever to do with politics, or personal disagreements or dislikes.
Posts have been taken from here for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing the poster, in the most cruel and cowardly way.
I can't quote them directly anymore because the offending remarks have been removed but calling Gary a "Nasty boy" "Flower girl" "The token victim" "Naif" "Clever manipulator" "'tard", to name but a few, is horrible and really rather pathetic.
We don't all have to be friends with one another ... that would be asking for the impossible ... but I would hope that our basic common decency would stop us from taking delight in ripping people to shreds.
And I'm done ....
ps.... a note to you androphiles .... being bitchy and catty about other people behind their backs is very ........... "girly" 8)
And after that childish remark I really am done :)
ps.... a note to you androphiles .... being bitchy and catty about other people behind their backs is very ........... "girly" 8)
And after that childish remark I really am done :)
:laugh: Don't worry, Ian. I'm not letting them get to me. I was just trying to live up to my reputation as "nasty boy." It seems I'm also a hick, and if you put hick and nasty together, what you get is a redneck. :o Who knew? :laugh:
Duly noted. Please be aware: men define masculinity. We say what is "girly" and what is not.
and "girly" is a masculinity definition? Well who knew?
Please be aware: men define masculinity. We say what is "girly" and what is not.
and "girly" is a masculinity definition? Well who knew?
Well you know its a free country, if they want to retreat and have their on conversations, even if they are about other people they can do that. There is no stopping them. As for me and my world the sun is out and I'm going to go outside and pretent I am in Alberta.....
Duly noted. Please be aware: men define masculinity. We say what is "girly" and what is not.
:laugh: Don't worry, Ian. I'm not letting them get to me. I was just trying to live up to my reputation as "nasty boy." It seems I'm also a hick, and if you put hick and nasty together, what you get is a redneck. :o Who knew? :laugh:
From Jess' comments at The Retreat, it's pretty obvious that she is reading this thread. So I have one more thing to say then I'm done.
Jess was not made to leave because the mods didn't like her, she was made to leave for her repeated personal attacks on people, often driving them away from Bettermost completely (myself included). She was warned time and time again and yet chose to ignore those warnings.
As far as I'm concerned my grievances have nothing whatsoever to do with politics, or personal disagreements or dislikes.
Posts have been taken from here for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing the poster, in the most cruel and cowardly way.
I can't quote them directly anymore because the offending remarks have been removed but calling Gary a "Nasty boy" "Flower girl" "The token victim" "Naif" "Clever manipulator" "'tard", to name but a few, is horrible and really rather pathetic.
We don't all have to be friends with one another ... that would be asking for the impossible ... but I would hope that our basic common decency would stop us from taking delight in ripping people to shreds.
And I'm done ....
Be that as it is in May, the word misandry (another banned class from The Retreat To Copy Other Peoples' Stuff) refers to hatred and contempt for males. It's the counterpart of misogyny. It does not refer to failure to do proper obeisance and render right reverence to self-described "androphiles." Sometimes the dictionary takes awhile to acknowldge made-up words.
I love men !!!!
;D
I love men !!!!
;D
and "girly" is a masculinity definition? Well who knew?
I think women have their own definition of masculine, and I would imagine some men do too.
Wonder who's is correct?
me three ;D
OK. I'll explain. Just don't blame me for hijacking another thread this time.
Men define where the boundaries of masculinity lay. Beyond them is effeminacy or "girly."
It does not refer to failure to do proper obeisance and render right reverence to self-described "androphiles."
But men can have all different kinds of boundaries.
Everyones is valid..... to them.
And then there are generally-accepted boundaries.
Depends.
Not really. There are indeed generally-accepted boundaries for masculine behavior in our culture. Not all men fit within them, but mostly they know where the boundaries are.
Well, we will just agree to disagree.
:)
I do too! Which, of course, is what androphile really means.
But I'm wondering why it is that men get to define all the terms. If they get to define masculinity, why shouldn't women get to define femininity?
Thanks for the post, Susie dear. And speaking as a man, and apparently one who helps shape the definitions, I think you're right on the nose in regards to your "girly" comment.
But I'm wondering why it is that men get to define all the terms. If they get to define masculinity, why shouldn't women get to define femininity?
Posts have been taken from here for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing the poster, in the most cruel and cowardly way.
I can't quote them directly anymore because the offending remarks have been removed but calling Gary a "Nasty boy" "Flower girl" "The token victim" "Naif" "Clever manipulator" "'tard", to name but a few, is horrible and really rather pathetic.
ps.... a note to you androphiles .... being bitchy and catty about other people behind their backs is very ........... "girly" 8)
I've met quite a few also.
Meryl, Rouxb, Lynne , Paul, Richard, Truman, Chuck, Jeff, John, Monika, Sophia,
Chrissi, Clarissa, Leslie, Mikaela .... I'm forgetting somebody, I know.
And, trust me, Meryl will bust my chops as fast as anyone elses when I get out of line.
;D
Karen
Karen!!!!
How are you, Honey! :-* :-* :-*
;D ;D ;D
Methinks some men haven't had enough women tell them to get over themselves.
If they get to define masculinity, why shouldn't women get to define femininity?
Oh honey............ !!!!!
:P
masculine, smasculine.
That's mostly exterior.
It's the inside that counts.
Being hu-man.
What about when one is a man inside??
True masculinity is not a facade.
I'll tell you why they are getting their shorts in a wad shall I? The posts are not being copied and discussed in a rational thoughtful manner, they are being ridiculed and the posters taunted. What they are doing over there is cruel ..... and cowardly.
(I was about to quote a few comments from the site but I see that Jess has editted several of the posts and removed many of the offending remarks ... I suppose that's something, but "too little too late" as far as I'm concerned)
From Jess' comments at The Retreat, it's pretty obvious that she is reading this thread. So I have one more thing to say then I'm done.
Jess was not made to leave because the mods didn't like her, she was made to leave for her repeated personal attacks on people, often driving them away from Bettermost completely (myself included). She was warned time and time again and yet chose to ignore those warnings.
As far as I'm concerned my grievances have nothing whatsoever to do with politics, or personal disagreements or dislikes.
Posts have been taken from here for the sole purpose of mocking and ridiculing the poster, in the most cruel and cowardly way.
I can't quote them directly anymore because the offending remarks have been removed but calling Gary a "Nasty boy" "Flower girl" "The token victim" "Naif" "Clever manipulator" "'tard", to name but a few, is horrible and really rather pathetic.
We don't all have to be friends with one another ... that would be asking for the impossible ... but I would hope that our basic common decency would stop us from taking delight in ripping people to shreds.
And I'm done ....
ps.... a note to you androphiles .... being bitchy and catty about other people behind their backs is very ........... "girly" 8)
And after that childish remark I really am done :)
Brokeplex ... this is the only quote I can give you ... I copied it before it was removed ....
Quote from Judgeholden ...
To be honest with you, these days I mostly scroll thru her posts or skim (No doubt she does the same w/ mine): Louise "blah blah blah", Cottle [fiddle theme from the Ken Burns Civil War series playing mournfully]: "I was born dirt poor ina cabin on a mountainside in Kentucky, my Daddy was blind, my Mamma was lame and we had a 3-legged dog with emphysema...[morphs into Lorretta singin Coal Miners Daughter]", till Isee if Milo wrote something of interest in response to one of these 'tards..
....... pretty childish in my opinion .....
Uh, sorry Bill, but it was open for viewing of guests. Too many of us went in there and read it.
It has probably been deleted and cleaned up now, but we saw before that happened.
Sorry, but that is a fact.
I can't speak for androphiles, but I have no problem calling myself a gay man, cuz that is what I am. But, the androphiles most definitely do not have a monopoly on catty behavior.
As far as my friend Jess is concerned, ultimately she was made to leave because she fundamentally disagreed with the majority, and wouldn't make any compromises in her statements defending her beliefs, esp those which concern gay men. Her disagreement with members here should not have lead to her expulsion. Do people say things in the heat of argument that are "catty"? Sure they do. So, what?
So, what were the real reasons for Jess's expulsion? Frankly, I don't want run away personal attacks either, but the definition of what is and what is not a personal attack is VERY flexible. And what it came down to concerning Jess's posts, was the individual "complainer" was given permission to define her comments as personal attacks at their own personal whim, and the mods enforced that policy. It was almost to the point that Jess could have said "good morning", and someone would have complained.
IMO it is this type of whining more than anything else that hurts open and interesting discussion on social networking forums, in fact it hurts far more than an incidental personal attack.
Brokeplex ... this is the only quote I can give you ... I copied it before it was removed ....
Quote from Judgeholden ...
To be honest with you, these days I mostly scroll thru her posts or skim (No doubt she does the same w/ mine): Louise "blah blah blah", Cottle [fiddle theme from the Ken Burns Civil War series playing mournfully]: "I was born dirt poor ina cabin on a mountainside in Kentucky, my Daddy was blind, my Mamma was lame and we had a 3-legged dog with emphysema...[morphs into Lorretta singin Coal Miners Daughter]", till Isee if Milo wrote something of interest in response to one of these 'tards..
....... pretty childish in my opinion .....
Brokeplex ... this is the only quote I can give you ... I copied it before it was removed ....
Quote from Judgeholden ...
To be honest with you, these days I mostly scroll thru her posts or skim (No doubt she does the same w/ mine): Louise "blah blah blah", Cottle [fiddle theme from the Ken Burns Civil War series playing mournfully]: "I was born dirt poor ina cabin on a mountainside in Kentucky, my Daddy was blind, my Mamma was lame and we had a 3-legged dog with emphysema...[morphs into Lorretta singin Coal Miners Daughter]", till Isee if Milo wrote something of interest in response to one of these 'tards..
....... pretty childish in my opinion .....
So I'm afraid you are mistaken if you think we're all a bunch a whiney little girls.
I know she is your friend, and I am sure you were never her target...... yet.
But you've overlooked the part I wrote about Jess' very real and very nasty personal attacks .... do you still believe that she was picked on for no reason or that people had genuine grievances?
oh, and I'm noticing that some "copying" of posts over on the Retreat has apparently been done by Bettermost members. And I even see that those copied posts are now posted here. :o
That doesn't concern me a bit. But I do recall earlier on this very thread that some members were "complaining" that Retreat members were copying Bettermost posts and then posting them over on the Retreat.
So, what do we have here? Could this be double standard time at the OK corral? ???
again, we get back to the ever flexible definition as to what is or what is not a disruptive personal attack.
I believe that there was unrelenting whining campaign about Jess's posts on the part of a small group of people who were allowed by the mods to define and control the issue.
It is one of the ironies of the whole episode that many of the people who whined the very loudest about Jess once were her friends. Somehow, they just couldn't live with her opinions.
Or, as one of your friends at the Retreat said about me.........
Karen is a crybaby and never had an original thought.
I imagine the person that posted that is lurking right now.
;)
Somehow, I'm a crybaby because I didn't like how our posts from here were copied over their
for them to mock and ridicule us.... and Jess is the victim.
Please................
That boat don't float.
You changed your profile Karen! I didn't know who you were at first. :)
I genuinely don't know about any comments on the Retreat concerning you.
But, if what you say is true about what Retreat members have done, then Karen, the copying and the mocking seems to be mutual.
I have read each and every post on this thread, and I see quite a bit of mocking going on. And the mutual copying, is evident too.
Gosh, I'd forgotten the "Go fuck yourself Susiebell" that I received from one of the Retreat guys ... who shall remain nameless. :-\
I didn't come back under my real, or previous login because I had gotten a PM from one of you guys
telling me to.................... go Fuck yourself Karen.
Gosh, I'd forgotten the "Go fuck yourself Susiebell" that I received from one of the Retreat guys ... who shall remain nameless. :-\
Oh...... you got one too !!!!!!
And here I thought I was special.
:)
Doesn't even compare.
I didn't come back under my real, or previous login because I had gotten a PM from one of you guys
telling me to.................... go Fuck yourself Karen.
I have never had that happen on any forum, no matter how hostile things became.
But again, you have your opinion, and I have mine.
;)
Karen, I didn't send any messages like that, and think that any such PMs are stupid. why bother doing something like that?
Gosh, I'd forgotten the "Go fuck yourself Susiebell" that I received from one of the Retreat guys ... who shall remain nameless. :-\
Well, there is a sleepover club started by Susie and Shasta that could use some more energy. Why not post a bit over there and I would love to talk to you there.
"whiney little girls"? in all candor, I respected almost 100% of the women over here and found that they were much more resilient and able in debating, and didn't notice them whining.
as for the other gender - that was the source of most of the whining. frankly, it is an almost universal fact that most men in all cultures do not respect other men who frequently whine.
I think this demonstrates quite clearly that there are.... and not only insults but flat out lies. :-\
I'm going to hunt down my Susie and Shasta blog, brush off the cobwebs, and find a nice pic to post in it :)
:o Gasp! :o That is one heck of a mighty HUGE sweeping statement you've made there!
"Universal fact" ???
"Most men" ???
"All cultures" ???
Susie, you know I love you, and I love how you stick up for me. But we can't control what those people say about us. So yes, let's move onto something else. The bark chewers and the glass eaters can grind their teeth all they want. They can only hurt us if we turn our ear toward them. It's a siren's song we've been listening to here, and if we're not careful, we could head toward the rocks. So let's let it go. :-*
Maybe Susie and I should start a
Go Fuck yourself club !!!!
;D
I have too much time on my hands with this broken foot.
;D
I'm over it now for sure. I know you realize there is always two sides to every story.
Bill, I hope you are surving the Texas heat.
If I could walk, I would be on a plane to New England.
;)
Anywhere cooler.
Quote from Jess
*sigh*
Susie left Bettermost MONTHS ago (shortly after we had to edit the fan fic section ...shall I go into THAT Ms Susie??) now, IF I had in fact engaged in 'personal attacks' on the board and in pms...why would I have remained not just a member but a moderator?? that doesn't even make sense. But if it makes her feel better to lie about me, at least I know she is not out lying about someone else!!
seeing HER buck is worth the quarter...buck, Susie, buck!!!
I do more to stimulate conversation than anyone ON Bettermost and I am not even there!
Phillip should pay me.....
I didn't think it would be long before I came under attack.... and of course I have no way of defending myself.
I wasn't going to post this over here, I really don't want to get into another "well you're copying and pasting our posts too" war with anyone here. But Brokeplex you asked me to trust you that there are no insults flying around over there, only constructive debate, and I think this demonstrates quite clearly that there are.... and not only insults but flat out lies. :-\
:o Gasp! :o That is one heck of a mighty HUGE sweeping statement you've made there!
"Universal fact" ???
"Most men" ???
"All cultures" ???
How wonderful that you are hiking in the mountains, brokeplex! Sounds heavenly! I hope you didn't run into enni grizzlies out there and stayed dry enuff!!
If you really truly mean that ... that calling me a liar and ridiculing me isn't insulting ..... then I throw my hands up in the air and give up. :-\
There have been fewer posts in Current Events recently but the type of additional traffic this area had previously attracted was detrimental to the whole forum so that's not bad news.
Exactly. :)
I know. It's much better when everybody agrees with everything, isn't it? Utopia.
I don't think so. I think it's much better when people voice a variety of opinions in a friendly and respectful manner. :)
And those posts were inflammatory and spiteful more often than not - in my evaluation not aiming at political discussion at all, but at deliberately provoking strife and hurtful reactions.
I find the tone here at BM much more polite and corteous now and that is more encouraging and inspiring than lots of confrontational traffic. IMO.
I agree completely. Of course, people may disagree on what they think constitutes discussion and an acceptable tone for political discussion especially, but if I want conflict, confrontation, and deliberate provocation, I'll watch Fox News. That's not the atmosphere I want for this community.
I agree. Isn't it nice? :)
... sounds pretty boring to me ...... but it's much better when people don't make snide catty remarks about each other just because they disagree.
Well. Here's my problem. I disagree a lot. And I try not to be snide or catty. But when I present a view that is different from the OP -- many times there are 6-8 people who come and give a rebuttal to whatever I say. I have to answer all those people and they just have to answer me. It's frustrating, so it's easier just to keep my mouth shut. You aren't going to see a lot of disagreement that way.
I can understand your dilemma, Shasta. But how else could it work? You tend to be politically conservative, and you're on a site where the majority of members tend to be politically liberal (note: there are of course varying degrees, exceptions, overlap, etc.). If you want to express a view that's different from the OP's, most likely others will want to express a view that is different from yours. But it needn't get hostile or insulting.
I welcome a diversity of opinions here, as long as people express them respectfully. I've been really pleased with the tone here over the past few weeks, and would be happy if people with minority viewpoints would jump in and discuss them while maintaining that friendly atmosphere.
I can understand your dilemma, Shasta. But how else could it work? You tend to be politically conservative, and you're on a site where the majority of members tend to be politically liberal (note: there are of course varying degrees, exceptions, overlap, etc.). If you want to express a view that's different from the OP's, most likely others will want to express a view that is different from yours. But it needn't get hostile or insulting.
I welcome a diversity of opinions here, as long as people express them respectfully. I've been really pleased with the tone here over the past few weeks, and would be happy if people with minority viewpoints would jump in and discuss them while maintaining that friendly atmosphere.
It's hard to be a minority, I know. Just imagine it's your family implying that you're stupid and low class, and add to that, sinful. Imagine them telling you you're going to hell if you don't get to be more like them. It sucks. :P
Let's go join a kiss-in and maybe we'll feel better. :-*
The minority opinion people here feel ganged up on. I know a couple of others here who are conservative, but they know how it goes, so they stay off any controversial topics. You may not be able to see it since most of your opinions are not conservative, but it's really not a free feeling. I know we can discuss without getting mad, but it's still hard when one person has to answer several.
And -- some non-conservatives say things like...how stupid or how low class, etc. Things like that--maybe not aimed at a certain person, but definitely aimed at a certain person's beliefs.
FWIW, it also seems to me that there is a difference between presenting and discussing differing opinions and creating threads with deliberately provocative titles that clearly indicated the writer's view. In the past there were threads created, especially in Current Events, with titles that looked to me like the writer was deliberately "spoiling for a fight," just daring people to argue in rebuttal.
Just to make up an example of what I'm trying to say, I think there is a difference between "Obama Health Plan is Socialism!" and "Elements of Socialism in Obama's Health Plan?" The first looks to me like an attack on the President and deliberately dares his supporters to come to his defense. The second asks a question and opens the door for a discussion and a sharing of opinions whether or not those opinions differ.
It was the deliberately provocative thread titles that I really disliked, and they sort of made me sad, too.
I know, and actually I do see it. But like I say, I don't know how to get around that. Most gay people and supporters of gay people (not all, I know!) tend to be liberal, and this site tends to attract people in those groups.
Yes, but I do think the insults have gone both ways. For example, I've seen some posts that suggest the poster feels the word "elite" automatically always goes in front of "leftists" or "liberals." And yes, it may sting less when one feels in the majority, just as "honky" is not as hurtful as the n-word, and "breeder" less hurtful than the f-word. Still, name calling and insults are not conducive to pleasant conversation or debate regardless of which way they flow.
I just think we should all try to keep these issues in mind and be as friendly, respectful and non-combative as possible.
So, why don't we all join hands and sing....."we are the world".
:)
Or "Kumbayah." ;D
Well. Here's my problem. I disagree a lot. And I try not to be snide or catty. But when I present a view that is different from the OP -- many times there are 6-8 people who come and give a rebuttal to whatever I say. I have to answer all those people and they just have to answer me. It's frustrating, so it's easier just to keep my mouth shut. You aren't going to see a lot of disagreement that way.
Another tactic I find useful when a thread is starting to hot up, is to log off for a little while and make a nice pot of tea. I often find that by taking a break from the fray, I have a totally different take on the proceedings when I return.
It saddened me to read your posts, Shasta. Your contribution here at BetterMost is valued and respected. I hope you will always feel that BetterMost is a safe place, where you are free to express yourself. I guess there's always going to be lots of different opinions with any given subject, particularly the political ones. But I wonder why you feel that you "have to answer all those people." When that happens to me, I don't feel the need to respond to someone who has criticized what I've posted. To give you an example, I recently contributed my thoughts at a particular thread. What I had to say had really been bugging me for some time. I'd given it a great deal of thought. I thought that what I wrote had value and also thought that by voicing my concerns, I would maybe bring it to other people's attention. Alas, that wasn't quite what happened. I got only one positive acknowledgment of my post and one negative response, describing in detail to me why that poster did not agree with me. I had two options open to me at that point. I could either respond to my respondent again, further emphasizing my already expressed point of view, or I could leave it where it was, figuring that I have given my opinion and he has given his - end of story - agree to disagree. I decided on the latter. Fact is, even friends don't always agree. I expressed my opinion and someone else expressed his opinion; an opinion I may not necessarily agree with, but most certainly respect. Another tactic I find useful when a thread is starting to hot up, is to log off for a little while and make a nice pot of tea. I often find that by taking a break from the fray, I have a totally different take on the proceedings when I return. I enjoy reading your posts Shasta, even though I may not necessarily always agree with you. {{{ Shasta }}}
Shasta, I enjoy your posts too, and encourage you to not feel compelled to answer everyone who disagrees with you. You have several political viewpoints that are really different from mine, but it doesn't really matter to me. I like when you write about your life, and your cousin, and your dogs. I love the stories you tell.
:)
Shasta, I enjoy your posts too, and encourage you to not feel compelled to answer everyone who disagrees with you. You have several political viewpoints that are really different from mine, but it doesn't really matter to me. I like when you write about your life, and your cousin, and your dogs. I love the stories you tell.
:)
I miss the people who hold some of my same viewpoints.
Oy, do I ever understand what Shasta is saying, though. That feeling, that urge, that you just have to answer everyone who answers you is mighty powerful. :-\
boy do I know how that feels .... I'm as stuborn as a mule sometimes .... if I'm upset about something then I can't let it lie.:-\
boy do I know how that feels .... I'm as stuborn as a mule sometimes .... if I'm upset about something then I can't let it lie.:-\
boy do I know how that feels .... I'm as stuborn as a mule sometimes .... if I'm upset about something then I can't let it lie.:-\#
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Me too! See Shasta - you're not the only one that feels that way, I ahave been know to et things go but I'm not so good at it as Kerry is!
And Shasta can I just say, you're a bright spot for me at Bettermost. :-*
I know. It's much better when everybody agrees with everything, isn't it? Utopia.
I can understand your dilemma, Shasta. But how else could it work? You tend to be politically conservative, and you're on a site where the majority of members tend to be politically liberal (note: there are of course varying degrees, exceptions, overlap, etc.). If you want to express a view that's different from the OP's, most likely others will want to express a view that is different from yours. But it needn't get hostile or insulting.
I welcome a diversity of opinions here, as long as people express them respectfully. I've been really pleased with the tone here over the past few weeks, and would be happy if people with minority viewpoints would jump in and discuss them while maintaining that friendly atmosphere.
Hi Crayons! :)
No, that wasn't the basic underlying problem that developed on Bettermost about a year ago. The problem, IMO, is the censorship that resulted from the "New Civility". I remember the days when Phillip's bottom line rule was NO DIRECT PERSONAL ATTACKS. PERIOD, END OF STORY. But, as the mods got a whip hand because of the new civility, the whiners and complainers started their whining and complaining and the censoring started.
Nothing harms a social networking opinion site more successfully than censorship. Without the censorship there would be no "Retreat", so in a sense, the mods and the whiners created the "Retreat". Thanks, we are very pleased with Jess's handiwork. :)
Hi 'plex! :)
Well, I guess we'll never agree on what constitutes censorship (technically, it has to be undertaken by the government; the First Amendment does not guarantee freedom of expression in a publication/site/broadcast channel that is privately paid for). Nor, apparently, will we agree about the whining/complaining/"censoring"/troublemaking or what its effect was.
I'm glad to hear it! As someone whose posts were consistently "censored" from Jess' blog, I wouldn't presume to register there. So I will take your word for it that everyone there is having a good time. It seems a happy ending all around.
censorship vs CENSORSHIP? ok, I will go along with that discussion, and within the context of a discussion of Constitutional liberties, a mod or two on this opinion forum deleting some posts or some language in the posts is small potatoes. but that isn't really the issue, the issue is the effects on the discussion forum when posts are deleted or modified because someone, somewhere found the post irksome or offensive or annoying. what this type of "censorship" does is to trivialize the discussions, and create an impression of unfairness and one-sidedness. of course it doesn't affect our constitutional liberties of freedom of speech, after all, a "censored" member can wander off and post his or her thoughts somewhere else. but it hurts the opinion site.
and censoring or modifying posts on a personal blog is a different kettle of fish than doing the same thing on the public forum. it did not pass notice that some of the members on Bettemost made an attempt to hijack some of the private blogs. in fact that happened on Wally and Beve's Room, and HK stopped that quickly.I might not have deleted as extensively as he did, but I agreed with his actions.
Hey crayons, :) ... is your avatar a painting? From the teeny weeny picture I can see, it looks really good :D... did you paint it?
but that isn't really the issue, the issue is the effects on the discussion forum when posts are deleted or modified because someone, somewhere found the post irksome or offensive or annoying. what this type of "censorship" does is to trivialize the discussions, and create an impression of unfairness and one-sidedness.
and censoring or modifying posts on a personal blog is a different kettle of fish than doing the same thing on the public forum. it did not pass notice that some of the members on Bettemost made an attempt to hijack some of the private blogs. in fact that happened on Wally and Beve's Room, and HK stopped that quickly. I might not have deleted as extensively as he did, but I agreed with his actions.
why come over here?
I like it :D
Thank you, Susie and Kerry! :-* :-* Here it is. Reminded me a little of BBM.(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j266/thisiskaty/a1crayonlandscape.jpg)
I used to draw in crayons, myself. I mean, seriously (LOL), when I was in my early 20s. I remember doing a picture in blues of a nude couple standing in water, and then another one of Adam from the Sistine chapel ceiling that I handed in to my college drawing class when we were assigned to make our own version of a famous Renaissance painting. I figured, mine won't be the best picture (most of the other students were real artists, whereas I was sort of a moderately talented amateur), but damn it, mine will be the only one done in crayons.
I love it .... and if you look at it differently, it could also be a view of a very choppy the sea looking down through one of the coves in Cornwall :) ... I'll have to get my talented daughter to try her hand at crayons ...I'm sure she'd do wonders with them :D
Do you still draw Katherine?
No. I used to draw constantly as a kid, mostly pencil. In my teens, I did oil and acrylics, in my 20s, watercolor. But that was all BK (before kids). I haven't done anything like that in years on years, but now that they're getting old enough to amuse themselves (most of the time, anyway) I should get back to it!
Katherine, I love finding out that you are an artist. I'm trying to think of a Brokieism that fits. The only one that comes to mind is that it would be a sweet life to see some of your drawings and paintings.
Sure enough!
Or maybe, "Mommy, Crayons needs crayons."
Thanks, everybody! :D :-*
And Mikaela, I hear you about the internet taking over everything else. Maybe it's not actually my kids who are to blame for art falling by the wayside.
One of the last watercolors I did I framed and gave to a friend -- it was done from a photo taken while we were traveling together. She hung it on her wall. One day, at a party, one of our newspaper coworkers saw it and liked it.
He said, "Wow, what are you doing in journalism?!"
I said, "Um, thanks. I guess."
:laugh:
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Milo, I have to ask... who's being dramatic now?
Arguably, that's what a lot of this discussion is about.
NO ONE on this site is "fuckin useless"!! And you saying so is a personal attack, no matter how you try to intellectualise it. If you honestly don't see it that way, then the rest of this discussion is going to be pretty pointless.
For the sake of good order I'd like to point out that you forgot to include "misogynists" among your list of what *some* Bettermostians are. Because some surely fit that bill too.
Also, I agree with what others have said here - calling some, or even one, "fucking useless" can't be seen as anything less than offensive whichever way you look at it.
Well, I'm checking out of this.
We've been told mods/admin are looking at the situation and they've sure gotten something more to look at.
... but I'm just too darn nosey!! :P
Oh, Katherine, you should start painting again and sell your stuff on ebay !!!!!!!
Hmmmmmm I remember someone else who used to use that excuse ::) ..... doesn't cut it for me though. :-\
I sometimes wonder if you're just doing this for sport Milo ... it's kinda fun winding everyone up like this isn't it? :P
The last time I checked out The Retreat, that was over a week ago before I went on vacation, there was some talk of a competition to see who would be kicked out of BM first so I wouldn't put too much credence in these people's posts anymore. Is Trolling considered a sport?
Anyway, my vacation turned out great! Despite a poor forecast, just about everyday gave us wonderful beach weather.
Coming here, to me, is about socializing with friends and often requires thinking -- about one's opinions, about how to express one's thoughts, about learning new things, etc. -- so it's not in exactly the same category as watching mindless TV. I have to wonder, though, if when I come here and wind up engaging in bitchfests if I'm making the best use of my time.
I think having discussions with people with a variety of viewpoints can be challenging and rewarding, even when you strongly disagree with one or more of those involved in the discussion. But I think there sometimes comes a point when the whole thing becomes way too personal. I think when that happens, you just need to force yourself to walk away. I'm giving that advice, but I'll admit it's very hard for me to do that sometimes.
That reminds me of Big Brother a few years ago. When they all went into the house, Makosi's first secret task was to get herself nominated for eviction. If she managed to get the highest number of nominations, she would be exempt from eviction that week. She could use any means to get nominated, but she had to keep her task a complete secret.
She behaved so badly, winding everyone up by doing and saying the most awful things. By the end of the week everyone hated her, they'd all yelled at her, fallen out with her, bitched about her..... it was hilarious!!! :)
Where did you go? :)
For the last 9 years i've been renting a cottage in Grand Bend on lake Huron:(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/oilgun/ABC%20Movies/GB09-BEACH-02.jpg)
(http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w197/oilgun/ABC%20Movies/GB09-BEACH-GIL-01.jpg)
A 'tard on the beach, lol!
(http://i82.photobucket.com/albums/j266/thisiskaty/a1crayonlandscape.jpg)
I think having discussions with people with a variety of viewpoints can be challenging and rewarding, even when you strongly disagree with one or more of those involved in the discussion. But I think there sometimes comes a point when the whole thing becomes way too personal. I think when that happens, you just need to force yourself to walk away. I'm giving that advice, but I'll admit it's very hard for me to do that sometimes.
But by and large it has been nothing but name-calling, mocking, spite and ridicule of the "liberals" (who by European standards are positively ultra-conservative in many respects).
Thank you, Susie! :) My avatar is a picture of mountains -- drawn in crayons! I didn't draw it, though. I found it on the web.
I started posting in the current events forum because I was genuinely interested in understanding the viewpoints of Conservative Americans. They've shaped so much of what has happened in the world the last ten years, and yet their views and political actions sometimes seemed completely unintelligible and quite dreadful to me.
On occasion there actually has been some clarification of the background and reasoning behind conservative views here in the BM discussions, and though I did not agree with the views at least it gave me insight in the arguments and what the thinking is. Actual lucidly stated reasons that did not just revolve around "the opposition is a bunch of morons nyah-nyah".
But by and large it has been nothing but name-calling, mocking, spite and ridicule of the "liberals" (who by European standards are positively ultra-conservative in many respects). I haven't gotten much wiser but I sure have gotten more disillusioned about how far people are willing to go and what they will let themselves say and do to "defend" viewpoints that to me in many cases come across as inhumane, prejudiced, nationalistic and sometimes downright dangerous. And as incomprehensible as ever.
Wrong. I'm not implying squat. Try reading what I actually wrote instead of trying to "interpret" a meaning that is clearly engineered to put me in violation of the board's rules. When I say that some members are A, that does not mean that most members are B. If you want to know the truth, there are actually only a handful of people that come across as any of those things, IMO. I am not indicting the entire population of Bettermost. I'm simply saying that there are some people that I like here, and some people that I don't like. If I were to say anything at all about most Bettermostians, I would have to say that, looking at sheer numbers, I have not encountered most of the members here at all.
Personal attack?? Group attack?? Hardly. My post was no more a personal/group attack than other posters who write that there are homophobes and apologists among the population here. If those comments can stand, then so will mine. I will not voluntarily alter the post to which you refer, because I see no difference between the two statements. Yes, mine was more "colorful"... so what??
Holla back at me when you and the Admin personnel are done with your discussions.
I think it's rewarding, whether a bitchfest or just a discussion.
For many, this is the only outlet we have where we feel free to be honest, direct and upfront (to a point of course).
the "liberals" (who by European standards are positively ultra-conservative in many respects).
I don't. Its not personal because I didn't name names.
Gary, I think the best course of action is not to engage, in any manner, with those that think we are 'tards.
now, now, now - did you mean to write "tards" as in "retards". sadly, that sounds like an attack on the "differently abled".
couldn't that be construed as a personal attack? :o
personally, I defend your right to say what you mean, and it doesn't bother me if you think my IQ in particular is diminished! But, shouldn't the same rules that have been applied to Milo and his posts, apply also to your posts?
just asking. :)
Under the "New Civility" rules, you do not have to make a direct personal attack on a member to be censored, now censorable statements are all in the eye of the beholder.
Actually, it could be construed as a personal attack, but it is in reference to a comment AJ made in your new forum in describing members of Bettermost.
Damn, I feel bad for saying that, now. But I'm realizing that this thread is making ME miserable, so I'm out. :-\
Actually, it could be construed as a personal attack, but it is in reference to a comment AJ made in your new forum in describing members of Bettermost.
;)
Ya need to catch up!
thanks for the forum update.
but look at it this way, the term "tard" is a disparaging term used in reference to mentally challenged people, and I think you might think twice about using it, even if you are not referring directly to mentally handicapped citizenry. I am sure you would never be so insensitive to consciously do that.
That's going to make discussing political issues kind of difficult.
It's interesting that you should say that because ... no... that old rule really didn't work that well at all, mainly because certain people here regularly abused it.
thank you for confirming my assumption that the "direct personal attack" rule was supplanted by the "new civility" rules because of complaints. :)
but curiously, it was never established by anyone as to HOW the direct personal attack rule was abused and WHY the mods of that time couldn't enforce the rules.
I am all ears waiting for your response.
Uh, Susie didn't say anything about complaints.
She just said it didn't work.
As to the question about the mods, why don't you ask them as we aren't privy to that information.
I realize you might be having a hard time moving on , but I'll post Milo's reponse to me when I was complaining about some comments made regarding us on your new forum.
"Hey...life is unfair, and we don't exist to make you happy. Get used to it."
You missed the point, but whatever.
;D
You read it how you want honey, that is okay with me.
;)
2) there was the announcement of the "new civility" rules, concerning which I was about the only member to
That reminds me of Big Brother a few years ago. When they all went into the house, Makosi's first secret task was to get herself nominated for eviction. If she managed to get the highest number of nominations, she would be exempt from eviction that week. She could use any means to get nominated, but she had to keep her task a complete secret.
She behaved so badly, winding everyone up by doing and saying the most awful things. By the end of the week everyone hated her, they'd all yelled at her, fallen out with her, bitched about her..... it was hilarious!!! :)
:P
oh yeah .... but one of the most entertaining BB contestants ever! :)
Uh, Susie didn't say anything about complaints.
She just said it didn't work.
As to the question about the mods, why don't you ask them as we aren't privy to that information.
4) the exodus away from Bettermost began by those in the ideological minority
I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but reading the disparaging remarks and complaints by some about the Mod's and what they do, while not surprising seeing who posting those comments, prompted me to share a little of my experience. In the few instances I have communicated with a Mod I have found each of them to be completely fair and a class act. I know quite well they have bent over backwards to be fair and accommodating to those so called conservatives with whom I and others have had a conflict. That someone would turn on and attack Mod's who have gone out of their way to accommodate them is unfair and IMO vicious.
In the few instances I have communicated with a Mod I have found each of them to be completely fair and a class act. I know quite well they have bent over backwards to be fair and accommodating to those so called conservatives with whom I and others have had a conflict.
I wasn't going to post on this thread again, but reading the disparaging remarks and complaints by some about the Mod's and what they do, while not surprising seeing who posting those comments, prompted me to share a little of my experience. In the few instances I have communicated with a Mod I have found each of them to be completely fair and a class act. I know quite well they have bent over backwards to be fair and accommodating to those so called conservatives with whom I and others have had a conflict. That someone would turn on and attack Mod's who have gone out of their way to accommodate them is unfair and IMO vicious.
Internet message boards belong to the people who start them. So membership is a privilege, not a right, and the owner is under no obligation to respect or tolerate all opinions and viewpoints. Luckily, members here are allowed to complain about how this place is run. I have certainly been critical, very critical, of the way Bettermost is run. (So some of the liberals around here might think I’m a ‘tard, just like some of the conservatives do. :P ) I’m one of those people who said that the “no personal attacks” rule was inadequate. And I did this a long time before the election season got underway, and my reasons for voicing this complaint had nothing do to with party politics. So if the rules here have changed in such a way as to allow mods more flexibility in dealing with incivility, then that’s fine with me. If they use their discretion in ways that annoy me too much, I always have the option of going someplace else. But I trust most of them to try to be fair to me and others. I realize that they don’t see everything that I do, or necessarily interpret what they do see in the same way that I would, so I accept that if things aren’t going the way I like, then it’s up to me to say something.
Some exodus. As Inigo Montoya says in The Princess Bride, "You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means." Ah, Mandy Patinkin.
That's very kind of you, Ian. And right after I went and reduced the height of the image in your sig line too. :) (We treat everyone the same way on that, when we notice.)
If you think the 'personal attack' rule is bullshit, then how come you report what you consider personal attacks on you to the mods?
Some people can dish it out but sure can't take it.
Then, when they feel they have been attacked, they turn into crybabies.
I really don't care what people are talking about on that other 'site' any longer.
I just hope we are giving those there enough to talk about, cause they sure don't seem
to be satisfied there, since they continue to come on here so much.