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Title: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: dot-matrix on March 20, 2007, 03:40:43 am
Bob sprung this article on me tonight so I thought I'd share it with you all.  I learned a few things I can tell you  :o ps. Beware, there are a couple of straight oriented points.

15 Things You Don't Know About Your Penis

Isn't a great idea to get to know the one part of our body that we love the most better? Who knew, the penis is much more interesting than I thought it was and that's a lot to say! ;)


 ::) 1. Smoking can shorten your penis by as much as a centimeter. Erections are all about good bloodflow, and lighting up calcifies blood vessels, stifling erectile circulation. So even if you don't care all that much about your lungs or dying young, spare the li'l guy.

 ::) 2. Doctors can now grow skin for burn victims using the foreskins of circumcised infants. One foreskin can produce 23,000 square meters, which would be enough to tarp every Major League infield with human flesh.

 ::) 3. An enlarged prostate gland can cause both erectile dysfunction and premature ejaculation. If you have an unexplained case of either, your doctor's looking forward to checking your prostate. Even if you're not.

 ::) 4. The average male orgasm lasts 6 seconds. Women get 23 seconds. Which means if women were really interested in equality, they'd make sure we have four orgasms for every one of theirs.

 ::) 5. The oldest known species with a penis is a hard-shelled sea creature called Colymbosathon ecplecticos. That's Greek for "amazing swimmer with large penis." Which officially supplants Buck Naked as the best porn name, ever.

 ::) 6. Circumcised foreskin can be reconstructed. Movable skin on the shaft of the penis is pulled toward the tip and set in place with tape. Later, doctors apply plastic rings, caps, and weights. Years can pass until complete coverage is attained. . . . Okay, we'll shut up now.

 ::) 7. Only one man in 400 is flexible enough to give himself oral pleasure. It's estimated, however, that all 400 have given it their best shot at some point.

 ::) 8. There are two types of penises. One kind expands and lengthens when becoming erect (a grower). The other appears big most of the time, but doesn't get much bigger after achieving erection (a shower).

 ::) 9. An international Men's Health survey reports that 79 percent of men have growers, 21 percent have showers.

 ::) 10. German researchers say the average intercourse lasts 2 minutes, 50 seconds, yet women perceive it as lasting 5 minutes, 30 seconds. Are we that good or that bad?

 ::) 11. Turns out size does matter: The longer your penis, the better "semen displacement" you'll achieve when having sex with a woman flush with competing sperm. That's according to researchers at the State University of New York, who used artificial phalluses (ahem) to test the "scooping" mechanism of the penis's coronal ridge. Next up: curing cancer.

 ::) 12. The penis that's been enjoyed by the most women could be that of King Fatefehi of Tonga, who supposedly deflowered 37,800 women between the years 1770 and 1784 -- that's about seven virgins a day. Go ahead, say it: It's good to be king.

 ::) 13. Better-looking men may have stronger sperm. Spanish researchers showed women photos of guys who had good, average, and lousy sperm -- and told them to pick the handsomest men. The women chose the best sperm producers most often.

 ::) 14. No brain is necessary for ejaculation. That order comes from the spinal cord. Finding a living vessel for said ejaculation, however, takes hours of careful thought and, often, considerable amounts of alcohol.

 ::) 15. The most common cause of penile rupture: vigorous masturbation. Some risks are just worth taking.

December 2006 Mens Health

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David on March 28, 2007, 08:39:47 am
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1. Smoking can shorten your penis by as much as a centimeter. Erections are all about good bloodflow, and lighting up calcifies blood vessels, stifling erectile circulation. So even if you don't care all that much about your lungs or dying young, spare the li'l guy.




I have never smoked, but even if I did, a centimeter gain wouldn't be enough incentive.   Now if guys knew they's gain inches  by quitting....  Look out!    The cigarette industry would collapse!    LOL.
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: loneleeb3 on April 20, 2007, 04:09:06 pm
Finding a living vessel for said ejaculation, however, takes hours of careful thought and, often, considerable amounts of alcohol.

I guess that depends on how choosy one is. 8)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: moremojo on April 20, 2007, 05:36:50 pm
::) 7. Only one man in 400 is flexible enough to give himself oral pleasure. It's estimated, however, that all 400 have given it their best shot at some point.
Yup...I used to fantasize about this myself, but never was able to achieve it. Ron Jeremy was known in the day for being able to self-fellate (don't know if he's able to anymore, or even cares to). And speaking of porn performers, I have an adult magazine that photographically records a virile young man with the ability to penetrate himself anally with his own member...doubtlessly an even rarer skill.

And for the record, I am a grower. 8)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: LauraGigs on April 20, 2007, 05:44:13 pm
OK  — as a naive woman, I just have to ask:  If a guy is a "shower" (large c*ck even when not erect), how does one cram it into a pair of tight jeans?  (Especially if he's riding a horse or something which would probably be even more constricting) 

Isn't it painful?
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on April 20, 2007, 07:03:11 pm
::) 11. Turns out size does matter: The longer your penis, the better "semen displacement" you'll achieve when having sex with a woman flush with competing sperm. That's according to researchers at the State University of New York, who used artificial phalluses (ahem) to test the "scooping" mechanism of the penis's coronal ridge. Next up: curing cancer.

Sloppy seconds. ... Eeeew. ...  ::)  :laugh:

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::) 13. Better-looking men may have stronger sperm. Spanish researchers showed women photos of guys who had good, average, and lousy sperm -- and told them to pick the handsomest men. The women chose the best sperm producers most often.

Wait a minute. How do we know the researchers didn't choose lousy-sperm producers who were ugly as sin and good-sperm producers who were drop-dead gorgeous?  ???  >:(
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on April 20, 2007, 07:04:28 pm
OK  — as a naive woman, I just have to ask:  If a guy is a "shower" (large c*ck even when not erect), how does one cram it into a pair of tight jeans?  (Especially if he's riding a horse or something which would probably be even more constricting) 

Isn't it painful?

I don't know, but I sure wish I was in a position to know. ...  :-\
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David In Indy on April 20, 2007, 07:12:49 pm
I'm just not believing what I'm reading in here!  >:(  >:(

 :laugh:  :laugh:
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: loneleeb3 on April 20, 2007, 08:43:14 pm
OK  — as a naive woman, I just have to ask:  If a guy is a "shower" (large c*ck even when not erect), how does one cram it into a pair of tight jeans?  (Especially if he's riding a horse or something which would probably be even more constricting) 

Isn't it painful?
Just like in marketing, product placement is everything!
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 21, 2007, 01:07:20 am
I'm just not believing what I'm reading in here!  >:(  >:(

 :laugh:  :laugh:

maybe we should retire to a more sedate thread....like say the Vagina Monologues!!

 :o :o

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David In Indy on April 21, 2007, 01:29:32 am
maybe we should retire to a more sedate thread....like say the Vagina Monologues!!

 :o :o

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



Oh I was posting in that one too, but I forgot all about it!

Thanks Jess!
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 21, 2007, 01:34:12 am
Oh I was posting in that one too, but I forgot all about it!

Thanks Jess!

you didn't answer the QUESTION!!

 8)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David In Indy on April 21, 2007, 01:48:51 am
you didn't answer the QUESTION!!

 8)

Oh I didn't?

Pardon me! Yes, let's retire to the Vagina Monologue thread. It's foreign soil to me so to speak, and thus less threatening and more sedate to someone like "moi".

I'm game if you are Jess!  ;)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Front-Ranger on April 21, 2007, 01:55:29 am
You managed to make TVM still unthreatening but less sedate, David!! I've been waiting on you "outies" to get on the ball (hehe) and start your own discussion of penile matters!

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on April 23, 2007, 03:42:25 am
Here's a question that I've wondered about...   How come some nude guys have no testicles to speak of?  I know steroids can do this and testosterone.    But some don't look like they're body builders?
 ::)
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David In Indy on April 23, 2007, 03:50:10 am
Here's a question that I've wondered about...   How come some nude guys have no testicles to speak of?  I know steroids can do this and testosterone.    But some don't look like they're body builders?
 ::)
br. patrick

I guess it just depends on what part of their bodies they're trying to build.

Wait a minute. Did that make sense?

It wouldn't be trick photography, because if they had them, they would SURELY want to show them.

I don't know!  ???

It DOES raise some questions, doesn't it? A whole host of them in fact.
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 23, 2007, 07:23:00 am
Here's a question that I've wondered about...   How come some nude guys have no testicles to speak of?  I know steroids can do this and testosterone.    But some don't look like they're body builders?
 ::)
br. patrick

unless they USED to be on steriods? cause I noticed quite a few are older guys?

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: loneleeb3 on April 23, 2007, 07:23:34 am
Maybe they are cold? :P
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 23, 2007, 07:25:07 am
oh heck! just send us the links and we'll check ourselves!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(just kidding)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: loneleeb3 on April 26, 2007, 05:37:34 pm
oh heck! just send us the links and we'll check ourselves!

 :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

(just kidding)

No your not! :laugh:
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 27, 2007, 08:07:22 am
No your not! :laugh:

*Jess blinks innocently*

ME?? I would NEVER look at pictures of men that have lost their britches....I am a GOOD girl!

 ;D ;D
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: David on April 27, 2007, 08:22:43 am
Lotsa reasons I guess.   

Temperature of course.

Steroid use I suppose.

They even can appear higher or lower depending on um, arousal.

And then some guys are just more meat than potatoes.    :laugh:
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on April 27, 2007, 09:03:51 am
And then some guys are just more meat than potatoes.    :laugh:

'Course, the opposite can be true, too--more potatoes than meat! 

I once knew one fella, he was like a couple of Idaho bakers--and a Vienna sausage. ... :laugh:
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: loneleeb3 on April 27, 2007, 10:03:20 am
'Course, the opposite can be true, too--more potatoes than meat! 

I once knew one fella, he was like a couple of Idaho bakers--and a Vienna sausage. ... :laugh:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thats the quote of the day! :laugh:
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: dot-matrix on April 27, 2007, 05:58:29 pm
Lotsa reasons I guess.   
Temperature of course.
Steroid use I suppose.
They even can appear higher or lower depending on um, arousal.
And then some guys are just more meat than potatoes.    :laugh:
'Course, the opposite can be true, too--more potatoes than meat! 

I once knew one fella, he was like a couple of Idaho bakers--and a Vienna sausage. ... :laugh:
HAHAHAHAHAHA!
Thats the quote of the day! :laugh:


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Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on April 27, 2007, 07:05:53 pm

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Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 28, 2007, 11:57:42 pm
can't help but notice, though, everyone is talking about OTHER men.....LOL!!

'I know a guy'....'some guys are this or that'....
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on April 29, 2007, 01:46:11 pm
unless they USED to be on steroids? cause I noticed quite a few are older guys?

Since 1994, Usenet has provided me with a plethora of images and since I like 'ripe' men, I checked them out.  It seems that in my meager collection (4.64 GB is meager, ain't it?   :o ) that most of the guys with the empty sacks are in their late 20's or early 30's.   Older men seem normal . . .if not hanging lower because of gravity!  (Can't believe that I am writing about this or that I even have brought it up!  :P ) Might as well enjoy them while I can, they're going on Feb 28, 2008 in a plea bargain with my boss...

peace :)
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 29, 2007, 01:52:50 pm
Since 1994, Usenet has provided me with a plethora of images and since I like 'ripe' men, I checked them out.  It seems that in my meager collection (1 GB is meager, ain't it?  LOL) that most of the guys with the empty sacks are in their late 20's or early 30's.   Oldermen seem normal..?..  (Why am I writing about this?) :o  Might as well enjoy them while I can, they're going on Feb 28, 2008 in a plea bargain agreement with God...
peace :)
br. patrick

 ???

you can quit anytime you want to?

 ;) ;)
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: LauraGigs on April 29, 2007, 01:58:42 pm
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Might as well enjoy them while I can, they're going on Feb 28, 2008 in a plea bargain agreement with God...


(At first I thought you meant Usenet or whoever was taking them down on that date  "Aguirre says bring 'em down"  LOL)  But you made the agreement with God.  Is that for lent next year?
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on April 29, 2007, 02:20:47 pm

(At first I thought you meant Usenet or whoever was taking them down on that date  "Aguirre says bring 'em down"  LOL)  But you made the agreement with your boss (God).  Is that for lent next year?

If things continue to go as planned,  I won't need them anymore!   I'll have the empty hole that craves lust fill up filled up with Love, instead... It's already started.  I mentioned before that I didn't know how to love before BBM.  That lent to many regretful attempts to regain it.  I sure do now, and it feels just wonderfull!

Everybody knows what Usenet is, don't you?  I keep forgetting that I have been using computers since June 1983.  & forgive me from changing "God" in your original reply to a Concept I like better - "my boss" (His paychecks are funny ways he shows he's around me all of the time.)   As is said in "Latter Days"  "I just didn't want to get all religious on you all."  We have an infinite 'higher power' who can do anything (and does)!

peace ;)
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 29, 2007, 03:41:12 pm
Patrick!

I admit to not having run into too much around...(Roland takes up all my time...he is VERY high maint)

anyway!

Have you met someone then? or maybe rekindled an old flame?

Good luck either way!

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on April 30, 2007, 05:10:33 pm
Patrick!
Have you met someone then? or maybe rekindled an old flame?
Good luck either way!

I'm really not looking.  But that didn't stop me from falling in lust with a homeless drifter who was drop dead gorgeous.   AND he knew it and how to use it to twist my emotions to get whatever he wanted... Usually more beer.   He was a Sociopath who NEEDED to have affection shown him from a male.   To make a long story short, after 5 years of off and on staying with me, and other things I won't mention...  I sent him to Las Vegas by bus on June 2, 2003.   He called me on December 24, 2006 to thank me for sending him to a place in which he HAD to recover.

So it taught me a valuable lesson; don't enable, and be very careful in the future with whom I share myself with.   The things that gripes me was I WASN'T looking for a relationship - still ain't.  But lightening just struck and I was told in prayer not to reject him and we both would get what we needed.   I know he is, and BBM opened all kinds of things in me that need HEALING.

The guy had a great butt, too.

peace  ::)
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on April 30, 2007, 09:29:24 pm
I think one of the most important things is to keep an open heart. (Also the most difficult thing)  :-\

Sounds like you are on the right path.
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on May 01, 2007, 12:33:26 am
I think one of the most important things is to keep an open heart. (Also the most difficult thing)  :-\

Sounds like you are on the right path.

I'm really clueless when it comes to this stuff.  What makes a heart 'open'?  The only thing I can think about is hospitality...

peace  ???
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: moremojo on May 02, 2007, 10:29:13 am
I'm really clueless when it comes to this stuff.  What makes a heart 'open'?  The only thing I can think about is hospitality...

peace  ???
br. patrick
Patrick, to me, having an open heart involves perceiving the divine in everything, especially in other living things. Even if one doesn't ascertain this directly on a spiritual level, if one can keep it in mind, I think it can slowly make a difference in how one behaves, towards others and towards oneself. If you see something or someone as divine, it is natural to honor and love that which is perceived as such. So much calamity and strife would be eased if more people did this.
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on May 03, 2007, 02:20:13 pm
Patrick, to me, having an open heart involves perceiving the divine in everything, especially in other living things.  So much calamity and strife would be eased if more people did this.

That is exactly why my inner self, the one that KNOWS how to love MUST blossom and bloom.   I have so much to learn.  And on a journey with so many neat people!

 :-*
br. patrick

To get back to topic, I've been both!  I was a shower AND a grower in my earlier years.  Blessed with more than average.   Now, just a memory because of all of the meds I'm on...
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on May 04, 2007, 02:51:18 pm
???
you can quit anytime you want to?
 ;) ;)

No, I can't.  That's why it's called 'an addiction'  and I rechecked my Hard Drive and found I had 4.3 GB of images.   I had no idea that I had that many.  And you know how little space .jpg's take up...

What I'm looking forward to meeting the loving 3 year old boy who was pushed away from LOVING his father.   All of the lust comes from that moment and is built on it after it mutated into lust instead of love.

I've got a 'Crack' addiction - not the drug, the male backside!

peace  :o
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: injest on May 04, 2007, 06:40:12 pm
No, I can't.  That's why it's called 'an addiction'  and I rechecked my Hard Drive and found I had 4.3 GB of images.   I had no idea that I had that many.  And you know how little space .jpg's take up...

What I'm looking forward to meeting the loving 3 year old boy who was pushed away from LOVING his father.   All of the lust comes from that moment and is built on it after it mutated into lust instead of love.

I've got a 'Crack' addiction - not the drug, the male backside!

peace  :o
br. patrick

you know that is such a common theme I have seen in talking to gay men.

If fathers REALLY understood how VERY VERY important they are in their kids lifes....I wonder what an amazing difference it would make in the world. We focus on moms contribution and how much kids need mothers....but fathers' contributions are so much more subtle, more internalized by children...

 :-\

Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on May 19, 2007, 10:49:08 am
Here's a question that I've wondered about...   How come some nude guys have no testicles to speak of?  I know steroids can do this and testosterone.    But some don't look like they're body builders?

After doing empirical scientific examination of countless subjects with only a few with this anomaly, I have come to this conclusion.   I have seen it in which a hard bottom gets schalomped by an even bigger top.  Just before the bottom shoots, harder then ever with veins popping out all over his prick, his balls retract into his abdomen.  I have also seen this as a black top does this final enlargement just before the guns go off.

So, I guess I would call it a matter of excitation given to a select few who may or may not have used steroids.   (closeups, hard (difficult) to tell).

I need a rest.  OK, next problem?
peace  :P
br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on May 19, 2007, 12:06:47 pm
After doing empirical scientific examination of countless subjects with only a few with this anomaly, I have come to this conclusion.   I have seen it in which a hard bottom gets schalomped by an even bigger top.  Just before the bottom shoots, harder then ever with veins popping out all over his prick, his balls retract into his abdomen.  I have also seen this as a black top does this final enlargement just before the guns go off.

So, I guess I would call it a matter of excitation given to a select few who may or may not have used steroids.   (closeups, hard (difficult) to tell).

I need a rest.  OK, next problem?
peace  :P
br. patrick

I admire your sacrifice in the name of science. ...
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: LauraGigs on May 19, 2007, 01:47:43 pm
Patrick, Jeff -- LMAO!!
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: Br. Patrick on May 20, 2007, 12:44:48 pm
Patrick, Jeff -- LMAO!!
OK LauraGigs, the big secret is out.   Now you know why I wanted to get Photoshop to alter flesh tones from yellow to pink.   I confess...  Sorry for all the work I put you through to placate my addiction.  BUTT I DID learn alot of other stuff too!

Thanks Though ~  :'(

br. patrick
Title: Re: Hey guys, which are you a shower or a grower...Hmmmmm
Post by: ifyoucantfixit on May 20, 2007, 01:55:05 pm


            Aint science interesting...you guys and your sacrifices for the greater good, and to advancement of knowledge.


          I salute you all...................................................tee hee