It is difficult to accept that a man in his mid 20s (Mark) had no gay feelings until Kay hits on him; also, its unbelievable that Kay, who seems to be a well adjusted gay man, would hit on a colleague who had given him no indication what so ever that he is gay.
IMO, neither of these plot items is unbelievable at all. There are plenty of guys who discover their orientation later in life. Beyond that, some guys just don't feel any physical or romantic attraction to other men until they meet the right guy.
As for Kay hitting on Mark without any indication, well that happens all the time too. Some gay men simply think that its OK to hit on straight men. Other times, a relationship between two guys simply gets to a point, and one of them takes a chance. Without having seen the movie its diffuclt for me to say, but it is possible that Greg Mitchell just plain missed the signals Mark was sending.
Hanno Koffler and Max Riemelt attend 'Freier Fall' cast at Glashuette Lounge on February 8, 2013 in Berlin, Germany.
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Max Riemelt and Hanno Koffler at the filming of "foreign assignment" near Marrakech.
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I haven't seen it yet, but would really like to. Is a North American DVD available yet?
This is one of my favorite stills. It is my new wallpaper after having the same Brokeback one for 5 years. Maybe I am a romantic.
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I almost feel like I've seen it with all the pics that you've posted! ;)
I want to see and hear it in German, though!
Oh dear. It was never my intention to have these pictures replace the viewing of the film. Do the screen caps of the Brokeback reunion capture that scene? Not at all. Only the visual, not the visceral. I hope it doesn’t prevent you from watching.
I have no idea what a Roku is.
Trust me, it won't.
Hmmm. I may have to enter Passages Malibu. This is from Max Riemelt's Facebook page. I'm not even ON Facebook.
If anyone would care to translate, that would be much appreciated ;)
Pretty accurate, though the first sentence would read: I enjoy having pain. (!)
Hi, Thanks for unlocking the thread!
I saw Free Fall (2013) a few weeks ago and have let it settle on me. Loved the film and I need a 3rd viewing. Overall, there are parallels to Brokeback but that may be only b/c it's a common theme. Undiscovered love which rips apart both the tormented soul entangled in the feelings and the families involved.
From my experience and vantage, perhaps Marc really never struggled with those internal demons before, but I doubt that. This switch is not just something one "flips"... Perhaps Marc never allowed his feeling for other men to surface before he met Kay - many of the same as Ennis and Jack during their time on the mountain. The film does update itself by what 40 years but the family struggles with homosexuality and full acceptance by not only his family but his co-workers is as hostile as ever.
Marc's life and family is much more comfortable and there are opportunities for Marc but like Ennis, he's afraid to take them - aka "come with me..." or "little cow-calf operation.." It's so hard to make that choice, to turn your back on commitments made one's entire life. To in general, "disappoint" family, spouses, parents, friends who rarely are accepting. The film covers that angle well, and I think better than Brokeback with the modern family angle - parent's next door, wife expecting, "friends" on the police force, etc..
Also, THANKS for posting the screen caps.. quite good ones!
Let's talk. Cheers, V.
Hey Vincent!
Did you get the movie through one of the online services?
I googled freier fall (i`m a little obsessed too) and found this forum.
You wrote that you want to discuss this movie. Well, so do I, it`s just that writing in English is a little difficult for me because I can`t express myself the way I want to. I tried google translator but that`sreally a mess :o.
About Max: you`re totally right. He is a great actor and really gorgeous. I saw Napola twice. I thougt it is a very good movie and Max acting is great. There are indeed some heavy moments in this movie, but it`s worthwile (?) watching. I must say, Max looks very young in the movie and I like him more as he is now. More mature, more sexy. I also saw die Welle and a recent movie Heiter bis Wolkig. This was a really great movie and shows a different side of max. And he looked really gorgeous in this film. Oke, I could talk all day about Max but enough now.
I saw brokeback mountain too and I think it is a great movie with a very emotional ending. I also like Jake and Heath a lot but i did not see the chemistry Marc and Kay had. And that makes free fall my favorite.
I have read a lot of background info about freier fall and Max (Max again ::) and Hanno and interviews and stuff. I think it is really beautifull that they are such close friends in real life. Both say that they did not want to do this movie with someone else because they have a chemistry in real life (not sexual I guess because they both are straight). Don`t you think that`s cute? I think that`s why they are so good in this movie, their great acting skills but also their real friendship.
I agree with you about Marc being upset and confused. And you`re right, even though he is not always nice to Kay, it`s understandable and I could feel his emotions, it is just so sad for Kay. Anyway, both are great actors and very handsome.
Well, I come back tomorrow. Good night for now.
Butlers Fantasy: i can't see any of your postings when I'm logged in. To see/read them, i have to log out en then log in again to answer. Any idea what I did wrong?
To answer your translation question: to be sure I wachted that scene again. Britt says: will I meet you in the canteen? Kay: yes, sure. Britt: then i'll see you there.
And then they say to eachother: bis gleich (no not stretch, haha).
The literal translation is: till soon (so something like see you soon or see you later).
If you have any further questions about translation, please ask. It gives me a good excuse to watch (part of) the movie AGAIN.
Your question about a sequal: no I'm sorry, i didn't hear/read anything about it. I know many people would like a second part.
But.......the DVD contains in the extra's the movie with audio comments from director and Hanno and Max.
And during the last scene (Marc running alone) they were talking about the open end. And Stephan Lacant said: it makes you wanting a second part. In about 5 years freier fall 2. And then they all laughed.
I don't know if it was a joke or not (hope not).
But I don't want to wait 5 years, I want it NOW!
I found a couple pics that I haven't posted yet. I won't put up or link the NSFW ones
Sorry, it's embarrassing to rely on phonetics.
We all make them, even the native speakers!
Thank you, Sophia. I haven't tried the link, but I hope people will use it to see the movie.I love German. I learnt it for 4 years at High School then took it in my first year at University. Unfortunately I dropped it after 1 term as I had too heavy a load. I then failed French so decided not to be a language teacher ??? Instead I taught Geography and Economics and that was all 50 years ago. I can read French better but my accent is terrible and I find German announcements on trains easier to follow.
On another subject, we may have to start a "German as a second language" thread! I was looking at German for Dummies online - how many words are there for "the" anyway? ;D So far I've found das, der and die, and don't know when it's right to use which one. And just learning to speak isn't enough, it's knowing what someone is saying to you that is the harder part, I think.
das Brot
der Aufschnitt
die Cerealien
And all nouns are capitalized? Didn't know that. I also can't follow the sentence structure, the same words are in different formation than in an English sentence. And I thought English was hard :)
Hi everyone,
if you interested in seeing the movie this link can give you an option. Search for Free Fall, you can see the movie with subtitle.
http://www.primewire.ag/
Hi, I had to watch that scene again because I couldn't remember that Kay said anything. But he did.In English itwould be like: for me it is not.........too. I think he wanted to say easy but he could not finish the sentence. The word easy is in german the last word of that sentence. Literally translated he said: for me it is also not.........and then marc hits him :'(
Thanks Sophia! I'll check it out this weekend.
Thanks Sophia! I'll check it out this weekend.
Yeah, I want to check it out too. I hope the German track is an option.
SPOILERS!
One question: after the colleaguees found out about Kay, there was a scene in a police van. Everyone looked very seriously. Was Britt crying or not?
By the way, did you know that there was an alternative ending? That Kay took his life?
When Marc came into Kay's empty appartment, I thought for a moment: please no.
But fortunately they didn't do that.
But did you see what Marc did just before that moment? If you did, I'm curious what you think about that.
In the audio comments it was interesting to hear the vision of the director and the actors about the scenes. Every little thing had a meaning (like the sneakers, to let the viewers know that Kay was in his mind for a moment).
It's only in German.
oh my GOD, I wish someone else would watch this movie so I could discuss. I'm starting to pick it apart like BBM.
Now I think when Marc is making breakfast for his gf and gets the call from Kay, he smiles, not just because it's Kay, but because of what Kay (possibly) says, something fantastic about their first fuck, or how he can't wait for more, or something.
entschuldigen Sie mich
Now I want to learn German, and that makes no sense.
Be careful about using sites like this. Most are probably safe, but I know some have spyware/malware that could affect your computer. Safer to pay the $4 to Amazon.
Hi BF,
First of all: thanks for the imdb link to the discussions, wow, interesting. I have read them volatile and have to read them again. Really very interesting.
About the DVD extra's: there are 6 deleted scenes. The two scenes with kay/marc (marcs leg and the canteen scene) you have seen. The other four were nice but not spectacular. The audio comments have no subs unfortunately. I don't think it's worthwhile for you to buy the DVD from Germany (you can't buy it in the US on DVD??).
The phone call: wow, we really thought the same.
The music: I liked it, it fit to the scenes. I thought the song at the credits fit very well to marc's situation and it's a beautifull but sad song.
I don't know about the scene in the appartent, I can't remember Kay doing anything like that but I will watch with attention next time (which will be soon :laugh:)
You know, after hearing the audio comments and reading a lot of reviews, it's clear to me that using a lot of non-verbal language in a movie can be tricky. Not everyone interpretates that same.
For example the scene in the rain (the car): I read 3 different interpretations about the look at Kay's face:
- kay shows little emotion
- kay has a smug smile on his face as if he thought: I've won.
- Kay closes his eyes full of lust
Well, which one do you think?
I should say: a combination of the last two.
... And he was kissing him back and had his arms around him - you know he's fighting it, but you also know he really wants it.
I'm not sure about what Marc did right before that. I thought maybe he was trying to move Kay's hands away, is that it?
1. During the opening scenes, where Kay and Marc are jogging around the track w/ the pack, Kay is leading with Marc following. This is a theme throughout the film Kay also pulls away from Marc who gives up...on the challenge - harbingers.
2. During the pool scene, after Kay pots out a bit, he dares Marc to get into the pool.. and when Marc leaps in, he immediately engages in a few rounds of horse play. Afterwards, Marc exits the pool and attempts to get Kay to follow, he refuses so again, Kay is strongly independent and not willing to be told what to do.
3. The following scenes provide the setting for Marc's domestication - Marc and Bettina having sex, and them moving into the home by her parents with relatives helping, the topping element is the recorded baby messages - "Dad is prod of you. Dad and Mom will always be here for you.."...hmm
4. The scenes with the couples bowling provide another state of happy domestication, until Kay and his date arrive..
5. I agree 100%, later when Kay wants to lite a smoke, he easily reaches into Marc's pocket, the grabs his bare hand (not sleeve) to lite the smoke.. that's telling that Kay's becoming more bold and Marc more comfortable (somewhat) with Kay's physical contact. Did you notice the look / gaze Marc gives Kay after casually glancing around to see if anyone else was watching.. The strong gazes by both at the...I can easily see the wheels turning in Marc's head at least wondering about Kay.
6. During the running scene where Kay eventually catches up with Marc and Marc becomes defensive but not saying no to Kay's advances, again we see Kay acting in independent mode. After the brief masturbation encounter, Marc "freaks" and darts off running faster than ever, never mind returning Kay's favors.
7. Marc's commander assigning Marc to "take Kay under his wing" is ironic with Marc acting like WTH... he starts denying he really knows Kay immediately - is that telling?
8. In the lockroom after the showers, Is Marc really angry with Kay for showing up or frustrated that he cannot put those feelings behind him and move on now?
9. After Kay shows up to bowl with his date, it's interrupting Marc's domestic bliss again. Once Kay learns that Marc's an expecting father, do the glances at the table and in while they are taking a leak change?
10. At home, Marc disavows really knowing Kay, saying Kay was a PITA while Bettina thought he was "nice"... What does Marc's disavowing knowing Kay well here have on the situation? Obviously, Marc is stressing - seriously.
11. After Marc meets Kay for the first time for "sex in the rain"... the are next scene both are in the car, both are shirtless and dressing. The eye work and glances as Marc departs the car are telling, almost accepting of what he just did, in face he seems a bit pleased. That is rapidly followed by Marc being the only late husband to their birthing class - oh no.
12. I agree, Marc taking the phone call and then whispering and leaving the room would raise suspicions from almost anyone.. what call is Bettina suppose NOT to hear?
13. The next scene comes as a surprise where Marc and Kay are jogging and Marc is outright playful.. does that mean Marc has accepted his attraction to Kay?
14. Now we are shown the first "all bare" sex scene with Marc and Kay at Kay's apartment. The scene is quite intimate and shows the real connections between Kay and Marc. At this point, Marc seems fully accepting of his attraction and feelings for Kay. We've gone from a casual contact to masturbation to full sexual intimacy. That's a lot for a "straight guy" to absorb.
15. This is where Kay asks Marc "Has he ever thought about leaving it all behind? Leaving and starting over?" Marc's response of "No, not really." informs me that Marc believes this is a limited engagement with no long term feelings - at least at this point. During this same conversation Kay offers Marc a key to his apartment and Marc accepts, that's a 180 change from what we expected - really? But Marc does seem content - happy..
16. Next we see Marc blatantly lying to Bittiana about not wanting to have sex, followed by a sharp juxtaposition of Kay and Marc dancing in a gay bar, drugging it up a bit.. .
17. The next few scenes we are rapidly torn between the two choices: Marc and Kay or Marc and Bettina - over quite a few intense moments. One sexual and another in raw anger. Then we whisked away to the joy (and fear) of the birth of Marc's son, then back to anger with the road rage and a flat out denial by Marc, that he's gay - violent in fact. Also, notice during the locker room how Kay is an outsider and Marc glances to see if Kay is the least bit happy for him with the birth of his son?
18. During the road rage, did you notice Marc's expression after punching Kay and right before getting back into his car and speeding off, when you notice the down hill sign I might add.. It's almost one of regret.
19. Now for one of my favorite scenes. Next we see Marc's life of domestication, surrounded by toys, he's cleaning up the paint he knocked over earlier during his fight with Bettina. It's here he realizes that maybe he did have stronger feelings for Kay. Review the look on his face. He's overwhelmed with sighs and an almost sick feeling on his face. This takes me back to the kneeling scene in BBM with Ennis in the alley.. all the regret come flooding in.
20. During the next few scene, are when Kay is outed - the rage, disappointment and homophobia abound. Marc is wondering if "anyone else knows he's been spending any time with Kay..." The bus ride also shows that Kay is now alone, the eye contact, the lack of eye contact, the rage in some of the eye contact. Marc is trying to determine who's on which side here... again he's afraid someone knows or will at least be wondering...
21. OK, maybe I spoke too soon - the next sequence takes me to the "I wish I knew how to quit you..." BBM scenes. This is the FIRST time we've seen Marc assume the lead, the initiative - only when he's threatened and his life and his secret is threatened. Here he's lying in wait for Kay. When he confronts Kay about being outed, he accuses Kay of perhaps wanting to BlackMail him followed by anger followed by the ILY and breakdown / hugs. It is at this point that Marc realizes he's trapped with no way out. Does he accept his domestication with Bettina and his son or be happy with Kay?
22. The next couple of scenes stage the outing of Marc to his mother no less. Does this have deeper meaning? Why was Marc's mother picking him up and not Bettina or Marc's father? This is the 2nd time were Marc takes the initiative and grabs Kay's hand for a longer kiss "before mum arrives..." as it plays out, it is Marc's own desire which outs him to his mum. There's no keeping this quiet now.
23. The scene with Marc's mum waiting in the car plays out and is quite frustrating. Mum tries to place a "guilt trip" on Marc when implying she failed in raising him "to be like that..." Marc's response is quite surprising and shows Marc becoming more embolden, willing to stand up to mum... that's tough, maybe too tough.
24. Next, we see a calm bliss return to those who do not know but Marc, standing over the grill and bits and piece of his relationship with Kay coming out - Marc goes jogging with Kay, Why or How could Marc not notice that Kay was gay? All presumptive questions to which Marc is defensive, clearly.
25. Will someone please explain what the significance of the men / family raising the pole outside Marc's home? Gotta be a "new born" tradition Does it have high importance to the context. I read this scene as perhaps this is going to "blow over" until Kay show up, INVITED by Bettina but clearly not wanted to be there by the homophobic mum, dad and co-worker. Marc finally asks Kay to leave after finding Kay being cornered and confronted by Marc's parents. The whole scene reeks of the typical ..." we accept you (gays) but just not in my back yard.. " pathetic line of being. It is clear from this point that Marc's parents will never accept Marc being gay.
26. These next few minutes we see Marc descend into misery. He returns his key to Kay. Bettina leaves him and he's finally alone - no one but himself sitting outside drinking beers. Bettina's line about being almost afraid to hear the truth now is telling - she's figured it out but does not want to "know it"..
This is the only time in the movie I actually cried: when Bettina screams "What are you then?" Their voices had been so low and controlled, then she just loses it. Totally took me by surprise - again, great acting on her part.
27. Marc finally makes his first choice, save his family but his crude attempt at reconciliation with Bettina does not go well. Marc, notice he never answers Bettina's question about his sexuality? It remains open... which clearly is unacceptable by Bettina. Marc, then broken retreats into the only thing he has left, domestication and hope that Bettina will return and forgive - maybe. As I recall, again Marc is being selfish.. he dos not want to "lose both Bettina and his son"...does he ever say he's really sorry?
28. So what do you think of the shower scene? This is a bookend for the painting the nursery where Marc attacks Bettina only this time, he's the victim. How do you like it? You like it from behind? Show me how? So is Bettina's goal to humiliate Marc - is it anger? Is it love? What's she really trying to do here? This is raw and emotional. Starting out with a close up through the hazy shower curtain of Mark showering off the sweat from his run and ending in what you almost think is OK but then Bettina remembers, it was a man - how this be and clearly rejects Marc again even alone, sitting naked in the shower...
29. I've very glad they did not use the alternate ending, it was bad enough for Marc, who after the shower confirms his life with Bettina is over, decides now that well he can make it Kay - selfish prick... this is another "me, me, me" moment that plays out badly for Marc.
30. So why does Marc provoke Gregor in the locker room? Is he trying to get himself beaten purposely? Is he trying to get enough evidence on Gregor to get him fired? Does Marc now just hate himself? Do we find clues in the next scenes of Marc dancing alone in the gay bar, doing drugs and wishing his pickup was Kay, but no, not Kay. Was Marc truly not gay and only in love in Kay?
31. Marc's final reconciliation, this time with himself, surfaces while driving home. This reminds me of Jack's drive to Mexico - though for different reasons. Marc's clearly lost Kay and now must really face the music that he cannot live like this and will lose Bettina and his family. This is a tough scene to watch - especially if you've been there.
32. The final sequences book-end nicely with the opening. But why has Marc returned to the academy - to be retrained in something else? Did he fail some test and be sent back? Was it his choice? This is unclear. What is clear is when Marc enters the empty room, sits and clearly remembers his time with Kay. When Marc pulls from the middle of the pack, becoming the lead, he's no longer afraid is he? This time he's in shape is embolden confident and is ready to live a life, a different life than last time - only perhaps a lonely one.
Yes, it appears to me that Marc takes Kay's hand and guides it to where both want it to end up.
V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so wright about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.
BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.
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About the car/rain scene: you are right, amused is the word I was looking for. Kay looked amused.
Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy.
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.
In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.
But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.
SPOILERS!
V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so wright about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.
BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.
About the car/rain scene: you are right, amused is the word I was looking for. Kay looked amused.
Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy.
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.
In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.
But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.Interesting, the actors comments, and thank you for translating and posting them here. That was a difficult scene to watch, really, for Marc. So many emotions going through his head. It's exactly as you said: Kay is not interchangeable with another guy. Great comment.
And it was like he was making something up to Kay by no longer denying what they had together.
And it may sound rediculous, but when Marc said to Gregor: Is that all you've got? PUSSY, that was for me the most emotional moment of the movie.
He said Kay's word, pussy. And the way he said it, I can't explain why, but for me this made Kay so present. Really, I cried my eyes out.
No, I dont think it had something to do with self-punishment. I think Marc was no langer ashamed and able to stand up for himself.
Yeah, I guess I'll have to break down and subscribe to one of the services. Does Amazon sell a DVD that's playable in North America?
I don't see that. I guess I'll have to watch that scene over and over and over ;)
It is hard to see if you are not looking for the hands, specifically.
Hi BF, I'm also happy that I can discuss this film now.
I hope more people will watch it, like it and want to discuss it.
After watching a lot of times and hearing the audio comments (director and actors discussed so much about every scene, every detail had a meaning, the lead actors had a lot of input (especially in the sex/love scenes) about what they wanted to show en how they wanted to do that), I think I like the movie even more.
The forest scene: I still think it was the intention of the movie makers to give the impression that Marc was leading Kay's hand in a certain direction, but you are right again about the left/right hand. Probably this scene is shot in parts and from different sides and I think this happens all the time when making movies, without the viewers noticing this.
Good that you did. Ik could see this a thousend times without noticing.
However, of course you could be right and the intention is diffent.
Curious what others will think when they watched the movie.
It's a little detail but in my opinion important how to interpret. It's quite a difference: Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants because Marc "asked" him to or Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants despite Marc tried to push him away.
Then another thing. I was wondering why Marc was back in the training camp. But could it be possible that he was doing that run test at that moment (at the end of the movie)?
One other thing about the scene in Kay's apartment. After Kay told Marc he loved him, they wrapped their arms around each other and kissed. At a certain moment Marc put's his tongue in Kay's mouth and to me it looked like if Max withdrew his head, as if he was shocked a little (like: hey fellow, take it easy). Curious what you think.
About Max: on youtube I found a nice video. Is from a few years ago, but I liked it anyway. You see pieces of several movies and interviews and all comments are in English. When you search for Kino the German film magazin you will find it. From 14.20 it's about babyface max
Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”? I find that a particularly offensive comparison. But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay. I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.
As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.
Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there. He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed. Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached. “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?” “Not really.” It’s like he’s using Kay.
What did you think of the club scene? I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it! They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love. Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun! Something he’s not having at home anymore. When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right. Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him. I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings. IDK, I could be wrong.
Very well put. Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose? On the same side? And Britt. I liked her character.
I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him. She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.” Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me. What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay? Or straight, for that matter. What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her. And how did he get home? He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom.
To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual? The scene in the bar is strange. Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay? Why take x? He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second. One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.
Yes. This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really. that was cold. V.
The club scene, while I get it, maybe I'm just too old but they felt a bit out of place. I always pictured the club scenes, and from the ones I've seen, to cater to the younger crowds. Both Marc and Kay, at least for me, seem in the late 20's and a bit more mature to need the "clubbing"... I think this was done for effect to show how far Kay could coax Marc into shifting.. ..perhaps?
Yes, I can see your point about the locker room.. is this birth celebration hurting Kay? But I felt, knowing what we've seen it was more Marc concerned about Marc.. V.
Yes. This is where we see again the selfish side of Marc.. me, not really. that was cold. V.
Yes, it was kind of cold. But don't forget that Kay is a free man and Marc has a relationship and is a father-to-be. A huge responsibility. I think at this point Marc doesn't want to think about choices, leaving his family is no option yet. He wants everything the way it is now en he feels threatened by kay's question.
Also I think at this time Marc didn't realise how important Kay had become to him. Sometimes you just miss something/somebody when it's gone.
Maybe it was selfish, but understandable. Marc had so much to loose.
After the baby was born, he really wanted to make the best of it with Bettina and baby. It hated the way he handled this with Kay, but maybe this was the only way he could handle it. Telling Kay and himself that it was only an affair.
He had to experience himself that it didn't work anymore with Bettina. And that Kay wasn't just an affair.
Too late, but this is what happens so often in life.
I know, I felt so bad for Kay. And then he offers his apartment key to Marc. Granted, Kay would also get something out of it if/when Marc came over since they would make love; still, the gesture says a lot about Kay and his feelings. You don't do something like that, open up your life and your home, if you're just out for sex. It also implies that Kay is prepared to be monogamous with Marc.Yeapper. Kay offered Marc a life with him.. that "cow and calf operation..." we are familiar with from BBM. Perhaps Kay had been here before and was tired of the "just sex"..., and thought he'd found a real, longer term partner in Marc? The club scene delivered just sex without strings...which maybe isn't what Kay needed. Kay opened to Marc and Marc simply dismissed him. Still cold. Yes, I agree, the club scene is stereotypical but accurate for some, not all. V.
Just got confirmation from Amazon.com, I should be getting the movie on Saturday sometime.
So, so sieht es aus (if I remember well about the bowling hall scene).
Again there's no literal translation but in English it would be like: so, this is how the situation is.
But I guess know you know is not a bad translation, the meaning is the same.
Just got confirmation from Amazon.com, I should be getting the movie on Saturday sometime.
Yes the raised fist is symbolic of Marc fighting / anger with himself but then realizes he can leave.. back to the forest.. only this time he does leave V.
..I agree. This is the moment Marc realizes that the pleasure of just getting a BJ from a stranger cannot equate to the happiness , all be it limited, he experienced with Kay. V.
Yes, what happened with Gregor is totally positive, since it makes him admit he's been with Kay. But the scene after that, in the club with the stranger, so so sad! That's when it seems that everything registers in his mind: he loves Kay, but it's too late...and then the drive home - devastating.
Yeah, naked. They are. I thought I read somewhere, can't remember where, that Hanno had it in his contract for no frontal nudity - I guess Max was a little more, uh, ok with that. He's all about authenticity and integrity in his work - he's pretty damn authentic. I'm surprised that a star of his caliber in Germany would agree to that.I agree. Nude. There are several nude / frontal shots with Max. This very intimate scene was where he turns to to his left. With Hans there's only one scene I remember where there's really any nudity and when he's attacked in the shower. Our view is quite blurred thru the curtain. V.
You said: even Hanno said it was exciting. Curious what you mean by that?
Hanno and Max love each other in real life (they literally said so in an interview) and I think they both found it exciting to play this role and were very happy to do this together because there is chemistry in real life. But Hanno/Max is not the same as Marc/Kay.
Yes it was Max, I remember the interview.
But in another interview he said something like: to play the role I had to be convinced that it could happen to me, falling in love with another man.
I wonder what it is that convinced him. I am not sure how to interpret this. I know he is straight but there must be something that convinced hem that the line between gay/straight can be thin. In another interview he mentioned that thin line himself.
But I guess it is just my imagination.
Part of another interview at the same link. I googled to try to find a picture of what he's talking about but could only find the one below:
RIEMELT: The movie (Free Fall) is almost a sequel. Hanno, do you remember the scene in 'Auslandseinsatz' where we departed?
KOFFLER: The moment in front of the bus?
RIEMELT: Yes, we are standing face to face there, and all you're thinking is: 'Any moment they'll start kissing.'
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LOL!
I just read another interview with Hanno (through google translate); I didn't know he also has a daughter. There's really no info in the US press about either of these guys. Usually when you google an actor or actress, you get pics of their girlfriends/boyfriends or husbands/wives, who they're dating, etc. But seems like the German press is not covering that at all. Which is good for Hanno and Max, keeps their private lives private.
I'm not on Facebook, so I can't see the comments, but I'm not surprised.
I wonder if Lacant and the actors would consider it, I think it could be very successful. If they do, they should definitely release it in theatres in the US, not just at queer film festivals. I think it would appeal to a much larger audience if it was promoted.
Free fall was a low budget production. Stephan Lacant said that they were happy that the movie made it to the german cinema's and that they didn't expect the film would get so much attention. And, as I understood well, in Germany it was not shown in a lot of cinema's and mostly the smaller ones. I think because the movie is considered as a "gay movie" , just interesting for certain target group. And that's so not true!
Do you really think this movie (foreign country, subtitled, being sold as "gay movie"), would do good in US cinema's?
I got an idea of what they're talking about via Google translate: if Hanno wins, it would be an upset over the "favorite" Dieter Hallervorden?
Dafür begegnet einem bei den Herren allen Ernstes Dieter Hallervorden als greiser Marathonläufer („Sein letztes Rennen“) – man sollte es dann nicht für einen Scherz der Showautoren halten, wenn er statt Hanno Koffler („Freier Fall“) oder Sascha Alexander Gersak („5 Jahre Leben“) mit einer Lola nach Hause ginge.
I got an idea of what they're talking about via Google translate: if Hanno wins, it would be an upset over the "favorite" Dieter Hallervorden?
Dafür begegnet einem bei den Herren allen Ernstes Dieter Hallervorden als greiser Marathonläufer („Sein letztes Rennen“) – man sollte es dann nicht für einen Scherz der Showautoren halten, wenn er statt Hanno Koffler („Freier Fall“) oder Sascha Alexander Gersak („5 Jahre Leben“) mit einer Lola nach Hause ginge.
Hi Nancy ;),
I am not sure what they talking about. I put it in Dutch translater but I still don't understand.
Maybe one of the German people here can help?
However, I hope Hanno wins, he deserves it.
New movie for Hanno. Not sure if the title is right, I got it from translate.
Shooting begins on "Special gravity of guilt" in Dormagen (from left): Hanno Koffler, Producer Tim Rostock, Kaspar Heidel Bach (Director), Hans-Martin Stier, Götz George, Thomas Thieme, Angelika Bartsch, Wilfried Hochholdinger, Anna Fischer.
well this doesn't look good
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I found the complete article in the FAZ. It has a holier-than-you attitude and tries to be sarcastic. It badmouthes the Lola-Show and the awards as a whole.
The above mentioned is rather meant the other way 'round: it's ridiculous that Dieter Hallervorden is even nominated and thus would be a bad joke if Hallervorden won the award instead of Koffler.
No, this doesn't look like Hanno at all.
Well, I got my DVD in the mail today and there is no bonus audio, not even in German. Not even the deleted scenes are on it. >:(
Try this: don't choose the english version but the german version. I choose the dutch version and there were no extra's. I'm sure the extra's will be there.
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Can you image? Him kissing with Max? I think free fall would be ...uhm...less interesting to watch.
Need brain bleach to get that image out of my head!
I ordered it from Amazon US, not Germany.
I can't find where I can change between countries. the main menu shows 4 choices: Play, Chapters, Bonus & Setup. The Bonus takes me to only the trailer that is on youtube, and to trailers for other Wolfe movies. The setup is for stereo choice. Oh well, I guess they didn't think the US market would be interested in the extras - wrong!
Thanks for your help :)
I did try that, I still couldn't see anything. First there's the FBI warning not to copy the DVD. Then there's a short ad with some random actors telling you not to pirate videos. Then there's an ad for the movie Pit Stop. Then there's an ad for the movie Divine. Then I get to the main menu with the 4 choices I mentioned. No flags :-\
This is great!
Yes, I've seen the deleted scene of them when Marc gets the leg cramp, but didn't know what Kay said to him, about his breathing. That would have been great to leave in, it really explains why they start running together, and why Kay keeps telling him to breathe evenly.
The canteen scene! Wasn't that great? I love the look on Kay's face, too - he's so cocky and sure of himself. This would have been better than the "new collegue" scene. They should have asked us about this!
These were good scenes - I wonder what else ended up on the cutting room floor. They could make a fortune selling out-takes from the bed scene at Kay's ;)
Thank you so much!
The reason you can't choose different countries' versions on your DVD is that you have a different DVD. DVDs have different region codes. European DVDs don't play in American DVD-players and vice versa.
Here's an overview of the different region codes:
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DVDs are region coded for copyright issues, release date control and also due to the fact that you North Americans have different color technology build in your TVs. Yours run on NTSC while ours have PAL or SECAM.
Hi Mariska & Vincent,
you guys are the only ones who've seen the movie, so what's your opinion on this? Is there any significance to the fact that, when Marc goes to the club without Kay, he's wearing the same "Super Racers" t-shirt that Bettina is wearing when he comes back after their "close encounter" in the forest?
I didn't notice Marc was wearing the same shirt (you really notice everything, don't you? :D).
But in the comments they said that Bettina loves to wear Marc's shirt (so the shirt is Marc's) while Marc is cheating on her.
If there is any significance (but I don't know if it was done on purpose Marc wearing that shirt in the club), it seems to me like: Bettina doesn't want to wear his shirt anymore.
WOW.. Nice catch! I agree. Maybe thought Marc made him appear younger...? That's the first thing that pops in my mind. CHeers, V.
Just finished watching the movie on DVD. Like other North American ones, no extras such as commentary.
Very powerful movie, now I can read some of the comments y'all have made.
This is the interview (in English) where he mentions his daughter. (I thought Max was from Berlin, but not Hanno)
Countdown to the German Movie Awards: Interview with Hanno Koffler about his pajamas, his dream to make music and his hometown Berlin
http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with (http://awz-deroandco.tumblr.com/post/85242763320/countdown-to-the-german-movie-awards-interview-with)
Bettina wore his shirts to feel close to him while he was gone, now she isn't wearing them anymore She has discarded the shirts (and Marc), and he has claimed them (and himself) again.
Just finished watching the movie on DVD. Like other North American ones, no extras such as commentary.
Very powerful movie, now I can read some of the comments y'all have made.
Sometimes it's difficult to express in Dutch what I feel about something, but in English is even more difficult. But this is exactly what I meant.
You said the words, "breaking up the bond with Bettina? Or that Marc is on his own now?" I just moved them around a little :)
WOW - Frank & Britt! Just when I was thinking what a nice happy couple Frank & Claudia were!
I'm glad they didn't go with that sub-plot, it would have been too much, and too far away from the storyline, it would have just muddied the water.
If anything, they could have done Kay & Britt - as it is, you (well, if you watch it as many times as I have!) have to imagine that when he wasn't with Marc he could be with Britt, if he wanted to. But even that would have intruded on the story of Marc & Kay, and that's what I was invested in seeing. I mean, they kept Kay so hidden; what did he do with his time when he wasn't with Marc? And how often did they see each other? For some reason, I really want to know more about that. When they do part 2, I certainly hope they come to me for ideas ::)
From the comments: Kay was supposed to be hidden and mysterious. He just shows up in Marc's life. All the questions: how much time between the scenes, how often, how long, etc. wasn't important. The scenes showed the actual status, not the time it took.
So, in the fourth deleted scene Marc and Frank have been drinking together.
Hi Mariska,
thank you so much for explaining the deleted scenes for me. I found all 6, but they have Russian subtitles!! So your explanations really helped.
you're so right about the scene in the bowling alley. I could hear Marc say "Engel", so I knew when they started talking about him, and then he just quietly fell apart. :'(
I put the link for the 6 deleted scenes with Russian subs below anyway.
http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733 (http://vk.com/video-39818588_167204733)
He's TORN with his family responsibilities. He cannot abandon his new born baby and his son's mother - "we didn't raise you like this.." It's a commitment he's cemented once Bettina became pregnant and his son was born. If the pregnancy and then baby were not part of the story, it would have been simpler for Marc and Bettina to go separate ways with no strings, no commitments for at least the next 18 years. The desire to be parts of your child's life is overwhelming for most. But then again, this conflict is central to the story. V
Curious about your opinions: Does Kay have any fault in all this? He went after Marc, getting transferred to his unit, "if you do want to go jogging sometime", knowing that he was in a committed relationship with a woman who was pregnant with his child.
Sorry if this is a naïve question, did Kay think Marc was gay up until the time he met Bettina? Or was he just taking a chance with a straight guy that he was attracted to?
Ennis was torn to support his family and was on that path until the Alma screen door / stairwaryk event. Marc's torn in the same way. Both he and Ennis have a "sense of duty" to honor their fatherly responsibilities (man-up) for the kids which becomes gut wrenching to even consider walking away. We hear this from Marc more than once when he struggles and again in one of the deleted scenes.
I think Ennis never would have chosen for Jack. Not even when he divorsed Alma.
Absolutely. Kay is responsible - majorly so for the initiating these events. We do not know but perhaps Marc would not explored those feelings if Kay had not been the instigator and been present daily as a reminder. Marc's surprise to see Kay is no accident b/c he thought he's dodged a bullet by not going to see Kay again... then he could / would continue down this thread with Bettina, son, fatherly responsibilities, life, ...
The "now you know" like from Marc in the restroom says "I have responsibilities - a pregnant wife" loud and clear to me -so even if I really wanted to, I cannot "walk away..."
That's a tough one. We don't know what transpired in the training / roomie situation. We are shown tension and animosity between Marc and Kay during training exercises so perhaps Kay had already started playing Marc and Marc was resisting then. Maybe Kay was taking a chance pursing a "mostly" straight guy that he thought he had a chance with? That's a strong statement and Kay transferring to Marc's unit is an even stronger statement from Kay in his beliefs - really. There's a big difference in a one-time-thing and pursuit. It is interesting that them being roomies and bunk mates that Marc never mentioned that he's an expecting father - really? That would generally be on the top of the queue? It leads perhaps to the answer to your question - why?
More we are not told.... V.
Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.
That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay - even though he denies to the end being gay, he made a huge step by admitting to Gregor & Bettina that he had been with Kay (even though he reduced it to "an affair"). Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave. That's a helluva lot to keep inside.
Curious about your opinions: Does Kay have any fault in all this? He went after Marc, getting transferred to his unit, "if you do want to go jogging sometime", knowing that he was in a committed relationship with a woman who was pregnant with his child.
Sorry if this is a naïve question, did Kay think Marc was gay up until the time he met Bettina? Or was he just taking a chance with a straight guy that he was attracted to?
Yes, that's exactly how I see it, too. He denied his depth of feelings for Kay as long as he could, passing it off as unimportant, in order to do what he thought was the "right thing". After Bettina was gone, so was his reason to deny his real feelings for Kay.
Marc can not reconcile the dichotomy and struggle within himself to pursue Kay. Why? Because Kay bolted / moved away and pursuing Kay would mean Marc must leave his son and that commitment... which is why he could not remain with Kay even if Kay stayed...(before it all blew up..)
No, is a good question. I think Kay tested Marc with little things like the smoke kiss and grapping his hand to light the cigaret. And then the looks between them. I guess Kay felt that Marc had feelings (and after the forest incident he was sure), but because of the way Marc reacted (a little chocked, surprised, in the forest really shocked) it should be clear to Kay that Marc had not this kind of experiences with men.
So I guess that Kay knew (at least he should know) that Marc leaded a hetero life.
The ending is a no win. Everyone is devastated / hurt and no one got what they wanted - not Marc, not Kay, not Brittina, no her parents, no one.
Marc is not free. He has just accepted what he has lost and is tying to move on the only way he knows now, which is to be a better policeman - hence the return to the track / ending.
I think.... a movie like this gives a lot of room for own interpretation. That was exactly the intention of the film makers. About the end they said literally: the end is open, everyone can decide for themselves whether the end is good or bad.
I guess personal life experiences influence the interpretation and I watched the movie from my own point of view.
The ending ( the running scene) has a symbolic meaning: Marc is capable of breathing again. That was my feeling about it but confirmed by the comments. That also was the moment they suggested this could be the beginning for a part 2.
Marc may be alone and devestated but for me he is free to discover himself and rebuild his life again, whatever that may be. Hanno Koffler said in an interview: the greatest personality developments are hidden in life crises. I agree with that.
The scene at the end with Gregor was important. To me it was like: now you know who I am, whether you like it or not. That's a good start.
Nancy, which happy scene between Marc and Kay is your favorite?
I have 2 favorites: the short scene running in the forest (before they end up in kay's appartment). Look how Marc's face is shining, so happy and relaxed.
And the other in the bathroom at the club (forget the drugs). So cute and in love.
And which one of the sex/love scenes?
I can't choose - all of them.
What was the most emotional moment for you?
For me it's the pussyword from Marc to Gregor.
The ending is a no win. Everyone is devastated / hurt and no one got what they wanted - not Marc, not Kay, not Brittina, no her parents, no one.
Another one. Who is more handsome? Kay or Marc? ;D
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by the narrowest of margins :)
Nancy, which happy scene between Marc and Kay is your favorite?
I have 2 favorites: the short scene running in the forest (before they end up in kay's appartment). Look how Marc's face is shining, so happy and relaxed.
And the other in the bathroom at the club (forget the drugs). So cute and in love.
And which one of the sex/love scenes?
I can't choose - all of them.
What was the most emotional moment for you?
For me it's the pussyword from Marc to Gregor.
Same here. The stubble definitely helps.
I love the scene in the parking lot early in the movie. There's so much sexual tension, and the looks between them - damn.
I also like the club scene, but when they're dancing. They're so dorky and adorable, I love the way Marc looks at Kay *sigh*
Yes all - the first kiss we see when Marc is so giving, when they are in Kay's bed, is so lovely. But if I can choose another, I also love the kiss in the hospital - right before everything goes to shit.
Yes, when Marc stands up for himself (and Kay) to Gregor. But it's tied with Bettina's reaction when she screams "What are you then?" Her emotion in that scene took me by surprise, and made me feel all the hurt and betrayal she felt.
I know it's just a publicity shot for a magazine, but I love this of the two of them
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I read a discussion about that kiss on twitter. Apparently we are not the only obsessed ones.
But it's tied with Bettina's reaction when she screams "What are you then?" Her emotion in that scene took me by surprise, and made me feel all the hurt and betrayal she felt.
I think Ennis never would have chosen for Jack. Not even when he divorsed Alma.Please explain I do not understand your meaning. V
can you post the link, or is it in German?
Why not? Marc is separated from Bettina en a new love/relationship doesn't mean he can't take responsibility for his child. Assumed that Kay would have stayed, why do you think the child would hold Marc back from a relationshilp with Kay?The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Yeah, Ennis would never be able to get past his fear.So Ennis going to Jack's home .....didn't tell Jsck's mom ? She knew his and Jsck's story and accepted it. Marc's mother had a visceral reaction followed by direct confrontation with Kay. V
That's another big difference between the two movies: at least Marc was able to face up to the fact that he loved Kay ...... Ennis would carry his secret of his love for Jack to his grave. That's a helluva lot to keep inside.
Please explain I do not understand your meaning. V
I agree with the "no-win" statement, everyone lost what they thought they had.Yes hence my comment about Marc realizing he has 'fallen' and now is trying to recover himself. I'm insure how to convey this better. The ending has meanings on several levels. Just like the parting 'window' framing the golden fields of wheat in Brokeback. V
But none of them will stay in that static state. Most certainly Marc, but even Bettina and his parents, will come to accept what has happened and move on.
I know it's just a publicity shot for a magazine, but I love this of the two of themI love this shot. Thanks for sharing it. Speaks well of both. V
So Ennis going to Jack's home .....didn't tell Jsck's mom ? She knew his and Jsck's story and accepted it. Marc's mother had a visceral reaction followed by direct confrontation with Kay. V
The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Trying to be a parent if one is not there daily is hard damn hard and from Marc's sense of responsibility I do not feel he could have left locally. V
Yes hence my comment about Marc realizing he has 'fallen' and now is trying to recover himself. I'm insure how to convey this better. The ending has meanings on several levels. Just like the parting 'window' framing the golden fields of wheat in Brokeback. V
The assumption is IF Kay stayed. He did not and I do not think he intended to as he already had asked Marc about leaving.
Trying to be a parent if one is not there daily is hard damn hard and from Marc's sense of responsibility I do not feel he could have left locally. V
Don't the two endings seem directly opposite?
Ennis trapped inside that trailer with a view to nowhere, the mountain gone, all is flat, his love inside the closet.
Marc out in the open, pulling away from the others, leaving them behind, stronger than before Kay. IDK, just my thoughts.
Do you think Marc was going to ever say I am gay and I love Kay? It's a long way from admitting to having an affair and another level of being to say I am gay After all he'd already punched Kay and denied it at the car incident rage. Cheers V
I don't think I've posted this one before, if I have, sorry for the duplicate
And what if it was only Kay? Do you believe that could be true? I have no frame of reference for that; I've only heard opinions that you can't be "gay" for 1 person........like Ennis was for Jack
I love the scene in the parking lot early in the movie. There's so much sexual tension, and the looks between them - damn.
We don't know if Marc is gay. I don't think so, he had a sexual relationship with Bettina and probably with other women before her. The only thing we really know he felt (strongly) attracted to Kay. Does that mean he is bi?You said it better than my feeble attempt. I'll clarify..
I don't know if he is ever going to say I am gay, I think Marc doesn't know yet what/who he is. And maybe that is not important and the only thing that counts is the one he loves, man or woman. Kay or eventually someone else. I agree with you that Marc is not ready for a relationship with Kay, but the end was a little hopeful (as I see it) and that's why a part two would be interesting.
Parking lot? I can't remember a parking lot. You mean the scene when Kay grabs Marcs hand to light the cigaret?
Question about that thene. When Kay walks away, what is Marc thinking?
And what was Marc thinking after the cigarette kiss when he touched his lips? He seems surprised but not negative surprised.
Well, when Gregor asks if something was going on between him & Kay, Marc says yes, which earns him a beating. That's a pretty big step from punching Kay and denying everything.
And what if it was only Kay? Do you believe that could be true? I have no frame of reference for that; I've only heard opinions that you can't be "gay" for 1 person........like Ennis was for Jack
That move was an intimate test which most straight guys would have very like punched Kay... Cheers, V.
Rewatch the scene, Marc never said yes, Gregor implied... What is Marc was just defending Kay's rights?
Parking lot? I can't remember a parking lot. You mean the scene when Kay grabs Marcs hand to light the cigaret?
Question about that thene. When Kay walks away, what is Marc thinking?
And what was Marc thinking after the cigarette kiss when he touched his lips? He seems surprised but not negative surprised.
To answer Mariska's question about what Marc was thinking after Kay gave him the shotgun with the joint, then kissed him: I think the look on his face is "why did I like that?" (or "why didn't I punch him?"), and I'm assuming he had a, uh, physical reaction that shocked him.
I didn't notice any physical reaction. Made Max's input in the scene a little unbelieveble?? Or do I have a wrong idea about this or maybe I missed something. Didn't yoy notice?We don't know what exactly had played before and well that part of the scene is out of focus. A male's size and state of arousal varies widely, so "it depends" Max could have been in "recharge" mode b/c the next play it is clearly Marc's. V.
I thought he nods yes, then asks "Jealous?"I rewatched - you are correct, Marc does issue a slight "nod" but it's not a strong affirmative yes... it could have been just a normal body movement - can play either way. I did not notice that until your post. Gregor's realization does not come until after the "Jealous" comment.. V.
As for what he's thinking when Kay walks away - he's disappointed, relieved, confused, and most definitely he feels desire........
We don't know what exactly had played before and well that part of the scene is out of focus. A male's size and state of arousal varies widely, so "it depends" Max could have been in "recharge" mode b/c the next play it is clearly Marc's. V.
The heart and mind often do not agree and that was Marc's case.
It is possible once one allows it to be. Cheers, V.
I rewatched - you are correct, Marc does issue a slight "nod" but it's not a strong affirmative yes... it could have been just a normal body movement - can play either way. I did not notice that until your post. Gregor's realization does not come until after the "Jealous" comment.. V.
We know from the roadside chase where Kay forces Marc off the road and confronts him, Marc rages "I am not gay. Got it?" while punching Kay in full denial. He also reinforces his sense of responsibility in this sequence with "I am a father now... Shall I just abandon them?" This "not gay" is reinforced again during his locker room fight / encounter with Gregor, Marc never says he's gay, nor does he openly say / admit he had a relationship with Kay. Watch it carefully. He asks Gregor if he is Jealous.. after Gregor implies Marc and Kay "had something between you two..." Yes, Marc kissed Gregor to clearly provoke him but nothing more... Marc grew a set.. Then when we see Marc next he's is in the club alone where he does a casual pickup, but realizes he cannot follow thru with casual sex with a stranger - not Kay. Like Ennis's relationship with only Jack, Marc only appears attracted to Kay enough to have sex - no one else. There's a big difference internally between accepting and saying "I am gay" and engaging someone implying there was a "something between you two.." That's why I think Marc will not admit to being "gay" aka very similar to Ennis.. V.
The roadside chase....I know he denies being gay, denies loving Kay (only an affair) but he also said: I can't abandon Bettina and the baby (like you said). In an earlier post I wrote my opinion about this. At that time there was no other option for him than stay with Bettina and his newborn child, which is understandable. As I wrote before, I think this was his biggest conflict. So, what else could he do than deny, to himself and to Kay. He wants to believe his feelings for Kay were temporary, something that would never happen again, to make a new start with Bettina and baby.
But these are just my thoughts about this.
The scene with Gregor: I understand he was provoking Gregor, but I can't see the word “jealous” as anything else than a confirmation and not only standing up for Kay’s rights. Marc could have stand up for Kay’s rights without giving the impression that he had something going on with Kay.
Something in that scene gave me the feeling that something changed in Marc.
Since the car chase incident, a few thing happened (his relationship with Bettina didn’t work anymore, the pain he felt when Kay left, in the gay bar he discovered that just-a-guy didn’t replace Kay).
I think he faced just 1 fact: that Kay was more than just an affair and Marc was in pain because of Kay during the Gregor scene.
Maybe Marc wanted to make something up for Kay by admitting their relation or maybe he felt the need to show his feelings he was ashamed of before.
I agree with you that this is something else than admitting he’s gay or start a real relationship with another man. But I still think at certain moment he will make the choice of his heart.
Ennis and Jack loved each other for a lifetime. So why not Marc and Kay?
It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it. I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.Marc
So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time? If there was a part 2, what would you like to see? How would you like to see it played out?
Mariska - you, too. If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
Yes, he WANTS to believe his feelings are fleeting, but ultimately, he cannot.
Yes, absolutely, something in him changed. He acknowledged that he had feelings for Kay, that he loved him.
Yes. Kay cannot be replaced by another faceless guy. It was him, Kay - the man, that person, that Marc loved.......not a mouth or a dick. (sorry)
Yes.
And yes!
It is slight, but I thought it was because of the camera angle; again, it's how each person views it. I saw him nod "yes" from my first viewing.It could be played several ways. It would nice to see a happier ending when Marc is able to be a part of his son's life and may another go with Kay but there'd have to be a struggle to get there or there would be not enough there for a good film. I can also see the thread where Marc and Brittina reunite but Marc is never really happy or one with the world. So many routes. V
So do you think Marc was still denying Kay, and his feelings for him, at this time? If there was a part 2, what would you like to see? How would you like to see it played out?
Mariska - you, too, If Lacant decided to do part 2 and came to you for input, what would you like to see?
and may another go with Kay but there'd have to be a struggle to get there or there would be not enough there for a good film.
Or, the difficulties could be around the fact that Bettina won't let Marc see his son. She's so bitter, even more so if she finds out that Marc and Kay are together, that she tries to legally keep him from having visitation rights. This would cause conflict, not only between Marc & Bettina, but Marc & Kay, as they try to get used to being together, at the same time having to deal with this outside problem. I don't know anything about German law in this matter.
But I think Bettina could feel so betrayed that she would go in this direction, at least until she had enough time to get over it, and realize that keeping her son away from his father is more of a punishment for the boy than for Marc. It could also be played out in a positive light, so it would end well.
I think, if this would be the case, there's no room for Kay at all in the story. That's such a heavy sitiuation for a father. Marc would do anything to see his son. Except that: I don't know how this works in the USA, but in the Netherlands is almost impossible to legally keep a father from having visitation rights. Being unfaithful or having homosexual contacts makes him not a bad father. (Hopefully in the US the same?).
Another question in a review: would this movie be as good as it is with other actors?
My answer: not a chance.
The chemistry between Max/Hanno is unique and that's what makes the movie so credible and intense.
As for conflict/struggle in their relationship, one direction is Marc's jealousy. Albeit a cliché, it exists on some level in a lot of relationships, it already reared its ugly head in Kay's apartment. And if Marc and Kay do decide to try it on, Kay will be so much more accustomed to the lifestyle - Marc would have a lot of learning and growing to do, I can see lots of friction there.
Kay has already been patient with Marc, but he'd have to know that he would be the "leader" (I hesitate to use that word, but he will be showing Marc a lot about something with which Marc has no experience), and allow for mistakes on both sides.
Understood. But she might be so screwed up by the whole thing that she would even lie about Marc (drinking, drugs, out all night - which Frank could attest to - , irresponsible) to make a case against him. If they were already living together, Kay would be there to support him, but it would add a tremendous struggle to their relationship, but all the better when they come out of it, having fought for it together.
nononononononono :) only Max & Hanno
Exactly my thoughts.
And your flashback idea is so genius. It gives the opportunity to make a realistic part 2 and still see a lot of Max/Hanno scenes in it.
We should send it to Stephan Lacant. I'm sure he would love it :).
We are not the only ones wanting a sequel: a lot of people are begging for it (on facebook, twitter, reviews).
Get me an address. I'll meet you there, we can gang up on him and make him listen!
And I love your "part III" idea!!! ;D We could keep these guys gainfully employed for years to come, just w/this movie!
Do you know anyone in "real life" that likes this movie as much as we do?
Stephan Lacant has no facebook, no twitter, can't find anything.
In real life: no, I don't know anyone who watched the movie but I'm considering giving the DVD to my ex husband (and his girlfriend). I don't know if straight guys would like it, so I'm curious to his opinion.
I watched freier fall by accident. I almost never watch German movies and I'm not specially looking for gay themed movies. I chose this one from netflix because of Max riemelts name and never thougt it would impress me like this.
I think in the Netherlands not many people watch German movies.
Heath Ledger: I just know him from BBM. But yes, he was a great talent.
A Knight's Tale: My absolute favorite after Brokeback, I love it. It was made before Brokeback, when he was still a "teen idol". But his acting, his presence, is just great. Rufus Sewell, another one of my favorites (Zen) is in it also.
10 Things I Hate About You is a great "teen movie", you should really watch it if you get the chance. He is dynamic.
Casanova: I saw this after Brokeback. He's amazing (I know I use that word a lot for him, but you have to see him)
Monster's Ball: I did not like the movie. I watched until his character was out of the script. Not an easy movie to watch, but he is amazing. I read that this is the role that got him the Brokeback part.
I never saw The Brothers Grimm, I'm Not There, Ned Kelly and some others. But I really think you would like the ones I listed, Knight's Tale is my favorite, he doesn't hide his accent and I love that.
yesterday is the first day since early March that I didn't watch all or part of the movie - so I'm watching it this morning :) . Don't want it to just fade away-
So cute!
You won't believe it's him in the Dark Knight, he completely loses himself in the role, as he does in all of them, I think.
Yesss, so cute. At this moment he's reallly my number one actor (have to admit because of his looks, especially his smile).
Some time ago you wrote something about him naked in Free Fall and why an welknown actor as him should do that.
I found this in an older interview:
Max told the interviewer he was kind of timid with women. The interviewer asked: But in alsmost every movie you had a nude scene. Don’t you have trouble with that?
Max: in the beginning I was very stressed because of all the other people on the set. I imagined they looked at me all the time. Everyone was dressed except me.
But now I’m getting more relaxed about it.
I know he was naked before in movies (but never that naked as in freier fall). I didn't understand why. Not that I hate Max seeing naked but the movie and the actors didn't need this. Stephan Lacant said he wanted to make a movie with cultural value, not for commercial reasons. So why then advertising with "full frontal nudity"?
Yes I read about it, that he was so good in the movie.
I saw Brothers too, I liked Jake in it.
What's your alltime favorite movie?
That's funny, yesterday was for me the first day I didn't watch it at all too :). And tonight (it's 22.20 here now) I watched it again.
What you asked about Marc not saying sorry: I think he WAS sorry. But maybe more like "sorry for all that you are going through because of me" than "sorry I did it".
And maybe he did say sorry (and is it one the many things they didn't show us in the movie).
Marc is a sympathetic but not particularly likable character; he’s fundamentally selfish. He’s torn between Bettina and Kay but can’t commit to choosing either; he cheats on his girlfriend with unconvincing lies but treats Kay equally poorly. Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble, a realisation of their true self. It’s neither. It’s both. It’s messy and complex and there are no neat answers. No happy endings.
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I love this shot-
When Kay offers the key and Marc goes to take it, then Kay closes his hand - do you think that was ad libbed, or written in the script that way? I thought it looked spontaneous, like Max just did it off the top of his head. Either way, it works.
I thought him saying he was sorry was something that we should have seen, I just wonder why they left it out. As you said, he might not be sorry that it happened, because he was falling in love with Kay, but at least sorry to have caused Bettina so much hurt, sorry that the life she had with him was destroyed at his hand. More along the lines of "I didn't mean to hurt you." The whole thing is just too sad. :(
Since Freier Fall wasn't promoted over here at all (at least not that I saw), I didn't know anything about the amount of nudity until I saw it; I was surprised (in a good way ;) )
I agree with this, even the part " Free Fall confronts the question about whether someone cheating on their hetero partner with a same-sex person is a betrayal or noble".
I don't understand the word "noble" in this context (there must be another word), but I can't look at it as just betrayal.
It’s very difficult for me to explain how I feel this (even in my own language), but I think passion is the strongest human emotion and basic instinct. After Kay triggered Marc, there was no way back.
(I think that was the reason he was so angry when Kay showed up again, he didn’t want it, he wanted to go on with his life as it was, but at the moment he saw Kay again, he instinctively knew what was going to happen and no way to stop it, he felt ( although not consciously) intuitive that these feelings were part of his true self.
Of course he cheated on Bettina and lied to her. But that’s what happens in situations like this. He couldn’t resist Kay but he wanted to loose Bettina either.
And I’m sure: if Kay had not come back, Marc would have been happy either because denying (part of) yourself makes unhappy.
That’s why I can’t think in terms of guilty (Kay nor Marc), just human. Same about the “not saying sorry” thing. I’m sure he didn’t want to hurt Bettina, but during the shower scene he began to feel his affair with Kay changed something inside of him. Saying sorry to Bettina would be like: I’m guilty, I shouldn’t have done it. But his feelings for Kay were real and pure, part of him.
I don’t know if it makes any sense, it’s just how I feel it.
Did I mention to you I like Max a lot? ;D But every time I watch the movie I’m impressed and touched by Hanno’s acting. I think I’m going to visit the old guy who got the price for best German actor, steal that thing and bring it to Hanno.
I think it's a hetero/gay movie phenomenon. Same with Brokeback. Alma & Lureen were vilified, especially by female viewers. It's especially apparent in fanfic - total hatred of the women, even though they were cheated on and lied to, their lives basically ruined becauseof their husbands sexual preferencesthe men cheated. If you're married and your spouse cheats, does it matter if the other party is the same sex? Nobody wanted the women to get in the way of Ennis & Jack's happiness. Who cares if the women and kids are left in the dust and end up w/nothing? As long as the two handsome guys get what they want. Sometimes I can understand it. Sometimes it pisses me off.
Wow. I thought you were very into Jack/Ennis and Marc/Kay.
I must say: in BBM I felt so sorry for especially Alma. Because I liked her a lot, she was so sweet and loving. But I have to admit: in BBM I wanted Jack and Ennis together. It was obvious to me that both guys were not happy and missed something in their marriage. Alma and Lureen will find happiness again and so will Bettina.
You can't just build a life on lies.
I gues....if Kay would have been another woman....it would have been different. More threatening. Like Bettina said: I can't even be jealous.
You know, my hubbie left me (and the kids) for someone else. And of course I was angry and affraid, but now I see there's life after divorce, it's not the end of the world and you can't be happy with someone loving somebody else.
Hey guys, it's been really interesting reading your opinions on the movie, I read through this thread in a couple of days. I was really happy to find it because I first saw the movie back in like November, the DAY the first torrent with English subtitles came out. I have watched it so many times since, and have never found anywhere there was really in-depth conversation going on about it until now. There is so much I could reply to in these 49 pages but these were the things that stick in my mind now after finishing the thread.
Well this has been extremely long. And that's only a fraction of my thoughts about it. I'm just glad that there are people who are as interested in the movie as I am!
Hey guys, it's been really interesting reading your opinions on the movie, I read through this thread in a couple of days. I was really happy to find it because I first saw the movie back in like November, the DAY the first torrent with English subtitles came out. I have watched it so many times since, and have never found anywhere there was really in-depth conversation going on about it until now. There is so much I could reply to in these 49 pages but these were the things that stick in my mind now after finishing the thread.
The thing about the condom is weird. They obviously did not use a condom their first time. I thought, well maybe he was just like... rubbing up against him? But Kay's face was showing pain that was obviously meant to imply penetration was happening. And it made sense later to put that scene (with his mom finding the condom) in the context of his mom discovering them in the hospital, and her asking him how long it had been going on. She would have put two and two together, at that point (as well as the night shifts).D
I am definitely into both Jack & Ennis and Marc & Kay. It's just that sometimes when I look at the collateral damage they cause, it's sad.
I don't think Kay pursued him SO aggressively for no reason--he knew that Marc had feelings for him.
...Her not being jealous is in her mind. Jealously is non discriminating V
You can't just build a life on lies.
I gues....if Kay would have been another woman....it would have been different. More threatening. Like Bettina said: I can't even be jealous.
Her not being jealous is in her mind. Jealously is non discriminating V
I just watched a part of "Die Deutscher Freund" with Max. It's not my kind of movie. And Max's hair! Awful. He looks so different with a nice short haircut.
I agree with you, he knew (in any case in that scene in the forest).
I have been thinking: Kay's first move was the cigaret-kiss scene. What was it that made Kay do that? I'm sure there must be a little thing that Marc did.
We see them in the pool together, making fun. No sign of other feelings than friendship. Next scene they are in the college room en they look at each other. And then the cigaret-kiss. Was it the look between them in the college room?
Or is it just a feeling, intuitive knowing?
Everyone wanted Kay and Marc ending up together. Not only gay guys, the female viewers too. Isn't that strange? Bettina is the one with the baby. And everyone feels compassion for her, but nobody wants Marc to go back to her.We want Marc have a chance at following his heart and maybe just maybe find happiness in life. We want the same for Britina and Marc's son, hence the compassion. She's left alone with the newborn and it seems unfair. Marc and Britina realizes they cannot have an intimate relationship anymore after the shower scene V
Depends on how you look at it. Another woman is like: what does she have that I don't. If it concerns another man, that's obvious. You don't have to worry about "being not good enough as a woman". As a woman you can't compete with another man. I think that's what bettina meant.Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Great question. Vincent said most straight guys would probably have punched Kay for that kiss. So what did he see in Marc that led him to think it was ok?
We want Marc have a chance at following his heart and maybe just maybe find happiness in life. We want the same for Britina and Marc's son, hence the compassion. She's left alone with the newborn and it seems unfair. Marc and Britina realizes they cannot have an intimate relationship anymore after the shower scene V
Hi Mariska,
Have you seen the TV movie "Blood Money"? I don't know if German TV is shown in the Netherlands.
I copied this from google translate, so hope is all correct.
After a key role as the mysterious fisherman in the mystery thriller "Thou hast promised" plays Riemelt another exceptional starring in the award-winning drama "Free Fall" (2013) he impressed as a gay cop who begins a relationship with a married colleague. Positive reviews also got inspired by real events teleplay "Blood Money" in which Riemelt embodies a hemophiliac who become infected in the 1980s by a contaminated blood products with HIV
ETA the German version
Nach einer Schlüsselrolle als geheimnisvoller Fischer in dem Mysterythriller "Du hast es versprochen" spielt Riemelt eine weitere außergewöhnliche Hauptrolle: In dem preisgekrönten Drama "Freier Fall" (2013) beeindruckt er als schwuler Polizist, der eine Beziehung mit einem verheirateten Kollegen beginnt. Positive Kritiken erhielt auch das von realen Ereignissen inspirierte Fernsehspiel "Blutgeld", in dem Riemelt einen Bluter verkörpert, der sich in den 1980er Jahren durch eine verseuchte Blutkonserve mit HIV infiziert
Positive reviews also got inspired by real events teleplay "Blood Money" in which Riemelt embodies a hemophiliac who become infected in the 1980s by a contaminated blood products with HIV[/i]
ETA the German version
Positive Kritiken erhielt auch das von realen Ereignissen inspirierte Fernsehspiel "Blutgeld", in dem Riemelt einen Bluter verkörpert, der sich in den 1980er Jahren durch eine verseuchte Blutkonserve mit HIV infiziert
Yeah, no.
The longer hair makes him look very young.
Yes. And at that point (kiss-smoke moment) Kay couldn't be sure so he took the risk of being punched or Marc getting very mad. But something must have encouraged him to take that chance.
Do you think it was the "staring at each other" in the college room? Friends don't stare at each other like that. Friends should have smiled to each other or something like that.
Sometimes a short eye contact says more than words. You can't explain it but you feel it.
And Marc: when did he realize for the first time that something strange was going on?
Hi Nancy,
We can watch German TV in the Netherlands (not all channels) but I never watch German TV.
I haven't seen that movie yet, sounds very heavy. Maybe some day I will watch it.
Another one with Max I like to see very much is "Alleinflug, Elly Beinhorn". It's a TV movie and will be soon on German TV. So I hope I can watch (would be the first time I watch German TV), , otherwise I have to wait for the DVD.
Such a pity that Heiter bis Wolkig doesn't have English subtitles. I know you would love it.
I don't get the "inspired" thing. They just say that Blood Money (based on true story) got positive reviews too.
Do you think it was the "staring at each other" in the college room? Friends don't stare at each other like that. Friends should have smiled to each other or something like that.
Sometimes a short eye contact says more than words. You can't explain it but you feel it.
And Marc: when did he realize for the first time that something strange was going on?
D
So you think Kays face was showing pain during the car scene. Interesting.
Normal male eye contact is purposely very limited. More than about 1/2 second and straight guys get all weirded out - notice it sometime.. but being we think Marc was not gay or had prior experience.. not sure how he'd be getting all these OK signals. I think the smoking lip contact was the real start of Kay's pursuit. V.
Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Bettina had to realize this at some point it was not just physical as does Marc. He had fallen in love with another person who was male. In that scene isn't Bretina trying to make this about her? III cannot even be properly jealous. If it is not physical, then here inference is incorrect....? V
I think they just said "inspired" to mean, as you said, "based on a true story"
Then the silent but ridiculously well-acted scene where Kay grabs Marcs hand to light his cigarette - Marc can hardly drag his eyes away from Kay's face, you can see him forcing himself to look away. To me, that scene is as erotic as, maybe more so than, their bed scene, as the sexual tension builds.
I love to see it, and glad Lacant put so much non-verbal communication between them, and it's all so naturally played by Hanno & Max.
What scenes did I miss with those looks between them?
Get that physically but there more to it than that as we saw in the rejection of Marc's random pick up attempt failed.
Bettina had to realize this at some point it was not just physical as does Marc. He had fallen in love with another person who was male. In that scene isn't Bretina trying to make this about her? III cannot even be properly jealous. If it is not physical, then here inference is incorrect....? V
I'n not sure if I understand you correctly:
Do you mean: because Bettina realized that Marc's feelings for Kay were deeper than just physical, jealousy would not be appropriate?
In her case, I would be even more jealous.
And: before Bettina began to attack Marc in the shower, she said to him something like: so tell me what I must do, do you like it from behind? (while standing behind him and touching him). And right after that she said: I can't even be jealous.
It shows a frustration. She can't do it like Kay (the way Marc likes it) simply because she is a woman. She can't compete.
There is definitely a momentary look of pain or discomfort, followed by pure ecstacy.
sex in the rain clip
http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na (http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x18vpt7_freier-fall-hanno-koffler-max-riemelt-2-1_na)
Marc is at the other end of this look
I can't imagine you missed something :D.
The hand grab scene: you are right, it's very erotic and I'm still wondering how two hetero actors can do this. Even for a male/female couple it would be difficult to create such a sexual tension. I think it's a combination of great acting and real life chemistry (that chemistry must be real, you can't fool viewers with that). And I know we spoke about this before, but I'm still not 100% convinced that there is really no attraction at all between Hanno/Max. I mean, in an interview they spoke about "a thin line between gay/straight". So wouldn't it be possible that a person is straight but with one toe or foot over that line just for a certain same gender person (or more persons)? Lousy explanation but I hope you understand what I mean.
Non-verbal language can be very strong, is it even possible that a certain atmosphere between two people can be acted when it's not real?
LOL! The things we have to put up with when discussing this movie!!
In that clip, I think I noticed for the first time - watch it again and check me :laugh: - that Kay licks his fingers? A la Ennis in Brokeback, when he spits in his hand? Very quickly, right before he shows the pain.
One more, in the police van after Kay gets picked up in the gay bar. I'm sure there are more.
As for the thin line, and maybe an attraction between Hanno & Max, I have no opinion on that - could be, I suppose. I'm sure you see more articles about them than I do.
When Brokeback came out, there were whole websites dedicated to discussing the sexual preferences of the two stars, especially Jake. The paps (and fans) were ruthless and kept Jake in the news about it, always questioning it when Jake was out with a guy friend, and constantly saying he was "dating" friends he had known and hung out with for years. Of course it could be true, but the speculation about Jake was sometimes cruel and unnecessary (not from an actual interview, as you posted above), and I had no opinion about him, either.
I haven't seen any news about Hanno or Max, not even if they're dating women, let alone men. I think the German press is either ahead of the curve and don't care, or has better things to do.
I guess if someone has a toe or foot over the line, they'd be bi, and that's a whole other thing to deal with. Some people don't even think it's a valid sexual preference (not sure if that's the way to put it.) Maybe we can get some input from Vincent or others, if they stop by.
By the way, I saw a clip of Heiter bis wolkig with English subs, it looks really good. And I read a review and found a 6 minute clip in German, which of course I couldn't understand, but it was fun watching Max make faces, and look adorable.
I was in another thread here, "Other interpretations of Brokeback Mountain", and started to watch latest video. The opening chords of the soundtrack played, and I was immediately in tears. I had forgotten the power of the movie, the music, the mood it invokes. I could only watch for a minute, mostly because I can't stand to see anything other than the original.
I love Free Fall; the acting is extraordinary, the chemistry between the men is powerful, and the story is really great. I still want to watch it and talk about it and find things that I missed the first 50 times.
But Brokeback changed something in me, and no other movie has ever done that.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GuzUwuhH7Ns)
I'n not sure if I understand you correctly:No quite opposite. When we are shown Marc and the stranger from the club not working out in the stall, we know then that Marc's connection to Kay exceeds physical pleasure. If Marc just wanted gay sex, he surely could get that easily with those eyes and good looks of his - nor would not have rushed out on his pickup - what 3 mins and it''s done... ? That's not what Marc wanted or needed.
Do you mean: because Bettina realized that Marc's feelings for Kay were deeper than just physical, jealousy would not be appropriate?
In her case, I would be even more jealous.
And: before Bettina began to attack Marc in the shower, she said to him something like: so tell me what I must do, do you like it from behind? (while standing behind him and touching him). And right after that she said: I can't even be jealous.
It shows a frustration. She can't do it like Kay (the way Marc likes it) simply because she is a woman. She can't compete.
I can't imagine you missed something :D.
The hand grab scene: you are right, it's very erotic and I'm still wondering how two hetero actors can do this.
...
Non-verbal language can be very strong, is it even possible that a certain atmosphere between two people can be acted when it's not real?
I don't think we can assume that Bettina had the time or the knowledge to realize that Marc was in love with Kay. It's only a day or so after she finds out, right? All she knows of gay lifestyle is that it's sex between men. She would have to be pretty sophisticated in her thinking, and probably would have had to have known gay men (or watched gay films :) ), to take it as far as seeing it as a love affair, and not just sex. In that way, she is a little like Alma: nothing in her background prepared her for having the father of her child admit that he was having sex with another man.Perfect. She had not gotten there yet... but eventually does in the frank conversation she and Marc have later.
I agree with Mariska; she gets in the shower and says "tell me how you like it", and I take that to mean that she sees the affair between Marc & Kay as strictly sex, and deeper feelings of love and tenderness between them don't enter her mind. I can't see them ever talking about it, ever. And it's even so new to Marc that he is still coming to terms with how deep his feelings are.
As for Bettina, in that scene, making it about her: in her mind it IS about her. Is it more or less terrible if he had cheated on her with a woman? Either way, he cheated, her life has been changed dramatically, and she has to come to terms with that.
I guess if someone has a toe or foot over the line, they'd be bi, and that's a whole other thing to deal with. Some people don't even think it's a valid sexual preference (not sure if that's the way to put it.) Maybe we can get some input/opinions from Vincent or others, if they stop by.
...No. Raw attraction, sexual desire, sexual preferences, sexual identification, love, ... are all separate.
In more interviews they are clear about it: it isn't important what Marc is. They don't think in terms of straight, bi or gay. He just fell in love with a person. My impression after reading a lot of interviews: both guys are straight but both don't exclude that is is possible for them to feel attracted to a person of the same gender without classifying it as gay or bi. Attraction is a broad concept with many degrees (lausy translation I guess).
Perfect. She had not gotten there yet... but eventually does in the frank conversation she and Marc have later.
That's something that most hetero people, usually due to religious dogma, just cannot conceive, that sexuality is/can be fluid. Most believe it's either / or, and for many that is true, they never even consider the alternative.. but there's always that range, depending on if you allow it to be.. V.
Attraction is a broad concept with many degrees (lausy translation I guess).
Any idea why BBM changed something for you?
Do you mean the conversation they supposedly had, that we don't see?
...
About either / or: I find your statement interesting. I see Ennis as a straight man who fell in love with Jack; and in fact, Heath (and maybe Jake) said that in interviews. But that theory was shouted down in discussion forums as preposterous; perhaps it had to do with a gay agenda. Proponents of that stance were taking Brokeback and running with it: finally a mainstream movie showing a gay relationship. Ennis was gay. Full stop. As a straight woman, it might be that I'm romanticizing their relationship. I see Ennis & Marc as straight guys who fell in love with one man. As for their future, Ennis (IMO) never had another relationship with a man. Marc's future is still open to it, but (again, the straight female romantic) I want him to be with Kay.
I'm sure both gays are straight.
I generally find gifs annoying to see in a forum like this, so there are 4 gorgeous ones at this link, that make up the kiss in the rain.
http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is (http://onlymywishfulthinking.tumblr.com/post/86747525000/marc-kay-freier-fall-free-fall-2013-this-is)
But we do. Right after Marc flees the club, he drives home emotionally a wreck to tears, uttering "Sh1t, sh1T...", next we cut to Marc approaching Bettina from behind while she's sitting on the deck, no doubt playing this in her mind. Their conversation says it all. Marc, "I cannot go on like this." Bettina, "Me neither." long pause, "Me neither" It is very subtle but if you watch the camera focus it shifts: First on Marc with the "cannot go on.." then to Bettina with "Me neither..." and we get a really good look her realization and despair knowing she's lost Marc. Then the camera shifts back and refocuses on Marc before cutting to him entering the academy training room again. Hmm, where did we see this before? The "I wish I knew how scene in BBM?"
That's the conversation, both spoken, unspoken and the lack of any intimate eye contact - says what I'm leaning on.
Re: I agree with you and I remember those heated debates too well. Once one accepts sexuality is or can be fluid, it is quite possible for a "straight" guy to fall in love with another man. It's when we box ourselves into this either/or that the "must be's" surface. In both cases, with Marc, we are clearly shown that another guy is no substitute for Kay and with Ennis we learn from what he said and did there were no other's besides Jack. V.
But also remember that it was Bettina that invited Kay to the "newborn party" and at that point she knew for sure Kay was gay... so her acceptance of gay men was obviously OK until it was Marc...
Very well said. We do see their lack of communication, the lack of connection, and all that that implies. And their few words; yes, it's over.
How do you see their future relationship? They have to see each other because of the baby, but do you think they can ever be friendly at all? It would be up to Bettina, he should have no animosity towards her.
OMG, I'm so glad to hear you say this! Yes, Ennis has no interest in being close to, or having sex with, or sharing anything with another man.
For me, it's not as cut and dried with Marc. Will he be open to meeting and forming a relationship w/another guy? Or was Kay "it" for him?
No quite opposite. When we are shown Marc and the stranger from the club not working out in the stall, we know then that Marc's connection to Kay exceeds physical pleasure. If Marc just wanted gay sex, he surely could get that easily with those eyes and good looks of his - nor would not have rushed out on his pickup - what 3 mins and it''s done... ? That's not what Marc wanted or needed.
I agree - this is the overwhelming reason Bettina should be jealous but she does not know that yet. If Marc needed just physical, then she and Marc maybe still had the emotional connection they needed for their partnership to possibly survive but Marc, and we are shown this, realizes that his feelings for Kay exceed those of Bettina, emotionally.
In the shower, Bettina's comments provide insight. Marc's attraction to Kay is NOT just a physical pleasure of a penis vs. vagina... and it is that which drives her "like it from behind..and I cannot even be properly jealous".. I do not think Bettina realizes it is emotional now with Marc and Kay - not just physical.. Did that make sense, I'm not sure I said it well.. V.
Exactly. Stephen Lacant said in an interview that while researching for the screenplay/movie he found that to be true of many people. They think they are accepting, and say they have nothing against a gay lifestyle, until it affects them directly, like a family member or close friend. Then it's a different story.
It's even what Marc's father says to Kay: we don't have anything against homosexuals but stay away from our son.
She invited him to the party because she was sure she had nothing to fear from him, he was not a threat.
I think that says it perfectly.
^^^ I don't understand.
She invited Kay to the party because she knew he was gay and she was ok with it. But when she found out he and Marc had been together, she (probably) hated him. Right? ???
That face. Pure sex. And my new avatar.
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I thought I had found all the reviews and interviews, but here's another one. It's from last year when the film was released in Germany.
http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung (http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/?tag=/befreiung)
(http://nightoutatberlin.jaxblog.de/image.axd?picture=2013%2f2%2fFreierFallPerspektiveDeutschesKinoBerlinale201311.jpg)
But wouldn't you hate him? She didn't hate him because he was gay but because of him she lost Marc.
I found this one via twitter. Wow, great.
I really don't know how to link photo's from tumblr or youtube links. Found a nice photo but I fail in putting it here >:(.
we can never have enough pics of these guys :)
I found the photo I meant but I think the file type is not right to put it here. If you google "max riemelt hanno koffler auslandseinsatz" pictures you will find it. It's the premerie of auslandseinsatz. I think you've seen them already. There's one max en hanno standing next to each other, Hanno a little bit leaning to max's side.
And another cute photo with their arms around each other.
this one?
not to be crude, but is Hanno walking around with a grenade in his pocket? 8)
YES! that's the one. And there's another one with the leaning. How did you do that? I have to practice I guess.
As adress of this photo I see: http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/zp-core/images/blank.png
Is that right?
This is the URL address for the pic with Hanno's arm around Max.
http://www.am-ende-des-tages.de/photos/cache/120910-premiere-wir-wollten-aufs-mehr-auslandseinsatz/DSC_3557.jpg_700.jpg
Go back to the pic on google, copy that URL and paste between the left and right bracket, like you did with the collage.
the link you posted takes me to a blank page :(
maybe this is the other one? I found it on the AEDT website, but when I copied the URL, it didn't work, so I got it off google. The extension was .png, idk what that is.
I think it's so funny that they attend premiers of their movies in T-shirts! When they come to Hollywood, they'll have to dress it up a bit. :)
Yummie!
(http://img.spokeo.com/public/900-600/max_riemelt_2010_09_21.jpg)
Yes, that's the one. Look at their arms <3.
OK, the last one. But it's gorgeous.
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what is he smiling at? I guess being naked in bed w/Max would do it :)
You're so funny! Their arms!
The photographer caught them at just the right time.
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another good print interview.
I love a guy who can use "existential" correctly in a sentence (Hanno) :)
http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html (http://www.braunschweiger-zeitung.de/debatte/leser_fragen/schwule-polizisten-und-bruechige-selbstbilder-id1019021.html)
Exactly! I would smile too. I would continue smiling for the rest of my life. ;D
This was the moment I had the feeling it was no acting. Not a smile between Marc/Kay but between Hanno/Max. But it's just a feeling.
This scene must have been difficult for them. It's the most intimate scene of this movie. In an interview (the one on youtube) they said: love scenes are never easy, not even between man/woman.
So for 2 hetero guys, not used to close physical contact with another guy, it must be even more difficult.
In the audio comments they said about this scene: only the camara man was present to create as much privacy as possible for them. They said they experimented a lot during this scene and only few shots were in the movie.
Well, I thought: we talked a lot about their faces. Let's discuss their arms. Just kidding.
I mean: is seams like Hanno leans a bit over to Max and their arms are in touch. I know I see what I want to see, but they are just so cute together.
Some remarkable statements from reviews (with my comments).
You will not watch this movie more than once.
Well, definately some people do watch it more than once.
But for the straight audience he cemented the oldest false prejudices: The evil gay, who deceives the straight father and destroyed a whole family.
What a negative statement. As far as I know, everybody loves the evil Kay.
Who is looking for sexual gay acts will be disappointed. Except for a few fake sex scenes and a few naked men in the shower he will get nothing to see.
I would suggest to the writer to watch a porn movie. Not a serious movie with serious actors.
I hated this ugly, depressing movie. Even Max Riemelt (Kay), one of the most beautiful men in the world, looks bad here - and what he would ever see in Hanno Koffler (Marc), one of the ugliest, is beyond imagining. There is no "chemistry" between them, by the way, only dark, slogging depression, dishonesty and cowardice - in Marc, who, unfortunately, is the star of this movie, and the only character who is given even the shallowest bit of depth.
This person must be very depressive. Max looking bad and Hanno ugly? No chemistry? Remarkable.
In conclusion, I would recommend this film to anyone, "straight" or gay, black or white, tall or short, skinny or full figuered. It just doesn't matter. This is a simple, yet intense and mesmerizing , love story for EVERYONE!
Now, that sounds better!
In conclusion, I would recommend this film to anyone, "straight" or gay, black or white, tall or short, skinny or full figuered. It just doesn't matter. This is a simple, yet intense and mesmerizing , love story for EVERYONE!
Now, that sounds better!
I'm not going to miss this one...you've persuaded me!
And it is sweet that he's leaning in to touch him.
Thankfully, almost all the comments from viewers that I saw were positive. "Evil" Kay, "no chemistry" (?!?!?), "ugly" - they did not see the same movie I saw.
The radio interview from last year.
Freier Fall - Max Riemelt, Hanno Koffler und Stephan Lacant im Interview
And this from Lacant about casting - I'm glad they kept looking, I can't imagine this movie without Max.
No english subs, but who cares what they are talking about. That smile at 2.25 is so so so cute.
Nancy: I guess you want to know what they are talking about, but almost everyting you know from interviews.
Right, I think I have everything memorized from interviews now! Nothing new to translate.
It looks very good, and really shows off Max's range as an actor, he can play drama and comedy.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mGr8ANgKS00)
Heiter bis wolkig interview max/Jessica. It's in German but it's always nice to look at Jessica 8)
Someone else about "I can't even be jealous".
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2617828/board/thread/230333475
Yeah, right - I watched Jessica the whole time ::)
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^^^^ for you, I know you like that scene, :)
12/6/13
I loved this scene. The only scene they were having fun together.
I don't think somebody mentioned the scene where Bettina paints the wall and Marc is like "I want you right here, right now" but from behind, because that way I can think of Kay and the way he tries to get into her pants, really reminds me of the forrest scene. Also, I keep wondering if he's like that because the drug effect hasn't worn off.
It was hard for me the first time I watched it, because I had to pay attention to them and to the subtitles(English) and then process them in my head(Romanian).
I don't think somebody mentioned the scene where Bettina paints the wall and Marc is like "I want you right here, right now" but from behind, because that way I can think of Kay and the way he tries to get into her pants, really reminds me of the forrest scene. Also, I keep wondering if he's like that because the drug effect hasn't worn off.
Oh, in the scene with the key, Kay gives Marc a look...damn, love. At least it looks like that to me. When he buttons his shirt, he scans him with such loving eyes.
Yes, this is a happy scene. Marc is actually joking around with Kay, kicking him in the ass as I recall.. playfully of course. V
Oh yeah, that's love, all right. That scene is when I think it went from sex/conquest to love for Kay. That look! He has fallen.
Movie 2013: auf das leben.
Sounds like a good movie, hope it will be in cinema (and DVD) soon.
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It was hard for me the first time I watched it, because I had to pay attention to them and to the subtitles(English) and then process them in my head(Romanian).
Adorable - how do you say that in German?
there's a trailer at this site with English subs, it looks very good
https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336 (https://www.globalscreen.de/cinema.upcoming/content/show/369336)
Hi Mariska,
have you seen this TV show with Max?
Again, clearly too much time on my hands. I googled Max's name and got a TV listing for today, Wir sind die Nacht, the vampire movie he did.
That's funny! And that one second the camera caught him, @ 0:39, his face pure sex.
This is funny: I wanted to write to you: look at his eyes at 0.39.
I just watched Summerstorm with Hanno Koffler in a supporting role.. It's an older movie (2004) but really nice.
Hanno plays the homosexual Malte.
(http://malecelebbio.com/gallery/2013/07/Hanno-Koffler-17.jpg)
oh, I'd love to see it. I'm glad to hear that you liked it.
this is the gif, hope it's not too annoying
I saw him smile and be adorable, and that is Max :) .
Is there something I missed?
I never noticed that! Now I'll have to go back and watch everything again - well, if I must, I must!
No, I never did. Maybe I was looking elsewhere 8)
Like this?
Also, I saw Summer storm 2 days ago, same reason as you. Hanno in overalls, damn!
heiter bis wolkig?
I watched it on youtube, very sweet movie. Hanno was very good.
You horny dumpling :laugh:
I did, it seems small to me, so maybe that's why I didn't notice.
But I think it's charming and cute.Same! It kinda bothered me at first, then I really liked it and now it's gone. :<
However back to the film, what did you guys think about the sex scenes? (The woods, the car, Kay's apartment and times after). Did you see them as unrealistic, too short, or perhaps too weak? I know the chemistry between not only the characters but actors is great, but sometimes I feel like the scenes could have been capable of being a bit better rather than being rushed forward onto. What are some ideas you'd have instead?
Also, about a sequel...there won't be one? I talked to the French facebook page of the movie, they said that the director would rather have the audience interpret how things would go out rather than making another movie. As well, Free Fall will be released on DVD in September 2014. I
When I mean being rushed forward onto, there was a part in Kay's apartment that they were kissing and then Kay flipped to his side and Marc already began thrusting onto him? (Sorry to sound perverted but this bothered me a bit). I mean I think it could have been better if I dont know...uh...Marc showed some effort putting it in first and then doing it?! It went a bit too fast but overall it was realistic because more other LGBT films actors haven't really done it this good.
I had this feeling during the car scene. I thought: huh? They don't speak a word, kiss one time and then....while Marc was supposed to unexperienced?
But again, I don't care because I liked the scene. The only thing that bothered me was they didn't use a lube.
Ok, got a question. How long were Marc & Kay together? Bettina was pretty far along in the pregnancy, and Kay left when the baby was maybe a month old, does that sound about right? So maybe 4 months from start to finish?
I think the celebration was for the baby's birth, not his first birthday. He's still an infant in that scene.
Does anyone think Kay & Britt were having sex?
But they were dating, wouldn't she think it was weird if they didn't? Maybe they just went bowling ;D
And she said it was "great" when Gregor asked how it was with him.
Does anyone think Kay & Britt were having sex?
And she said it was "great" when Gregor asked how it was with him.
I think she said that to let him shut up.
But it's an interesting question. How did Kay handle this with Britt?
I think she said that to let him shut up.
But it's an interesting question. How did Kay handle this with Britt?
After Marc shows the baby pic on his phone, the subs have Britt saying "I'm jealous." Then Gregor says "Do I hear wedding bells?" Britt: "Whose wedding bells, Limpinski?" Gregor, looks at Kay then points to him: "You and him, of course." Then Kay says "Jealous?"
So the subs are off again :-\
But we know afterwards she doesn't care if he's gay since at the party, Gregor complains about how Kay shows up and Britt says that "We're not all homophobic as you guys', and Gregor asks 'How's it like to be with a fag?" and she responds 'Great, jealous?".
From 1-10, how well do you think the chemistry between Marc & Kay is? And for Hanno & Max ? :P
You are right, at that time she didn't care (probably she was over it).
But right after Kay's coming out she was sad, did you see her face when they were all together in the police van?
(I wish someone told me if she was crying or not).
We talked about this a little bit a while back, but what's Marc thinking when he looks over at Kay and sees him leaving?
The next scene is the baby bath, then the road fight :'( I hate that. But then Marc is cleaning up the paint and can't breathe, can't get Kay out of his mind, and tells Bettina he's suffocating.
I saw a comment about the movie, she said Marc got what he deserved in the end, because he treated Kay & Bettina poorly and should be alone. She did not watch the movie. If that's all she got out of it, she really wasted her money.
This is the only on-set picture I've seen. More in German at the link below.
Regisseur Stephan Lacant (rechts) spricht mit seinen beiden Hauptdarstellern Katharina Schüttler und Hanno Koffler die nächste Szene durch.
Google translate:
Director Stephan Lacant (right) speaks with his two lead actors Catherine shaker and Hanno Koffler by the next sce
Yeah, that would be great! I still say they could sell the takes from the bed scene at Kay's that they didn't use, and make enough to retire on!
:D
Agree. To be honest, I would spent money. And....in the comments they sounded a little disappointed about the fact that there was just small part of their bed-experiencing in the movie. Now there is coming a thought in my mind. I let you know in pm ;D
A little nerdy, there, Max!
They're not the only ones ;D
Maybe not nerdy, but sometimes I think he could use a stylist to help him dress better. He's so gorgeous and has such a great body, and could look so great all the time.
That one is new to me, which movie?
He reminds me of Heath in that way. He would always dress however he wanted, he didn't care what anyone thought.
But he's even gorgeous here, to me :'(
Great scene, and he's not at all nerdy :)
So is this your favorite Max pic? ;)
They're not the only ones ;D
Wait, there were more sex scenes or what? :laugh:
They said they experienced a lot during that bedscene (and other scenes) and just a small part of it is in the movie.
(http://denisignatov.de/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Hanno_Berlin_2013-3517.jpg)
Wow, 2 new obsessed people! Good to see people are still finding this movie.
I have some questions (or basically in need of opinions) about the events and it's time length in the film, that I really need to have covered.
To begin with,
1) How long do you think it was from Marc and Kay becoming friends at the beginning of the film to the point where Kay confronted Marc sexually in the forest?
About the movie itself:
3) Do you think the movie should've been longer than 1 and 40 minutes, to cover up some things it could have potentially skipped, or give us new information about things/characters (Like Kay?).
Did you all notice when Marc met Kay in the forest during the rain storm, right after he first kisses him - did you see where he (Marc) nodded his head like he was saying "Yes...it's true..." or "Yes, I want this...", or something to that effect? What do you all think of that? That was awesome.
I'm not sure how long from the time they were in the pool to the forest, but it couldn't have been too long - maybe a week or two?
2) How long do you think Kay and Marc's affair lasted?
Mariska and I talked about this, we figured about 4 months. Bettina was probably 7, maybe even 8 months pregnant when they met at the bowling alley, and Kay left soon after the baby shower/party, and the baby was about a month old.
Mariska has the DVD with commentary by the actors and director, the US DVDs don't have that, and she gave a lot of info directly from Hanno, Max and Stephen. They said Kay was supposed to be a mystery, with not much known about him, it was intentional to have no background about him. He came into Marc's life, turned it upside down and Marc couldn't handle it, then Kay was gone.
Hi guys, do you know if there is somewhere I can watch this movie online?iTunes and Amazon. V.
Marcs smile when he was on the phone: yes I noticed. Marc picked up the phone en then it took a little while before he smiled and said: I can't talk right now. Who knows what Kay said to him that made him smile. We will never know.
In the audio version max and hanno had a discussion why Marc didn't say immediately that he couldn't talk right now. That was funny.
Mariska, if you're still around, what did they say in the commentary about this part? I don't think we've ever talked about that.
Marc was so blessed and lucky to have Kay. I noticed how Kay would almost always look upon him with adoring eyes. Examples abound in the film, but one such incident is when Marc and Kay are running, where Marc skips ahead of Kay and they're so happy and having fun. Right before that, you can just see the adoration in Kay's eyes when he is looking over at Marc. He seemed to be very protective of Marc, too. Not only that, but I felt like Kay not only loved him sexually but also as a best friend/brother.
Kay was so dedicated to him. That kind of dedication is rare in this world today. Marc really didn't realize the special, priceless gem he had in his arms. Soo sad.
Did anyone notice when Marc moves back into the barracks after he leaves Bettina, that he stares achingly and longingly at the empty bed that was once Kay's? That was intense. You could feel his pain and deep sense of loss.
Did anyone notice when Marc moves back into the barracks after he leaves Bettina, that he stares achingly and longingly at the empty bed that was once Kay's? That was intense. You could feel his pain and deep sense of loss.
Yes, he is gorgeous, isn't he?
Yes, I read it.In the last chapter he made marc find him in the gay club I think he did like the move when marc hit kay on the roadi stay away what kay did is the same they found him in the gay club drank and taking drugs he did that before so i think its in kai character to do so but I like that he found kai drawing and that he new he loved him
And I like his writing style, but I didn't like what he did to the character Kai in the last chapter.
What did you think of it?
In the last chapter he made marc find him in the gay club I think he did like the move when marc hit kay on the roadi stay away what kay did is the same they found him in the gay club drank and taking drugs he did that before so i think its in kai character to do so but I like that he found kai drawing and that he new he loved him
some thing I didn't understand in the move the when marc was wating in kai apartment what did he want whay did marc want to fight him and may be hit him what did kai do wrong he staid away from marc and what did marc mean by blackmail and after he told marc he loved him he said I dont sleep with any one else or i will not sleep with you any more
I recommend this to anyone to read.
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I thought the movie was so great. To be honest, I watched it because I like Max Riemelt so much and I really did not expect this film would have such an impact on me. I watched it several times now and I'm still thinking about it.
Some of my thoughts (and excuse my bad English please)
I regret that many people seem to think that this movie is only interesting for gay people. What happens to Marc happens all the time to straight people. I mean, being settled, children etc. and then suddenly falling in love with someone else. Of course the fact that Kay is a man makes it even more confusing, but it’s the same struggle about making choices.
It’s a beautiful but realistic story and interesting to watch for everybody.
I found the relationship between Marc and Kay most of the time so beautiful and real and touching. So much chemistry between them. But I wonder if Marc really loved Kay. Why did he hit him? And why did he leave Kay behind when he was beaten up, without words, without a hugh or kiss. Just gave his key back and left. That was really so heartbreaking.
I know a lot of people did not like the end. I didn’t like it either. It is a realistic movie so there has to be a realistic end. Marc has to work things out first. But the separation with Kay was too fast, too hard and too sudden. A little bit of hope for the future would have been nice.
If there will be a freier fall 2 (I hope so I hope so), I would like to know what Marc is going to do. Can he accept the way it ended with Kay? Will he try to find him? To find out what his feelings are, or maybe just to close things up decently? Was Kay just an eye opener for Marc to show him that he was not really happy in his life or is he the love of his life?
Great to read your thoughts about the movie, I loved it, as you can tell from all my posts :) . And Max Riemelt is not only stunning to look at, but an exceptional actor. I’ve looked up some info about him online, he’s been acting for more than 15 years, a long time. He got excellent reviews for Napola and I would like to see it, but I’m afraid I couldn’t take the physical or emotional violence.
Marc & Kay’s relationship is beautiful, and the actors were totally committed to their roles and held nothing back. The chemistry between them is unbelievable, as you said. I have so many favorite scenes; early in the film, when Marc is smoking in the parking lot and Kay comes up to him, taking a cigarette, grabbing his hand for a light - so confident. I love the looks between them. And the kiss in the hospital! Schön :)
But you bring up some good questions about Marc. When he hit him, I think he was just so confused about the whole thing; he’s lashing out because he doesn’t know what else to do, he can’t admit his own feelings to himself. He never tells Kay he loves him, in fact I would wish for a little more dialogue between them. I believe he loves Kay, but there is too much going on for him to be able to put his feelings into words, I think. His whole relationship with Bettina, a new baby, his parents and co-workers finding out – he is overwhelmed.
And yes, it was heartbreaking when he left Kay without a touch or a word. You could see the pain in his face as he waits for the elevator, but I want to scream at him to go back. Maybe I’ve watched this a few too many times!
One of the great things about the script and the acting by Hanno Koffler is that even though he acts like a jerk sometimes, you still care about him, and can understand why he’s acting like a jerk.
I didn’t mind the ending, I thought there was hope for the future, and Marc certainly learned a lot about himself, and seemed to be able to face what was once utterly unthinkable to him. And it certainly leaves it open to a sequel, which would be fantastic. I want to know the answers to all the questions you stated.
Did you also like Brokeback Mountain? I’m also wondering how you found this forum, was it Brokeback or Free Fall?
I’m really happy that you posted, your English is excellent, I hope you continue to post here, and on the other threads.
I also get the impression that when Marc stormed back to Kai's apartment (the scene where he breaks in on his now-abandoned apartment), he was going there in a determined spirit to make things right with Kai. How great that would've been to see.
I loved where Kai confessed his love for Marc to Marc's parents. Although the scene itself was very tense and uncomfortable, it was so honorable and courageous how he did this.
Britt was just a cover-up for Kai. He only had eyes for Marc. I think Kai was deeply in love with Marc but his lust for Marc did not make him gay, if I am understanding your comment (no punctuation, misspells and one run-on sentence are hard to read - just saying!). He was definitely gay before Marc. I agree with you that he was completely devoted and loyal to Marc.
Remember when he tried to confront Marc in that car scene on the side of the road? Yo, he was so upset! Like when he finally rolled down the window and started speaking, he sounded like he was about to start crying (saying no text, nothing, etc to Marc). LOL (kind-of). I imagine he had been home all pining away for Marc with tears in his eyes - just waiting by his phone for Marc to call or text. HA HA! Acting like a high-school girl. LOL!
Your English is better than my Arabic. ;):laugh:
ok, this thread has been quiet for too long. This might be a repeat, but it's still great.
The creator of the video did such a perfect job timing the music with the scenes from the movie and with the singer. Amazing!!! It also makes me teary-eyed every time.
One scene I watch repeatedly is the hospital scene. I can never get over their beautiful kiss. When Kai tries to give Marc a quick and sweet kiss bye, Marc acts as if he is annoyed by it. Then, Marc strongly grabs and then gently pulls Kai's arm back to him for a better kiss. You totally do not see that coming and it has such a powerful impact on your heart. It is one of most romantic, beautiful, loving and sensual kisses ever.
No kidding!!! She just killed it!! I was like (speaking as Marc), "Mom, you're early!!" :laugh:
I agree. I think it is the favorite scene of many FF fans.it is my favorite scene in the movie , and the forest kiss.
Too bad that "the woman in red" showed up to spoil it :'(
As far as it goes for Marc in the hospital, I think if not as a conscience effort, then certainly subconsciously. He knew his mom was just around the corner! But Kai just feels soo good!! It's like, "(expletive deleted) Kay is worth the risk."
and when kai is being haret by the other guy in his face, marc through the keys at him and go.
It occurred to me that Kai meant more behind his rhetorical aside to Marc asking if he'd ever heard of "infiltrating the system." Eureka! Not just a throw-away response by Kai, but a serious "mission" statement. He is infiltrating the institutional system as a gay man. At this point in the movie, you are thinking like Marc: he is just joking about it as him being a sort of rebel, flaunting some conventions and rules (light drug use, unauthorized use of the pool after hours, etc.).
Aside from making any statement about himself, his goal is a response from Marc.
Always something to "unpack" in this film. It's like a gift that keeps on giving.
Ok so, I'm a little bit of a freak here :o but did anyone else think it was super sexy how Marc grabbed Bettina from behind in the room-painting scene and was forcible (in a good way) with her while attempting to give it to her from behind? Here is why I thought it was hot:
Well, hello freak. You are at the right place here :). Spoken about freaks: Butler and I discussed about 80 pages with now and then somebody else responding.I agree with you ,I think it wasn't sexy at all, I was afraid for har when he did that I was afraid she will get heart she is pregnant and he took drugs, but marc deserve to be boshed away. :(
I have to think about your question. To me it was not sexy.
They said something about that scene in the German audio comments, I'll have to listen again. Will let you know.
And Marc is attractive, absolutely. (And Hanno is an amazing actor). But for me the hottest is Kai/Max ::)
I agree with you ,I think it wasn't sexy at all, I was afraid for har when he did that I was afraid she will get heart she is pregnant and he took drugs, but marc deserve to be boshed away. :(
I agree the raid was just for drugs. Kay wasn't caught doing anything illegal.
Why he did it, we don't know and is open for interpretation.
I agree. Kai knew and wanted to get "picked up"..Why? (In order...of my feelings..)
> To provoke Mark into some action, any action of complacency
> To provoke the squad and let them know he was gay
> To force Mark to come to terms, one way or the other with his own feelings.
If they're not going to give us a sequel, here is an idea to mostly satisfy us: Release a dvd with all of the deleted and cut scenes in their entireties. As Butler (I think) previously mentioned, the filmmakers could then retire on the spot with the amount of money made from that alone.
and for free fall 2 I don't know about German movies ,do they like to do part 2 to the success filmes.
Lookin' good, though (insert drooling emoticon here).
Anybody know of a simple way to post FF pix to this forum? ??? Kind Omhandy pm'd me a step-by-step process at my request but I still couldn't work it out. Can anyone break it down for me like I am a 5 yr old? I'm not as smart as I pretend to be.
Lookin'good and....gay? Again?is he gay again? and what is this movie abut ? I didn't understand ? ::)
Would be the third time in a movie (Summerstorm was the first).
Check this Max and Hanno montage out.
They love each other so much!!
is he gay again? and what is this movie abut ? I didn't understand ? ::)
Think he's trying to tell us something here?
Alicat: thanks for the pics :).yes there is some thing nice when they are togather , I wish I could express my feling in arabic , :laugh:
The compilation video is great, the parts of Auslandseinsatz in it are beautiful too.
I hope we will see them together in a movie again.
The filmmaker leaves that to our imagination. :( LOL!the way it was going marc can't get enough of kai sooooo ;D
how can any one say no to that smile♥♥♥♥
Maannn, you guys are way too hung up on Kay/Max. I'm telling you, Marc/Hanno is where it's at!!!
Marc seems to want to completely consume Kay
Hanno for the win, baby!!!
Hanno's so hot it hurts! Not exaggerating. :'(
I'm just jealous of Max. Grrr, not fair! He got be with Hanno. Hanno is scary hot!!
Thanks friend!! And THAT was one of my favorites. Just smoldering!! You can almost read his mind in that one.
Max is super, super sweet, indeed. He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face. Perfect characterization Omhamdy, Max really does look like he is made of honey!! Hanno looks like pure sex to me. These guys are sometimes too much for me to take.
Thanks for the pics and commentary. Yes, Kay is looking to Marc like he wants Marc to feel the same way about what they did together, wanting Marc to be in the same place emotionally he is and feel as high he feels. It also looks like he's hating having to let him leave and already anticipating their next time together. I love how Marc can only respond with the glow in his eyes. It says more than any confirming words he could ever say.
I love how Kay watches Marc leave through both of his car mirrors. He can't take his eyes off him.
Max is super, super sweet, indeed. He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face. Perfect characterization Omhamdy, Max really does look like he is made of honey!! Hanno looks like pure sex to me. These guys are sometimes too much for me to take.
Thanks for the pics and commentary. Yes, Kay is looking to Marc like he wants Marc to feel the same way about what they did together, wanting Marc to be in the same place emotionally as he is and feel as high he feels. It also looks like he's hating having to let him leave and already anticipating their next time together. I love how Marc can only respond with the glow in his eyes. It says more than any confirming words he could ever say.
I love how Kay watches Marc leave through both of his car mirrors. He can't take his eyes off him.
I admit that some times , marc can be so sexy
in the bed scene, every time i see it, all i can see and focus on is marc, the scene was all about marc
Senior Ranch Hand status now, Baby!! Woo hoo! Don't look now, Butler and Mariska, I'm on yer heels!!!
Max is super, super sweet, indeed. He has the most angelic, innocent-looking face.
sorry if it's been posted before... well done ->&index=26
V.
but max is different I think he was made of honey you could get dibetes gust looking at him
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Somewhere else I said that once, that Max looks sweet and innocent. I almost got SHOT! :laugh:
Well, he looks half sweet and half naughty (as Kay).
hahahaha and that what I said abut max I could got killed
:-* :-*
I wish I could express my feling in arabic , :laugh:
This one is really amazing BUT YOU HAVE TO HAVE YOUR SPEAKERS ON. The music makes it!!
Spot on! I said in a previous post - yin and yang. I love that about Marc I guess because I am similar to that. I think that is one of many things Kay loves about Marc and attracts Kay to him. Marc seems like Kay has blown his mind and rocked his world!!
Oh yes, thanks for posting - I've been following her continuation story, too. It's amazing. Lacant needs to give her a call for FF2 (which won't happen, probably) :'(
I think it is the best one alongside the Tanner Patrick one (which apparently is no longer available? dang it!)
Omhamdy, I am so glad you posted that picture because I noticed that before, too. Kai is staring right at Marc's lips. Marc is completely oblivious to what's on Kai's mind. Marc wants to fight him and Kai wants to kiss him. Kai already had feelings for Marc.yes he is, they are fighting and kai look is very obvious
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/02/5d/a2/025da24e01a06bafda00ab805cee5693.jpg)nice pic he looks so handsome :)
(https://s-media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/originals/29/31/22/2931227ac3e1e2155fb0ebf9fbb25e1c.jpg)thanks I was looking for that one ::)
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But I always fast forward afterwards because that creepy, shocked look on her face in the elevator is just too much. It freaks me out. She looks possessed - lol. .
I don't know, Hanno looks like he's kinda douchey, here. WAAYYY to confident-appearing to me. He seems to me like he might be a bit on the conceited side. Not trying to be judgmental, but that's the impression I've gotten from this and other instances. I like Max's personality better. Max comes across as unpretentious and relatable. Hanno just seems like he likes himself too much. For good reason, though. :laugh:
alicat you made me laugh loud :laugh:
Mariska, funny enough I actually liked hearing him run after his mom. It was just so real. But I always fast forward afterwards because that creepy, shocked look on her face in the elevator is just too much. It freaks me out. She looks possessed - lol. What I really like, too, is that look on Kai's face. I can only guess what he is thinking. He's probably like, "dang, hope this doesn't mess up what we've got going." :laugh:
What do think Kai is thinking here?
The thought bubble I would place above his head is, "No worries! He'll be back for more."
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Or he thought: damn! Why is he running, it's my turn now.
(http://media-cache-ec0.pinimg.com/736x/30/a3/c0/30a3c0a3fc52ed08e6069bba8cdbbabd.jpg)very sweet smile guys :D
Kay waits for Marc at their favorite tree in the forest.
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kai ♥♥♥♥marc :)
That's where Marc will propose to Kay.
Each on the other's mindloved your comment very true ::)
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Pushin' more Marc and Kay dope...
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A very young Max in one of his first movies.Omg omg he is soooooo sweet young max
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Very nice. I like the way Max kisses her better than the way he kisses Marc. Much sweeter and more sensitive. I guess it's kind of like the hospital kiss, but better. That ruled!no thing like the hospital kiss ;)
I know. It was BETTER!
Omg omg he is soooooo sweet young max
little darling
Bringin mad flirting skills to this match
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Very nice. I like the way Max kisses her better than the way he kisses Marc. Much sweeter and more sensitive. I guess it's kind of like the hospital kiss, but better. That ruled!
And...what about this one ::). 0.58.t=63
mariska
what the name of this film in english ???
Watching FF for my billionth time right now. What an addiction! It's like, I have a life but.....c'mon man, Marc and Kay!!!
Watching FF for my billionth time right now. What an addiction! It's like, I have a life but.....c'mon man, Marc and Kay!!!
My Free Fall secrets.oh god mariska I do much the same
1. I like the "pussy" thing (I know many hate it).
2. I always skip the Marc/Bettina love scene.
3. I stop watching after the hospital scene.
4. I love the bar/bathroom scene so much I watch it at least 3 times in a row.
5. I find negative reviews annoying (very immature, I know).
I was reading all of the comments, and can't believe how many people are just like me out there. For a while, I was wondering if this is normal since I have NEVER liked a movie this much before.
7) Most watched scene on repeat: Kay's pursuit of Marc in the forest and all that....
I really hate negative reviews of the film, too, because I feel like these people just don't get it. I think most of the criticism is unwarranted and I become really suspect of those critics.
OK so... who thinks Marc will eventually find Kay?
I think Marc will definitely find Kay. But if he can't find him, I think Kay will find Marc because he misses him so much that he wants to give him another chance. I think Kay loves Marc in a way that won't die.
Sigh.....
Either way, they will be back together.
I don't know...I don't like that answer :'( In my mind, they are back together. I don't think Kay is over it like that. They have to find each other, they just HAVE to. I won't listen. :(
The ending, I thought, was perfect. I hated it in a way because I wanted them together but the end was one no one saw coming. It was very triumphant for Marc.
aawwww... I think you are right. I am inserting too much of myself into this story. I would turn this world upside down looking for Kay and not stop until I found him if I were Marc.....but I am not Marc, of course.
I just want them together and am willing to fight for them, probably more than they themselves are willing. That's pretty sad. LOL
Here's a look at his new movie translated, The Second Man. Wonder when this will be released in U.S.
:-\ That was really, really strange. :o
OK so... who thinks Marc will eventually find Kay?hi ali
I think Marc will definitely find Kay. But if he can't find him, I think Kay will find Marc because he misses him so much that he wants to give him another chance. I think Kay loves Marc in a way that won't die.
Sigh.....
Either way, they will be back together.
(https://nocturneworlddotcom.files.wordpress.com/2014/10/bzpm_4qiuaenlvp-jpg-large.jpeg)Soooo sweet :)
So funny that we all do the same things (makes it less embarrassing).hi mariska
Omhamdy, maybe I should stop reading the negative reviews too.
And yes, it is adorable, the way Kai says "pussy".
About Bettina: it is not that I don't like her. I do like Katharina Schuttler as an actrice (she played her role very well).
But I don't want to watch that love scene.
Thanks for the clarification Altgerman. I was thinking things were something like that. I hated seeing darling (as our friend Omhamdy would say) Max being all used and turned out like that. But...it was just a movie. He looked kinda into it, though. :laugh:;D yes
Awesome!!! ;)yes and I loved it soooo much when marc started to use it, when they were runing happy togather in the forest :)
I know, isn't the caption so sweet and so true? I wish they could just say it!!
FF Confession: Sometimes I just stare at the pictures and think about how beautiful they are together.I saw the video of max and a woman in the TV movie I didn't like max with the woman ???
It's offical. Max Riemelt is the most gorgeous person on this planet.yes he is
I want to watch that movie as soon as possible.
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yes he is
how is that lady in the movie , is she his mother?
This one's for you OmhamdyThanks ali
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Sooo sad!!! Looks like Marc moved on Kai has been replaced. :'( :laugh:
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Awww!! Awww!! LOVE LOVE LOVE!!! Hanno is soo perfect and beautiful in every way. I love his preppie style - so classic and tasteful. Thank u!!!
Yes Marc and Kay are irreplaceable. I was only kidding in that photo. I hated seeing that KID in his "arms".
MUCH, MUCH BETTER!!!
I love the intensity of Kay's deep stare into Marc's eyes. He's so confident in who he is and who he wants. He challenges Marc to rise up to his level because he loves him so much.Yeah ali, that look in kai eyes he is so confident .
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found this.....only hope someone can translate his responses. Scroll down to see 1 through 11 questions; too bad don't know what he says.
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Vincent, this is just great! We agree on most everything.
Exactly how I see it, too. Marc is following Kay’s lead from the first moment.
Agree. And Kay has gotten Marc to do 2 things that he didn’t really want to do at first, because he is used to following the rules: smoke pot and get in the pool after hours. Kay is leading him again.
I think at this time he still feels “domesticated”, safe inside the boundaries of the life he’s always known.
Marc’s face shows absolute panic, as if everyone will somehow sense what happened between them.
One of my favorite scenes and played so well by both men. Right, Kay is so at ease, just taking a cigarette from Marc’s pocket, grabbing his hand – not asking for a light this time, just taking it – and holding it as he lights his cigarette, that's a very intimate gesture. Marc is aware of every move Kay is making, and the eye contact – smoldering! You can tell Marc is surprised when Kay just walks away – something in him wanted more. And Kay knew exactly what he was doing – what a cocktease; Max Riemelt quietly played this to the hilt.
Do you agree with some of reviews out there, that this was “abuse” or “almost rape”? I find that a particularly offensive comparison. But yes, he is freaked out by his own desires for Kay. I found it interesting that, unlike Ennis, he is able to look Kay in the eye, even after something so intimate.
Very telling – even the way he answers Frank’s question “I thought you knew him at the academy?” Marc’s answer: “yeah, so?” means, we were there together but I don’t know anything about him.
When Marc grabs Kay and slams him into the locker? I think both: angry with Kay for showing up and himself for having feelings he doesn’t want to have. And seriously, how fucking cool is Kay? The look on his face doesn’t change, even when his head hits the locker! Pure 100% confidence.
Marc is panicked when he first sees him. Did he want to keep his pregnant gf a secret from Kay? Then in the bathroom it’s as if he’s in charge now – “so. Now you know.” What we did meant nothing.
The look on Kay’s face I can’t quite figure out. Disappointment, I guess.
He’s stressing, but he can’t stop thinking about Kay and that forest thing, and he wants more but doesn’t want to want more. He’s being torn in 2 directions.
The scene inside the car was totally off for me, until Mariska confirmed that Kay says “It was beautiful.” not "it was nice" like the subtitles read (thank you, Mariska!) Marc is trying to come to terms with what he did: called Kay and asked to meet him for sex. (Would love to know what he really said: want to jog in the pouring rain?) Then he gets dressed quickly, not a word, and starts to leave. Maybe I misread the look he gives Kay before he opens the door – it seemed somehow very smug to me. And Kay seems to be very restrained, just smoking his pot, chillin. Then when Kay says it was beautiful, Marc finally gives up some little smile of “acceptance” that it was. Ennis, all over again.
As for the birthing class, since I was so invested in the relationship between the 2 men, it took me a few viewings to realize that he was there to learn how to “breathe evenly” with Bettina.
Yeah, rookie mistake. He certainly could have said it was somebody he was going jogging with, but to say it was Frank – she knew immediately that he was lying.
This is where the lack of a clear time frame throws me a little. Is this after breakfast the same day? The next week? Have they been together since the car scene? He seems very relaxed and accepting of what he fought so hard against, it would be nice to know how he got there so fast.
Again with the time line, we don’t really know how long it took to get there. He is very relaxed, seems totally giving (which I loved) – until they get out of bed. Although the scene on the balcony is lovely and Kay seems to be totally in love (the way he looks at him! *sigh*), Marc is more reserved, more detached. “Ever want to leave it all behind and start over?” “Not really.” It’s like he’s using Kay.
Yes, exactly, short-term on Marc’s part. I wonder how many times he used that key. So much of their meetings is left to our imagination. Did he go over every day after work? Where else did they meet?
Now see, I thought he just couldn’t get it up because he couldn’t stop thinking about Kay and Bettina just turned him off completely. But it could have been a lie to cover up.
What did you think of the club scene? I didn’t like it at first, but now I love it! They’re both kind of dorky out there, but they look so cute and in love. Even Marc, rubbing Kay’s shoulder and his hand on his neck; and he’s having so much fun! Something he’s not having at home anymore. When Kay brings out the pills, I thought it was Viagra so they could make love all night, but consensus is it’s xtc, and I guess that’s right. Kay is such a bad influence!
In the locker room, Kay does seem to be an outsider; but I didn't interpret Marc's look at Kay as checking to see if he's happy for him. I thought Marc was wondering how it affected Kay, maybe one of the few times Marc actually thought of Kay's feelings. IDK, I could be wrong.
Absolutely! Noticed the hesitation as he opens his car door after the punch, as if he's fighting going back to Kay. And the downhill sign. There is so much feeling in that scene, Hanno Koffler was very good. He’s so emotional, he’s fighting such a battle within himself – excellent acting.
Again, agree 100%, the alley scene. He can’t breathe, he can’t concentrate even on a mundane task, he can’t get his mind off Kay. He has made the rule, told Kay to stay away and he does. But now Marc can’t take it.
On another note, every time I see that scene, the sound of him scrubbing the carpet makes me think of the Geico commercial with Maxwell the pig: Boots & pants! Youtube it (or not, if you don’t want to laugh at the beginning of the scene!)
Very well put. Did the director put Limpinski next to Marc on purpose? On the same side? And Britt. I liked her character.
Yes, the WIKHTQY scene, with Ennis breaking down. Very powerful and well played by both men. “Lying in wait”, excellent way to put it. Marc totally detaches himself from his feelings in the beginning of the scene, and tries to go on the offensive. And this is the most passionate that we see Kay, pushing him and getting in his face – just great acting. Did the ILY take Marc by surprise? Did he just think it was sex? It’s as if Kay’s feelings never entered his mind. One of the times in the movie you want to hate Marc (but can’t) and you really feel for Kay.
As an aside, they’re still raiding gay bars in Germany? Yikes.
Another time when I want to slap Marc. He’s sitting there at the hospital and what’s his reaction when he sees Kay? “Oh shit, not him again.” The heavy sigh and the arms folded on his chest, blocking Kay out. I hate that. But the way he looks up at Kay when he grabs his hand, it's gorgeous! Seriously. I mean, seriously. (Thank you, Hanno!) It shows his confusion; 1 minute he’s pushing him away, the next he wants him. It happens over and over again. But I guess that shouldn’t be a surprise. He’s changing (or trying to change) something that has been ingrained in him since birth. His whole life has been disrupted by this love.
I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him. She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.” Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me. What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay? Or straight, for that matter. What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her. And how did he get home? He took a taxi to the hospital, he should have taken one home, instead of calling his mom.
Yes, back to the bland, boring, domesticated life. (Did they have to put him in an apron?) He does get very defensive: is this an interrogation?
Yeah, not sure about the tradition of raising the pole with baby things on it. Now here Marc seems “back in line” with the domestic thing, seems very happy with Bettina and the baby – until he sees Kay. Why did she make a point of inviting him? To prove she wasn’t a homophobe? I love Britt in this scene, she’s so annoyed with Limpinski.
And yes, the parents’ reaction is as you said. I posted an interview with the director some pages back, and he addressed this issue: people will say they’re accepting of gays until it directly affects them, like a close friend or family member, then it’s a different story.
Here we get a little idea of how often Marc & Kay were seeing each other when Bettina says “All those night shifts. You weren’t even there.” And you can see the panic in his face and hear it in his voice when he tries to talk her into staying. He’s just locked Kay out of his life, and now Bettina is leaving, so he’ll have no one. Yes, she knows now.
The scene in Kay’s apartment when he gives back the key is so painful to watch. How can Marc detach himself from Kay like that? How can he see him bruised and not try to comfort him? (Well, he did try a little and Kay brushed him away, and Marc was okay with that.) Then “What about us?” He just puts the key down and leaves without a word. Damn.
This is the only time in the movie I actually cried: when Bettina screams "What are you then?" Their voices had been so low and controlled, then she just loses it. Totally took me by surprise - again, great acting on her part.
Ok, that he “retreats into domestication” – an explanation to me of why he is shown mowing a yard, which clearly doesn’t need mowing.
I noticed that, too, he never says he’s sorry. Maybe because he’s not.
I didn’t see it as a bookend for the painting scene, but I guess it could be seen that way – both coming at the other from behind. And why did she wait until he was naked and in the shower? So he would be vulnerable? I think it pure hurt and disbelief – how can this be happening? - on her part. His being gay is as unthinkable to her as it was to him, look how long it took him to accept the idea that he wanted Kay. Very well played scene.
The alternate ending so wouldn’t fit with Kay’s personality. I never once saw in him hopelessness or despair, or dependent on Marc to the point of suicide. That would have ruined the whole movie, totally out of character.
To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual?
The scene in the bar is strange. Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay? Why take x? He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second.
One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.
Yeah, very sad to watch. He knows he’s lost everything, he knows it’s his fault, he’s facing up to his responsibility in hurting Bettina and Kay. Shit, is right.
Yes, when he walks into the room they shared together everything must coming rushing back, all the memories.
The bookends of beginning and end were great. I thought the unit trained on the track and in the gym, etc, that’s why he was back on the track, just a normal training run to keep in shape. But now he can “breathe evenly”.
Great movie, tied with Brokeback for my #1. Thanks, Vincent, so good to finally talk about this with you and Mariska. I'm totally surprised more people here haven't gone out of their way to see this.
I love Max! He is sooo sexy :-*
Check out this Instagram posted by Brian Smith (from Max's Sense 8 - Netflix )
Max is the driver, Brian Smith is on the passenger seat, on their way to Napa Valley when they were filming Sense 8 in the Bay Area.
http://instagram.com/p/uOcnFKETcq/
Might be spoilers ahead, so fair warning.........
Has anyone seen this? I watched it again tonight and liked it very much...excellent acting...
Natty/Benjamin, welcome at the freier fall freak forum.
Altgerman, I know I promised to translate the interview. I tried, but Max is not easy, sometimes his anwers are kind of philoshofical and I don't understand all of it.
I'm sorry. If you are still interested, I will try to translate the parts I do understand.
Butler, good to see you're still posting here. I miss our discussions about FF and the rest.
I'm still following the guys, especially Max.
Sense8 should be on Netflix this year and his new movie "Lichtgestallten" looks very interesting.
free fall has becoming popular here in the Philippines... Is there any possiblilty of a part 2 marishka?
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This one is so cute ::), never seen it before.
Where did you find it? Is it an older picture?
From one Russian website. It's a new photo (2015). Place and date unknown :( Maybe during the "Medienboard Berlinale-Empfang 2015" (February 07, 2015).....???
I found it also here (https://twitter.com/kofflernews/)
Hi, everyone, I'm just writing to let y'all know that I've watched the movie (first read about it on morrobay's LJ) and I am BLOWN AWAY. Butlers_Fantasy, thank you for opening this thread and waiting stubbornly and patiently for others to join in, it looks like quite a read, so imma go and catch up with all the posts and I WILL be back, because I can't wait to discuss the hell out of this amazing movie :D
Well, there's at least 1 episode of Sense8 I won't be watching, hope it's not one of Max's. I can take the "psychic orgies" but live birth? No, thanks.
I did it, mariska, I read all 101 pages and I'm back :) wow, where to begin... looks like you guys have pretty much covered it all.
mmmm......I assume this is a joke?
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?fref=ts
mmmm......I assume this is a joke?It is strange that facebooksite is in English.
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Free-Fall-2-Freier-Fall-2/1553203491595933?fref=ts
It is strange that facebooksite is in English.
I think that's not strange at all. FF fans all over the world so of course they know a lot of fans don't speak German.
I also think that the fundraising idea isn't strange at all. They didn't plan to make a sequel, but so many fans asked for it over and over again so it seems logical to me that they reconsidered to make a second part. And if they can't find people who want to invest in it, fundraising might be the only way to realize it.
I think that the ending of FF1 provides beautiful possibilities for a sequal.
To be honest, I think it will be difficult to realize it this way. But not impossible.
I may be wrong but I'm skeptical.
I'm not gonna believe until I see some info on the official site :)
Couldn't just anybody confirm (or deny) the entry regarding FF 2 ? :(
Yess!!
http://www.kurhausproduction.de/news
""In the next few weeks we will be promoting on Facebook and other platforms for Crowdfunding Campaign for FREE FALL 2.
We hope that we are able to develop a second part, and continue the story of Marc and Kai in a strong way""
This is an official site so it is real.
Almost too good to be true :D
Well, we'll have to wait how this crowdfunding campaign thing develops. Hopefully it works out.
I have just found a quite new interview with Max Riemelt. At least one questions was about the planned sequel of Free Fall:
Currently there is a lot of advertising via facebook for a sequel, in case they get enough money by the crowdfunding.
MR: To be honest, I find that a bit difficult. The process has been started now. But up to now there is not even a script yet. Even though "Free Fall" was an important film for me I never accept [an offer for a role] blindly. Let's wait and see what the script is going to be and how the project develops.
Not much and quite restrained.
The interview is in German. Nevertheless, here's the link: http://www.morgenpost.de/kultur/berlin-kultur/article139431431/Der-Schauspieler-Max-Riemelt-sieht-sich-als-eher-faulen-Typ.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L9OkeuPgoFI)
Grrr still haven't been able to watch this. It's only available for online purchase in the US. Especially annoying considering it is a German movie.
Grrr still haven't been able to watch this. It's only available for online purchase in the US. Especially annoying considering it is a German movie.
good picture of Hanno
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Excited to hear about the possibility of a sequel but also unsure that the story needs one.I know what you mean. Right after watching FF I couldn't believe the end. I wanted the sequel immediately and was quite surprised there was none. But the longer I thought about the film the more I understood the end. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to the sequel.
In the meantime I'm devouring every fanfiction story there is about this movie. The one I desperately want to read is Breathe Evenly! Does anyone know Morrobay1990 on live journal? I found part 1 there but am desperate to read the rest! Is there a way to get this story in pdf form?I have heard about this fanfiction too but couldn't find it anywhere. So, just in case you get it could you please forward it to me? That would be really kind of you.
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I love that string of saliva....I wish that kiss would have been filmed closer up. LOL
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Hi Mariska, thanks for posting this update on Max. I wondered if it was going to be made in Hollywood, but it has an Australian director and it will be in English.
Jamie Clayton ... Nomi Marks (12 episodes, 2015)
Max Riemelt ... Wolfgang (11 episodes, 2015)
The one I desperately want to read is Breathe Evenly! Does anyone know Morrobay1990 on live journal? I found part 1 there but am desperate to read the rest! Is there a way to get this story in pdf form? Please message me if you don't want to post the links here.
Max is in 11 episodes for Sense8, many of the cast are only in 3. Only Jamie Clayton who plays Nomi Marks is in 12 episodes, according to IMDb.
Jamie Clayton ... Nomi Marks (12 episodes, 2015)
Max Riemelt ... Wolfgang (11 episodes, 2015)
I know Morrobay and i've read BE.
But as far as I know it's not on the internet anymore, she might have other plans with it.
I feel sorry for whoever did not get the chance to read it because it's really good.
And it would be nice to discuss, especially now we might get a sequal.
Sorry u find me "annoying"(not really though...I don't really give a shit) but that info from imdb is all wrong as almost everything on imdb is always wrong until it gets updated once something is actually released. Imdb is basically a more complicated version of wikipedia with their "facts" that get updated by people who "PAY" to have imdb "PRO"
There is 12 episodes and I know what imdb says but it's likely all the "8" will be in most episodes of the first season.....if not all.
Trailer for Sense8 - oh yeah, Max is in it! Starts June 5WOW LOOKS AWESOME! A NetFlix Original!
Tagline: You are no longer just you
One gunshot, one death, one moment out of time that irrevocably links eight minds in disparate parts of the world, putting them in each other's lives, each other's secrets, and in terrible danger. Ordinary people suddenly reborn as "Sensates."
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKpKAlbJ7BQ&app=desktop)
another person who doesn't read. I didn't say YOU were annoying. I said THAT (your adolescent post about a conversation with Max) was annoying.
Cool! Nice that I can't even read now because I couldn't comprehend the vast complexities of your post that only stated "ok, well, that was annoying"
Rest assured I will try to actually figure that out and the deeper meaning behind it because I'm just a dumbass who can't even read.
pfft!
I didn't say you CAN'T read, I said you DON'T read.
Hello,
I've just found an interesting article about FF 2:
http://www.germanfilmsquarterly.de/upc2_15_3.html
As this link is on the fb page of FF 2 (the producer's page) I think it might be reliable ;)
(There's also a link to this entry on the fb of Max Riemelt)
I know what you mean. Right after watching FF I couldn't believe the end. I wanted the sequel immediately and was quite surprised there was none. But the longer I thought about the film the more I understood the end. Nevertheless, I am looking forward to the sequel.
I have heard about this fanfiction too but couldn't find it anywhere. So, just in case you get it could you please forward it to me? That would be really kind of you.
i 'm thinking about the special assignment mentioned in the storyline is very likely to be a massive demonstration lead by gay activists fighting for equal rights, and Marc as anti-riot police was sent to assist the berlin police to surpress the demonstration, who later find Kay is in that demonstration crowd.
I personally don't see Kay as an activist or attending a demonstration, he's too reserved. He doesn't feel the need to be part of a group; he might support in other ways, but to march in the streets? No, I don't think so.
Hi butler,
You are right Kay is reserved, leading a demonstration is not his style, but attending is another thing. He might be just getting invovled. In the first movie we are given too little background of him, but one thing we know for sure is that he is not quite fit into the police lifestyle, therefore you can see him smoke marijuana outside the swimming pool, tease the trainer who had a talk with him after his absence from the class, and beat that homophobie colleage down in the canteen. Apart from Marc and Britt, he seems isolated from others. Remember the talk in the woods right before the first smoke kiss?
Kay: Ever heard of infiltrating the system?
Marc: Are you an anarchist?
Though it sounds like poking fun, I think Kay is actually not in the system, he is like an outsider, doesn't belong to this place. When he leaves Ludwichberg and heads to Berlin, it is not only Marc that is being left, he actually wants to start a new life in a gay-friendly city. Keep on living as a riot-police? Seriously? He abondon the house, the person he cares for so much, but not giving up a career that caged him? Come on, such a free spirit should not be tamed by all these rules.
It might be a better choice to be a photographer, a journalist, or a bar owner.
And this time he must has his circles, and a new date is also an almost nailed pattern in a sequal. What comes across my mind exactly is that Kay moves to berlin, meets someone new totally different from Marc, maybe a power bottom LOL. Then his new date, or maybe friend join in that marching, and he accompanied. And Marc with his helmet on recognised him in the crowd with someone else, completely shattered to find they are so close yet so far.
Sorry for being poor organised, and weak in grammer. I've been here for a while and read all these comments page by page. Finally i decide not letting language skills ruin my journey into that movie with you. Now i feel i'm in the league.
Hi Hanno (!),Hi Mariska,
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
The director gave us a little info about a possible sequal and it is nice to share thoughts about this info and to hear several opinions and expectations about what possibly will happen.
Kay in a demonstration, interesting thought that never crossed my mind. I assumed that Kay would still be a police officer.
I agree with you Butler. That was the first thing I thought: Kay participating in a demonstration? I don't see that happen.
For the reasons you mentioned.
But we discussed Kay so much, who he is, what he would do or would not do, for me it's difficult to imagine something else that doesn't fit in that picture.
FF2 might be a big surprise for us too, when things are totally different than we expect.
Like I said, I think both Marc and Kai both participate to the special assignment as police officers. But if this is the case, I don't understand how it is possible that Marc couldn't find him.
I hope more people will share their thoughts, even if we don't agree. That makes it interesting.
It appears to me that there is no reason for him to stick to the police career after beaten by a police Limpski (Starbucks spell might be, LOL), and turned down by Marc who ask him to transfer again to another police unit.
He always do what Marc told him to do, but this time he left everything behind it's not reasonable he still follows Marc's advice.I think Kay never followed Marc's advice, he did what he wanted to do. He controlled Marc more than vice versa. Remember little things from the movie. Marc tells Kai to leave the pool, Kay stays in the pool. Kay made Marc do things he didn't want to do (smoking weed, taking pills).
Hi Lea,
Do you live in Germany?
Here in the (south of) the Netherlands we can watch a few German TV channels. I watched the movie too.
But the only one I could understand was Max, the other actors seemed to speak with an acccent??
I loved the little pig :-*, but I didn't understand enough to get the jokes.
Nevertheless, I was happy that I could watch.
Another movie I really want to watch is "To Life". I hope it will be available on DVD soon.
I think Kay never followed Marc's advice, he did what he wanted to do. He controlled Marc more than vice versa. Remember little things from the movie. Marc tells Kai to leave the pool, Kay stays in the pool. Kay made Marc do things he didn't want to do (smoking weed, taking pills).
I think Kay left because he was done with the whole situation, not because Marc told him to leave.
Two new Sense8 trailers.
http://www.netflix.com/WiMovie/80025744
You're right, it's on Netflix, Mariska found it here ^^^
Hey Vincent, good to see you here! You should visit more often.
Have you heard about Free Fall 2? It's still in the discussion phase, but apparently the director and both leads are interested, if they can get a script done and raise money. Sort of like the old saying, if we had eggs we could have ham and eggs, if we had ham.
thanks for the link to the War Boys clip.
I miss the old discussions we used to have here, you and me and Mariska, back when it all started. I always liked to hear your views, a man's perspective. but after 100 pages, I guess we pretty much covered everything. But I like that it's still going, with info about both guys and their new movies. There's never anything about their personal lives - that's good for them - but it might change for Max if he gets famous in the US.
take care
Yes, I'd love to see a follow-up to Free Fall and I REALLY hope it get's made. There are so many angles that could be played with all the loose-ends they left hanging!
YW on the clips. It's actually not a terrible film if you keep it in perspective. The best scene is the clip I posted.
Yes, our Free Fall discussions waned off but I'm always eager to jump back in. I don't think the fim got the exposure it deserved.
V.
Maybe they should film it in English with German subs!Why? It's a German film with German actors.
I was kidding!! Y'all can lighten up just a little
Me too, I'd love to see "To Life" (amongst others). Have you seen "1000 Oceans"? A few months ago it was still on youtube available, though splitted in 7 or 8 parts (and also in German - but without accents as far as I remember ;) )No, I didn't see 1000 Oceans, is it good?
Well, Kay doesn't seem to be someone who keeps a job he doesn't like. He always does what he wants to do. Therefore I cannot imagine that he doesn't like being a police officer. And Kay also tries to achieve his goals, he is ambitious (the runners training, and his whole behaviour - not only towards Marc).I agree, Kay is ambitious and someone who tries to achieve his goals. But is it possible that he literally infiltrated the system? He broke the rules all the time, didn't show up for class etc. He showed resistance to the system. Would he act this way if he loved being a police officer?
That's why I actually don't think he stops working in this sector. Maybe he leaves the police but he could start to work for a private securitiy agency or something like that. Even though he then might miss the chance to infiltrate the system ;)
I think that's funny - I wouldn't care if they remade Titanic (or any other Hollywood movie) in German. Is it because there aren't many good German movies?
Yes, I'd love to see a follow-up to Free Fall and I REALLY hope it get's made. There are so many angles that could be played with all the loose-ends they left hanging!
YW on the clips. It's actually not a terrible film if you keep it in perspective. The best scene is the clip I posted.
Yes, our Free Fall discussions waned off but I'm always eager to jump back in. I don't think the fim got the exposure it deserved.
V.
I think there are a lot of good foreign movies but none of these movies reach the audience a Hollywood movie does. So that's wy I thought it has something to do with language or subtitles.
What I thought was funny was that my sarcastic comment to make the film in English was taken as an offensive remark - and I just wondered why.
Both comments said the exact same thing It's a German movie with German actors. So if Hollywood suddenly took an interest and paid the German actors in USD to speak English, what's the problem with that? It would get much better promotion, more people would see it, the actors would get exposure for more possible roles - seems a win/win.
I really didn't mean to be offensive, that's why I said I had mixed feelings.
What I thought was funny was that my sarcastic comment to make the film in English was taken as an offensive remark - and I just wondered why.
No, I didn't see 1000 Oceans, is it good?
I agree, Kay is ambitious and someone who tries to achieve his goals. But is it possible that he literally infiltrated the system? He broke the rules all the time, didn't show up for class etc. He showed resistance to the system. Would he act this way if he loved being a police officer?
Honestly, like Mariska I wasn't sure how your comment was meant.
Hm, well it sounded a bit like "The German film is good but it would be better if it was in English" (because German/the German version isn't good enough).
And I simply wasn't sure if you indeed meant it this way or if it was just a joke/sarcasm or whatever. I sat there and was between laughing and simply being surprised and a bit speechlessness.
But for me it's ok now :) Hope you see it the same way :)
Butlers, I don’t know you. I am here in my spare time to discuss the film and the actors with other fans. It’s not my intention to argue with someone.
You asked me what I thought about your post – and I gave you an answer.
Misunderstandings happen sometimes. I am glad we talked about it but as far as I am concerned this matter is settled.
I like this thread. But I haven’t been here for 18 months as a silent reader. I watched FF for the first time in February this year. And I didn’t know about this forum before either.
I hope we can talk about more interesting things again now :)
Max is the son of the owner of a car dealership. He has just finished his apprenticeship and it's planned that he runs the business together with his father now. On this occasion there is little reception in the company. However, somehow Max is not the kind of guy who really fits in this position (he just accepts his fate). Then his best friend shows up and talks him into a spontaneous last holiday before life starts to get serious.
And from there on there are several loose ends and the plot doesn't seem to be logical anymore. The film is a bit oppressive and as if you swim in turbid water. But in the end everything gets cleared up. It's not a funny film. But like Free Fall it made me think for a while.
I don't think I would watch it as often as Free Fall but in my opinion it is worth to watch it.
The incident with Limpinski could also cause problems for Kay when he applies for a new unit. I guess it is noted in his personnel file and furthermore it is also possible that the old and new colleagues know each other (i.e. from vocational trainings). So he would always face a tough position. He might have thought that it is better to leave now than to wait that things maybe get even worse and leave then.
He wants to put the past behind him - in all respects.
For Marc it would mean that he has to make an effort to find Kay after he is clear on his feelings. And not to be able to find him immediately could reinforce Marcs feelings.
Ok. I watched the first 6 episodes of Sense8 and pieces of the other 6.
I'm not sure what to think, I will make up my mind once I watched everything.
Superpop: did you watch a part or the whole thing? What do you think?
The few reviews on imbd are really bad. But on twitter most people seem to enjoy it.
Did anyone else watch?
SPOILER!!!
I think the storyline with Max/Kala is really great.
I loved the song and the singing in episode 4.
Just finished watching.
I will share my thoughts but I need to think it over first.
One thing is for sure: it's getting better after the first 6 episodes.
One thing is for sure: it's getting better after the first 6 episodes.
I am so getting back into Free Fall again. Watching the sex scenes in Sense8, they were just cardboard cut-outs compared to the fire between Marc and Kay.
Great pics of Max.
They're calling them Kalagang -
They're calling them Kalagang -
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This thread has been quiet for a while, so i hope you post your thoughts on scenes you liked or think are important. Hopefully we can get it going again. And I'm still looking forward to FF 2.I'll post some thoughts on scenes soon. And speaking of looking forward to FF 2. Did you notice already there was just yesterday posted a new info about the upcoming movie to Free Fall 2 page on Facebook. :D Soooo good to hear that they are still on board with this project.
Hi there to the writer of this last message and to others who may be reading this.
I really am not sure where to start on this forum, but as a past forum member devoted to BBM many years ago, I have sought out a forum to read about and hopefully contribute to discussion on the movie Free Fall, as this story has hit me the same way that I was "hit" when I first viewed BBM.
A friend recommended I view Free Fall just a few days ago and have yet to watch it from beginning to end.
At this point, after just going through as many YouTube vids as I could and reading as much as I could about the storyline, I know for sure that I'm already obsessed - in the same way I was with BBM.
It's sort of been like falling in love, but the other person is oblivious to it .. and how affects a person's thought processes for a while. Sure, I "got over" BBM in a year, but still view the movie from time to time.
If I sound like I'm babbling, it's because I feel like I'm babbling!
Sorry folks, but I really needed to "be in the company" of like-minded people to get grip on this looming obsession.
If I'm out of line here - please tell me and I'll de-register.
Both BBM and FF have obviously hit a very raw nerve that I just can't seem to pinpoint it's source at is point in my life.
I'm hoping to better understand myself through this via this forum.
Thanks for "listening"
...Jack
I'll post some thoughts on scenes soon. And speaking of looking forward to FF 2. Did you notice already there was just yesterday posted a new info about the upcoming movie to Free Fall 2 page on Facebook. :D Soooo good to hear that they are still on board with this project.
Happyhappy NEW YEAR to Everybody!
Sorry, sorry for not posting anything for quite some time now, but we all have been very busy with other film projects...
But now there have been new developments. We finally got everybody together again to concretize our plans for FREE FALL 2. The director, Stephan Lacant, introduced his new story ideas to Hanno and Max and everybody got very exited! We talked and discussed for several hours and still are very enthusiastic about continuing the the story of Marc and Kay. Within the next couple of month we are planing to get a first draft of the new script of the ground. What we haven't decided yet is on how we get the writing process financed. Wether we'll try through a crowdfunding campaign or other investors, hasn't been decided yet... We'll keep you updated!
Hi Val, it's good to see another fan of FF, hope to see you here often.
Another one I noticed but I don't know if my interpretation is right.
I several reviews I read that people thougt it was not oke that Kay puts his hand in marc's pants, sort of sexual abuse or something like that (the scene in the wood).
But did you see what Marc did just before that moment? If you did, I'm curious what you think about that.
Yes, it appears to me that Marc takes Kay's hand and guides it to where both want it to end up. Note: it is a very very quick cut, maybe 1/2 second so it's a stop, rewind, and replay watching the hands very carefully. If it helps, it's shot from behind and to Kay's left and it is very quick cut.In the next cut we are shown Kay obviously jerking Marc off - no mistake there - Marc is willing (and wants) to "take a walk on the wilder side..." He just needed Kay to lead him.
V., thanks for your analysis, great.
And you are so right about Kay beeing the one who controls everything. In an interview I read that Kay was supposed to be the guy having control, I will look for that interview and post it here.
BF, about the scene in the woods and Marcs arm: I agree with V. (earlier I wrote that I thought it was an invitation, Marc leads Kays hand to his pants). In the beginning of that scene Marc opposed en pushed Kay away, but then he surrendered himself, was not able anymore to resist Kay.
I saw that, but read it differently, as if Marc is trying to make a half-hearted attempt to stop him, or move his hand away. For one thing, it's Kay's left hand, and he is obviously right-handed ;)
The forest scene: I still think it was the intention of the movie makers to give the impression that Marc was leading Kay's hand in a certain direction, but you are right again about the left/right hand. Probably this scene is shot in parts and from different sides and I think this happens all the time when making movies, without the viewers noticing this.
Good that you did. Ik could see this a thousend times without noticing.
However, of course you could be right and the intention is diffent.
Curious what others will think when they watched the movie.
It's a little detail but in my opinion important how to interpret. It's quite a difference: Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants because Marc "asked" him to or Kay puts his hand in Marc's pants despite Marc tried to push him away.
What kiss is the most beautiful movie?
For me it's the video below. And you?&index=23
P.S. Tina, I love Hanno !!!
Tiina, there are many details that would like to discuss, such as deleted scenes ... one in which the Marc learns qu Kay left is too much. It could have been placed before the empty apartment scene as a way to strengthen the feeling of loss of Marc.Adoro that scene! Marc is so estatificado and perplexed with the news that does not smoke more !! His expression is one of deep surprise and much pain !!Yes, interesting deleted scene and you're right, it could have been before "empty apartment" scene. But I wonder if the scene would have been in the movie at all should they have chosen that deleted scene instead. One plot in deleted scenes was that Frank was cheating his wife with Britt. That was a big surprise. :o I'm glad they didn't use it in the final version.
Big hug.
Val.
30. So why does Marc provoke Gregor in the locker room? Is he trying to get himself beaten purposely? Is he trying to get enough evidence on Gregor to get him fired? Does Marc now just hate himself? Do we find clues in the next scenes of Marc dancing alone in the gay bar, doing drugs and wishing his pickup was Kay, but no, not Kay. Was Marc truly not gay and only in love in Kay?
Cheers, V.
To me, this is the “short dirty fight” that Ennis picks with the guy in the pick-up, after Thanksgiving dinner at Alma’s, when she tells him she knows the truth.
As for Limpinski: Is he a latent homosexual?
The scene in the bar is strange. Is he trying to recreate his time with Kay? Why take x? He was not a drug guy by any means, and it doesn’t work that fast, he was on that guy in a second.
One thing I did not like was when he raised his fist to hit the guy; another place where the director took it right to the edge and brought it back.
Yeah, very sad to watch. He knows he’s lost everything, he knows it’s his fault, he’s facing up to his responsibility in hurting Bettina and Kay. Shit, is right.
Two scenes I have thinking about a lot:
Marc alone in the bar. When I watched the movie the first time, I thought Marc wanted to investigate his gay feelings by having sexual contact with another guy.
But I think you are right BF, he was trying to recreate his time with Kay. That's why he does exact the same things: dancing, taking drugs, the bathroom.
And maybe that's the moment he realizes it was not just sex with Kay, he found out that Kay was not exchangeable for just another guy.
In the audio comments they didn't say anything about the reason Marc went to the gay bar. But Max and Hanno made a joke. During the scene Marc was in the bathroom with the other guy, Max said: that was difficult for you, wasn't it Hanno? With someone else. Hanno said: I missed you, you can see that. Then both laughed and Hanno said: no, that was really terrible.
But I think this was more about Max/Hanno then Kay/Marc because both actors are clear about the fact that they only wanted to do this movie with each other.
The second scene I thought about is the scene with that Gregor guy. Why did Marc provoke him and why did he let Gregor abuse him?
The first time I thought: why don't you hit him back and hit him really hard for what he did to Kay en what he is doing to you now?
But from the first moment I had the feeling that Marc was mentally the strongest in that scene. Remember wat Gregor said after he hit him: what are you laughing now?
He had no grip on Marc and that made Gregor even angrier.
I think Marc accepted his feelings for Kay, accepted the fact that he fell for another man and did not want to hide this side of him anymore. Like: this is me, whether you like it or not.
And it was like he was making something up to Kay by no longer denying what they had together.
And it may sound rediculous, but when Marc said to Gregor: Is that all you've got? PUSSY, that was for me the most emotional moment of the movie.
He said Kay's word, pussy. And the way he said it, I can't explain why, but for me this made Kay so present. Really, I cried my eyes out.
No, I dont think it had something to do with self-punishment. I think Marc was no langer ashamed and able to stand up for himself.
No No No, it doesn't sound ridiculous! You are 100% right! He admits to Gregor, a known homophobe, that he has been with Kay. When Marc says to Gregor "pussy", he is remembering everything about Kay, and what he learned from him. It's an extremely emotional scene. He is drawing strength from Kay, what he learned from him - very very emotional.
Not sure about Limpinski - nice choice for a name aye? There have been studies I've read which implies those exhibiting the most strong homophobic behaviors may be latent.. Yes on the BBM scene with Ennis punching the guy thru the truck window - raging anger.
The bar scene (to me) is Marc's uber desperate attempt to replace Kay's touch or feeling with another lover... he's grown fond (enjoyed) the experience. It is there, in the stall with the other guy, that he realizes it is ALL gone.. Kay is gone, Bettina is gone and a blow job by a stranger is not and never will be Kay. I sort of flashed to the Jack "Tell you what" scene at the tent with Ennis the last time they were together - though there's no one for Marc to tell.. Marc's experiences with X or most substances seemed very sheltered / limited (back to the parents...) and only have been with Kay. Yes the raised fist is symbolic of Marc fighting / anger with himself but then realizes he can leave.. back to the forest.. only this time he does leave V.
The kiss between them shows a lack they feel each other, is a suffering kiss, homesick, strong !! (THE BEST MOVIE SCENE).Yes, it's so clear after the "I love you scene" that Marc and Kay are in love with each other. That's why it's very frustrating that Marc still does the 180 and decides to choose the traditional family life. ::)
In the following scenes is observed that Marc is calmer, more serene and peaceful, it seems that he understood that love Kay. Pity that after he leaves FEAR master your mind and Marc leaves Kay.
That is why I wish the FF2 Marc suffer a lot to win Kay back !!
Val.
P.S. Sorry my English, I think I can not express myself well.
23. The scene with Marc's mum waiting in the car plays out and is quite frustrating. Mum tries to place a "guilt trip" on Marc when implying she failed in raising him "to be like that..." Marc's response is quite surprising and shows Marc becoming more embolden, willing to stand up to mum... that's tough, maybe too tough.
I didn’t think she said she failed in raising him. She said she “didn’t raise him to be like that.” Which kind of doesn’t make sense to me. What hetero couple would raise their kid to be gay? Or straight, for that matter. What I mean is, you can't raise a child to be one way or another.
Yes, he did finally get a bit of a backbone and came down pretty hard on her.
From my POV, that's implied... if you turned out like this, then we failed in "raising you right".. I've been on the receiving side of similar conversations and it was clear to me what she was implying. I agree, you hope your kids find your own way but in areas where there is only ONE way, once word gets out that the kids did not turn out "right..." then the community automatically wonders WTH did the parents not do for their kids.. implying failure.
Some very old discussions:
My thoughts:
Gregor is saying nasty things about Kay and it's hard to let someone trash-talk of a person you love. And especially when Kay isn't there to defend himself, Marc feels the need to do so. I have always seen the same thing in this scene as I see in the next scene, the club scene. Which is missing Kay. Marc uses the exact same words as Kay and is behaving exactly like Kay with Gregor. "Getting horny, huh?" and "Pussy." Marc could have handled the situation very differently, but that copying tells me that Marc is missing Kay. He's making Kay present and like in the club scene, Marc is making a recreation of the past. I guess the "acting like Kay" also tells about that he's proud of Kay, he was perfect, the way he was.
But why not just defend Kay's honour, why does Marc feel the need to provoke Gregor. Lot of the times when a person is being hurt mentally, for some strange reason, the person wants to also feel the pain physically. And I think this is why Marc wants to be beaten up by Gregor. Or this might also be simply about self-punishment. Does Marc try to fight back.. no.
Marc does kind of come out of the closet too, but I don't think that is what this scene's about. I think he just happens to come out of the closet. Sure, in the past he would never ever had revealed that he has been with a man, but now that Marc has lost EVERYTHING.. what is there to lose anymore.
I interpreted Marc's mum's words as her implying they failed raising Marc right. Yes, you can't raise your child to be a hetero or a gay, but you can set the norms and teach right from wrong etc. What's interesting is the fact that I think most people immediately assume that Marc's mother is speaking about Marc being gay, but is she? Maybe she is just implying to the fact that Marc is cheating on Bettina. And the same goes to the scene at Marc's home. Didn't the director say something like that for many people being gay is ok as long as it doesn't concern you or your family. Then it changes. So I guess that's the point in the "We have nothing against you or gays, but..." scene, but who is there to say that this is again about the gay issue. Who the fuck would want a person to come to your home that you know is having an affair with your son, even though your son is living with someone and they just had a baby. So for me it has never been clearly about homophobia, but about cheating, which obviously is not acceptable.
In this video there is a perfect combination of the best scenes of the film with a very cool song. I think it's perfect !!Thank You!
Val.
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Just came across this thread. I'm impressed that this low budget German movie ist known well outside Germany...
First: It seems odd to me that in the very first scene, Marc tries to catch up to Kay - I mean he must know he is not the best runner, so why use up all your stamina trying to be the fastest?
Then, regarding the following scenes at the „academy“: Why is Marc so violent towards Kay - there had been no reason for this up until now? They practice these police things (attacks, something like that - well I don’t know much about it), and the violence in that scene is the reason why they have to meet with their boss. I’m thinking maybe something happened before the film, or least we could imagine something going on between them which provoked these scenes?
Best, E
Hi Val,
I understood what you wrote, and you make a valid point. Marc may have been attracted to Kay from the start.
Welcome to the forum!
Yes, morrobay, I meant the group practice scene, kinda surprised me that Marc was so aggressive towards Kay. But I like your explanation.
I could also imagine Marc already being subconsiously attracted to Kay and showing aggression because of that… Not sure.
About the early bird scene - not sure what to think about it - i have to watch Free Fall again… :D
Did you see that they are closing the Indiegogo crowdfunding campaign? And also that they will only be starting to film in 2019?
Excuse my English - I'm not a native speaker.
Best, Emma
I don't think he is only fighting the attraction, Kai is also something he doesn't understand. Marc comes from the most square cops family ever, everything is so traditional, but this new guy here is something from another galaxy for him. Probably from a big city (I guess, I don't know), smoking joints, making fun of the rules and breaking them whenever he can.
He has no Berlin accent, but I can't say where his accent is from, it's not distinct enough for me to recognise it. But Berliner I know well ;) It's his clothes and attitude, they scream "city" to me. It could be Köln, or Berlin or Hamburg, he could also be from a small place, but have lived in the city. The truth is I have no idea :laugh: But I would love him to be from Berlin, I love that city. I'm going to be there tomorrow for a concert, actually ;D
Yes, I also got the feeling that he uses his playfulness as a mask. When their relationship turns more "stable" he also seems to become more serious.
I was watching every corner in Berlin but missed him! ;)
Agree! Kay represents everything outside Marc’s comfort zone. He was probably equally intrigued and frightened. Marc’s could not be more square upbringing was repeatedly reinforced in the film, from his parents’ attitude, to the bowling with friends and garden bbq activities.
I read somewhere before about the plot of the sequel (not sure if that has been changed now that they seemed to have finished the first draft of the script), that Marc had tried to find Kay for 2 years without success, now 5 years gone, they met again during a special assignment that took place in Berlin. Do wonder if Berlin could be where Kay come from. :)
I think they will both be in other relationships and meet in Berlin. At first Marc will try to win back all ways that Kay is still hurt and will not easily accept Marc's words. I think Kay will be in a serious relationship with someone else and this time it will be Marc who will use him in every way to regain him, just as Kay did in FF1.
I do not know if I can bear seeing Kay with someone else and Marc suffering... :'(
Kay has his heart broken, but I can’t see him being single for long. But his relationship with Marc must have affected him a great deal as well.
Marc, on the other hand, still have bigger issue to sort out himself, so I can see him feeling lost and might not be in a steady relationship with anyone (man or woman).
I do have faith in Lacant and Dahlem to write a script that will blow us away again. I do hope the sequel will get made. Patience. Patience.
Do you have any thoughts about the scene where Marc and Kay are sitting on the floor next to the bed and Kay is smoking thoughtfully but Marc tries to get their attention and they change some caresses? What were they thinking at that moment? ;D
I think that caress scene and the one preceded that - where they jogged in the woods in silence - both were indications that they’ve lost that carefree/just enjoy this moment luxury they had when they first got together. Shit has gotten serious, so to speak. Both scenes were also acting as contrast to the earlier jogging in the woods and making love in bed scenes, to show the change in mood and their situation.
Marc was under pressure from home and possibly from Kay - it would appear that Kay wasn’t happy about something -maybe they weren’t seeing each other as often, maybe he wanted Marc to come clean (as he said so afterwards). I can see Kay as someone who would give Marc the “silent treatment”. But the tenderness Marc showed and how Kay leaned in to allow the touch, showed they still felt strongly about each other, like they couldn’t help themselves.
Now you make me want to rewatch it ;D
I find the scene in the bathroom very sensual. I did not like it when Kay offers Marc's ecstasy, but even there one notices Kay's confidence in Marc. And when Kay begins to kiss him sensuously and Marc pushes him as if he were there imposing his leadership and submitting to Kay. The kisses are real, the intense caresses and the light of the perfect scene. In addition, Kay's smile of satisfaction at feeling what Marc is doing makes us understand that at that moment Kay was certain that Marc is also in love.
Before that also when they were dancing did you notice the joy and independence of Marc? Those scenes were beautiful.
What are your impressions of this scene? :)
thelastaerie, I would like to say that I appreciate your fics very much and that I am careful to see if you have updated some story for us.
I would like to hear from you and other members of the group who are interested in responding as Marc was thinking about that scene as he was cleaning the floor of his son's room. He was distressed, he looked angry. Was he thinking of Kay and what he was doing or was he just thinking about the monotony of his life? Maybe all these assumptions are correct?