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Brokeback Mountain: Our Community's Common Bond => Brokeback Mountain Fan Fiction & Poetry => Topic started by: MaineWriter on February 17, 2007, 09:39:20 am
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There was a request to start a thread for this story.
Four chapters have been posted so far:
Chapter 1: http://debutante9.livejournal.com/7483.html
Chapter 2: http://debutante9.livejournal.com/8176.html
Chapter 3, part 1: http://debutante9.livejournal.com/9126.html
Chapter 3, part 2: http://debutante9.livejournal.com/9420.html
Chapter 4: http://debutante9.livejournal.com/9809.html
From the author's description:
Jack and Ennis have been the best of friends for 15 years. Their wives, Lureen and Alma, are also friends. The four of them have been through it all together and consider each other and their children to be like family. Jack and Ennis have been season ticket holders to the Baltimore Orioles since their friendship began during a summer job at the Inner Harbor. This story takes place over the course of one baseball season where one missed game changes everything.
Enjoy....
Leslie
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Thanks Leslie! This is such a great story until now! The characterisations are really well done and the dialogue is so vivid! Can't wait to read the next chapter...
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Oh, yeah - thanks, Leslie. IMO, this is one of those not-to-be-missed fics. The author has such a great way of showing us this tight bond between Ennis and Jack and we get to see all the subtle signs that they have not yet allowed themselves to see. It's a fascinating journey to that promised "one missed game" and beyond.
Marie
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I think I'll be starting this one tonight, I've been meaning to for quite some time but since Kumari is a fairly slow updater I keep telling myself I don't need to start it right away because I know I'll get through the 4 chapters and want more immediately.
IMO, this is one of the best writers in the fandom, I haven't even read this yet and I want to recommend it. Kumari is a poet, her characters are unique and intriguing and they will always do the unexpected in the very best ways.
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Oh, she is a slow updater? I didn't know that, I worried if she was gonna update after chapter 3, and I was so happy to see that she hadn't abandoned it! Well, we will just have to be patient. I'm not going anywhere! ;D
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Oh, she is a slow updater?
Yes, Mel!! Very slow! ;D but so worth it. I was kind of 'out' of Ronin and CY :o but after the last two updates I'm completely sucked in again!! And it feels great! ;D
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Yes, Mel!! Very slow! ;D but so worth it. I was kind of 'out' of Ronin and CY :o but after the last two updates I'm completely sucked in again!! And it feels great! ;D
Oh I don't mind, as long as I know she intends on finishing it, then I am OK with it! But how do we ever know that for sure? :-\
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I love this fic.
It's the true 'Seinfield' of BBM fan fic.
The electricy is so strong between J and E and they havent even touched yet.
But that doesn't matter to me. I am just enjoying watching the twists and turns of their minds as they realize that maybe the lives they lead are lies.
The entire Abbey/Ennis or Abbey/Jack situation (who knows? ???) has me greatly confused and interested.
Thoughts?
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Oh I don't mind, as long as I know she intends on finishing it, then I am OK with it! But how do we ever know that for sure? :-\
I'm pretty sure she'll be finishing. I think her slow updates are more due to writing three fics at once than anything else and she's said that The Wolf and the Thunderbird will be ending soon which will make updates on her other two come more quickly.
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The entire Abbey/Ennis or Abbey/Jack situation (who knows? ???) has me greatly confused and interested.
Thoughts?
Yeah, that is interesting. I'm not sure how significant the Abbey character is or how big a role she will play. I can't tell if the scene in the restaurant was simply there to show us that Ennis takes his marriage vows seriously or if there is more to it than that. And then Jack mentions Abbey when they are shopping - hmmm - is that just Jack being Jack or something more? Can't wait to see.
Marie
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(*pops head in and looks around*)
Update?
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(*pops head in and looks around*)
Update?
No Mel......... :(
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Camden Yards 5!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/10876.html
WOW! SO good....I'm blown away.
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Camden Yards 5!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/10876.html
WOW! SO good....I'm blown away.
OMG!!!!! Thanks June... I really wondered if this was gonna be updated soon...
I am so excited, so many new updates today, I cannot keep up..... TCJ, ALSE, CJ.... (more?), oh my.... I need to start reading now...
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OMG! That was wonderful and intense and wonderful and... oh my God!
I love this story and the depth of the characters... there is so much going on under the surface.... Poor Ennis, he has no clue what it is that he is feeling, grief, longing, love and sadness all mixed up....
I wonder where this is all going and I cannot wait for the next chapter!
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Ok, somebody help me here....
You know, I've been thinking about this chapter all day now and there is something about it. It's almost as if the Ennis and Jack in this story have some sort of mutual memory of Brokeback Mountain Jack and Ennis that they cannot put a finger on. They cannot dodge fate, it's as if they know there is has always been something between them and that in their souls they are Brokeback Jack and Ennis, hence the reference to the blood on Jack's t-shirt.
I really don't know how to explain this in English, do I make sense? :-\
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Ok, somebody help me here....
You know, I've been thinking about this chapter all day now and there is something about it. It's almost as if the Ennis and Jack in this story have some sort of mutual memory of Brokeback Mountain Jack and Ennis that they cannot put a finger on. They cannot dodge fate, it's as if they know there is has always been something between them and that in their souls they are Brokeback Jack and Ennis, hence the reference to the blood on Jack's t-shirt.
I really don't know how to explain this in English, do I make sense? :-\
You've explained it perfectly and, yes, you make sense! :) I know just what you mean. There seems to be a cosmic force pushing them together - something greater than themselves and something neither one of them can comprehend or explain - yet.
Kumari has done a brilliant job of leading us to this chapter - this moment - this kiss. Always, always, in every second of every scene between Jack and Ennis we've felt that connection, that vibration, just waiting and wanting to be pushed to the surface. . . so many times Jack casually touched Ennis, or made a reason for Ennis to touch him ( how he started eating the crabs and then had to have Ennis role his sleeves up for him). And how Jack knows Ennis will come to him in his time of need. It was masterfully executed - so subtle but yet so powerful.
I love your comment about the depth of the characters - we know them so well because Kumari has shown us in a million little ways exactly who they are - and yet they are so much more than that- so complex. The depth of the characters brings a depth to the story. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Marie
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You've explained it perfectly and, yes, you make sense! :) I know just what you mean. There seems to be a cosmic force pushing them together - something greater than themselves and something neither one of them can comprehend or explain - yet.
Kumari has done a brilliant job of leading us to this chapter - this moment - this kiss. Always, always, in every second of every scene between Jack and Ennis we've felt that connection, that vibration, just waiting and wanting to be pushed to the surface. . . so many times Jack casually touched Ennis, or made a reason for Ennis to touch him ( how he started eating the crabs and then had to have Ennis role his sleeves up for him). And how Jack knows Ennis will come to him in his time of need. It was masterfully executed - so subtle but yet so powerful.
I love your comment about the depth of the characters - we know them so well because Kumari has shown us in a million little ways exactly who they are - and yet they are so much more than that- so complex. The depth of the characters brings a depth to the story. Can't wait to see what happens next.
Marie
Thank God I was making sense! LOL. I had been running it through my head all day. This scene where they kiss confirms it for me, it was as if it was out of their grasp and like they were taken over by this feeling that was not theirs yet. This opens up everything.
I love how you pointed out that Jack knows in his heart that Ennis will come to him in this time of need. It's so sad and beautiful at the same time...
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Wow! From all the positive comments I just read, this sounds like a really good story.
Maybe I'll start reading it sometime. :)
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Wow! From all the positive comments I just read, this sounds like a really good story.
Maybe I'll start reading it sometime. :)
Oh no, you were reading the comments? We should have put spoiler above them, because these really are EXTREMELY SPOILER-Y comments...
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Don't continue reading these comments David!
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Oh no, you were reading the comments? We should have put spoiler above them, because these really are EXTREMELY SPOILER-Y comments...
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Don't continue reading these comments David!
I know - I thought the same thing when I read David's post. Sorry, David - we get swept away!
Marie
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OK, I have the first chapters of CY printed out and I have carried them around in my bag for weeks now and I finally started rereading the first two chapters this morning on the train and this stood out for me in the dialogue:
“Ah, your hair. Jack wiped the sauce from his hands and put one on Ennis’ shoulder. “Remember how you had a mullet then?” Jack sighed with mock nostalgia.
Ennis took his time with his response. He sipped some beer, ate more of his sandwich, and wiped his mouth. He saw Jack watching him, smiling, waiting to see what he would come up with.
Ennis turned to Jack when he was ready. “Remember when you thought you was Rob Lowe for a week?”
Jack lurched forward and covered his mouth to keep himself from spitting beer on the guy in front of him. He swallowed it with a gurgle and erupted into a choking cough. Once his coughing was under control, he whacked Ennis across the chest with his forearm. He belched loudly and leaned back into his seat; turning his Oriole cap backwards.
“You killed me. I’m dead. Fuck you.”
“You started it,” Ennis mused, draining his beer.
I absolutely adore her dialogue! It's so real, it's so much like best friends banter, it's so cute!
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OK, I have the first chapters of CY printed out and I have carried them around in my bag for weeks now and I finally started rereading the first two chapters this morning on the train and this stood out for me in the dialogue:
“Ah, your hair. Jack wiped the sauce from his hands and put one on Ennis’ shoulder. “Remember how you had a mullet then?” Jack sighed with mock nostalgia.
Ennis took his time with his response. He sipped some beer, ate more of his sandwich, and wiped his mouth. He saw Jack watching him, smiling, waiting to see what he would come up with.
Ennis turned to Jack when he was ready. “Remember when you thought you was Rob Lowe for a week?”
Jack lurched forward and covered his mouth to keep himself from spitting beer on the guy in front of him. He swallowed it with a gurgle and erupted into a choking cough. Once his coughing was under control, he whacked Ennis across the chest with his forearm. He belched loudly and leaned back into his seat; turning his Oriole cap backwards.
“You killed me. I’m dead. Fuck you.”
“You started it,” Ennis mused, draining his beer.
I absolutely adore her dialogue! It's so real, it's so much like best friends banter, it's so cute!
Yep - ditto to all that. These are two people who totally enjoy and appreciate each other. Also, this little scene is a great example of what I mentioned earlier - how Jack so often touches Ennis - a hand on the shoulder, even a "whack" on the chest - once I started looking for it, I noticed it more and more throughout the story - very subtle - but very meaningful. I'm so anxious for an update!
Marie
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Chapter 6 is up!!!!!! *Faints*
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Here's a link to Chapter 6....
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/12933.html#cutid1
Leslie
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Here's a link to Chapter 6....
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/12933.html#cutid1
Leslie
Yeah, didn't think about that, I was dead on the floor, you see.... ;D
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Yeah, didn't think about that, I was dead on the floor, you see.... ;D
Yep, I'll bet there are a lot of "dead on the floor" readers of that chapter. Damn. That was so well-written - and it's not just what happens, it's also the process that's executed so well.
Marie
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Yep, I'll bet there are a lot of "dead on the floor" readers of that chapter. Damn. That was so well-written - and it's not just what happens, it's also the process that's executed so well.
Marie
I so agree, Marie! I loved the steps they took toward each other and the little flirtations that came almost automatically because they are already so close. This is such a great story, I loved that she showed us some things about Lureen and Alma too, it gives an extra layer to the story. And the ending, I really thought I was gonna pass out!
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I so agree, Marie! I loved the steps they took toward each other and the little flirtations that came almost automatically because they are already so close. This is such a great story, I loved that she showed us some things about Lureen and Alma too, it gives an extra layer to the story. And the ending, I really thought I was gonna pass out!
"...the little flirtations that came almost automatically because they are already so close..." Yes, exactly, Mel! The fact that they have been best friends for so many years adds such a different dynamic to ....everything. The Lureen and Alma conversation was interesting and enlightening as to the different relationships they have with their husbands. Yeah, the ending was a heart pounder . . . loved that the first word of the chapter was "....Jack...." and the last word of the chapter was "...Ennis...." Guh.
Marie
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"...the little flirtations that came almost automatically because they are already so close..." Yes, exactly, Mel! The fact that they have been best friends for so many years adds such a different dynamic to ....everything. The Lureen and Alma conversation was interesting and enlightening as to the different relationships they have with their husbands. Yeah, the ending was a heart pounder . . . loved that the first word of the chapter was "....Jack...." and the last word of the chapter was "...Ennis...." Guh.
Marie
I didn't even notice that bookend! :o Guh indeed! :P
I also loved how Jack said that about "Happen, please let happen again", I adored that because it is so true to life, everybody who has fallen in love with somebody can relate to that feeling.
God, this must be one of the best fanfiction chapters I have read in a LONG while....
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Just puttin' in my 2 cents worth to say I love this fic. It's subtle, multi-layered, and sexy.
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Just puttin' in my 2 cents worth to say I love this fic. It's subtle, multi-layered, and sexy.
I agree, it's very well-written and the last chapter was just...*faints again*... ;)
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No update since April :'(
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No update since April :'(
I didn't know you were reading CY Dottie. :)
I started reading it too and then I got sidetracked. It's a good story.
Have you read Melissa's fanfic yet?
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,8508.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,8508.0.html)
It's really good.
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I didn't know you were reading CY Dottie. :)
I started reading it too and then I got sidetracked. It's a good story.
Have you read Melissa's fanfic yet?
http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,8508.0.html (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,8508.0.html)
It's really good.
No I haven't yet honey, I've been reading Mandy's Just by Looking at You and The Only Thing that's Real and I am totally hooked on the VERY steamy, very sexy The Tie That Binds by Alexis . I've read all of Jeff's stuff. All of it is very good. I will check out Melissa's next...maybe I'll print it out and take it with me on our road trip. :D
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Chapter 7 is up!!! Mel, where are you?
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/14219.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/14219.html)
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Wow - this writing is just so damn good. Each word is imbued with such symbolism and depth, but, yet, nothing is contrived. All the actions and words ring so true and are so natural.
The differences between Ennis's encounter with Abbey and his moments with Jack are so revealing. Great phrasing here that kind of sums it up - "...what he was trying to build (if just for the afternoon)" Trying to build something - as opposed to the special moments with Jack that are just so organic. Ennis realizes this - but that's not at all the same as accepting it. Can't wait to see what transpires when J&E see each other again. And, of course, we can't forget about Alma and Lureen and Bobby and the girls ... because anything that happens or doesn't happen is going is going to affect all of them. What a fascinating journey this is.
Marie
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Chapter 7 is up!!! Mel, where are you?
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/14219.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/14219.html)
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Wow - this writing is just so damn good. Each word is imbued with such symbolism and depth, but, yet, nothing is contrived. All the actions and words ring so true and are so natural.
The differences between Ennis's encounter with Abbey and his moments with Jack are so revealing. Great phrasing here that kind of sums it up - "...what he was trying to build (if just for the afternoon)" Trying to build something - as opposed to the special moments with Jack that are just so organic. Ennis realizes this - but that's not at all the same as accepting it. Can't wait to see what transpires when J&E see each other again. And, of course, we can't forget about Alma and Lureen and Bobby and the girls ... because anything that happens or doesn't happen is going is going to affect all of them. What a fascinating journey this is.
Marie
I thought I was gonna have a heart attack when I saw the update on bbslash! LOL! Just when you're not even thinking about this story anymore OR expecting an update and thinking to hell with this story, there it is! LOL!
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A fascinating journey indeed! I had real trouble reading about Ennis having sex with Abbey! The moment she lay her hand on his chest and took his hand, I was screaming TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF HIM YOU B***H!!!! God, I was a mess after reading that, it was complete torture.... But then there was the last line that gave me back my sanity!
I agree with you, Marie, about how organic the encounters are between Jack and Ennis compared to how much Ennis has to think when he is with Abbey.
What do you think is gonna happen now?
Now let's hope she doesn't take another 2 MONTHS to update....
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I thought I was gonna have a heart attack when I saw the update on bbslash! LOL! Just when you're not even thinking about this story anymore OR expecting an update and thinking to hell with this story, there it is! LOL!
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A fascinating journey indeed! I had real trouble reading about Ennis having sex with Abbey! The moment she lay her hand on his chest and took his hand, I was screaming TAKE YOUR HANDS OFF HIM YOU B***H!!!! God, I was a mess after reading that, it was complete torture.... But then there was the last line that gave me back my sanity!
I agree with you, Marie, about how organic the encounters are between Jack and Ennis compared to how much Ennis has to think when he is with Abbey.
What do you think is gonna happen now?
Now let's hope she doesn't take another 2 MONTHS to update....
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Yes, let's hope - but I think she's writing at least two other fics, so...... :-\
I know exactly what you mean about the Ennis/Abbey scene. I knew Abbey served a purpose in the storyline, and then when her brother mentioned to Jack in the last chapter that Abbey had given Ennis her phone number, I thought, uh oh ... this is definitely leading somewhere, and not somewhere good. And because Abbey blabbed to her brother about that, I don't have any doubt she'll blab about the fact that Ennis did indeed call her ... and then her brother will blab again to Jack and . . . I can't stand thinking about it!
And, yeah, I was thinking the same thing: you two-bit hussy - get your hands off him, he's a married man. Which is really funny because (hiding head in shame), I wasn't feeling bad that he was cheating on Alma. It was Jack I was thinking about. I do understand though why Ennis went to Abbey - he is completely freaked out about what happened with Jack. He is in such a screwed up place right now.
I'm so bad at predicting - I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, the last line helped, but I have the feeling it's going to be a tough road out of denial for Ennis. He and Jack both realize how right it felt between them - but they went in totally opposite directions with that realization. It will be interesting to see how (I hope!!!) they get back on the same road and heading in the same direction.
Marie
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Yes, let's hope - but I think she's writing at least two other fics, so...... :-\
I know exactly what you mean about the Ennis/Abbey scene. I knew Abbey served a purpose in the storyline, and then when her brother mentioned to Jack in the last chapter that Abbey had given Ennis her phone number, I thought, uh oh ... this is definitely leading somewhere, and not somewhere good. And because Abbey blabbed to her brother about that, I don't have any doubt she'll blab about the fact that Ennis did indeed call her ... and then her brother will blab again to Jack and . . . I can't stand thinking about it!
And, yeah, I was thinking the same thing: you two-bit hussy - get your hands off him, he's a married man. Which is really funny because (hiding head in shame), I wasn't feeling bad that he was cheating on Alma. It was Jack I was thinking about. I do understand though why Ennis went to Abbey - he is completely freaked out about what happened with Jack. He is in such a screwed up place right now.
I'm so bad at predicting - I don't know what's going to happen. Yeah, the last line helped, but I have the feeling it's going to be a tough road out of denial for Ennis. He and Jack both realize how right it felt between them - but they went in totally opposite directions with that realization. It will be interesting to see how (I hope!!!) they get back on the same road and heading in the same direction.
Marie
Oh yes, Ennis's denial is deep I think, but I somehow think he won't be going back to Abbey, even if he was thinking of the details of his affair. Gosh, that man is on a roll isn't he, two affairs in only a few weeks? LOL!
The sex between him and Abbey reminded me a bit of the sex Ennis has with Alma in the Proulx OS in a way. I am not sure why. It just felt so wrong, but yeah, it was because of course we want Ennis to be with Jack and not Abbey!
I still think that house Jack is building has something to do with the rest of the story. He hasn't told Lureen about that yet! And then there's the season tickets they have!
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Oh yes, Ennis's denial is deep I think, but I somehow think he won't be going back to Abbey, even if he was thinking of the details of his affair. Gosh, that man is on a roll isn't he, two affairs in only a few weeks? LOL!
The sex between him and Abbey reminded me a bit of the sex Ennis has with Alma in the Proulx OS in a way. I am not sure why. It just felt so wrong, but yeah, it was because of course we want Ennis to be with Jack and not Abbey!
I still think that house Jack is building has something to do with the rest of the story. He hasn't told Lureen about that yet! And then there's the season tickets they have!
Oh, I agree, Mel. Ennis won't be going back to Abbey. That was pretty clear to me after this paragraph:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
Oh, and one thing that Ennis is wrong about - I don't think Abbey is smarter than him at all. I don't think Ennis gives himself enough credit.
And, yeah, the house that Jack is secretly building just has to enter into this somehow - just as Abbey served (hopefully that's past tense) her purpose in the story, that house must have a purpose too.
I'd completely forgotten about the rest of the season tickets! You're right - it's only June in the story. Lots and lots of games left in this season! I love when things get so complicated and intriguing (hmm... there's another great story I'm reading that's all angsty and complicated and intriguing, too - but that author has kindly guaranteed a happy ending ;) LOL!)
Marie
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Oh, I agree, Mel. Ennis won't be going back to Abbey. That was pretty clear to me after this paragraph:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
Oh, and one thing that Ennis is wrong about - I don't think Abbey is smarter than him at all. I don't think Ennis gives himself enough credit.
And, yeah, the house that Jack is secretly building just has to enter into this somehow - just as Abbey served (hopefully that's past tense) her purpose in the story, that house must have a purpose too.
I'd completely forgotten about the rest of the season tickets! You're right - it's only June in the story. Lots and lots of games left in this season! I love when things get so complicated and intriguing (hmm... there's another great story I'm reading that's all angsty and complicated and intriguing, too - but that author has kindly guaranteed a happy ending ;) LOL!)
Marie
Which one is that......? ;)
Uhm... yeah, I was kind of thinking about that when I wrote chapter 23 today and thinking about the happy ending to my story, that Kumari never really said CY would end happily.... :-\ Now you got me worried even more...
I love what you said about Ennis not giving himself credit, I believe that too, but it's just the surface, it's something he is hiding his real self behind, and hopefully Jack will be able to permanently drag him out!
And however much I try to like Abbey for being so cooky and wacky (are that the right words) and I normally love those kind of people, just the fact that she had sex with Ennis after his 'Jack revelation' makes her number one on my hitlist. Can't help it, the girl's gotta watch her back from now on! :laugh:
Oh and that paragraph you quoted says it even better than the last sentence, yes, I completely forgot about that! Ha, need to read it a second time I guess!
Re: tickets: aren't they supposed to go to an away-game? Gosh, I really wish we wouldn't have to wait two months for chapter 8... maybe she has a surprise for us?
We can always hope, right?
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Yep, Mel - "cooky and wacky" are exactly the right words for Abbey. And you're feelings about Abbey are perfectly valid - I mean they're your honest feelings - so they can't be wrong! (Although I have to admit that Ennis was totally hot with her - in fact, I think part of me was jealous of Abbey, which may be another reason I didn't like seeing him with her LOL!)
And, yes, Mel - we can always hope!
Marie
(P.S. You wrote Chapter 23 today? Yay!)
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Yep, Mel - "cooky and wacky" are exactly the right words for Abbey. And you're feelings about Abbey are perfectly valid - I mean they're your honest feelings - so they can't be wrong! (Although I have to admit that Ennis was totally hot with her - in fact, I think part of me was jealous of Abbey, which may be another reason I didn't like seeing him with her LOL!)
And, yes, Mel - we can always hope!
Marie
(P.S. You wrote Chapter 23 today? Yay!)
Yep, I did, it's a record, wrote it in one day. Doesn't mean it's finished though... have to do rewrites now... :P
Abbey: I just kept thinking of that granny dress she was wearing though, the way Kumari described it didn't make me think Ennis would go for her like that, but he really enjoyed it I guess, which makes his feelings for Jack apparently even stronger, because if he already immensely enjoyed this, what must the experience with Jack done to him? Ha!
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OK, Marie, I'm back... ;D
Mmmmm.... I was just reading CY and some of the comments and you know what I noticed? There are some commenters who wonder why others were so shocked by the sex between Abbey and Ennis. The sex was hot, what's wrong with straight sex in the fandom? I think they seem to forget that when you root for a couple to make it in a story it might be normal to feel not so happy about one of the two to have sex with somebody else. And let's face it, when the story involves Jack AND Ennis, you want them to be together, right? I think I know why I didn't think the sex was hot at all. (And remember, this is completely subjective!) It wasn't based on feelings that have developed over time and that come to fruition (oh God there I go again... is that even a word...?) which makes sex scenes in stories so interesting. The sex scene was necessary and extremely well-written, but it didn't do anything for me. I know I was waiting for Ennis to run away but I knew he wasn't going to, he needed to experience this. I do love that about this story and about the way she writes, it's not like she writes what people generally want to read to sooth their nerves and she doesn't shy away from writing difficult things.
Then there's Abbey. OK, she is different, but who isn't? I have always felt like that and had friends like that, still do, and I have only just started completely accepting that not all people are gonna understand me, my music choice, my film choice, my choices in life. So I can relate to her wackiness, but she just annoyed the hell out of me. Is it just because she screwed Ennis? Is it because she plays records instead of plugs in her iPod? Is it because she opened the door in a pale pink housedress? Or is it because I am not even sure what a pale pink housedress looks like because I am not even sure we have housedresses in Holland and I am picturing her completely different than Kumari intended? I think it's none of these reasons. I'm annoyed at her for giving Ennis the opportunity to cheat on Alma and Jack at the same time. I am annoyed at Ennis for taking it. I might find the whole 'scene' so 'shocking' because I am looking at it through Jack's eyes because I relate so much to him and I know how much he will be hurt when he finds out about this.
I am sorry, I am rambling....
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I am sorry, I was trying to make sense of my own cooky and wacky comments... :-\
LOL!
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Hi ya Mel!
I love reading your posts! I totally understand what you're saying. :) As I said before, I found Ennis to be totally hot in that sex scene, but not because he was with Abbey (if that makes any sense). I didn't like the idea of Ennis being with her. Not at all. And, yeah, it is partly (well, ok, mostly) because I am, as you said, rooting for J&E to be together. But, you know what? (And I almost feel like I have to apologize for saying this because apparently many people just loved Abbey). I didn't think she was cool or smart or free or awesome or any of the other things that others found in her. I thought she was sad - and rather pathetic. She seemed to be so nonchalant, almost cavalier, about having a quickie with Ennis, as if she does this type of thing all the time with guys she picks up at work - and I think that's kind of pitiful. I keep coming back to this same paragraph that I quoted earlier:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
That's not cool or funny or quirky in a good way to me - it's sad. And I think Ennis has the situation figured out completely - and that's why he's a hell of a lot smarter than Abbey.
And, yeah, I'm worried about Jack's reaction too (and to be honest, I'm also for worried for Alma!). He was bothered when he found out from Jude that Ennis had taken Abbey's phone number - I don't know what he's going to think when he finds out the rest of the story.
Feel free to ramble away, Mel - I love discussing this with you! :)
Thanks,
Marie
P.S. Yes, fruition was the perfect word.
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Hi ya Mel!
I love reading your posts! I totally understand what you're saying. :) As I said before, I found Ennis to be totally hot in that sex scene, but not because he was with Abbey (if that makes any sense). I didn't like the idea of Ennis being with her. Not at all. And, yeah, it is partly (well, ok, mostly) because I am, as you said, rooting for J&E to be together. But, you know what? (And I almost feel like I have to apologize for saying this because apparently many people just loved Abbey). I didn't think she was cool or smart or free or awesome or any of the other things that others found in her. I thought she was sad - and rather pathetic. She seemed to be so nonchalant, almost cavalier, about having a quickie with Ennis, as if she does this type of thing all the time with guys she picks up at work - and I think that's kind of pitiful. I keep coming back to this same paragraph that I quoted earlier:
He remembered looking into her fridge and seeing her strange food, listening to her talk about her life. He wondered if Junior secretly felt the same way about their family, if she couldn’t wait to get a ticket the hell out of Arbutus. He had wanted the girls to stay in state for college, but maybe he was wrong. If he made Junior feel guilty and stay, she might hate him or worse; she would end up screwing some married guy who used her to forget about his own fucked up shit that had nothing to do with her.
That's not cool or funny or quirky in a good way to me - it's sad. And I think Ennis has the situation figured out completely - and that's why he's a hell of a lot smarter than Abbey.
And, yeah, I'm worried about Jack's reaction too (and to be honest, I'm also for worried for Alma!). He was bothered when he found out from Jude that Ennis had taken Abbey's phone number - I don't know what he's going to think when he finds out the rest of the story.
Feel free to ramble away, Mel - I love discussing this with you! :)
Thanks,
Marie
P.S. Yes, fruition was the perfect word.
I love how you put that and yes, that is a very telling paragraph, and worthy of quoting twice!
Also, I understand what you are saying about Ennis in that scene, it shows that he is starting to get in touch with his sexuality again and this can only be positive for Jack. LOL!
Oh Alma, yes, I never have that with OS Alma, but this Alma is just causing me to have so much more sympathy for her. I don't know why. I also felt sorry for her when Ennis made it all about himself when HER father died. At least, that's how I interpreted it, do you know what I mean?
And if I come to think of it now, I feel sorry for Abbey too, and hope she doesn't fall in love with Ennis, because she doesn't stand a chance with him. In a way Ennis used her, and even if she offered herself willingly, he should have known better and I think that paragraph you quoted shows that he understands that. He might have been intrigued by her for a little while, but it didn't last.
Love discussing this with you too! A story worth discussing because she puts so much thought into writing it.
:-*Mel
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*David pokes his head through the door and eavesdrops on Melissa and Marie*
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...Also, I understand what you are saying about Ennis in that scene, it shows that he is starting to get in touch with his sexuality again and this can only be positive for Jack. LOL!
Yep, you stated that better than I did (and let's hope about the "positive for Jack" part! ;D )
Oh Alma, yes, I never have that with OS Alma, but this Alma is just causing me to have so much more sympathy for her. I don't know why. I also felt sorry for her when Ennis made it all about himself when HER father died. At least, that's how I interpreted it, do you know what I mean?
Well, I'm one of those people who has always had sympathy for Alma, even in the OS - she really never did anything but marry a boy she loved. But I do find I'm worrying about her even more in this story. I think it's because she knows Jack in this story. To use Kumari's own description - they are family to each other. So she's not only being betrayed (and, yes, as much as I want J&E together -I can't deny that that's what they're doing) by her husband but by someone else that she loves....and trusts. Another reason why I find this whole story so intriguing and so original - how will all of this play out?
I was so deeply touched by Ennis's sincere devotion and love for Hank and how gentle and patient he was in caring for him, that I can't be upset with him for his reaction to Hank's death. It seemed to me that he thought of Hank as the father he lost, more than a father-in-law. I do know what you mean - Alma was grieving too, of course - but I didn't see Ennis as consciously making it all about him instead of Alma - it was more that he was so lost in his own grief. Ennis is always taking care of people in this story - always worrying about someone else and he never (until now) has thought much about himself or his feelings. I keep thinking back to the famous "missed game" chapter where Ennis cries to Jack about how he took it like a man when his parents died, then asking "Why can't I have nobody" - that just broke my heart.
God, I hope Abbey doesn't expect more from Ennis - he needs more guilt like a hole in the head! I don't think on a conscious level Ennis realized he was using Abbey until the moment he was reflecting about it. Ennis has been through an emotional earthquake in the last few chapters - his entire life and everything he always thought he knew about himself is upside down and inside out. And where can he go? What can he do? Because his most trusted friend and confidant is the very person causing the upheaval. To say that this is a complicated situation would be the understatement of the century!
Well, look how I've rambled now! LOL! You're so right - this is a story worth discussing because of all the thought put into it!
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Marie
Ha Ha! I was just about to post and I spotted David poking his head through the door! :laugh: Come on in, David - are you reading this story, too?
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God, Marie, I love it when you ramble! :)
You always have such insightful thoughts about what drives a person to do or say certain things. And you know Ennis and Jack so well.
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*David pokes his head through the door and eavesdrops on Melissa and Marie*
What are you doing here????? You're not even reading this story anymore! >:(
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God, Marie, I love it when you ramble! :) . . . .
Aww, thanks, Fabienne - glad to know I'm making some sense. Can't always tell when I start rambling! :laugh: I don't know about insightful - but, like everyone else here, I sure do love both our boys a whole lot. :)
What are you doing here????? You're not even reading this story anymore! >:(
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What? You mean someone was able to start this story and not continue? How is that possible?!?!? :laugh: Glad to see you peeking in anyway, David. :)
Marie
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What? You mean someone was able to start this story and not continue? How is that possible?!?!? :laugh: Glad to see you peeking in anyway, David. :)
Marie
Can you believe it? I can't. I keep telling him to continue reading it, and he just doesn't want to! Will you tell him what he's missing by not reading this story, he's not listening to me anymore!
Yep, you stated that better than I did (and let's hope about the "positive for Jack" part! ;D )
Well, I'm one of those people who has always had sympathy for Alma, even in the OS - she really never did anything but marry a boy she loved. But I do find I'm worrying about her even more in this story. I think it's because she knows Jack in this story. To use Kumari's own description - they are family to each other. So she's not only being betrayed (and, yes, as much as I want J&E together -I can't deny that that's what they're doing) by her husband but by someone else that she loves....and trusts. Another reason why I find this whole story so intriguing and so original - how will all of this play out?
I was so deeply touched by Ennis's sincere devotion and love for Hank and how gentle and patient he was in caring for him, that I can't be upset with him for his reaction to Hank's death. It seemed to me that he thought of Hank as the father he lost, more than a father-in-law. I do know what you mean - Alma was grieving too, of course - but I didn't see Ennis as consciously making it all about him instead of Alma - it was more that he was so lost in his own grief. Ennis is always taking care of people in this story - always worrying about someone else and he never (until now) has thought much about himself or his feelings. I keep thinking back to the famous "missed game" chapter where Ennis cries to Jack about how he took it like a man when his parents died, then asking "Why can't I have nobody" - that just broke my heart.
God, I hope Abbey doesn't expect more from Ennis - he needs more guilt like a hole in the head! I don't think on a conscious level Ennis realized he was using Abbey until the moment he was reflecting about it. Ennis has been through an emotional earthquake in the last few chapters - his entire life and everything he always thought he knew about himself is upside down and inside out. And where can he go? What can he do? Because his most trusted friend and confidant is the very person causing the upheaval. To say that this is a complicated situation would be the understatement of the century!
Well, look how I've rambled now! LOL! You're so right - this is a story worth discussing because of all the thought put into it!
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Marie
Ha Ha! I was just about to post and I spotted David poking his head through the door! :laugh: Come on in, David - are you reading this story, too?
Oh God, Marie, you are making so much sense! Of course it's so much more the sense of betrayal, it's somebody she has known all those years and he is family! God, can you imagine that happening to you? It's such a different kind of betrayal than that in the OS.
Yes, it makes sense that he runs to somebody he doesn't have a bond with, because of what you said, he needs to clear his mind. It's definitely a complicated and confusing situation when you find yourself making out with your best friend in a shipyard after your father-in-law died. God, I loved that part in the last chapter by the way, I loved how Jack said how much he wished it would happen again, he was pushing forward because he wanted to feel Ennis's lips on his again. Damn, I love Jack.
I also loved how in chapter 6 he said that he felt happy when he first kissed Ennis and I feel that Jack is starting to feel happiness again now, because he also reached out to Bobby for the first time.
Mel :-*
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Can you believe it? I can't. I keep telling him to continue reading it, and he just doesn't want to! Will you tell him what he's missing by not reading this story, he's not listening to me anymore!
Hmm ... well, he must have been listening a little if he's popping his head in the door! ;) :laugh: Maybe we can hook him again.
Oh God, Marie, you are making so much sense! Of course it's so much more the sense of betrayal, it's somebody she has known all those years and he is family! God, can you imagine that happening to you? It's such a different kind of betrayal than that in the OS.
Yes, it makes sense that he runs to somebody he doesn't have a bond with, because of what you said, he needs to clear his mind. It's definitely a complicated and confusing situation when you find yourself making out with your best friend in a shipyard after your father-in-law died. God, I loved that part in the last chapter by the way, I loved how Jack said how much he wished it would happen again, he was pushing forward because he wanted to feel Ennis's lips on his again. Damn, I love Jack.
I also loved how in chapter 6 he said that he felt happy when he first kissed Ennis and I feel that Jack is starting to feel happiness again now, because he also reached out to Bobby for the first time.
Mel :-*
No, I can't imagine it! And isn't it a testament to how much we love J&E and how well-written this story is that we are actually rooting for J&E to get together! And I keep focusing on Alma - but how about Lureen? I remember back a few chapters when Abbey first came into the picture and Jack was teasing Ennis that Abbey was paying attention to him. And then we hear Ennis thinking that he didn't believe Jack had ever cheated on Lureen and something about if Jack did then Lureen would make sure he was living in a cardboard box without a dick (or something to that effect). Pretty funny line - but I also don't think it's too far from the truth.
And, yeah, I get all gooey and teary thinking of Jack finding such pure happiness in the moment of that kiss. Jack is always irresistible - but this CY Jack is particularly irresistible! ("The Master of Parallel Parking" LOL!) And, yep, this also seems to be having a positive effect on Jack's relationship with Bobby and I love seeing that, but what will happen if Bobby finds out about Jack and Ennis? What would his reaction be? And how about Ennis's girls? God, my head hurts thinking about the shock waves running through those families.
But, I'm getting way ahead of myself - we haven't even seen J&E together again since the night in the shipyard (and how did that night end I wonder? what other words were exchanged? what did they say when Jack dropped Ennis off at home?) Gah ... I want to know everything all at once and we'll probably have to wait another month or so to find out just a little . . . . We'll just have to spend our time thinking about it! :laugh: (Well, I'll be thinking - you have a story to finish - and another to begin!)
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Marie
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Hmm ... well, he must have been listening a little if he's popping his head in the door! ;) :laugh: Maybe we can hook him again.
No, I can't imagine it! And isn't it a testament to how much we love J&E and how well-written this story is that we are actually rooting for J&E to get together! And I keep focusing on Alma - but how about Lureen? I remember back a few chapters when Abbey first came into the picture and Jack was teasing Ennis that Abbey was paying attention to him. And then we hear Ennis thinking that he didn't believe Jack had ever cheated on Lureen and something about if Jack did then Lureen would make sure he was living in a cardboard box without a dick (or something to that effect). Pretty funny line - but I also don't think it's too far from the truth.
And, yeah, I get all gooey and teary thinking of Jack finding such pure happiness in the moment of that kiss. Jack is always irresistible - but this CY Jack is particularly irresistible! ("The Master of Parallel Parking" LOL!) And, yep, this also seems to be having a positive effect on Jack's relationship with Bobby and I love seeing that, but what will happen if Bobby finds out about Jack and Ennis? What would his reaction be? And how about Ennis's girls? God, my head hurts thinking about the shock waves running through those families.
But, I'm getting way ahead of myself - we haven't even seen J&E together again since the night in the shipyard (and how did that night end I wonder? what other words were exchanged? what did they say when Jack dropped Ennis off at home?) Gah ... I want to know everything all at once and we'll probably have to wait another month or so to find out just a little . . . . We'll just have to spend our time thinking about it! :laugh: (Well, I'll be thinking - you have a story to finish - and another to begin!)
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Marie
Well, yes, we will have to find ways to convince David to start reading again!
Oh yes, then there's Lureen. Ha, I think that's exactly the way she will be reacting when she finds out about this. I think that's a reason that Jack is building this house maybe, although I wonder how much forethought he must've had to build something just for himself. Mmmm.... something else to think about! LOL! She is very different from Alma and will react differently too, that's for sure.
God, yes, I am such a romantic, I loooooved that first kiss, I'm a sucker for reading about first kisses. I have just written the first kiss for my new story and I keep rereading and rewriting it to make it just right because it's such an important moment! Between Jack and Ennis it is always special. I remember in CY 5, Jack thought that he was not gonna screw up the one pure thing in his life, and then he pulled away from Ennis and walked to the livingroom. I did wonder about that sentence in the next chapter, because he wasn't thinking about screwing up their friendship anymore by then, because he knew there was no way back from what they did (actually, I think they could still have played that off as something that happened because of the emotions, but after the whole shipyard deal, there really was no way they could go back to being best friends only.
I keep thinking Bobby's reaction will be the most mellow, because he's always felt different than other people and misunderstood.
Oh yes, how did their night at the shipyard end? I wonder about that too! I was hoping the chapter was gonna start with that, to be honest, but I knew it wasn't going to... We have to fill it in ourselves I guess... No problem! :laugh: I think they might have been pretty quiet, kept on kissing for a while as Jack returned the favor (ha!) and then started getting cold and walk back to the car in silence and drive back. They probably didn't talk about it, how could they after this, I don't think they were gonna have rational conversations about this.
This is fun!!!
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Mel
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This is fun!!!
Yep, this is fun! :D
.... but after the whole shipyard deal, there really was no way they could go back to being best friends only. .
Nope, no going back now. They definitely reached a point of no return at the shipyard.
I keep thinking Bobby's reaction will be the most mellow, because he's always felt different than other people and misunderstood.
What a great insight, Mel. That is so true. And what about Bobby and his relationship with "AJ"? From the conversations Bobby had with Jack and Ennis had with Junior they seem to be pretty tight. In fact, they seem to be whole lot closer than both sets of parents realized. I can't help but believe that will be a factor, but I'm not sure how.
Oh yes, how did their night at the shipyard end? I wonder about that too! I was hoping the chapter was gonna start with that, to be honest, but I knew it wasn't going to... We have to fill it in ourselves I guess... No problem! :laugh: I think they might have been pretty quiet, kept on kissing for a while as Jack returned the favor (ha!) and then started getting cold and walk back to the car in silence and drive back. They probably didn't talk about it, how could they after this, I don't think they were gonna have rational conversations about this.
Oh, thanks for that, Mel! No, I knew this chapter wasn't going to pick up again in the shipyard. It felt right for that chapter to end exactly where it did (with the perfect bookend "...Ennis...." Guh.). Being a wonderful writer yourself, you've completeld the scene perfectly. You're right - that was not a time for a rational conversation. But now I'm dying for any kind of conversation between J&E, rational or otherwise (okay, that's a lie ::) - I'm dying for a lot more than a conversation between these two! :laugh:). But since Kumari is such a smart writer I know she'll let this story develop at the proper pace - and that's probably going to be pretty frustrating for everyone involved. No quick or easy solutions here, that's for sure.
Thanks, Mel :-*
Marie
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What a great insight, Mel. That is so true. And what about Bobby and his relationship with "AJ"? From the conversations Bobby had with Jack and Ennis had with Junior they seem to be pretty tight. In fact, they seem to be whole lot closer than both sets of parents realized. I can't help but believe that will be a factor, but I'm not sure how.
Oh, thanks for that, Mel! No, I knew this chapter wasn't going to pick up again in the shipyard. It felt right for that chapter to end exactly where it did (with the perfect bookend "...Ennis...." Guh.). Being a wonderful writer yourself, you've completeld the scene perfectly. You're right - that was not a time for a rational conversation. But now I'm dying for any kind of conversation between J&E, rational or otherwise (okay, that's a lie ::) - I'm dying for a lot more than a conversation between these two! :laugh:). But since Kumari is such a smart writer I know she'll let this story develop at the proper pace - and that's probably going to be pretty frustrating for everyone involved. No quick or easy solutions here, that's for sure.
Thanks, Mel :-*
Marie
Oh yeah, I completely forgot about that! There might be more going on than they know.
The proper pace developing is pretty frustrating because we have to wait two months between updates. :laugh: No way you are gonna be able to turn over the page and continue reading and that's sooooo annoying! Somehow I think the next time they are gonna meet they are not gonna be alone, it's gonna be some family gathering or something and Jack will drag him somewhere to talk, because Ennis is not gonna be the one to initiate talking I think. Or they will go to a game, I don't know, but it's fun speculating, isn't it?
God, I keep thinking of the playful and easy banter between them in the first chapters and how I hope they will still be able to be best friends if they are lovers, because that makes the best relationships, doesn't it?
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. . . . . Somehow I think the next time they are gonna meet they are not gonna be alone, it's gonna be some family gathering or something and Jack will drag him somewhere to talk, because Ennis is not gonna be the one to initiate talking I think. Or they will go to a game, I don't know, but it's fun speculating, isn't it?
Yes, it is fun speculating. You're definitely right about Jack initiating the next conversation - well, at least the next conversation about what's happened between them!
God, I keep thinking of the playful and easy banter between them in the first chapters and how I hope they will still be able to be best friends if they are lovers, because that makes the best relationships, doesn't it?
Oh, absolutely. How I adored listening in on those great conversations between these two - really something special. Now we just need to combine that kind of rapport with great sex and - WOW!!! :o :laugh:
Marie
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Yes, it is fun speculating. You're definitely right about Jack initiating the next conversation - well, at least the next conversation about what's happened between them!
Oh, absolutely. How I adored listening in on those great conversations between these two - really something special. Now we just need to combine that kind of rapport with great sex and - WOW!!! :o :laugh:
Marie
I haven't read anything else by Kumari, but I've heard she is pretty good at the lovemaking scenes! So I think when the time finally comes when they first cross that line (in about half a year, 3 more chapters away.. LOL), then we will probably have to keep the defibrilator very close, whaddayathink?
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:-* Mel
PS. I once heard a quote in a movie about someone who always read the ending of a book because he never knew for sure if he would live to read the ending. Well, it just got me to thinking with this irregular updating... :-\
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I haven't read anything else by Kumari, but I've heard she is pretty good at the lovemaking scenes! So I think when the time finally comes when they first cross that line (in about half a year, 3 more chapters away.. LOL), then we will probably have to keep the defibrilator very close, whaddayathink?
OMG, Mel - you're right. Keeping with the pace of the story that's been set and keeping with the update "schedule" - it will be Christmas!!! :laugh: Oh, well - I'll just think of it as a great Christmas present to look forward to! And if the shipyard scene is any indication, yeah - maybe I should put a defibrilator on my Christmas list ;)
PS. I once heard a quote in a movie about someone who always read the ending of a book because he never knew for sure if he would live to read the ending. Well, it just got me to thinking with this irregular updating... :-\
LOL! I'm glad you pointed this out because this is just the kind of crazy thought that passes through my crazy mind. I don't read endings first - but I am a very fast reader. Of course, as you've pointed out - being a fast reader doesn't help when you don't have the next chapter yet! :-\ :laugh:
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Marie
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OMG, Mel - you're right. Keeping with the pace of the story that's been set and keeping with the update "schedule" - it will be Christmas!!! :laugh: Oh, well - I'll just think of it as a great Christmas present to look forward to! And if the shipyard scene is any indication, yeah - maybe I should put a defibrilator on my Christmas list ;)
LOL! I'm glad you pointed this out because this is just the kind of crazy thought that passes through my crazy mind. I don't read endings first - but I am a very fast reader. Of course, as you've pointed out - being a fast reader doesn't help when you don't have the next chapter yet! :-\ :laugh:
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Marie
You know, that's what I always loved about SOG, Amy updated every week and you could really count on her for that!
Yeah, I know what you mean, I am an extremely fast reader too, I have to slow myself down all the time. I am now reading Bill Bryson's The Life and Times of The Thunderbolt kid and it's so hilarious that I don't want it to end, so I slow myself down and allow myself to read 10 pages a day. Another reason why I only read 10 pages is because I drive my boyfriend crazy when I start to laugh hysterically every once in a while, startling him and giving him a heartattack. Oh God, I can really recommend his writing, it makes you happy and it's great ab exercise!
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You know, that's what I always loved about SOG, Amy updated every week and you could really count on her for that!
Oh yeah, SOG - another awesome fic - would love a sequel to that one! (I know I'm greedy! ;D)
Yeah, I know what you mean, I am an extremely fast reader too, I have to slow myself down all the time. I am now reading Bill Bryson's The Life and Times of The Thunderbolt kid and it's so hilarious that I don't want it to end, so I slow myself down and allow myself to read 10 pages a day. Another reason why I only read 10 pages is because I drive my boyfriend crazy when I start to laugh hysterically every once in a while, startling him and giving him a heartattack. Oh God, I can really recommend his writing, it makes you happy and it's great ab exercise!
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Okay, I would say this is a coincidence - but since there are no coincidences - it's just funny! I picked up Bill Bryson's The Life and Times of Thunderbolt Kid about three weeks ago at the library (the library is my second home). I scarfed it right down. You are so right about laughing hysterically! I enjoyed it so much I passed it on to three more people - they all loved it - and just returned it this week. ;D
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*David peeks back in the door, watching and listening to Melissa and Marie as they discuss the story*
Hmmm. :-\
*David shakes his head in agreement*
Yup. That's interesting. I have no idea what you two are talking about, but it sure is interesting!! ;)
Maybe one of these days I'll start reading the story again. 8)
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Oh yeah, SOG - another awesome fic - would love a sequel to that one! (I know I'm greedy! ;D)
Okay, I would say this is a coincidence - but since there are no coincidences - it's just funny! I picked up Bill Bryson's The Life and Times of Thunderbolt Kid about three weeks ago at the library (the library is my second home). I scarfed it right down. You are so right about laughing hysterically! I enjoyed it so much I passed it on to three more people - they all loved it - and just returned it this week. ;D
Yeah, SOG was quite something, wasn't it? I don't think we'll get a sequel for that one, I don't think Amy will write another BBM fanfic. She is still working on her original novel and the last time she posted something on ennisjack she said that she's not really planning a sequel. To be honest, I would rather see her write a whole new BBM story, AU!AU...
I don't believe in coincidences either! God, how I love everything Bill Bryson! He is one of the funniest men! I was reading The Thunderbolt kid last night and I couldn't stop quoting lines to my boyfriend. He is starting to get fed up with the book but he promised me he would read it once I finished it! Did you read his other books? Neither here nor there is hilarious! ;D
Mel
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*David peeks back in the door, watching and listening to Melissa and Marie as they discuss the story*
Hmmm. :-\
*David shakes his head in agreement*
Yup. That's interesting. I have no idea what you two are talking about, but it sure is interesting!! ;)
Maybe one of these days I'll start reading the story again. 8)
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Hey, we're not talking to you on this thread until you start reading it again!
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*David peeks back in the door, watching and listening to Melissa and Marie as they discuss the story*
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*Marie waves to David*
Ya know, Mel - I think David is secretly reading CY! ;)
. . . To be honest, I would rather see her write a whole new BBM story, AU!AU...
Yeah, anything she writes is great - but if she's working on an original, and I can totally understand why she is - I guess I shouldn't hold my breath.
I don't believe in coincidences either! God, how I love everything Bill Bryson! He is one of the funniest men! I was reading The Thunderbolt kid last night and I couldn't stop quoting lines to my boyfriend. He is starting to get fed up with the book but he promised me he would read it once I finished it! Did you read his other books? Neither here nor there is hilarious! ;D
Yep, I've read several of Bryson's books and have enjoyed them all.
Okay, so it's been about a week since the last chapter of CY. About 53 days or so to go? Not that I'm anxious or anything . . . . ;D
Marie
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*Marie waves to David*
Ya know, Mel - I think David is secretly reading CY! ;)
Yep, I've read several of Bryson's books and have enjoyed them all.
Okay, so it's been about a week since the last chapter of CY. About 53 days or so to go? Not that I'm anxious or anything . . . . ;D
Marie
I think he is, orrrrrr we just have to accept that some of us are not gripped by CY! If we have to urge him to read the rest, then that's probably not a good sign. ;D
53 more days to go? OMG - That would be the end of the Summer... :-\ Oh well, enough equally good stories around to read (Dead Petals, Flea, I hope Sienna is getting her BFF muse back soon, In Plain Sight, to name a few...).
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OMG, MEL!!!! Look what I just found - hot off the presses! Chapter 8:
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/15342.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/15342.html)
Aargh.....I'll have to wait until later to read...
Marie
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OMG, MEL!!!! Look what I just found - hot off the presses! Chapter 8:
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/15342.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/15342.html)
Aargh.....I'll have to wait until later to read...
Marie
LOL! You beat me to it, Marie! I am gonna try and print it out now... and read it, I won't post anything about it until tomorrow, OK?
Hugs, Mel
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*Faints*
Really, I can't write anything coherent at the moment... :P Will try later... have you read it yet, Marie?
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OK, I am ready to formulate a coherent comment now... :P
1. I thought the conversation between Bobby and Junior was spot-on and the whole teenage banter was exquisite.
2. So, I think I was right about Bobby, he didn't freak out about the pic he found on his dad's computer.
3. I thought it was so cute when Jack said "You're a good kisser". He really is very impressed with E's skills in this department, isn't he? I love that!
4. Adored the part where E smelled Jack before kissing and asked if he had shaved and J said no, then yes and then I can't talk about it. God, how adorable can he get? Not wanting to admit he wanted to look good for him.
5. The little hint that E has looked at J other than 'just' his best friend: what he thought about J's hair.
6. The awkwardness: God how real! The Febreze! LOL!
7. Everything Jack said, he really has it bad, doesn't he? But so does Ennis, as he realises that this can only go forward now.
I will write more later....
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LOL! Have I read it? You bet. I read it. And I re-read it. And I re-read it. And I re-read it. Holy 'effin Moly.
Ditto on all seven points. I adore Bobby. He's a combination of CY Jack and CY Lureen. He has Jack's razor sharp wit and vulnerability combined with Lureen's cynicism. Interesting that Alma and Ennis waited until after Junior was born before getting married - didn't look like they had kept it a secret from her. I'm not surprised that Alma was pregnant before they got married, but I'm a little surprised that they waited until after Junior was born to actually go through with a ceremony. Wonder what the story is there.
Felt a pang for Alma at the beginning when she is reflexively giving Ennis a little massage ...
And I also felt a pang for Bobby when he asked Jack about going fishing - I hope Jack doesn't disappoint him. Will he go "fishing" with Ennis instead? Another pang for Bobby seeing how bad he's got it for Junior.
No, Bobby didn't freak out about the picture, which makes sense - but he is very concerned about the possibility of his parents spllitting up ..... and if Junior thinks that looking at porn constitutes "cheating" - well, holy shit if she knew the truth. Also interesting that Bobby was defensive of Jack to Lureen...
The awkwardness was perfect and adorable and, in its own way, very hawt. And, yeah, Ennis is admitting to himself that he's been looking at Jack as more than his best friend for a while now...
I'll never look at Listerine, Febreze, Jiffy cornbread mix or Country Time lemonade in the same way ....
God, yes, they both have it so bad. Jesus, what an ending.... Double Guh.
Gotta run - I'll be back later, too!
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LOL! Have I read it? You bet. I read it. And I re-read it. And I re-read it. And I re-read it. Holy 'effin Moly.
I'll never look at Listerine, Febreze, Jiffy cornbread mix or Country Time lemonade in the same way ....
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You know what I think? I think they Jack and Bobby will go on the fishing trip with Ennis. Doesn't Jack always go on fishing trips with Ennis? Jack had already told Ennis that Bobby wanted to go with them! That will be interesting!
I love how Jack voices everything in words and Ennis in actions. Like when Jack says that he is confused about everything and Ennis just buries his face in Jack's neck to devour him (*guh*)
So, do you mean that they got married because Alma was pregnant, that that was the main reason? :-\
Yeah holy shit if she knew the truth! LOL! I can't imagine how she is gonna write that, because I can't even imagine this kind of betrayal. But it is inevitable, isn't it, Ennis realised that.
I loved how he was able to admit to himself that he had looked at Jack's hair because he was lying under him now! Hahaha! I adored that! When he said that thing about Jack's hair, he kind of admitted to Jack that he had been thinking about him like that and that's why Jack said "What if we've always been like this?" God, I thought that was beautiful!
I'll never look at Listerine, Febreze, Jiffy cornbread mix or Country Time lemonade in the same way ....
Hahaha, well, we only have the first two on the market here in Holland, but that's enough to have a fit in the supermarket!
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You know what I think? I think they Jack and Bobby will go on the fishing trip with Ennis. Doesn't Jack always go on fishing trips with Ennis? Jack had already told Ennis that Bobby wanted to go with them! That will be interesting!
I hope that's the way it goes. I'd like to see Bobby go along with them - I think he is in desperate need of some sincere attention from his dad. I think he's craving it, as a matter of fact. It would bother me if Jack, in a fit of lust, makes some excuse so that he and Ennis can go alone. But, I totally suck at predictions. I didn't see this chapter coming at all - I thought we were going to go through a lot more hemming and hawing on Ennis's part (and who knows, that might kick in later? :-\)
I love how Jack voices everything in words and Ennis in actions. Like when Jack says that he is confused about everything and Ennis just buries his face in Jack's neck to devour him (*guh*)
Yeah, Jack's a talker, that's for sure. But Ennis does manage to get his point across. ;) I could listen to CY Jack talk all day. One of my favorite AU/AU Jacks. Cracks me up how he's always calling Ennis while he's in the middle of a conversation with someone else, or yelling at a driver on the road. :laugh:
So, do you mean that they got married because Alma was pregnant, that that was the main reason? :-\
Sorry, Mel - my thoughts on that were very poorly worded (and I'm a native English speaker :laugh:) Here's the part of Junior and Bobby's conversation:
"Oh my God! Did I tell you?! I finally found out why Chiquita Banana is one of my 50 nicknames. Bananas, it was my favorite baby food flavor so your Dad started calling me that.”
“How could that have happened? It doesn’t work out that you’re almost 16.”
“I was already born when my parents got married. You didn’t know that?”
“No! I didn’t, that’s...whoa. Not expected. Check out Playa Ennis, laying pipe...”
Bobby cracks me up! But.... I'm wondering why Alma and Ennis waited so long to get married. It's not unusual for a woman to get pregnant and then the couple gets married. But why did they wait until after Junior was born to get married? I'm wondering if there is a story there. Remember that chapter when Ennis is buying Alma some pajamas for her birthday? A line stuck in my head. After he buys them, he tells Jack that he usually ends up with the first thing he sees. I'm not saying he doesn't love Alma, but was she the "first thing he saw"?
Yeah holy shit if she knew the truth! LOL! I can't imagine how she is gonna write that, because I can't even imagine this kind of betrayal. But it is inevitable, isn't it, Ennis realised that.
Yes, and this is the most intriguing aspect of this fic. The long-time friendship, the dynamics between the families, and this inevitable betrayal. You could tell that Junior likes the fact that Jack has 50 nicknames for her - he's made her feel special.
I loved how he was able to admit to himself that he had looked at Jack's hair because he was lying under him now! Hahaha! I adored that! When he said that thing about Jack's hair, he kind of admitted to Jack that he had been thinking about him like that and that's why Jack said "What if we've always been like this?" God, I thought that was beautiful!
Yeah, and then he added "..and what if that’s the truth?” And we know that it is the truth.
Not to mention the discussion about Jack's parents and upbringing vs. Ennis's parents and upbringing. Interesting stuff. And, omg, when Jack started talking about Slater. Not only hilarious - but so many layers in that conversation!
Yeah, shopping will be fun this week! Gotta run again!
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I hope that's the way it goes. I'd like to see Bobby go along with them - I think he is in desperate need of some sincere attention from his dad. I think he's craving it, as a matter of fact. It would bother me if Jack, in a fit of lust, makes some excuse so that he and Ennis can go alone. But, I totally suck at predictions. I didn't see this chapter coming at all - I thought we were going to go through a lot more hemming and hawing on Ennis's part (and who knows, that might kick in later? :-\)
Oh I don't think Jack will go alone with Ennis, I bet they will take him with them, but maybe at this fishing trip Bobby will find out about them, or at least get a hint? And don't forget the away game and the house Jack is building! Weren't they like teenagers waiting for their parents to go out? LOL!
You know, that's what I love about this fic! I love that, at least up to this point, there is no angst about what is going on between them, they are exploring, finding things out, testing the water, trying to find out what the other likes, how deep their attraction is, ways to make each other crazy. Ennis is angsty about a three-way betrayal, he is betraying Alma with Jack and has betrayed Alma with Abbey, but he has also betrayed Jack with Abbey, even though he now obviously has no interest whatsoever of going back to her. Which betrayal does he feel most guilty about?
Yeah, Jack's a talker, that's for sure. But Ennis does manage to get his point across. ;) I could listen to CY Jack talk all day. One of my favorite AU/AU Jacks. Cracks me up how he's always calling Ennis while he's in the middle of a conversation with someone else, or yelling at a driver on the road. :laugh:
I know! I love the banter, he is so friggin' adorable and it's so great to read how they go from talking like they have always done to practically devouring each other and back to the talking and then on to the floor of the basement! Hahaha!
Bobby cracks me up! But.... I'm wondering why Alma and Ennis waited so long to get married. It's not unusual for a woman to get pregnant and then the couple gets married. But why did they wait until after Junior was born to get married? I'm wondering if there is a story there. Remember that chapter when Ennis is buying Alma some pajamas for her birthday? A line stuck in my head. After he buys them, he tells Jack that he usually ends up with the first thing he sees. I'm not saying he doesn't love Alma, but was she the "first thing he saw"?
Interesting!!! Yes, you may be right and I do think Ennis works that way, mmmm.... I think he never really thought it through maybe and that he thought that this was the right thing to do, just like canon Ennis.
Yes, and this is the most intriguing aspect of this fic. The long-time friendship, the dynamics between the families, and this inevitable betrayal. You could tell that Junior likes the fact that Jack has 50 nicknames for her - he's made her feel special.
Yes, and also, Jack has all those beer nicknames for Alma! I loved that they spoke about that while eating chili (Beans!!! Hahaha and Homer Simpson!!!)...
Yeah, and then he added "..and what if that’s the truth?” And we know that it is the truth.
Exactly, I think we will find out more about it, more than just the scene with the lap dancing stripper in chapter 3.
Not to mention the discussion about Jack's parents and upbringing vs. Ennis's parents and upbringing. Interesting stuff. And, omg, when Jack started talking about Slater. Not only hilarious - but so many layers in that conversation!
Yeah, I am not sure about this, does this have to do with the fact that Jack is so much better off than Ennis (oh I now remember that Ennis's kiss was like a gilded ballroom, I just loooooove that Jack is so obsessed with Ennis's kisses, I can so understand that!)? I bet this will become very important. Can't see how yet, though....
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I'm baaaack. Damn, if only I didn't have to work for a living! LOL!
Good point about Bobby getting a hint. He is one smart cookie, and if he is alone with those two I can't see how he wouldn't pick up their vibes. I can feel them from here! And, yeah, I keep forgetting about that away game. And when will that house come back into play?
Ennis's multi-betrayal - I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the repercussions from this! I'm not sure I would call Ennis's tryst with Abbey a betrayal of Jack - but you're absolutely right that Ennis thinks of it that way. Otherwise, he would have told Jack about it - and he can't. But it's always what people don't say that come back to bite them the hardest. At this very moment, Ennis isn't thinking about guilt - but he will be. I think that's inevitable too.
.. . and it's so great to read how they go from talking like they have always done to practically devouring each other and back to the talking and then on to the floor of the basement! Hahaha!
I'm glad you brought this up - it's one off the first things that hit me. Now, ordinarily the transition from awkward sex to normal guy talk and back to awkward sex (and a few awkward attempts at sweet talk) might seem weird or contrived. But it doesn't - it feels very natural. It must be because of the ironclad bond they've developed over the years. These guys aren't just best friends - they are everything to each other. And nothing trumps that - they can't stop being "best friends" and talking like they always have. it's ingrained in them.
I'm not sure how their economic differences are going to enter into this, but we're starting to hear more about Jack's parents, and even though Jack doesn't seem to think much of them, they're obviously still around and I'm wondering if we'll meet them....
You're right - Jack does seem to be fixated on Ennis's kisses! And Ennis seems to be fixated on Jack's hair. LOL! Which shows us that there is romance here - not just sex.
Later! :-*
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I'm baaaack. Damn, if only I didn't have to work for a living! LOL!
LOL, I know, you really were in the wrong time zone when this chapter was posted, weren't you? It was 9 o clock for me at night, so I was lucky!
Good point about Bobby getting a hint. He is one smart cookie, and if he is alone with those two I can't see how he wouldn't pick up their vibes. I can feel them from here! And, yeah, I keep forgetting about that away game. And when will that house come back into play?
Yeah I really like Bobby, I think he will play a major part in Jack and Ennis being found out. I mean, he is used to them acting in a certain way around each other and I bet that he will pick up on the huge change between them, because it is huge and Bobby is a sensitive kid, he will def. notice something is off and he might catch them arguing or something or even in more than a friendly hug. I don't know, don't want to speculate TOO much, hahaha!
Ennis's multi-betrayal - I'm sure we haven't seen the last of the repercussions from this! I'm not sure I would call Ennis's tryst with Abbey a betrayal of Jack - but you're absolutely right that Ennis thinks of it that way. Otherwise, he would have told Jack about it - and he can't. But it's always what people don't say that come back to bite them the hardest. At this very moment, Ennis isn't thinking about guilt - but he will be. I think that's inevitable too.
I bet it will hurt Jack more if he finds out about this from somebody else. At least, if Ennis had told him, he could have explained to him that he was confused and that it meant nothing, but this is gonna tear Jack apart, and he might do something foolish, like tell Alma. Again, just speculating... LOL!
I'm glad you brought this up - it's one off the first things that hit me. Now, ordinarily the transition from awkward sex to normal guy talk and back to awkward sex (and a few awkward attempts at sweet talk) might seem weird or contrived. But it doesn't - it feels very natural. It must be because of the ironclad bond they've developed over the years. These guys aren't just best friends - they are everything to each other. And nothing trumps that - they can't stop being "best friends" and talking like they always have. it's ingrained in them.
Yeah, it's def. ingrained in them, and that's what makes their bond so special. I am dying to read about all the other hints that they were interested in each other as more than just friends. We had the hint with the stripper and Ennis loving Jack's hair, there must be more!
I'm not sure how their economic differences are going to enter into this, but we're starting to hear more about Jack's parents, and even though Jack doesn't seem to think much of them, they're obviously still around and I'm wondering if we'll meet them....
Good point, I bet we will meet them, and I bet they will be very different from canon Jack's parents.
You're right - Jack does seem to be fixated on Ennis's kisses! And Ennis seems to be fixated on Jack's hair. LOL! Which shows us that there is romance here - not just sex.
And I love how Ennis said "I didn't even do that this time", not "we didn't even do that this time"! :laugh:
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I bet it will hurt Jack more if he finds out about this from somebody else. ....
Yep, and my money is on Abbey's brother, Jude, to spill the beans... >:( Because, as you've pointed out, this chapter was relatively angst-free (except for when Alma was massaging Ennis who was feeling "guilty as shit"), I'm afraid the next one may be angst-heavy. Not having any idea how many chapters there are going to be, it's hard to judge the pacing of events - but I think that adds to the intrigue of this story.
Good point, I bet we will meet them, and I bet they will be very different from canon Jack's parents.
Don't know about his dad, but his mom already sounds very different from OS Mrs. Twist. You can tell that he flat out doesn't like his dad and he seemed scornful of "Brenda Twist" and her pretensions.
Do you have any thoughts on where the next chapter might start? I don't think it will be a direct continuation from this one, but other than that I don't have a clue. :-\
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Yep, and my money is on Abbey's brother, Jude, to spill the beans... >:( Because, as you've pointed out, this chapter was relatively angst-free (except for when Alma was massaging Ennis who was feeling "guilty as shit"), I'm afraid the next one may be angst-heavy. Not having any idea how many chapters there are going to be, it's hard to judge the pacing of events - but I think that adds to the intrigue of this story.
Oh God, Marie, I cannot bear the thought of Jack being hurt like this. I would not be able to write such a scene, I would try to protect Jack from everything and the whole story would get screwed, hahahaha! I feel very protective over Jack. This Jack is so deeply in love, and it's gonna hurt like hell when he finds out.
Do you have any thoughts on where the next chapter might start? I don't think it will be a direct continuation from this one, but other than that I don't have a clue. :-\
You never know with Kumari! :laugh: I sure wish she would tell us in detail what happened in that room. Hahaha! I think there will be a scene where they are together with both their families. Then there might be the fishing trip. I sure hope that the revelation isn't anywhere in sight and there might not even be a revelation, Jack might never find out about Abbey... you never know...
What do you think?
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Oh God, Marie, I cannot bear the thought of Jack being hurt like this. I would not be able to write such a scene, I would try to protect Jack from everything and the whole story would get screwed, hahahaha! I feel very protective over Jack. This Jack is so deeply in love, and it's gonna hurt like hell when he finds out.
I know. I cringe just thinking about it. If it happens like that, I'll have to skim through really fast, with one eye closed, and then go into denial until they make-up. LOL! But it was Jude that told Jack that Abbey slipped Ennis her phone number. Can we hope that Abbey keeps her mouth shut about it? Sigh. The fact that Ennis can't bring himself to tell Jack looks like foreshadowing to me. But, I might be totally off base on all of this. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings onto the situation. Maybe Jack will be more understanding than I'm giving him credit for. He knows Ennis really well, after all. Maybe he'll be more hurt that Ennis didn't confide in him than by what he did with Abbey? I don't know what to think. I can see it going any number of ways. And you're right - there is the possibility that Jack won't find out or that Ennis will end up telling him himself. Now, that would be a surprise!
You never know with Kumari! :laugh: I sure wish she would tell us in detail what happened in that room. Hahaha! I think there will be a scene where they are together with both their families. Then there might be the fishing trip.
What do you think?
I guess the only thing we can be sure of is that we can't be sure! She might surprise us and pick up exactly where she left off! And, oh yeah, I want detail - to use baseball lingo, play-by-play color commentary! :laugh:
I know it's only been one day, but what's your best guess for next chapter ETA?
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I know. I cringe just thinking about it. If it happens like that, I'll have to skim through really fast, with one eye closed, and then go into denial until they make-up. LOL! But it was Jude that told Jack that Abbey slipped Ennis her phone number. Can we hope that Abbey keeps her mouth shut about it? Sigh. The fact that Ennis can't bring himself to tell Jack looks like foreshadowing to me. But, I might be totally off base on all of this. Maybe I'm projecting my own feelings onto the situation. Maybe Jack will be more understanding than I'm giving him credit for. He knows Ennis really well, after all. Maybe he'll be more hurt that Ennis didn't confide in him than by what he did with Abbey? I don't know what to think. I can see it going any number of ways. And you're right - there is the possibility that Jack won't find out or that Ennis will end up telling him himself. Now, that would be a surprise!
Yes, I remember though that when Jack found out that Ennis had Abbey's number, he wasn't so much upset about the fact that he had her number, but more about that he didn't tell Jack about it. I hope Ennis will be able to explain it to him without fucking everything up between them, he's not very vocal about his feelings, but he might have to beg and tell him how much he loves him as a friend and a lover now....
I guess the only thing we can be sure of is that we can't be sure! She might surprise us and pick up exactly where she left off! And, oh yeah, I want detail - to use baseball lingo, play-by-play color commentary! :laugh:
Hahaha! I definitely wouldn't mind reading about everything that happened after us poor readers were robbed of that nice view we had! LOL!
I know it's only been one day, but what's your best guess for next chapter ETA?
Oh tonight I hope! Hahaha! It was early this time. I love that about this fic, there's no other fic that makes me jump up like this when it's being updated, and I think that's because of the element of surprise. Kumari hardly answers the comments on her lj, and she doesn't talk about when she updates, so it's always a surprise when she does.
Did you read that piece of original fiction she posted? I did, it's very well-written and intriguing, but I wasn't sure if it was just a teaser or a whole story, because it ended pretty abruptly!
Oh you know what I was thinking? You know how I thought Jack was a bit selfish sometimes? I had that feeling in this chapter again. When his father calls him and Jack "shoots his ass to voicemail" ( :laugh:), he is not very understanding about Ennis just having lost his father-in-law, 'cause I think that's what Ennis hints at when he says "what's the matter with you?". What do you think?
OK back to writing Ennis and Jack on their first date after having had sex on a 747! ;D
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Oh another thing I was wondering about... what do you think Jack meant by "I would have done anything to get you over here tonight. Anything.”
I wonder about the emphasis he puts on "Anything.”
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Did you read that piece of original fiction she posted? I did, it's very well-written and intriguing, but I wasn't sure if it was just a teaser or a whole story, because it ended pretty abruptly!
No, I haven't read it, Mel, but thanks for the heads-up. I'm open to all kinds of writing so I'll definitely check it out.
I agree about the element of surprise that surrounds everything about this fic - where it's going, how she'll handle the betrayal angle, how it will end, and even how long it will be and when it will update - it all adds to the build-up and the intensity.
Oh you know what I was thinking? You know how I thought Jack was a bit selfish sometimes? I had that feeling in this chapter again. When his father calls him and Jack "shoots his ass to voicemail" ( :laugh:), he is not very understanding about Ennis just having lost his father-in-law, 'cause I think that's what Ennis hints at when he says "what's the matter with you?". What do you think?
Yeah, I noticed that. I don't know if he's being selfish or just thoughtless(which I guess can be selfish). I think they've had this discussion before, and, you're right, Ennis is more sensitive to it right now because of Hank's recent death. It looks like it also has a lot to do with Ennis losing his own dad at an early age:
Ennis sat up. “What’s the matter with you?”
“Nothing, you know how I feel about him, so why are we even talking about this?”
“You only get one, that’s all I’m sayin,” Ennis murmured.
“One what?”
“One father.”
“Who in the fuck would want two of him?”
“But that’s all you get.”
And even when Jack points out that Ennis's dad was a bastard, Ennis is still defensive of him, rationalizing that his dad had to teach his boys to be "a certain way" or else they'd get into trouble. Which is a very Ennis way of thinking. Now I'm wondering, what exactly is the deal with Jack's dad. Did he beat Jack and is that the reason for his hatred or is there another story? I'm guessing we'll hear more.
Oh another thing I was wondering about... what do you think Jack meant by "I would have done anything to get you over here tonight. Anything.”
I wonder about the emphasis he puts on "Anything.”
Oh, God, didn't that kill you? I interpreted the emphasis on the second "Anything" as just that - an emphasis on how completely desperate he is because right before that he says:
“It’s like...my head is exploding. What if we’ve always been like this, what if that’s the truth?” Jack whispered. “I can’t work; I can’t sleep, just thinking of you. It’s so bad;......
Which may also be telling us that these guys may become pretty reckless because I think Ennis is feeling just as desperate as Jack, and when you're desperate and willing to do "anything" you don't always think rationally.
OK back to writing Ennis and Jack on their first date after having had sex on a 747! ;D
Date? I like the sound of that! ;D
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No, I haven't read it, Mel, but thanks for the heads-up. I'm open to all kinds of writing so I'll definitely check it out.
She has just posted the 4th installment of this story.... It's on her lj.
I agree about the element of surprise that surrounds everything about this fic - where it's going, how she'll handle the betrayal angle, how it will end, and even how long it will be and when it will update - it all adds to the build-up and the intensity.
You know there is a chance that she doesn't know where this is going to end either. I write like that most of the time, I make some sort of outline and then when I start writing the chapter, I find out what the characters want exactly, and sometimes it's different from what I had in mind for them. So Kumari might write like that too and she might know where the story is heading, but doesn't yet know the path the characters are going to take. It's interesting though, I would love to hear more about how she writes.
Yeah, I noticed that. I don't know if he's being selfish or just thoughtless(which I guess can be selfish). I think they've had this discussion before, and, you're right, Ennis is more sensitive to it right now because of Hank's recent death. It looks like it also has a lot to do with Ennis losing his own dad at an early age:
Aaaah yes, it's more thoughtless than selfish, you are right. Yes, I think there will be a lot more to the whole parents story.
Oh, God, didn't that kill you? I interpreted the emphasis on the second "Anything" as just that - an emphasis on how completely desperate he is because right before that he says:
“It’s like...my head is exploding. What if we’ve always been like this, what if that’s the truth?” Jack whispered. “I can’t work; I can’t sleep, just thinking of you. It’s so bad;......
Which may also be telling us that these guys may become pretty reckless because I think Ennis is feeling just as desperate as Jack, and when you're desperate and willing to do "anything" you don't always think rationally.
Reckless, definitely, I think they are gonna get caught up in each other even more. Well, that's what 15 years of denial does to you, right? If it suddenly comes out, it doesn't go back in, that's for sure.
Hey you know what I thought? There's no way Ennis can go home after well, you know, coming in his pants three times, right? LOL! So, next chapter will start with a shower scene! There! What do you think? Let's send in a request!
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You know there is a chance that she doesn't know where this is going to end either. I write like that most of the time, I make some sort of outline and then when I start writing the chapter, I find out what the characters want exactly, and sometimes it's different from what I had in mind for them. So Kumari might write like that too and she might know where the story is heading, but doesn't yet know the path the characters are going to take. It's interesting though, I would love to hear more about how she writes.
Oh, I like how you put that - knowing where the story is headed, but not the path. And with a story like CY, so many of the paths are minefields!
Aaaah yes, it's more thoughtless than selfish, you are right. Yes, I think there will be a lot more to the whole parents story.
Considering they've been best friends for 15 years, I'm guessing Ennis has met Jack's parents. Now I'm wondering what he thinks of them and what they think of him.
Reckless, definitely, I think they are gonna get caught up in each other even more. Well, that's what 15 years of denial does to you, right? If it suddenly comes out, it doesn't go back in, that's for sure.
No turning back now- they have definitely crossed the point of no return. Those first stages of intense romantic love and lust are so intense - it's hard not to be reckless - and even more so with these two because, as you've pointed out, there are years of bottled up feelings on top of all that. Whew!
Hey you know what I thought? There's no way Ennis can go home after well, you know, coming in his pants three times, right? LOL! So, next chapter will start with a shower scene! There! What do you think? Let's send in a request!
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mel, that's hilarious.
OMG, CYJack + CYEnnis + Shower = Marie's head exploding! :o
Hope you're writing! :-*
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Considering they've been best friends for 15 years, I'm guessing Ennis has met Jack's parents. Now I'm wondering what he thinks of them and what they think of him.
Oh yeah, they might consider themselves upper class and Ennis and his family not worthy?
No turning back now- they have definitely crossed the point of no return. Those first stages of intense romantic love and lust are so intense - it's hard not to be reckless - and even more so with these two because, as you've pointed out, there are years of bottled up feelings on top of all that. Whew!
Yeah, I wonder where she is gonna take that. CYJack+CYEnnis+Bottled up feelings= *PHEW*
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: Mel, that's hilarious.
OMG, CYJack + CYEnnis + Shower = Marie's head exploding! :o
Nice equation! LOL! Mine is exploding too, wish I could write it!
Hope you're writing! :-*
Oh yes, I am!!!! I am not gonna be able to post this Friday though, this chapter needs to be just right, so I will work on it on my Holiday, and I might even post two chapters of Altitude when I come back. I am posting the first chapter of Liberation tomorrow!
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Oh I have to ask you something else, I will send you a PM.
Mel :)
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Oh yeah, they might consider themselves upper class and Ennis and his family not worthy?
I haven't thought that far ahead yet, but, from what Jack said about his mother, that's a possibility. I think "consider themselves" is the right phrase. From what Jack said, his mother is a bit pretentious.
The "equations" for CYJack and CYEnnis are endless, arent' they? LOL! I hope we get at least one equation in the next chapter! ;D
I'm looking forward to the first chapter of "Liberation"! It's nice that you've got two more fics started, especially since RWYA is coming to a (perfect) end. ;)
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The "equations" for CYJack and CYEnnis are endless, arent' they? LOL! I hope we get at least one equation in the next chapter! ;D
CYEnnis+CYJack+shower= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+tent= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+fishing trip= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+away game= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+anywhere alone= :o
I'm looking forward to the first chapter of "Liberation"! It's nice that you've got two more fics started, especially since RWYA is coming to a (perfect) end. ;)
Yeah, I am planning to update Liberation one week and the week after, Altitude, so that I post a new chapter every week!
I read a great comment on Kumari's lj, somebody said that Jack will be more upset that Ennis didn't tell him about Abbey because that would mean that they lost some part of the close friendship that they used to have and that makes Jack realise that they might not be able to have both: be best friends AND lovers.
What do you think?
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CYEnnis+CYJack+shower= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+tent= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+fishing trip= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+away game= :o
CYEnnis+CYJack+anywhere alone= :o
Never liked math this much before. ;D
I read a great comment on Kumari's lj, somebody said that Jack will be more upset that Ennis didn't tell him about Abbey because that would mean that they lost some part of the close friendship that they used to have and that makes Jack realise that they might not be able to have both: be best friends AND lovers.
What do you think?
Yeah, it's what Jack fears immediately after that first kiss in Chapter 5:
He walked towards the couch with his back to Ennis, telling himself that he would show some restraint for once in his life. He wouldn’t fuck up what was pure, his only true thing.
Things will be different, that's for sure - how could they not be? They have entered uncharted territory. But the way they transitioned between awkward sex and regular talk shows me that they have an ingrained comfort level with each other that they don't have with anyone else. And I think (I hope?) that this is what will see them through what will undoubtedly be some very rocky times ahead. It's also the core of the story and what makes this premise so fascinating to me.
(Yay for Liberation!) :)
Marie
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Never liked math this much before. ;D
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
Do we already have a picture of Ennis and one of Jack of how we picture them? We need one on this thread...
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How about this:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z196/mariez65/JakeandHeath.jpg)
These two look like best buds, don't they? The Orioles just won a big game!
(But that wine glass should be a beer can.)
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How about this:
(http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z196/mariez65/JakeandHeath.jpg)
These two look like best buds, don't they? The Orioles just won a big game!
(But that wine glass should be a beer can.)
And Jake/Jack should be holding a bottle of Listerine!
:laugh: O0
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And Jake/Jack should be holding a bottle of Listerine!
:laugh: O0
Hee! Hee! Good one, Mel :laugh:
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Now, you know what would be great, if I come back from my holiday next week and I find out I have missed the next chapter of CY! ;D
God, this story is so good, I think I might start rereading it from the beginning this week!
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Mel
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Chapter 9 is up!!!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/16708.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/16708.html)
Marie
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Chapter 9 is up!!!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/16708.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/16708.html)
Marie
Wow, those last lines... I was really shocked when Jack hit Bobby with the belt. I didn't see that coming at all, and it made me mad as hell. I hope this is the last time he does that and that they are going to be each other's rock. But things were going so well for Bobby in the shed with Junior, right, what do you think happened? Oh God, I feel so sorry for the Twist boys.
I honestly thought that Jack was gonna spill the beans on him and Ennis during the fight with Lureen, especially when she mentioned the 'gang of whores'. I think it's telling that he never told her about it. Had he already imagined divorcing her and moving there? Was he already envisioning something with Ennis?
The whole Lysol/Febreze conversation was adorable. How cute is Jack, being shy and all, looking down at his shoes... He really is deeply in love, but deeply troubled at the same time. I loved how he asked when they could see each other again, I could almost see that hopeful gaze of his. You know, Ennis keeps amazing me, in this chapter with the Febreze joke, not shying away from what is going on between them and what they have already shared.
While Jack and Lureen's marriage is volatile and on the verge of crumbling, that of Ennis and Alma seems alright. They don't argue that much, just seem to be stuck in a rut, despite the trip they took to Ocean City. LOL. However, no way that marriage is gonna make it now that Ennis and Jack have discovered each other in more ways than they could have possibly imagined. Well, ok, there are more ways still to discover, and hopefully we will find out all we can about that in the next chapter...
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Wow, those last lines... I was really shocked when Jack hit Bobby with the belt. I didn't see that coming at all, and it made me mad as hell. I hope this is the last time he does that and that they are going to be each other's rock. But things were going so well for Bobby in the shed with Junior, right, what do you think happened? Oh God, I feel so sorry for the Twist boys.
Yeah, as I said in my comment, that last scene with Bobby and Jack was gut-wrenching and heartbreaking (but, I saw a glimmer of hope there for the two of them). I didn't expect Jack to take off his belt,yeah that surprised me - but I do understand what Kumari is showing us. Was Jack angry? Well, yeah...but I don't think that's the reason for the belt. Jack is scared to death for Bobby and for himself - and he just doesn't know where to go with that. And I do get the feeling that he was, unfortunately, repeating some really bad parenting that was given to him as a child. I do hope his violence and Bobby's reaction was a wake-up call - it seemed like it could be. Of all the characters in this story, I feel sorriest for Bobby - he's so damn young and trying so hard not to be.
As far as how things were going with Junior in the shed - I think Bobby had already been drinking when they went into the shed, and he had more to drink to give himself courage at her challenge that he was "too young." I do wonder how they left each other.....will Ennis find Junior passed out and throwing up, too?
I find the Bobby/Jack, Ennis/Junior, Jack/Ennis, Bobby/Junior parallels fascinating, and brilliantly done:
Junior took Bobby’s hand and kissed it. “You’re all wrong for me,” she whispered.
.....“Yeah, I’m wrong for the fake Perfection Junior, but not for the real you.”
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I honestly thought that Jack was gonna spill the beans on him and Ennis during the fight with Lureen, especially when she mentioned the 'gang of whores'. I think it's telling that he never told her about it. Had he already imagined divorcing her and moving there? Was he already envisioning something with Ennis?
Hmmm.. ya know, no, I didn't get the feeling Jack wanted to spill the beans about Ennis. I have more of the feeling that what's happening between he and Ennis is so special, so new, and so tentative, that he doesn't have the desire to share it yet - even in a fit of anger at Lureen. Hard to explain, but I have the feeling he doesn't think she's "worthy" of hearing about it - like it's the only "real" part of him and he doesn't want her to know - she doesn't deserve to know, because he feels so disrespected by her in their marriage. Does that make any sense?
The whole Lysol/Febreze conversation was adorable. How cute is Jack, being shy and all, looking down at his shoes... He really is deeply in love, but deeply troubled at the same time. I loved how he asked when they could see each other again, I could almost see that hopeful gaze of his. You know, Ennis keeps amazing me, in this chapter with the Febreze joke, not shying away from what is going on between them and what they have already shared.
Yep, adorable is the word, and, yeah, I do love the sort of role reversal, with Jack being shy and Ennis cracking the joke....I have the feeling we haven't seen the last of these role reversals, so to speak.....
While Jack and Lureen's marriage is volatile and on the verge of crumbling, that of Ennis and Alma seems alright. They don't argue that much, just seem to be stuck in a rut, despite the trip they took to Ocean City. LOL. However, no way that marriage is gonna make it now that Ennis and Jack have discovered each other in more ways than they could have possibly imagined. Well, ok, there are more ways still to discover, and hopefully we will find out all we can about that in the next chapter...
Yeah, I think rut is probably a good description, not unusual for a lot of marriages after a number of years. But, unlike Jack and Lureen, Alma and Ennis have no animosity for each other; in fact, just the opposite - you can see that they respect each other and do love each other in their own way. I like this Alma a lot - she's funny and sincere and I think she's going to be a lot tougher than she may appear to be.
I've said it before - the shit is going to hit the fan in this story on so many levels, in so many ways, and with such intensity ....damn. And, yeah, I don't have any idea what will happen in the next chapter, there are just too many possibilities!
Was it about a month between chapters? Not too bad, at all!
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Marie
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Yeah, as I said in my comment, that last scene with Bobby and Jack was gut-wrenching and heartbreaking (but, I saw a glimmer of hope there for the two of them). I didn't expect Jack to take off his belt,yeah that surprised me - but I do understand what Kumari is showing us. Was Jack angry? Well, yeah...but I don't think that's the reason for the belt. Jack is scared to death for Bobby and for himself - and he just doesn't know where to go with that. And I do get the feeling that he was, unfortunately, repeating some really bad parenting that was given to him as a child. I do hope his violence and Bobby's reaction was a wake-up call - it seemed like it could be. Of all the characters in this story, I feel sorriest for Bobby - he's so damn young and trying so hard not to be.
Yeah, it surprised the hell out of me, because I didn't think of Jack as being the kind of person to do that, because he hates his dad so much and would despise himself if he turned out just like him. Do you think it's the first time he hit him? You know what I think is gonna happen in the next chapter? The fishing trip! It makes sense, doesn't it. Jack has promised it and he'll probably bring Ennis because Bobby knows they always go together. Or is it just wishful thinking from my part that they go on the fishing trip, the three of them? It could make for some really interesting confrontations between them three.
As far as how things were going with Junior in the shed - I think Bobby had already been drinking when they went into the shed, and he had more to drink to give himself courage at her challenge that he was "too young." I do wonder how they left each other.....will Ennis find Junior passed out and throwing up, too?
I find the Bobby/Jack, Ennis/Junior, Jack/Ennis, Bobby/Junior parallels fascinating, and brilliantly done:
Junior took Bobby’s hand and kissed it. “You’re all wrong for me,” she whispered.
.....“Yeah, I’m wrong for the fake Perfection Junior, but not for the real you.”
Oh God, I loved that dialogue. Jack and Ennis could have said that to each other! I hope we're not gonna plunge straight into the angst in the next chapter, I want some happy J&E scenes, they need to do some more exploring! :-\
Hmmm.. ya know, no, I didn't get the feeling Jack wanted to spill the beans about Ennis. I have more of the feeling that what's happening between he and Ennis is so special, so new, and so tentative, that he doesn't have the desire to share it yet - even in a fit of anger at Lureen. Hard to explain, but I have the feeling he doesn't think she's "worthy" of hearing about it - like it's the only "real" part of him and he doesn't want her to know - she doesn't deserve to know, because he feels so disrespected by her in their marriage. Does that make any sense?
That makes sense, and yes, it feels that way too. But I only felt it when she said about the whores, because maybe in Jack's mind she was disrespecting Ennis because the only person that will be allowed in the house, to our knowledge, next to Bobby and Ennis's kids, is Ennis himself. Huh? Now, there's something that doesn't make sense. Mmmm.... Lemme think. Yes, Ok... :-\ :( ::)
Yep, adorable is the word, and, yeah, I do love the sort of role reversal, with Jack being shy and Ennis cracking the joke....I have the feeling we haven't seen the last of these role reversals, so to speak.....
That's what I find so refreshing about this story, Ennis never reacts the way you expect him to react, he's nothing like canon Ennis.
Yeah, I think rut is probably a good description, not unusual for a lot of marriages after a number of years. But, unlike Jack and Lureen, Alma and Ennis have no animosity for each other; in fact, just the opposite - you can see that they respect each other and do love each other in their own way. I like this Alma a lot - she's funny and sincere and I think she's going to be a lot tougher than she may appear to be.
I kinda like her, at least much more than in the movie. And it's OK to like her, even if she is still an obstacle to overcome if J and E want to be happy together. She's gonna be soooo hurt, it's sad to think about it.
Hugs, Mel
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Yeah, it surprised the hell out of me, because I didn't think of Jack as being the kind of person to do that, because he hates his dad so much and would despise himself if he turned out just like him. Do you think it's the first time he hit him? You know what I think is gonna happen in the next chapter? The fishing trip! It makes sense, doesn't it. Jack has promised it and he'll probably bring Ennis because Bobby knows they always go together. Or is it just wishful thinking from my part that they go on the fishing trip, the three of them? It could make for some really interesting confrontations between them three.
Well, I hope it was the first and last time he hits him! I think Jack scared himself with how out-of-control he got. You're much better at predictions than I am - the fishing trip is a good possibility, especially with Jack feeling the way he does right now and wanting to make things right with Bobby.
What you said about Lureen disrespecting Ennis makes sense - I think Jack is very protective of Ennis, and he would be especially protective in the face of any disapproval on Lureen's part (this reminds me of something in the first chapter - I think Lureen made a smart remark about Ennis in a tux or something and Jack bristled at it - that told us something right from the start, about both Jack and Lureen).
That's what I find so refreshing about this story, Ennis never reacts the way you expect him to react, he's nothing like canon Ennis.
Yeah, I expected a bit more resistance from him - but, having said that, it was pretty much like canon Ennis to try and deny what happened with Jack and run to Abbey (wince). It may be too early to tell. And so far, they are still meeting in secret (comparable to "way the hell out in the middle of nowhere"). What will happen if (when?) Jack demands the equivalent of a little cow and calf operation? I can't see Ennis just "going for it." I don't think he's allowed himself to think that far ahead to the possibilities of each of them leaving their wives and families. So, if we get to that point, he may very well behave like canon Ennis. And you know what really worries me? Ennis's reaction when he finds out that Junior is not his little miss perfect. I'm very afraid that he's going to blame Bobby for that - and that that will, in turn, cause a strain between him and Jack. I hope not - but this stuff with Junior and Bobby has to come out eventually, right?
I kinda like her, at least much more than in the movie. And it's OK to like her, even if she is still an obstacle to overcome if J and E want to be happy together. She's gonna be soooo hurt, it's sad to think about it.
Well, I've never been one to dislike Alma, even in the movie and ss. I always felt she got a bum deal; she really wasn't the obstacle between J&E because they were divorced for years. But CY Alma - I actively like her. She seems so sincerely concerned about Jack and Lureen (which is so sad and pathetic because she has no idea that she should be concerned for her own marriage). Plus, I think Ennis sincerely cares about her - but you're right - she is much more of an obstacle in this story (but not the only obstacle by far). And you're also right that she is going to be blindsided and soooo hurt. And the fact that I do feel symparthy for her is a sign of good writing (just like I felt sorry for Alma in RWYA ;)).
And I'm scared of angst in the next chapter .... I want happy exploring, too! ;D :-*
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Well, I hope it was the first and last time he hits him! I think Jack scared himself with how out-of-control he got. You're much better at predictions than I am - the fishing trip is a good possibility, especially with Jack feeling the way he does right now and wanting to make things right with Bobby.
Same here, I understand the moment he hit him he must've been totally frustrated by his conversation with Lureen and not being able to figure out what he needs to do to be with Ennis. I thought it was interesting how Jack said that he needed Bobby and him to be OK because he was going through something. That made me shiver, because Bobby kind of suspects what is going on. I think he will be the first to find out.
Yeah, I expected a bit more resistance from him - but, having said that, it was pretty much like canon Ennis to try and deny what happened with Jack and run to Abbey (wince). It may be too early to tell. And so far, they are still meeting in secret (comparable to "way the hell out in the middle of nowhere"). What will happen if (when?) Jack demands the equivalent of a little cow and calf operation? I can't see Ennis just "going for it." I don't think he's allowed himself to think that far ahead to the possibilities of each of them leaving their wives and families. So, if we get to that point, he may very well behave like canon Ennis. And you know what really worries me? Ennis's reaction when he finds out that Junior is not his little miss perfect. I'm very afraid that he's going to blame Bobby for that - and that that will, in turn, cause a strain between him and Jack. I hope not - but this stuff with Junior and Bobby has to come out eventually, right?
Mmm... so many possibilities! I think I am thinking the same thing that you are thinking. I was wondering about how Ennis was trying to get Jack to act more normal towards Lureen, to be more mellow, coaxing him with his eye brows to calm down. I think Ennis might want to keep up appearances longer than Jack. I think at the moment he's still thinking they can keep this up without it having to interfere with their marriage! So yes, I think he might very well be like canon Ennis once Jack starts talking about that sweet life. Especially when Jack's marriage crumbles and Ennis finds it easy to keep up appearances with Alma because he and Alma are a lot less vocal about their differences than Jack and Lureen.
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...... That made me shiver, because Bobby kind of suspects what is going on. I think he will be the first to find out.
Well, Bobby knows something is going on with Jack, for sure...but I'm not sure that he knows enough yet to make him connect the dots to J&E having an affair ...I do think that part will be a shock to him - and I think you're right that he will be the first to find out.
.... I think at the moment he's still thinking they can keep this up without it having to interfere with their marriage!.....
Exactly! And, yes, obviously there are cracks in Ennis and Alma's marriage that neither are acknowledging, but they are very different people from Jack and Lureen, individually and as a couple. Ennis and Alma are both more down to earth, neither one of them likes to rock the boat.
Sooo....Bobby, Jack and Ennis on that fishing boat together ....and we still have that Abbey thing that's just waiting around like a ticking time bomb......
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Well, Bobby knows something is going on with Jack, for sure...but I'm not sure that he knows enough yet to make him connect the dots to J&E having an affair ...I do think that part will be a shock to him - and I think you're right that he will be the first to find out.
Oh no, I don't think he has a clue what is going on between J and E, but I do think he suspects his father might think he's gay, what with the pic he found on his father's computer.
Exactly! And, yes, obviously there are cracks in Ennis and Alma's marriage that neither are acknowledging, but they are very different people from Jack and Lureen, individually and as a couple. Ennis and Alma are both more down to earth, neither one of them likes to rock the boat.
Exactly! Very well-put. I wonder what is going on in Ennis's mind. He obviously wants this thing with Jack to go on, but Kumari doesn't give us anything about Ennis's feelings. Jack voiced his in the previous chapter and Ennis answered him in the only way he knows how, physically. Jack is filled with feelings of infatuation and deep love for Ennis and their new found feelings, and I bet Ennis is as well.
Sooo....Bobby, Jack and Ennis on that fishing boat together ....and we still have that Abbey thing that's just waiting around like a ticking time bomb......
Mmmm.... I am thinking seperate tents! One for Bobby and one for Jack and Ennis! They have to be VERY quiet though and I think especially Ennis will have problems with being quiet as we have already read in the previous chapters! ;) :D
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Oh no, I don't think he has a clue what is going on between J and E, but I do think he suspects his father might think he's gay, what with the pic he found on his father's computer.
Ohhhh... Of course! Duh! Yes, and maybe (I hope) Bobby and Jack can be a source of comfort for each other. God, what a mess that family is - Bobby so desperately needs Jack to be strong, to be a parent - and Jack is going through this whole thing that's rocking his world - and rocking everyone around him too.
Exactly! Very well-put. I wonder what is going on in Ennis's mind. He obviously wants this thing with Jack to go on, but Kumari doesn't give us anything about Ennis's feelings. Jack voiced his in the previous chapter and Ennis answered him in the only way he knows how, physically. Jack is filled with feelings of infatuation and deep love for Ennis and their new found feelings, and I bet Ennis is as well.
Oh, yeah, Ennis's feelings are the same - in fact, I think he did try to express himself verbally (he started talking about Jack's hair, etc.) and Jack told him it was just too much for him to handle - so the feeling of infatuation is there (and Ennis is realizing that maybe it's always been there).
Mmmm.... I am thinking seperate tents! One for Bobby and one for Jack and Ennis! They have to be VERY quiet though and I think especially Ennis will have problems with being quiet as we have already read in the previous chapters! ;) :D
I'm trying to remember what was said about the fishing trips and where they actually go? Someplace far? Hmmm...I might have to force myself to do some re-reading LOL!
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Hey, isn't it time for a new chapter?
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I think I should repeat my plea... isn't it time for a new chapter? I'm about to give up on my all-time favorite BBM fanfic... :-\ :'(
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Hey Mel! I was thinking the same thing recently. News about this story would be great.
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Hey Mel! I was thinking the same thing recently. News about this story would be great.
:)
It makes me sad to think that we might have to wait months for updates between each chapter. For me, it takes away a lot of the reading pleasure. If I'm honest, even if this is updated, I'm not sure if I want to read it when I'm not sure if and when it's gonna be updated again..... especially when it involves cliffhangers....I know Kumari promised that she would finish all her stories, but I'm a bit worried, I hope nothing bad happened for her in RL. I know she doesn't owe us anything, but I just wish she would let her readers know what's going on from time to time....
Have you ever started her original story on her lj? It's really good!
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Hi Mel and Amanda,
Well, it goes without saying that I'd love an update, too. I think what makes the waiting more difficult with CY is that I have absolutely no idea what will happen next. The situation is so complex it's hard to wrap my mind around it - and that's why I think this story is so great. There are never "easy" answers for any J&E, but for this pair things are especially difficult. I want a "happy" ending, of course, but I keep thinking that "happy" may be the wrong word to use for this story because there has to be so much devastation left in the wake of their relationship, and I give Kumari a lot of credit for taking on such a seemingly impossible situation.
Yes, I've been following her original story - and, not surprisingly, it is very good! I'm keeping my fingers crossed - maybe we'll get some kind of Christmas surprise!
Marie
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Oh, no, if Kumari updated her story, I think it is Full Count's turn. I've waiting since end Aug, at least CY was updated in Sept.
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CHAPTER 10!!!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/17846.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/17846.html)
Mariiiiiiiiieeeeeee!!!!
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I know a lot of people are squeeing for this chapter. But, honestly, I am heartbroken, where is my 'Full Count'? Kumari hasn't updated it since Aug 2007, I'm afraid she's going to abandon it. :'(
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I know a lot of people are squeeing for this chapter. But, honestly, I am heartbroken, where is my 'Full Count'? Kumari hasn't updated it since Aug 2007, I'm afraid she's going to abandon it. :'(
I'm sorry to hear that, I understand how you feel... if it had been the other way around I would've felt the same... *hug*
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I'm sorry to hear that, I understand how you feel... if it had been the other way around I would've felt the same... *hug*
Thanks for your kind words. I do like Camden Yards very much, but it's Full Count that I love, love very much, that's why it's rather frustrating about the situation.
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“Your wife coming home?” Jack asked as quietly as he could under the rule of so much alcohol.
How poignant is that, that he is now referring to Alma as the wife instead of with one of his nicknames or just her name?
Jack got on his knees and turned around on the couch in circles like a dog before settling down with his head in Ennis’s lap
Oh God, I could have never come up with that line, that's just precious! As I said in my comment on Kumari's lj: I nearly choked on my breakfast, the pictures in my head were so vivid. LOL.
Jack is trying so hard with Bobby, but then he gets drunk himself and ends up drunk on Ennis's doorstep. I was really hoping for Jack and Ennis to spend some time together in this chapter and my heart sank when I realised he was still drunk. I don't know, they are exploring, yes, but I really wished they had done some soul searching between the two of them.
I have a sneaking feeling this is not gonna end well. I don't know why, but I really think Ennis is deep in denial, I really think he thinks he will be able to keep this up without having to tear up his family. I read some replies on this story that said Jack and Ennis need to be together because they love each other, but I hardly think it's that simple, it's often that simple in fanfic, but not in this story. Am I making sense? I can think of a hundred ways how they will never have a life together, while in other stories I can.
'Nough rambling....
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OMG!!!!!!!! .....
I usually check my f-list first, but this morning I didn't ...... off to read!!!!!
Thanks, Mel!
I know a lot of people are squeeing for this chapter. But, honestly, I am heartbroken, where is my 'Full Count'? Kumari hasn't updated it since Aug 2007, I'm afraid she's going to abandon it. :'(
Awww, I'm sure she hasn't abandoned it, yb! I understand your disappointment - I love Full Count, too! I saw that she recently updated her RPS, so that's a good sign that she's busy writing. Sometimes writers have to write what comes to them naturally and maybe that's why she's not sticking to an "order" in the updates. I'll bet Full Count will be up soon! Keep the faith!
Marie
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How poignant is that, that he is now referring to Alma as the wife instead of with one of his nicknames or just her name?
Yes, that line really sprang out at me, too! The damage has already been done and there's no going back. Poignant, indeed. And, yeah, Jack's little "doggy dance" was priceless! How does she come up with this stuff?
..... I read some replies on this story that said Jack and Ennis need to be together because they love each other, but I hardly think it's that simple, it's often that simple in fanfic, but not in this story. Am I making sense? I can think of a hundred ways how they will never have a life together, while in other stories I can.
That's so funny that you said that! In my reply on her LJ, I told Kumari that she's not writing a "fanfic." This is altogether something new. Instead of a "J&E" story, this is an intense, brilliant, in-depth look at families. Fathers and sons, husbands and wives, daddies and their little girls. Layers upon layers upon layers. Complex doesn't begin to describe it.
I do think Jack made a good start, at least, with how he handled Bobby:
....You could die, and what would I do then? What would I do without you?”
Bobby shrugged and fell back into the chair. “Seems like you’ve been getting along fine without me so far.”
“No,” Jack said shaking his head, “that’s just it, I haven’t. We’re too far apart and look at how we’re both fucking up, see what I mean?”
“Yeah.”
Oh, God, that poor little boy is just dying for attention, he's been begging for it! In a strange way, as upset as I was at Jack for going "nuts" as Bobby put it, I think Lureen's indifference to Bobby is more painful to him and more damaging.
And, yeah, of course Ennis is in denial! I honestly don't see how he couldn't be. Jack may not be in the same kind of "denial" Ennis is in about his sexuallity or the state of his marriage, but they both have issues they're not ready to tackle yet, evidenced by the fact that Jack felt the need to please Lureen in bed. Not to mention his father issues...... (and what a painful, but excellent, scene that was!)
I thought this was a particularly insightful line, among dozens of them:
The reality of what was between them didn’t catch fire in Ennis’s mind, but seeped into his consciousness, pervasive and invisible.
They're not not nearly ready for soul-searching yet, I don't think. But that entire scene between them was structured so perfectly from the moment Ennis pulled Jack inside the house - it's so evident that beyond anything or anyone else, these guys belong to each other. And it's a beautiful thing to see - but in this situation, it's also a huge problem for a lot of good people.
What a great Christmas Eve surprise!
Marie
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They're not not nearly ready for soul-searching yet, I don't think. But that entire scene between them was structured so perfectly from the moment Ennis pulled Jack inside the house - it's so evident that beyond anything or anyone else, these guys belong to each other. And it's a beautiful thing to see - but in this situation, it's also a huge problem for a lot of good people.
Exactly! Just imagine that Lureen is your best friend and this is happening to her! People just shucking everything and riding off into the sunset doesn't happen without them leaving behind a huge mess. That's real life.
Just as they are not ready for soul-searching yet (although I would have loved to have seen some drunken admissions from Jack, LOL, how I love this Jack), I think they are not nearly ready to be together, actually living their lives together, either. Jack deals with this thing inside him and the marriage that is falling apart by retorting to the same behaviour that he doesn't want to see in his son, and Ennis deals with it by denying it in a way, which was apparent in the way he wanted to hold on to the friendship part of the evening (God, that is such a real insight, isn't it? I so CANNOT imagine the situation they are in, but I can totally imagine this feeling, which just shows Kumari's strength).
I don't think Ennis even CONSIDERS a life with Jack, I'm not even sure how he sees this thing between them, and that makes this story so intriguing, you know the things like that he has looked at Jack in a different way than just friends, and that he liked being with Jack more than with Abbey, but other than that, what do we really know about the extent of his feelings for Jack and whether he sees something that is worth giving up his marriage for? He seems to be content with what he has with Alma. He doesn't feel like going back to Abbey because he has Jack now and Jack can give him exactly what neither Alma nor Abbey can give him. But what is going on in Ennis's mind? He doesn't hesitate when Jack makes his move, doesn't think about the damage this will obviously do to them all when it comes out, just seems to have a realisation of what they are doing:
The reality of what was between them didn’t catch fire in Ennis’s mind, but seeped into his consciousness, pervasive and invisible.
Also, I was amazed at his casual and rather crude mumble/remark about Alma's BJ and salad!
God, how I loved their easy banter again, that does show us the extent of their friendship. But will it be enough for a life together?
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CHAPTER 10!!!!!
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/17846.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/17846.html)
Mariiiiiiiiieeeeeee!!!!
;D :D
Ohhh! Good to know! Something to look forward to reading when I get back from my holiday visit to my folks. :)
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Ohhh! Good to know! Something to look forward to reading when I get back from my holiday visit to my folks. :)
Have a great Christmas, Amanda! :D :-*
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Sorry to be the bearer of bad news, but ....
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/21376.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/21376.html)
Kumari is a remarkably talented writer and I wish her the best.
Marie
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Thanks for the news Marie. I really like Camden Yards, but it's been so long since I read the last/ most recent chapter of it that I'd have to do a lot of re-reading to get back into that story whatever the case might be. It would be great if that story could be finished, but I do understand her motivations for wanting to focus her writing energy on her original stories.
Yep, I wish her the best too.
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For anyone interested, a couple of messages from Kumari:
The first regarding the deletion of her lj on 1/22:
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23355.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23355.html)
The second is "a note about the end of Camden Yards":
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23636.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23636.html)
Marie
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For anyone interested, a couple of messages from Kumari:
The first regarding the deletion of her lj on 1/22:
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23355.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23355.html)
The second is "a note about the end of Camden Yards":
http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23636.html (http://debutante9.livejournal.com/23636.html)
Marie
I hate to hear this! I was really getting into the story!
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Oh,glad I saw this so that I can save The Wolf and the Thunderbird.
A shame she is deleting her LJ, I don´t understand why they can´t just leave them out there for everyone to enjoy.
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I can´t believe I forgot!
I suddenly remembered that she would shut her LJ down today, but I was too late.
Can someone please, please, please send me her stuff?
The Wolf and the Thunderbird is one of my favorite stories, but I would love to have her other stuff as well.
*curses*