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Title: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 19, 2013, 12:36:55 am
Ever since reading and watching "Brokeback Mountain," there's no way I can hear about something that happened in 1963 without thinking of Ennis and Jack going up and down that mountain.  I see Ennis getting out of the semi and the words flashing up on the screen:
(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/BBMLinesVisualized/BrokieBrunch/Brokeback/1963_zpsfbf611dd.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/merylmarie/media/BBMLinesVisualized/BrokieBrunch/Brokeback/1963_zpsfbf611dd.jpg.html)

Phillip started a thread 7 years ago for people to write about what their lives were like then: The Question of Time: What Was Life Like in 1963? (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,78.0/all.html)

But this one is different in that it's more about times that 1963 jumps out at you and makes you think of Brokeback, e.g., a cornerstone on a building, someone's birth date, a cashier's receipt, a license plate, or an historical reference.

This is the place to put any references to 1963 you might notice cropping up in daily life. 
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 19, 2013, 01:06:06 am
The event that made me want to start this thread happened May 1 and May 22, 1963, when the first Americans made it to the top of Mount Everest.  I've been reading a book written by one of the climbers:

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Catchall%202/EverestTheWestRidgebook_zps4ff72c53.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/merylmarie/media/Catchall%202/EverestTheWestRidgebook_zps4ff72c53.jpg.html)

See the two tiny figures at the bottom of the picture?  That's Tom Hornbein and Willi Unsoeld heading up the West Ridge, the first climbers ever to try that route to the summit. They made it, too, and though Jim Whittaker will be remembered as the first American to reach the top of Everest (he came with 3 others up the tried-and-true South Col route), the pioneering of the West Ridge is equally if not more important in mountaineering history.

Here's a brief account of the climb, which celebrates its 50th anniversary this year.  Of the six men to summit, only two are still living, Tom Hornbein and Jim Whittaker.

http://www.eddiebauer.com/EB/MP/Everest/index.cat

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1YaIOH1Sbk[/youtube]

[youtube=425,350]http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=RmJ25VBKTLI[/youtube]
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Penthesilea on May 19, 2013, 06:45:59 am
Ever since reading and watching "Brokeback Mountain," there's no way I can hear about something that happened in 1963 without thinking of Ennis and Jack going up and down that mountain.  I see Ennis getting out of the semi and the words flashing up on the screen:

I'm not the only one! :D  :laugh: Even after all these years, I sometimes put things in a time frame with Ennis and Jack. And then there's this sudden feeling of but they weren't real. Uhm, well, in theory that's correct, but .....

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But this one is different in that it's more about times that 1963 jumps out at you and makes you think of Brokeback, e.g., a cornerstone on a building, someone's birth date, a cashier's receipt, a license plate, or an historical reference.

This is the place to put any references to 1963 you might notice cropping up in daily life. 


Happened to me just this week. I was reading an arcticle about the Vogelfluglinie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie), a transport corridor between Hamburg and Copenhagen. It was opened in May 1963 and I thought Oh yes, about the same time Ennis and Jack met for the first time. :)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on May 19, 2013, 07:33:37 am
Great idea for a thread, Meryl!

I don't recall any examples right now, but the mere mentioning of 1963 always feels so familiar to me.
Like it was the year of something important happening in my own life, not in theirs.

I guess I've internalized BBM to the extent that it really is a part of me now...
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on May 19, 2013, 09:16:01 am
*scratches head*

I can't remember the last time I've heard something about 1963.  I'll have to try and be more observant.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 19, 2013, 04:43:53 pm
I'm not the only one! :D  :laugh: Even after all these years, I sometimes put things in a time frame with Ennis and Jack. And then there's this sudden feeling of but they weren't real. Uhm, well, in theory that's correct, but .....

Oh, well, so what?  They're real to us Brokies!  8)

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Happened to me just this week. I was reading an arcticle about the Vogelfluglinie (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vogelfluglinie), a transport corridor between Hamburg and Copenhagen. It was opened in May 1963 and I thought Oh yes, about the same time Ennis and Jack met for the first time. :)

You know, lots of 1963 events will be celebrating their 50th anniversary this year, so we'll probably be seeing more notices like this.  8)

Chuck and Sonja, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you see 1963 jump out at you.  It's out there!  ;D
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Katie77 on May 19, 2013, 07:18:15 pm
1963.......I started high school......and when Chucky mentioned that was 50 years ago, I had a slight seizure.... :o
 
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Mandy21 on May 20, 2013, 09:31:28 am
Wasn't born yet, but one of my fave songs of all time is from the band Orleans, with the line "late December, back in '63, what a very special time for me, as I remember what a night."
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on May 20, 2013, 10:42:47 am
1963.......I started high school......and when Chucky mentioned that was 50 years ago, I had a slight seizure.... :o


 :laugh:
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on May 20, 2013, 10:43:20 am
Wasn't born yet, but one of my fave songs of all time is from the band Orleans, with the line "late December, back in '63, what a very special time for me, as I remember what a night."

Oooh, good song!
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on May 20, 2013, 12:19:40 pm
Wasn't born yet, but one of my fave songs of all time is from the band Orleans, with the line "late December, back in '63, what a very special time for me, as I remember what a night."

Oooh, good song!

Sneaks in. ...

Except it's not Orleans. It's those beloved Jersey boys Franki Valli and the Four Seasons.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December,_1963_(Oh,_What_a_Night) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December,_1963_(Oh,_What_a_Night))

Sneaks back out. ...

I'm not here, I'm not here, I'm not here. ...
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on May 20, 2013, 04:42:05 pm

Chuck and Sonja, I'm sure it's only a matter of time before you see 1963 jump out at you.  It's out there!  ;D

From now on I'll be intensely focused on everything even remotely similar to the year 1963!   ;D
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 20, 2013, 07:36:38 pm
Sneaks in. ...

Sneaks back out. ...

I'm not here, I'm not here, I'm not here. ...

**grabs a flashlight**

Who was that masked man?!  ;)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Front-Ranger on May 21, 2013, 12:24:21 am
**grabs a flashlight**

Who was that masked man?!  ;)

 :laugh:  ;D  :-*
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on May 25, 2013, 06:53:49 pm
From now on I'll be intensely focused on everything even remotely similar to the year 1963!   ;D

Yup, as expected, only a few days after I posted this I read about a 50th anniversary!

This year it's exactly 50 years since Emil in Lönneberga saw the day of light. He's an incredibly well known and ditto loved character in a series of children's books written by Astrid Lindgren, who also wrote the books about Pippi Långstrump (Longstocking).

Emil, and her other characters, are extremely popular here, they make up a cultural frame of reference, shared by every single person living in Sweden. Generation after generation of children meet them in books and films that never get old. Year after year, Astrid Lindgren's books occupy all the top ranks on the list of most borrowed books in Swedish public libraries.


Did I say Astrid Lindgren is popular here?   ;D

Here is Emil, a boy who's always up to mischief:

(http://www.sf.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_7061/cf_2/emil_628_353.JPG) (http://www.sf.se/ImageVaultFiles/id_7725/cf_206/Emil_och_Ida_i_L-nneberga.jpg)
Emil and his little sister Ida. Origianl drawings from the books.



Movie Emil and Ida:

(http://www.filmparadiset.se/wp-content/gallery/blandat/emil-och-ida.jpg)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 25, 2013, 09:50:20 pm
Those are lovely drawings, Sonja!  No wonder Swedes love them.  8)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Penthesilea on May 26, 2013, 03:42:46 am
Yup, as expected, only a few days after I posted this I read about a 50th anniversary!

This year it's exactly 50 years since Emil in Lönneberga saw the day of light. He's an incredibly well known and ditto loved character in a series of children's books written by Astrid Lindgren, who also wrote the books about Pippi Långstrump (Longstocking).

Emil, and her other characters, are extremely popular here, they make up a cultural frame of reference, shared by every single person living in Sweden. Generation after generation of children meet them in books and films that never get old. Year after year, Astrid Lindgren's books occupy all the top ranks on the list of most borrowed books in Swedish public libraries.


Did I say Astrid Lindgren is popular here?   ;D

Here is Emil, a boy who's always up to mischief:


They're very popular here, too. Astrid Lindgren is THE classic of children's literature, next to Kästner. I also read Michel's stories to my children. Oh yeah, in German Emil's name is Michel, and I remember how shocked I was when I heard for the first time his real name is Emil! :laugh:
I almost named Oliver after him!

I loved the movies as a child, and later watching them with my own children. As a child, I had a strong dislike of the father, who I perceived as a truly evil character. As a parent, I felt for the poor father. Talk about perspective, lol. :laugh:
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on May 26, 2013, 09:46:38 am
Those are lovely drawings, Sonja!  No wonder Swedes love them.  8)

Glad you like them, Meryl!

I think they're really cute. The artist's name is Björn Berg (not Borg LOL), and he's a very well known illustrator here.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on May 26, 2013, 09:47:46 am
Michel!!!!  :o

Hmpf!!   >:(






 ;D
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: serious crayons on May 26, 2013, 10:29:28 am
Here's a page full of photojournalism from 1963 (it says "the world in 1963," but the POV is pretty US-centric, I'm afraid). It should dispel any notions anyone has (not here, but I've heard this kind of thing expressed elsewhere) that the early '60s were idyllic and peaceful.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/50-years-ago-the-world-in-1963/100460/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/50-years-ago-the-world-in-1963/100460/)



Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 27, 2013, 06:03:03 pm
Saw this today:

50th Anniversary of Woolworth's Sit-in Recalled
 
By EMILY WAGSTER PETTUS Associated Press

JACKSON, Miss. May 27, 2013 (AP)

Mississippi will inaugurate a marker Tuesday recalling a civil rights protest 50 years ago when a white mob attacked a racially mixed group seated at a whites-only lunch counter.
Civil Rights Mississippi .JPEG

On May 28, 1963, the mob attacked some Tougaloo College students and faculty members who opposed segregation by sitting at the whites-only counter at a Woolworth's five-and-dime store in Jackson. Some of the peaceful demonstrators were beaten. Others were doused with ketchup, mustard and sugar.

The marker is part of the Mississippi Freedom Trail, a series of signs honoring those who challenged segregation. The sit-in was similar to other protests around the South and occurred two weeks before Mississippi NAACP leader Medgar Evers was assassinated in Jackson.

The Woolworth's, which was located on a downtown Jackson street, closed decades ago.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/50th-anniversary-woolworths-sit-recalled-19265918#.UaPXOtiwVAA
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 27, 2013, 06:28:04 pm
Here's a page full of photojournalism from 1963 (it says "the world in 1963," but the POV is pretty US-centric, I'm afraid). It should dispel any notions anyone has (not here, but I've heard this kind of thing expressed elsewhere) that the early '60s were idyllic and peaceful.

http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/50-years-ago-the-world-in-1963/100460/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/infocus/2013/02/50-years-ago-the-world-in-1963/100460/)

I just scrolled through these pictures, and there are some really great ones among them. Thanks, Katherine.  I'd forgotten just how much was going on that year.  My favorite is the picture of men on the NY subway, still dressing in suits, trench coats and hats!

(http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h269/merylmarie/Catchall%202/Subwayriders1963_zpscc57a958.jpg) (http://s66.photobucket.com/user/merylmarie/media/Catchall%202/Subwayriders1963_zpscc57a958.jpg.html)

Here's the preface:

A half century ago, much of the news in the United States was dominated by the actions of civil rights activists and those who opposed them. Our role in Vietnam was steadily growing, along with the costs of that involvement. It was the year Beatlemania began, and the year President John F. Kennedy visited West Berlin and delivered his famous "Ich bin ein Berliner" speech. Push-button telephones were introduced, 1st class postage cost 5 cents, and the population of the world was 3.2 billion, less than half of what it is today. The final months of 1963 were punctuated by one of the most tragic events in American history, the assassination of President Kennedy in Dallas, Texas.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: southendmd on May 27, 2013, 07:04:27 pm
And Meryl, your sig line--"ich bin ein brokie"--echoes that other famous line from 1963.

1963 is my birth year, so I've always paid attention to it.  My best friend was at that famous gathering in DC with Martin Luther King, and has wonderful memories of it. 

I'm celebrating my 50th right along with Jack and Ennis!

We commemorated the sinking of the Thresher back in April, and are coming up on J&E's first meeting. 

How cool to think about that auspicious summer of '63.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: serious crayons on May 27, 2013, 07:34:23 pm
 My favorite is the picture of men on the NY subway, still dressing in suits, trench coats and hats!

And almost all men.

Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on May 27, 2013, 07:37:41 pm
and I still haven't noticed anything from 1963.  LOL
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on May 28, 2013, 12:52:17 am
And Meryl, your sig line--"ich bin ein brokie"--echoes that other famous line from 1963.

1963 is my birth year, so I've always paid attention to it.  My best friend was at that famous gathering in DC with Martin Luther King, and has wonderful memories of it. 

I'm celebrating my 50th right along with Jack and Ennis!

We commemorated the sinking of the Thresher back in April, and are coming up on J&E's first meeting. 

How cool to think about that auspicious summer of '63.

You're right, Paul, about my sig.  I had no idea when I chose it that it represented the year Jack and Ennis went up the mountain as well.  8)

Lots of auspiciousness going on this year!  I hope you have something special planned for your 50th.  8)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on August 28, 2013, 03:14:58 pm
August 28, 2013.  The 50th anniversary of the March on Washington in 1963, and I am listening to Barack Obama, our first African-American President, begin his speech at the Lincoln Memorial.  I'm so glad to be alive to see this day.  By the 100th anniversary, what will our country be like?  Will it hardly matter what the race of the President is?  I hope so.  May the dream of Martin Luther King be realized fully and our country continue to grow in understanding and goodwill.  :-*
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on August 28, 2013, 03:20:34 pm
Maybe we'll have a gay president by then.  ;D
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Front-Ranger on August 28, 2013, 03:35:08 pm
Maybe we'll have a gay president by then.  ;D

We have already had a gay president, haven't we??
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: southendmd on August 28, 2013, 04:00:48 pm
We have already had a gay president, haven't we??

Are you referring to James Buchanan? 
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on August 28, 2013, 07:18:16 pm
I mean an 'out' gay president.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 28, 2013, 07:25:08 pm
Hmmm. Fifty years from now isn't that long. Fifty years from now race will still be an issue, and we will not have had an openly gay president.

And be wary of applying the term gay to people who lived more than 150 years ago.

(I'm such a Debbie Downer.  ;D )
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: southendmd on August 28, 2013, 08:09:17 pm
Well, for what it's worth, Buchanan was inseparable from William Rufus King. 

Andrew Jackson called them "Miss Nancy" and "Aunt Fancy". 
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 28, 2013, 09:09:50 pm
Well, for what it's worth, Buchanan was inseparable from William Rufus King. 

Andrew Jackson called them "Miss Nancy" and "Aunt Fancy". 

Yes, for what it's worth.

But consider the source.  ;D

And Abraham Lincoln apparently shared a bed with his law partner.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: serious crayons on August 28, 2013, 10:09:37 pm
Maybe I'm glass half full, but when I think of what the culture of this country was like 50 years ago -- within my lifetime; almost within my memory! -- segregation widespread, interracial marriage banned, black people attacked for sitting in Woolworth diners, women needing permission from husbands to get a credit card and banned from many jobs, gay people presented in cautionary school newsreels as sexual predators ... it would not surprise me at all to think that 50 years from now race won't be a big deal and we could potentially have a gay president.

We have a black president now. A woman candidate almost won. Gay marriage is in a dominoes situation. A gay president might takes a few more steps, but that's not out of the picture. Not. At. All.


Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 28, 2013, 11:31:29 pm
Maybe I'm glass half full, but when I think of what the culture of this country was like 50 years ago -- within my lifetime; almost within my memory! -- segregation widespread, interracial marriage banned, black people attacked for sitting in Woolworth diners, women needing permission from husbands to get a credit card and banned from many jobs, gay people presented in cautionary school newsreels as sexual predators ... it would not surprise me at all to think that 50 years from now race won't be a big deal and we could potentially have a gay president.

We have a black president now. A woman candidate almost won. Gay marriage is in a dominoes situation. A gay president might takes a few more steps, but that's not out of the picture. Not. At. All.

I think that you are being a "glass half full" person--not that there's anything wrong with that!  ;D  ;)

Yes, we have a black president now, but don't forget the vicious, thinly veiled racist attacks, the idiotic "birthers," and others of their ilk. I guess I'm being a "glass half empty" person, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if things even get worse--that race becomes even more of an issue, even if it isn't openly an issue--before they get better as the U.S. becomes more and more a minority majority nation. I would love to be proved wrong, but I won't be surprised if I'm right.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: CellarDweller on August 29, 2013, 08:01:44 am
I tend to be an optimist, but I wouldn't be surprised at all with a backlash, and then steps back.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 29, 2013, 08:55:24 am
I tend to be an optimist, but I wouldn't be surprised at all with a backlash, and then steps back.

That's more or less what I was trying to get at. You said it better and more succinctly than I did.  :)

"Two steps forward, one step back." That sort of thing.  :-\
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: serious crayons on August 29, 2013, 09:48:20 am
I think that you are being a "glass half full" person--not that there's anything wrong with that!  ;D  ;)

 :)

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Yes, we have a black president now, but don't forget the vicious, thinly veiled racist attacks, the idiotic "birthers," and others of their ilk. I guess I'm being a "glass half empty" person, but I wouldn't be surprised at all if things even get worse--that race becomes even more of an issue, even if it isn't openly an issue--before they get better as the U.S. becomes more and more a minority majority nation. I would love to be proved wrong, but I won't be surprised if I'm right.

I don't forget the vicious, thinly veiled racist attacks, etc. I'm not saying racism (or homophobia, or sexism) has been banished from our nation. Far from it!

But in 1963 those racist attacks would have been a lot more vicious and not at all veiled. In 1963, people who tried to help black citizens vote, let alone run for office, were not just called ugly names, but could have been murdered (the murders in Meridian, Miss., happened in 1964), and when when they went to trial juries could let them go (of the 21 men initially charged by the FBI in Mississippi, seven were found guilty, none served more than six years).

Maybe racism will never go away. But if it's no longer openly an issue, it's a lot less of a problem than when it was when we were kids.


Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on August 29, 2013, 10:22:15 am
Maybe racism will never go away. But if it's no longer openly an issue, it's a lot less of a problem than when it was when we were kids.

That's where we disagree and I'm not so sure. Of course there is no such thing as "good racism," but at least in 1963 it was open. Now it seems to me that much of it has gone underground. It's still there, but now it's sneaky and invidious. I suppose I think that racism that's underground and sneaky may be more of a problem rather than less of one. George Wallace on the steps of whatever he was standing on the steps of at least had the virtue of making himself look odious in the eyes of the entire world. But the white waitress who makes black customers wait longer for service than white customers is, in my opinion, a lot more difficult to deal with--even if those black customers can now sit at the same lunch counter as white customers.

Of course I'm not denying that great strides forward have been made since 1963. I just don't think we're as far out of the woods yet as you seem to think we are, perhaps because now we have to deal with racism on the individual level, which I think is a lot more difficult than dealing with it on the institutional level.
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Meryl on September 04, 2013, 12:50:30 am
Just seen on Facebook:  Seattle Opera turns 50 today.  Founded September 3, 1963.  8)
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on September 04, 2013, 09:19:42 am
I don't have a founding date, but 2013-2014 is the Fiftieth Anniversary Season for the Pennsylvania Ballet.

(If you got 500 bucks or so that's burning a hole in your pocket, you can attend the anniversary gala on Saturday, Oct. 19. I'll be skipping that event, I'm afraid.  ::) )
Title: Re: 1963
Post by: Sason on September 05, 2013, 04:50:55 pm
Ha! I googled it (is that cheating?  :o), and here's some of what I found:


Flygplanet Boeing 727 gör sin första flygning.
Brittiska popgruppen The Beatles släpper sitt första album, Please, Please Me.
Sveriges riksdag antar en lag om fyra veckors semester.
Pastor Martin Luther King håller sitt berömda tal I Have a Dream.
Kenya blir självständig stat.
Barbiedockan lanseras i Sverige.

Födda 1963
Jonas Gardell, svensk författare, komiker och skådespelare.
Quentin Tarantino, amerikansk filmregissör, skådespelare och manusförfattare.
Whitney Houston, amerikansk sångerska.


Translation:

The aircraft Boeing 727 makes its first flight.
British pop group The Beatles released their first album, Please Please Me.
Swedish Parliament passed a law about four-week vacation.
Reverend Martin Luther King gave his famous speech I Have a Dream.
Kenya becomes an independent state.
Barbie doll launched in Sweden.

Born in 1963
Jonas Gardell, Swedish author, comedian and actor. Our number one public gay icon.
Quentin Tarantino, American film director, actor and screenwriter.
Whitney Houston, American singer.