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Title: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 01, 2006, 06:59:11 pm
I collect films, and after seeing BBM, I've turned my attention to acquiring more movies about gay men....  or about straight men in a  relationship with  gay men.  (an apology to my lesbian friends; I have very few movies yet about lesbians).

My collection of gay-themed movies is pretty small.  So far, I have (in alphabetical order):

The 24th Day
A Home at the End of the World (with Colin Farrel)
Adam & Steve
The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
Andre's Mother
Angels in America
Another Gay Movie
Apartment Zero
Before Night Falls
Bent
Big Eden
Chuck and Buck
The Children's Hour (with Audrey Hepburn)
Dog Day Afternoon
Eating Out
Fellini's Satyricon
The Fluffer
Girls Will Be Girls
Gone But Not Forgotten
Hedwig and the Angry Inch
Jeffrey
Just a Question of Love
Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang
Km.0
La Cage aux Folles (the original French version)
Latter Days
Locked Up
Longtime Companion
Making Love
The Man I Love
My Beautiful Laundrette
Mysterious Skin
Prick Up Your Ears (the biopic about Joe Orton)
Querelle (with Brad Davis)
Six Degrees of Separation
The Sum of Us (with a very young Russel Crowe)
Trick
The Trip
Walk on Water
The Wedding Banquet (by director Ang Lee)
Y Tu Mama También (not sure this belongs on this list)
Yossi and Jagger

Anyone seen any of these?  I'm not claiming these are the good ones, in fact, some are downright terrible ("Locked Up" for example). 

These are the ones I have.  I'm looking to buy more.  Any suggestions?

PS: as new films are added to my library, I'll add them to the list above.  Last updated November 24, 2006

Note: this topic was moved from the Safe Haven forum on June 26, 2006.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Phillip Dampier on March 02, 2006, 08:07:32 pm
The 24th Day
A Home at the End of the World (with Colin Farrel)
Angels in America
Apartment Zero
Eating Out
The Fluffer
Hedwig and the Angry Inch
Jeffrey
Km.0
Latter Days
Locked Up
The Man I Love
Mysterious Skin
Querelle (with Brad Davis)
The Sum of Us (with a very young Russel Crowe)
The Trip
The Wedding Banquet (by director Ang Lee)
Yossi and Jagger

It's amazing that outside of Apartment Zero, I don't think I've seen any of these.  Again, usually gay cinema turns out to be like a soap opera and I don't usually like those kinds of movies regardless of who is in them.  I think the worst mainstream gay film out there was that awful Al Pacino piece of garbage from the 1970s whose name escapes me.  It was one of those films that would make people nail the closet door shut with them in it.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 03, 2006, 11:22:39 am
I think the worst mainstream gay film out there was that awful Al Pacino piece of garbage from the 1970s whose name escapes me.

That was "Cruising."   I've never seen it, but I remember people telling me how negative it was.

Another film from that period was "Making Love," which interestingly has just been released on DVD.  I hated it at the time, but wonder how I would react now.  The only two things I remember about it now are 1) how beautiful Michael Ontkean was; and 2) that Kate Jackson turned in one of the worst performances I've ever seen.  That pretty much killed her career, and deservedly so.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: John Passaniti on March 03, 2006, 11:45:24 am
I collect films, and after seeing BBM, I've turned my attention to acquiring more movies about gay men....  or about straight men in a  relationship with  gay men.  (an apology to my lesbian friends; I don't have any movies yet about lesbians).

Two films that I really enjoyed are Parting Glances and Desert Hearts.  But for some reason, they don't get much mention.

Parting Glances: http://imdb.com/title/tt0091725/
Desert Hearts: http://imdb.com/title/tt0089015/

Parting Glances is the story of a gay couple, one of who is leaving for an assignment in Africa, the other who is rediscovering his love for a former partner.  That partner incidentally is the first major role for Steve Buscemi.

Desert Hearts is in a way a kind of lesbian Brokeback Mountain in the sense that it shows a gay relationship (this time between two women), set in a different time and place (1950's Nevada). 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Denyys on March 04, 2006, 03:11:40 pm
I think you'll be surprised by the number of gay theme flicks "out" there.

 For a wonderful film historical resource guide on G/L/B/T films check out the book "THE CELLULOID CLOSET" Homosexulaity in the Movies, Revised Edition by Vito Russo. Title is also available on VHS/DVD.

For and extensive list of movie titles search on the "Earths Biggest Movie Data Base" at  www.imdb.com search under the genre: Gay/Lesbian. I also highly recommend you check out the various G/L/B/T film festivals. Here in Phoenix every March the community comes out by the thousands in support of the "OutFar" film festival. www.outfar.org 

Food for thought/Commentary: Until recently, commercially distributed gay themed feature films the U.S. has lagged behind the more enlightened, sophisticated producers/directors and audiences across the Big Pond and at the BBC.

A few of the titles in my collection: My Beautiful Launderet, Another Country, Eating Out, Doing Time on Maple Drive (Originially aired on FOX TV Network) Eban and Charley, It's in the Water and Jeffery.

As an *Aussiewannabe I higly recommend:
Priscilla Queen of the Desert, The Sum of Us, and Beautiful Thing.

Enjoy,
Denyys
(* anagram for SYDNEY) 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 04, 2006, 07:59:26 pm
I saw "Eating Out" last night for the first time.  Not a very a good movie, except you get to see  the weenies of Scott Lunsford and Ryan Carnes (now on Desparate Housewives as the gay gardener) if you can obtain the uncut version.  Unfortunately, those two brief shots are about the only redeeming "features" in the movie!   ;D

Another film just arrived to add to my collection, "Just a Question of Love." I do my DVD shopping online, and more are on the way, so I'll keep yawl updated on my collection as it grows.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 04, 2006, 09:14:01 pm
Here are 2 more I've seen: Longtime Companion, which was OK, and "Fun down there" which was truly awful! I notice too that the dreadful "bird cage" is missing from the list, along with the European "Cage aux Folles" 1,2,3 versions, a bit better than the American. And going way back, there are two with gay elements: Teorum and Something for Everyone. If you want stray further off stream Archangel, by Guy Madden has a gay scene (and is one of my favorite movies of all time).
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 05, 2006, 12:29:42 pm
Here are 2 more I've seen: Longtime Companion, which was OK, and "Fun down there" which was truly awful! I notice too that the dreadful "bird cage" is missing from the list, along with the European "Cage aux Folles" 1,2,3 versions, a bit better than the American. And going way back, there are two with gay elements: Teorum and Something for Everyone. If you want stray further off stream Archangel, by Guy Madden has a gay scene (and is one of my favorite movies of all time).

I've ordered the original French "La Cage aux Folles" just yesterday.  I saw it when it was first released, and loved it.  I didn't like the sequels nearly as much, and don't plan on buying them. 

I never saw "The Bird Cage," and never will.

Same for "In and Out."  I went to this one with a lesbian friend, and after only 10 minutes, look at each other at the same instant and rose to leave without having to say a word.  We demanded our money back, and got it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Br. Patrick on March 07, 2006, 07:21:09 am
There was a made for TV movie called "That Certain Summer" in the early 1970's.  It starred Hal Holbrock (sp?) and Martin Sheen (who is a long time friend of a friend of mine).  I can't remember the plot.   I sure would like to see that again.  It made me know I "wasn't alone".   Now that I've remembered that, I will ask my friend to ask Martin Sheen if it has, or could, be released.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 09, 2006, 06:15:54 pm
I saw "Walk on Water" last night, by Israeli director Eytan Fox, who also made "Yossi and Jagger."

This is the story of an assassin in the Mossad who gets to know the grandchildren of a Nazi war criminal, one of whom is gay.  The assassin is played by Lior Ashkenazi, who has the rugged-and-unstudied good looks that attract me most. 

The story is really about him and how by spending time with a gay man overcomes not only his homophobia but his  hatred of Muslims and Arabs as well.  No, he doesn't have a gay sexual experience, nor is he revealed to be closeted.  He's a decidedly straight man who learns to trust and respect a gay man.

Some good performances here, but the script is on the weak side.  I didn't believe the climatic scene of the film , when he cries in the arms of his gay friend, even though I've had that happen to me.  So the scene was in the realm of possibility to me, but the script up to that point hadn't convinced me that this would happen with this particular character. 

However, that last scene got me thinking about the need to be held once in a while, and I'm going to post those thoughts in a separate thread.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 12, 2006, 06:26:43 pm
A lot of my favorite gay-themed movies are adapted from plays.  The Sum of Us and Beautiful Thing have already been mentioned (BT was my all-time favorite until BBM).  I love two others that come from plays from the 70s and 80s: The Boys In The Band and Torch Song Trilogy.

I know BITB is seen as a kind of relic and full of stereotypes, but it's actually pretty good.  The characters are pretty diverse, and it talks about a lot of different issues.  The two characters in a relationship explore the intimacy and monogamy issue.  Living in the closet and self hatred are major themes too, and I think it's pretty well acted.

When I was 18, I saw Torch Song Trilogy on Broadway and it was a real awakening.  I really enjoyed following Arnold's story, and it also has monogamy as an issue as well as raising kids and gay identity.  Whether you enjoy the movie depends on how much you like or don't like Harvey Fierstein, since it's pretty much his show.  But the rest of the cast is quite good too, including Matthew Broderick and Anne Bancroft.

One other movie I Netflixed recently was A Very Natural Thing.  Again, I was so surprised by this little known flick from the 70s and how it really looked at the challenges of making relationships work in a gay, urban setting.  I guess all three movies have that in common, that they take place in NYC, and since I live here I guess I relate more.  As Larry McMurtry pointed out that's another place that BBM is different in that it's in a rural setting.

I can't think of any others right now, but I love giving gay movies a try.  So many turn out kind bleh, but the gems are worth checking out.

Juan

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 12, 2006, 09:12:04 pm

One other movie I Netflixed recently was A Very Natural Thing.  Again, I was so surprised by this little known flick from the 70s and how it really looked at the challenges of making relationships work in a gay, urban setting.
Juan

OHMYGOD!

I saw "A Very Natural Thing" when it came to my local theatre in the seventies.  I think I was in San Diego at the time, which would make it 1973 or 1974.  It was a big deal because it made it into mainstream theaters, a first (I think) for a gay love story.  I was a gay activist at the time, and we worked hard to publicize the film.  Of course, it seemed only gay people went to it, and it bombed at the box office...

But I had totally forgotten about it. If I'm thinking of the same movie... do you know the cover art for the film?  Was the marketing poster a picture of the two lovers frolicking in the ocean surf?

How did you come across it?  Is it on DVD?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 12, 2006, 11:11:13 pm
Yeah, I Netflixed it and made a copy.  No extras or anything, and the movie has a grainy, VHS quality, but I was surprised by how much I got into it.  Yeah, that's the cover for it, they're like in the water.  I don't remember how I heard of it, maybe from the book version of The Celluloid Closet.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 13, 2006, 12:59:26 am
Just now finished my first viewing of the French film "Just a Question of Love."  I loved it, really, really loved it.

Our Aussie friend, Chris, and I have been discussing a book called "Covering," and the issues it raises for us. 
"Just a Question of Love" is about a relationship in which one man hasn't come out to his parents, and the other insists that he do so, and how this conflict threatens to break up their relationship.

And guess what, Chris?  The one who is covering has a compelling reason to do so.  I won't spoil it by saying any more, and in fact, the reason is not treated like a big secret or twist in the plot.  My point is that this film makes the guy's decision to remain in the closet not only understandable, but reasonable and right, at least in some ways.

So I learned a thing or two, and that's what I liked about the movie most of all.

Check it out!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Phillip Dampier on March 13, 2006, 09:27:57 pm
Here are 2 more I've seen: Longtime Companion, which was OK, and "Fun down there" which was truly awful! I notice too that the dreadful "bird cage" is missing from the list, along with the European "Cage aux Folles" 1,2,3 versions, a bit better than the American. And going way back, there are two with gay elements: Teorum and Something for Everyone. If you want stray further off stream Archangel, by Guy Madden has a gay scene (and is one of my favorite movies of all time).

Birdcage was right up there with Bewitched as Most Unnecessary Remakes.  It was awful.  I saw it in theaters and it was embarrassing.

The original La Cage aux Folles is playing again on Starz/Encore and is also available for viewing from their Vongo movie service.  Except they have been showing the annoying dubbed version instead of the English.  La Cage is another one of those movies that I don't relate to at all in my real life.  I also was rapidly irritated by the Bollywood-technical-quality soundtrack with cheesy 70s music.  But otherwise it had its moments.  The sequels were not that great, but it's been several years since I've seen them.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 14, 2006, 10:49:11 am
A big (34!) shipment of films just arrived, of which a few have gay-related themes, so look for additions to my list above in the coming weeks, and posts about my reactions to them as I view them.

One of them is the original "La Cage aux Folles," (in the original French) which I saw with my parents when it first appeared in theatres.  While I didn''t identify with it in any way, I loved it for its comedy, and so did my folks.  They too knew it had little to do with me, one of the advantages of being out to them. 

We could laugh because there was no fear of being "tarred with the same brush."

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Phillip Dampier on March 19, 2006, 08:30:12 pm
A big (34!) shipment of films just arrived, of which a few have gay-related themes, so look for additions to my list above in the coming weeks, and posts about my reactions to them as I view them.

34 Films!!!  Are these rentals or do you have more cash than Tom Cruise?  Wow....  I have Netflixed myself out last year in grabbing movies that way.  These days, most of the films I see are on pay cable before I fall asleep at night.  Most of them aren't good enough to stay awake for.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 19, 2006, 09:21:13 pm
34 Films!!!  Are these rentals or do you have more cash than Tom Cruise?  Wow....  I have Netflixed myself out last year in grabbing movies that way.  These days, most of the films I see are on pay cable before I fall asleep at night.  Most of them aren't good enough to stay awake for.


I collect films, so I own them.  So far, I have 285 films in my library.  I usually order 7-10 movies a month, so that shipment of 34 was my biggest order so far.  It was a promotion of "buy two, get one free" choosing from a list of over 900 movies all priced at $9.42.  I jumped on that sale!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 21, 2006, 12:17:42 pm
I actually liked one of the Cage aux Folles sequels better than the original, but I forget which one. The two men demonstrated love for each other by walking to embrace in front of people holding guns on them, or something like that. At any rate, for a brief moment they actually seemed like they had a real love, instead of a buffoon-clownish relationship.
Boys in the Band--yikes! I saw that one on stage when I was 18 and dealing with being gay and boy did it depress me. Everyone I was open to was telling me it was  look into my future, and I believed them, at the same time knowing that there was nothing I could do, or would do, to avoid it. I am sooooo thankful everyone was wrong.
Another long ago movie was a French one called Pourquoi Pas. It was actually about a menage a trois, but I recall being moved by the affection between the men. Don't know if it would hold up well now.
I think The Talented Mr Ripley has also been overlooked. Tom Ripley is not exactly a role model,  though.
And did anyone mention Wonder Boys? The first time Tobey Maguire stuck in my mind!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 21, 2006, 07:29:27 pm
I saw "Gone But Not Forgotten" last night.

It was one of the worst movies I have ever seen.  It's so bad that it can't even fit into a "so bad it's good" list.

The script was simply awful, and I felt sorry for the actors struggling so hard to make something of it.  The few scenes in which the actors  seemed authentic, the editing was so choppy that it interfered with the pacing of their dialogue and all their effort was destroyed.

I started laughing when it was over, laughing in embarrassment for the entire production.  I hope the director chalks it up to experience and will go on to better things.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 22, 2006, 06:43:55 pm
Boys in the Band--yikes! I saw that one on stage when I was 18 and dealing with being gay and boy did it depress me. Everyone I was open to was telling me it was  look into my future, and I believed them, at the same time knowing that there was nothing I could do, or would do, to avoid it. I am sooooo thankful everyone was wrong.
I didn't see the play on Broadway and I caught the movie years later, so maybe it didn't have that same effect on me.  It wasn't my first exposure to "how things could be": I had read "The Lord Won't Mind" and "Giovanni's Room" by then.  A few years ago, I actually saw a version of the play in a theater in Spanish.  I was surprised by how much it held up, though they did update the play to make it modern time and changed some of the characters to lesbians!

But the first gay movie I saw in the theater was after I had come out, an 80s indie flick called "Parting Glances", which did have the effect of making me think about what my life in the big apple might be like.  Would I be the cute young guy who's adored?  The homebody who fights to keep his marriage going?  It's still a really good watch.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 23, 2006, 11:37:17 am
But the first gay movie I saw in the theater was after I had come out, an 80s indie flick called "Parting Glances", which did have the effect of making me think about what my life in the big apple might be like.  Would I be the cute young guy who's adored?  The homebody who fights to keep his marriage going?  It's still a really good watch.

Juan

"Parting Glances" is on my wish list at my favorite online DVD store.  I use its wish list feature to keep track of movies that I have already decided to buy someday.

Curiously, there was an column in a recent issue of "The Advocate" in which the writer talked about the importance of "Parting Glances" in his own "coming-of-age" story.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 23, 2006, 12:09:40 pm
Yeah I think it was influential for a lot of people my age.  It had a cool diversity of characters in it, the gay married couple, the straight married couple (with the husband with a penchant for boys on the side), the pretty boy college student (ah those were the days), the hipster gal friend.  It's a shame that writer/director Bill Sherwood died a few years after making the movie.  Who knows what he could have gone on to do....

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: iristarr on March 23, 2006, 07:57:09 pm
"The Wedding Banquet," an early Ang Lee film, I highly recommend: a gay- themed film with a happy ending.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 23, 2006, 11:25:38 pm
Two more I just remembered: Love...Valor...Compassion, which I didn't flip over but my partner loved,
and a Cuban film called Strawberry and Chocolate that was quite good, I think.
there was also an old British film with a very young Dirk Bogarde playing a gay guy being blackmailed. Maybe in the 50s? Anyone know it?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: iristarr on March 24, 2006, 12:53:31 am
Thanks for reminding me of Love, Valor, Compassion. I liked it so much when I saw it but had forgotten about it.  I've just signed up for Netflix so am compiling my Queue.  Another I liked is Maurice, about two young men falling in love in an English boarding school.  I believe Hugh Grant is one of them.  It doesn't have a happy ending.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 24, 2006, 11:01:36 am
Really?  I find the ending of Maurice to be very sweet.  Just when it seems they'll be pulled apart, Maurice makes a leap of faith and decides to "run away" with Alec.  Before he does so, he kind of tells off Clive, the Hugh Grant character, and then meets Alec in the boathouse.  What I don't remember is whether the movie had a different ending than the novel.  I read somewhere that Forster himself found the idea that they could overcome their class differences to be together improbable. But then again, he also asked that the novel not be published until after his death.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: iristarr on March 24, 2006, 02:47:09 pm
I'm happy to hear that.   It's been years since I first saw it, on PBS, and I blundered trying to record it and cut off the ending. And then, apparently, forgot it (the ending).  Sure look forward to seeing it again, via Netflix.

(VCR-impaired, in California)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 24, 2006, 03:25:25 pm
Do you have a DVD player?  It was releasd last year on DVD with a lot of terrific extra features.  I could always make you a copy.  J
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 24, 2006, 09:00:04 pm
Welcome iristarr!

I think you may be the first lesbian to join us in the Safe Haven column...  and it will be so nice to get your point of view in the mix.   :D

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: iristarr on March 24, 2006, 10:25:17 pm
Oh my, I must be "passing."  Didn't mean to trespass here, but was lured by the discussions of gay-themed movies, in which I am very interested.  I'm just an old Brokeback broad with an insatiable curiousity and a fondness for gay men. BBM movie just brought up such powerful emotions for me that I've been following the threads wherever they may lead me.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 30, 2006, 09:07:13 pm
Maurice is a really sweet but totally unbelievable movie. More like a fantasy, I think. But I still like it a lot.
And Gods and Monsters (since Sir Ian is criticising Jake these days it came to mind) I think Brendan Frasier gets some points for bravery and acting outside the envelope. Also, it has just about the perfect last scene.
Wonder Boys has Robert Downey JR and Spiderman sharing a bed and in a very casual, no big deal way that makes me smile. Its a good movie, but not really a gay flick.
And there's always the first cowboy flick that reduced me to a sobbing pile of jelly in the theatre--Midnite Cowboy. Until BBM it was the only one that devastated me like that. I haven't seen it since it came out, so who knows if it would still hold up?


Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 31, 2006, 10:38:40 am
Sir Ian is criticising Jake these days it came to mind)


Really?!?  I'm unaware of that.  What's going on?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 31, 2006, 10:51:10 am
I'm looking forward to seeing this romantic comedy opening today in some cities (but alas, not in mine).

I just read an article in The Advocate interviewing the two leads, Craig Chester and Malcolm Gets, who are both that very rare animal: openly gay actors.

Good or bad, "Adam and Steve" will be the first U.S. mainstream release featuring openly gay actors playing gay romantic leads.   

The NY Times just panned the movie, but I never pay much attention to reviews until after I've seen a film.  I hope it will be as charming and light-hearted as the article in The Advocate said it is.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 31, 2006, 12:41:21 pm
I didn't think it was a big deal: Sir Ian said Jake was protesting too much about the rigors of having to kiss a guy. McKellen of course is openly gay, and goes on to say something about how HE could claim kissing Helen Mirren was the most difficult thing he ever did but doesn't say so.  I think you can find the piece by checking out Towleroad.com.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: rightstar on March 31, 2006, 12:44:49 pm
And yet another one from the past resurfaced recently: Sunday Bloody Sunday. It had Glenda Jackson and Peter Finch sharing (and knowing about each sharing) the very attractive Murray Head. Finch has a moving final scene and the movie has lots and lots of memorable lines.
I think it was just about the first film to treat a gay relationship as something serious and of equal value to a non-gay relationship. I'd like to watch it again..
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on March 31, 2006, 02:58:16 pm
Two more I just remembered: Love...Valor...Compassion, which I didn't flip over but my partner loved,
and a Cuban film called Strawberry and Chocolate that was quite good, I think.
there was also an old British film with a very young Dirk Bogarde playing a gay guy being blackmailed. Maybe in the 50s? Anyone know it?
Strawberries and Chocolate was pretty good.  Interesting to see movies from Latin American countries about straight/gay male relationships where the gay man is more traditionally flamboyant (like with Kiss of the Spiderwoman, which I liked a lot less).  There are a bunch of Spanish language, gay themed films that I collected that are worth checking out.

The British movie you're talking about is called Victim, I loved it.  Dirk Bogarde is a married lawyer who some blackmailers threaten, and it's kind of a first because he chooses to fight back although it means declaring his sexuality more publicly.  Sylvia Sims, I think, is his wife, and she's great also in how the wife reacts to his sexuality and stands by him.  Really worth checking out.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on March 31, 2006, 09:06:45 pm
Just watched Priscilla, Queen of the Desert for the first time since I saw it in theatres.  Back then, the only actor I knew was Terence Stamp.

So imagine my delight when I realized that I now know both of the other two:  Hugo Weaving (Matrix, Lord of the Rings) and Guy Pearce (Memento).  I don't usually go for feminine men, but Pearce's performance as the youngest drag queen was a real turn on for me...  so yummy!

I've never heard of "Victim," but have found it's available on DVD and will definitely be added my collection in due course, for it's historical significance (released in 1962).

I've always meant to see "Strawberries and Chocolates," but have gotten around to it yet.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on April 04, 2006, 08:44:05 pm
Reading the play of "Tea and Sympathy" in 1967 was a profound experience for me, even though it copped out at the end with the housemistress "curing" Tom's gayness/proving him strait.

The 1956 film was a double copout, with an epilogue added to ensure we all knew adultery was wrong. In the style of the time, it never referred directly to sexuality, using "red-blooded" for strait, "weak" for gay.

Young John Kerr was very cute. He went on to play (swoon!) Joe Cable in South Pacific 1958 and then according to one source he left movies to become a lawyer - good on him! - but IMDb lists him in a lot of TV episodes until 1986.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 05, 2006, 10:50:56 am
Saw the movie "Bent" last night, for the first time.

Very powerful stuff, quite depressing story, but I'm glad there's a movie out there to remind people that Nazi's terrorized gay people too.

Clive Owen is so hot...  and there's a brief scene near the beginning when he's getting poked at a party/orgy.  What struck me about that scene is that his character is enjoying it so much.  Rare to find a film in which being the catcher isn't presented as painful at all. 

Sorry for the heresy, but that's a mistake in BBM too.  Jack is grimacing too much in that first scene.  Yes, it was rough and yes, they didn't have any lubricant other than slick and spit.  But he was willing and able and wanted more, so I wish Lee had shown him enjoying himself more.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on April 06, 2006, 10:21:38 pm
I think the worst mainstream gay film out there was that awful Al Pacino piece of garbage from the 1970s whose name escapes me.

That was "Cruising."   I've never seen it, but I remember people telling me how negative it was.

I saw "Cruising" some while ago, on cable television, and do agree with the general consensus that it is disturbingly homophobic. This has less to do with the fact that the story involves a gay male serial killer than how Al Pacino's character evolves in the course of the tale. Pacino acts the role with conviction, but the characters' motivations are muddled and the specifically gay characters are depicted with little sympathy or understanding.

While on this topic, I wish to cite three other titles not yet mentioned here:

--"Der Tod der Maria Malibran" ("The Death of Maria Malibran"), a 1972 production for West German television, directed by Werner Schroeter and starring one of cinema's greatest actresses, Magdalena Montezuma, in the title role. This largely non-narrative experimental feature is ostensibly the story of the legendary opera singer Maria Malibran (1808-1836), but conveyed in such a refracted, fantastic way as to render any biographical verisimilitude inscrutable outside the specialist's purview. What Schroeter is really interested in here is evoking the world and aura of female performers, and specifically the special hold these ladies have long held over the imaginations of gay men. Although almost everyone in the film is a woman or a man playing a woman, this is one of the gayest films I have ever seen. It's also a masterpiece, and one of my favorite movies.

--"Loads" (1985), directed by Curt McDowell. This is the greatest film I have seen to date from the late McDowell, who was an independent filmmaker based in San Francisco. A powerful, experimental documentary of the artist as a sexual being, rawly exposing his hunger for physical intimacy with men. A masterwork of erotic film.

--"Beau travail" (1999), directed by Claire Denis. A loose adaptation of Herman Melville's novella 'Billy Budd', with the action transposed to the modern French Foreign Legion and Djibouti as the setting. This stands with "Brokeback Mountain" as one of the most hauntingly beautiful homoerotic films I have seen. The story shows how repressed homosexual desire can poison and destroy the lives of men. Denis Lavant, here playing the equivalent of Melville's Claggart, delivers a superb performance, and contributes unforgettably to making the film's closing moments both harrowing and enthralling at once.

Best regards,
Scott
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 07, 2006, 09:47:48 am
Thanks, Scott, for making me aware of all three films.  I had never heard of them before, and I'll definitely be checking them out.

Are they available on DVD?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on April 07, 2006, 10:46:58 am


Are they available on DVD?
To the best of my knowledge, "Beau travail" is the only one of these three currently available in DVD format. There is a Region 1 DVD put out by New Yorker Video, and a Region 2 DVD produced by Artificial Eye.

"Loads" exists in a VHS transfer, but I'm not sure if it's ever been commercially released that way. A print of the film can be leased through Canyon Cinema, based in San Francisco.

Cheers,
Scott
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on April 07, 2006, 03:23:27 pm


Are they available on DVD?
To the best of my knowledge, "Beau travail" is the only one of these three currently available in DVD format. There is a Region 1 DVD put out by New Yorker Video, and a Region 2 DVD produced by Artificial Eye.

"Loads" exists in a VHS transfer, but I'm not sure if it's ever been commercially released that way. A print of the film can be leased through Canyon Cinema, based in San Francisco.

Cheers,
Scott
Thanks Scott!  I was looking up Loads, but could only come across another movie from the same director that's coming to DVD.  It's called Thundercrack, and it looks like it has a real John Waters feel.  The movie Loads sounds pretty sexy, reminds me that a movie called Sex In The 70s that I missed in theaters is also coming out soon.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on April 07, 2006, 06:14:31 pm
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Thanks Scott!  I was looking up Loads, but could only come across another movie from the same director that's coming to DVD.  It's called Thundercrack, and it looks like it has a real John Waters feel.  The movie Loads sounds pretty sexy, reminds me that a movie called Sex In The 70s that I missed in theaters is also coming out soon.

Juan
Hi, Juan,

Yes, "Thundercrack!", I've seen that one, on a VHS transfer that was missing about eleven minutes of the original edit. It is very much in the John Waters spirit--in fact, Waters was a friend of McDowell's. The film's screenplay was written by George Kuchar, a legendary figure in the New York underground film scene of the 60's, who by that time had relocated to San Francisco and had become McDowell's lover. Kuchar was one of the figures who influenced Waters's early aesthetic.

Kuchar's script is zany and poetic at the same time--I can't think of any other movie with dialogue quite as idiosyncratic as this. The film is also distinguished by a lively piano score written and composed by Mark Ellinger, and some beautiful black-and-white cinematography courtesy of the director, replete with strikingly evocative lighting effects served up by Kuchar. Perhaps chief among the film's assets is the brilliant central performance by Marion Eaton as Mrs. Gert Hammond, the lady of the isolated farmhouse in which the story takes place. Eaton is extraordinary in delivering what is, in my opinion, one of the greatest performances in cinema history, and it's a shame that relatively few people will ever discover it due to the film's graphic sexual content.

I saw a movie quite recently called "Gay Sex in the 70s" that I think is the film to which you refer in your post. It was interesting, but was primarily limited to the gay scene in New York during that era. I would have enjoyed a broader geographical scope of the subject, but the film is still valuable for documenting and preserving the remarkable air of freedom and celebration that marked the immediate post-Stonewall period.

Very truly,
Scott
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 14, 2006, 10:16:44 am
I just watched "Longtime Companion" last night.  I hadn't seen it since it's initial theatrical release in 1990.  Longtime Companion was historically important because it put human faces on the AIDS epidemic for mainstream America.

This is a top-notch film in terms of production values and performances.  It's an in-depth examination of the AIDS epidemic and its effect on a group of friends.  It's sad, but the end has a big pay-off that's cathartic.  It feels really good to cry in the last scene.

When I first saw it 16 years ago, I knew only one actor in the large ensemble cast, Bruce Davison (who turns in one of his best performances ever).  It's really neat to discover that the I now recognized the other "unknowns," who had gone on to successful careers:

Campbell Scott
Mary Louise Parker
Patrick Cassidy (mostly TV)
Dermot Mulroney (who will appear in the upcoming "Zodiac" with Jake G.)
Stephen Caffrey (mostly TV)

and several other character actors ...  I recognized their faces but couldn't name them.

This is a truly fine film.



Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 17, 2006, 09:13:39 pm
OK, I'll help out in the lesbian film department.  I'll keep adding to it as I think of things...

Aimee and Jaguar (about a lesbian culture and a tortured romance in Germany during WWII... based on a true story)
Better Than Chocolate (classic but not very good, in my opinion)
Bound (awesome, awesome, awesome)
But I'm a Cheerleader (silly ... but fun and features Ru Paul out of drag!)
Chasing Amy
Claire of the Moon (classic, from the '80s and so dated that I can hardly stand to watch it)
Desert Hearts (not my favorite)
Gia (Angelina Jolie anyone?)
Girl Play
Go Fish (not my favorite, but very famous)
Fire (a film from India, which is beautiful and amazing... and was incredibly controversial, as one might imagine, when it was released in India)
High Art (lovely and based on the biography of a real artist)
The Hours
The Hunger (not the most *positive* depiction of lesbians... but *hot* nonetheless... plus it has David Bowie in it... always a plus for me)
Imagine Me and You (very recently in theaters)
The Incredibly True Story of Two Girls in Love (silly, fun, a bit teeny-bopper and really like Sixteen Candles or Pretty in Pink for lesbians)
Lost and Delirious (good and sad)
Monster
Saving Face (about Chinese American lesbians, very recent)
My Summer of Love (very recently in theaters)

***
Not really films but BRILLIANT
The BBC has been making Sarah Waters' wonderful lesbian novels (they truly are wonderful) into very high quality mini-series.  I truly recommend checking these out... they're on DVD of course.
Tipping the Velvet (awesome, awesome, awesome)
Fingersmith (awesome, awesome, awesome)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 18, 2006, 11:03:10 am
Wow, I knew about only a few of these.  Thanks!

I recently watched the only lesbian film in my collection, "The Children's Hour" with Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine, from (openly-gay) Lillian Hellman's play.

Written in the 50's, the play is very dated and it's maddening how the sterotypes are presented.  Of course, the lesbian must die in the end...  such a bummer.

On the one hand, it does show the evil of homophobia, because it's about how lives are ruined by just the accusation of homosexuality.   On the other hand, the homophobia is presented as "normal" and I doubt  viewers in the 50's and 60's would "get it." 

I own it because it was historically important in gay cinema, and because it was a movie I would watch on TV as a child, an example of the kind of thing gay youth were exposed to in those days.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on April 18, 2006, 04:47:58 pm
Heya Impish,
Good call on The Children's Hour.  I forgot to mention that one.  Also The Haunting (the original good version) has a lesbian character and in many, subtle ways is about lesbianism (also not probably the most *positive* depiction).
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 18, 2006, 07:07:25 pm
Yes, I own the 1965 version of The Haunting and also the book it's based on, Shirley Jackson's The Haunting of Hill House.

In the book, Theo's sexuality is a teensy-weensy bit more overt than in the movie.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on April 19, 2006, 05:34:07 pm
Saw the movie "Bent" last night, for the first time.

Very powerful stuff, quite depressing story,
Saw it again with my man and friends the other night. Better the second time. I remembered it as piercingly sad, and this time I saw the uplifting parts better, especially the tiny signal Horst gives to Max just before he dies.
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but I'm glad there's a movie out there to remind people that Nazi's terrorized gay people too.
Apparently the first inkling the west got of that was in the first film of The Producers (1968).
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on April 19, 2006, 07:44:59 pm
Watched "Prick Up Your Ears" the biopic of Joe Orton, gay British playwright of the comedies "Entertaining Mr. Sloane" and "Loot," who was murdered by his "lover" (not the right word for their relationship) out of jealousy for Orton's success.

Gary Oldman portrays Orton, Alfred Molina his "longtime companion" and Vanessa Redgrave his agent.  All three give strong performances.

A very good, strong, film.  (Note: The title is the kind of double-entendre Orton was famous for.)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: David on April 20, 2006, 10:58:53 pm
Don't forget the "Broken Hearts Club" with heart throb Dean Cain.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0222850/

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on April 25, 2006, 02:09:50 pm
Saw the movie "Bent" last night, for the first time.

Very powerful stuff, quite depressing story,
Saw it again with my man and friends the other night. Better the second time. I remembered it as piercingly sad, and this time I saw the uplifting parts better, especially the tiny signal Horst gives to Max just before he dies.

and the "sex" scene, where they're stand apart, is one of the sexiest thing to me. but yes, it's a quite beautiful film. I wish I'd seen the stage version, but I have a feeling the actual setting in the film helped it feel less austere. Actually seeing the sky in the background must help it to not be completely bleak.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: TJ on May 01, 2006, 12:43:59 pm
"The Sum of Us" was a very good movie. And, being the older man that I am, I liked Jack Thompson who played the gay man's father who tried to be a matchmaker for his gay son. Visually speaking, Thompson is my kind of sexy man. That movie is also about homophobia in society, too.

When "Cruising" was shown here in Tulsa, I was in the closet and it was shown at a theater in local large strip mall shopping center. A reporter with a camera from a local TV station was interviewing people who had gone to see it the afternoon I went. While I was not interviewed, I did appear on camera just long enough to be recognized by those who might have recognized me. But, since the entrance to the lobby was in a breezeway which led to more stores on the other side, if asked by someone who knew me, I could have lied and said that I merely walked past the theater. I went to see the movie because of the local publicity. I am not into the leather scene at all.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lumière on May 02, 2006, 12:09:29 am
I haven't read all the posts on this thread yet, but I haven't noticed anyone mention the movie: Priest.

I have the DVD and I have seen it tons of times already.  Amazing film, was pretty controversial when it came out years ago too (what with the gay Catholic priest context and all  ;D) -  I LOVE this film!  Anyone seen it?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 02, 2006, 02:52:29 am
What does any one think of "Steam". Not a significant film, but I still thought it was lovely and beautiful. I never thought of Budapest as being romantic, but this film makes a good case for it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on May 04, 2006, 07:51:59 am
I recently watched the only lesbian film in my collection, "The Children's Hour" with Audrey Hepburn and Shirley MacLaine, from (openly-gay) Lillian Hellman's play.

Openly gay? She was partner of (married to?) Dashiel Hammett. I never heard a hint she wasn't devoted to him, and he to her. And he was strait enough, wasn't he?

I think you'll find The Children's Hour has been delesbianised (new word for you) compared to the play, but the first film made from it, These Threes (1936) so delesibianised it as to change one character's sex. Some critics at IMDb think it's the better film, though.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on May 04, 2006, 10:45:08 am
While on the subject of lesbian themes in film, I thought I'd mention G.W. Pabst's late silent classic Pandora's Box (Die Buchse der Pandora), filmed in Germany in 1928. Not a lesbian film per se, this classic adaptation of Wedekind's Lulu plays (the same source for Alban Berg's landmark opera) features one of the earliest portrayals of a lesbian character in cinema, that of the Countess played by Alice Roberts. The Countess is but one of the many who fall under the spell of femme fatale Lulu, played by the legendary Louise Brooks in her single most famous role.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on May 04, 2006, 10:52:03 am
I loved Priest.  I liked that the younger priest's sexuality wasn't the sole focus, but one of the conflicts within the Church.  The very last scene always gets me welled up.

Wasn't Steam set in Turkey?  I only saw it once and can't remember it very well.  Prick Up Your Ears is excellent, and very entertaining.  That was Stephen Frear's second gay-themed movie after My Beautiful Laundrette, another classic.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 04, 2006, 11:18:10 am
Openly gay? She was partner of (married to?) Dashiel Hammett. I never heard a hint she wasn't devoted to him, and he to her. And he was strait enough, wasn't he?

Strange.  I don't know where I got the idea that she was lesbian, but I just googled the issue and I can't find any evidence to back me up.

She never married Hammett formally, don't know why.

I've believed she was lesbian for years and years now.  To learn she may have been straight all along comes as quite a shock!   :o

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 04, 2006, 10:31:36 pm
Lots of gay/ lesbian people get married (see Jack and Ennis  :D ) and even sometimes get along quite well with their "marriage of convenience" spouses.  Virginia Woolf was married, obviously to Leonard Woolf, and they had a very interesting (if fraught relationship).  But she considered herself a lesbian (she used the word "Sapphist").  I think this (the dilemma of being a closeted lesbian married to a man) is a very subtle subtext to the book Mrs. Dalloway.  Virginia's most well-known girlfriend, Vita Sackville-West was also married to a man (he was gay too).  And Vita was really, really a lesbian, but I also think she quite liked her husband as a friend, etc.

People can be kooky.  :D
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lumière on May 05, 2006, 12:53:43 am
I loved Priest.  I liked that the younger priest's sexuality wasn't the sole focus, but one of the conflicts within the Church.  The very last scene always gets me welled up.
Juan

Agreed!  Priest was not solely focussed on Father Greg's sexuality or his battle with accepting his homosexuality - it questioned alot of issues in the Catholic Church in a very evocative manner.  I just loved everything about this film - I could see the young priest tearing himself inside because of his attraction to men, his questioning of his faith in God and his responsibilities as a priest.   Awesome film, others who haven't seen it should definitely check it out!  :)

I just recently bought "Mysterious Skin" and saw it for the first time last night.  Great film, very disturbing in many ways - but very well-done!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 05, 2006, 09:28:21 pm
Anyone seen "Bostal Boys"? It's a beautiful little film about Irish writer, Brendan Behan, and the time he spent as a teen in reform prison. I'm not sure how much of it is fictionalized and how much is biographical. I believe that in his writing the homosexuality is more overt than in the film.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00006SFL3/103-0988545-5373422?v=glance&n=130
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: TJ on May 05, 2006, 09:49:50 pm
A historically "fact" based movie which was presented as a "heterosexual" movie was "The Grey Fox," with Richard Farnsworth playing the main true life character, Bill Miner, who was called a "Gentleman Bandit." Miner was a real person who robbed stagecoaches and after he got out of prison, he robbed trains instead.

His biographers, two newspaper men, would only claim that Miner was only "homosexual in prison," but their own research actually shows his sexual orientation as homosexual. I say that because no matter where he went, Miner always ended up with a male companion. One time, he was supposed to have married the daughter of a man who was trying to be a social climber by having her marry Miner, whom he thought owned a gold mine in California. Just before the wedding was to have taken place, Miner suddenly left town with another man.

The movie gave him female love interest in Kamloops, up in Canada; but, she never existed in the findings of the researchers.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 06, 2006, 09:19:11 am
I watched "My Beautiful Laundrette" recently, and I must confess I've never understood why this film became so popular.

The script is unfocused:  what's the movie about?  The romance?  Race relations in England?  Father-son relationships?    There are other possibilities, as every story-line componenet is given equal weight, leaving the viewer floundering. 

The script wanders and can never make up its mind about the point it's trying to make.  Why was this movie such a big hit?

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on May 07, 2006, 02:59:49 am
I watched "My Beautiful Laundrette" recently, and I must confess I've never understood why this film became so popular.

The script is unfocused:  what's the movie about?  The romance?  Race relations in England?  Father-son relationships?    There are other possibilities, as every story-line componenet is given equal weight, leaving the viewer floundering. 

The script wanders and can never make up its mind about the point it's trying to make.  Why was this movie such a big hit?
Well I haven't seen it for a while, but you need to know a little about not only race relations in England, but that it was Thatcher's Britian, which put a lot of pressure on working people. The opening scene of someone getting tipped out of their flat sets the scene. Some of your comments could be made about BBM - and have - and the answers are the same. Watch it carefully, reading between the lines. I'm not saying it's as good as BBM or anything like it, but like BBM it deserves careful attention.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 08, 2006, 02:12:31 am
I watched "My Beautiful Laundrette" recently, and I must confess I've never understood why this film became so popular.

The script is unfocused:  what's the movie about?  The romance?  Race relations in England?  Father-son relationships?    There are other possibilities, as every story-line componenet is given equal weight, leaving the viewer floundering. 

The script wanders and can never make up its mind about the point it's trying to make.  Why was this movie such a big hit?



i guess i might agree with you. i remember barely anything from that film. the only vivid image is a scene where the two men meet on the street. they hug and Daniel's character licks the other guy on the neck. that was sexy and flirty. other than that, i don't remember anything about it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: kudzudaddy on May 11, 2006, 08:39:10 pm
Impish --

great thread.  Much fodder for thought.

I haven't seen mentioned "Total Eclipse"  and "Before Night Falls."

Total - is a pretty good take on the Rimbaud/Verlaine romance and Before is a true story also about aCuban poet.  It's brutal and heart rending with a devastating performance from Javier Bardem ( I think).  Also a cameo from Johnny Depp which will blow your mind.

Re:  The La Cage films.  Only the first is watchable.  The second is just a rehash and the third is UNWATCHABLE.

There's also a Dutch film...  called, I believe, "For the love of a Soldier" or something like that.  A modern day artist remembers his affair with a canadian flyer during the war when he was 12.  Certainly the only pederastic film I know and, aside from some "arty" touches, extremely well done.

Two others, NOT gay films but with strong homophile subtexts, are "Birdy" and "Gallipoli."  Both well worth watching on their merits.

Just my 2 cents...

--Kudz

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on May 11, 2006, 09:06:43 pm

Two others, NOT gay films but with strong homophile subtexts, are "Birdy" and "Gallipoli."  Both well worth watching on their merits.


Another film which is not homosexually themed per se (though in this case lesbian-themed per se would be more accurate), but which nonetheless evokes a strong sense of love and desire among females, is the 1975 Australian classic Picnic at Hanging Rock, directed by Peter Weir and based on the novel by Joan Lindsay. A haunting fantasy set in the rural Victoria of 1900, this lovely film engenders a strong sense of melancholy yearning and wonder.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: kudzudaddy on May 11, 2006, 10:03:05 pm
moremojo

Both Picnic at Hanging Rock and Gallipoli were directed by Peter Weir.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on May 11, 2006, 10:28:09 pm
moremojo

Both Picnic at Hanging Rock and Gallipoli were directed by Peter Weir.


True...somehow I wasn't thinking of that when typing out my post. The same director's Dead Poets Society is another film that, while not ostensibly homosexual in theme, has been cited by some critics as subtly suggestive of that area.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Aussie Chris on May 11, 2006, 10:51:47 pm
True...somehow I wasn't thinking of that when typing out my post. The same director's Dead Poets Society is another film that, while not ostensibly homosexual in theme, has been cited by some critics as subtly suggestive of that area.

There was a gay character in DPS though wasn't there?  The one that commited suicide?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: kudzudaddy on May 11, 2006, 11:14:40 pm
Indeed there was...

And, OT, here but, damn!, AussieChris... you are awfully cute!

Now, back to your regularly scheduled thread.

--Kudz
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Aussie Chris on May 11, 2006, 11:41:52 pm
And, OT, here but, damn!, AussieChris... you are awfully cute!

With emphasis on the "awful"!  ;)  He he, just kidding, thanks Kudz.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: kudzudaddy on May 11, 2006, 11:55:54 pm
lol, chris...

I used the word in its original sense -- inspiring awe....

(wink)

--Kudz
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: mike348 on May 16, 2006, 04:35:57 pm
One that I watched many years ago on TV in the UK was "Consenting Adult".  It was later repeated on another channel but was cut to pieces so lost all its impact about a young guy discovering he is gay and against his parents wishes finally accepts.  There's a very sad end as the homophobic father dies and the son returns to visit the mother with his partner only to find a letter from his father regretting his views and accepting he loves his son.  Very sad at the end.

Unfortunately the movie has never made it onto video or DVD, unless someone knows differently as I would like to get a copy after being so affected by BBM.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 16, 2006, 06:56:18 pm
Just watched "Making Love" last night, for the first time since its release in 1981. 

The good:  brave for its time,  not one swishy stereotype in it, and I want to lick Michael Ontkean head to toe.

The bad:   it feels like a soap opera and Kate Jackson is simply terrible in it.

It absolutely pales when compared to Brokeback Mountain, but then, most of 'em do.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 16, 2006, 06:58:53 pm

I haven't seen mentioned "Total Eclipse"  and "Before Night Falls."


i second "Before Night Falls". I loved that depiction of Havana's renaissance just before the fall. That period of growth in Cuban literature, art and music seemed so romantic. Which of course makes it's fall so much more tragic. And Javier Bardem is amazing in that film.

also, has anyone seen "Buck and Chuck"? Okay, not sure if I'd call it a gay friendly film. It's weird and quirky but good.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on May 17, 2006, 12:55:50 am
i second "Before Night Falls". I loved that depiction of Havana's renaissance just before the fall. That period of growth in Cuban literature, art and music seemed so romantic. Which of course makes it's fall so much more tragic. And Javier Bardem is amazing in that film.

also, has anyone seen "Buck and Chuck"? Okay, not sure if I'd call it a gay friendly film. It's weird and quirky but good.
Total Eclipse is kinda funky, especially coming from the director of a great flick like Europa Europa.  Eclipse has kind of become more known for having a full frontal nude shot of Leonardo DiCaprio (who, TLA Video quips, isn't so 'titanic').

Before Night Falls was terrific, loved it.  I have a couple of clients who actually did go through some of the torture that he endures in the book/movie, it was heinous.  Personally I still don't have a grip on how to evaluate Castro's influence on Cuba, but the movie is great, especially for Johnny Depp as a smuggling drag queen.

And Chuck and Buck, what a cool, funny movie!  Very atypical 'gay movie', more about obsession and the desire to stay a child.  The two male stars are good, but Lupe Ontivero really knocked it out in that movie.  Definitely worth a rent if you're in the mood for a very offbeat movie.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 17, 2006, 09:43:11 am
"Before Night Falls" has been on my To-Buy list for quite some time now...  I'll bump up its priority now that both of you recommend it.

I'd never heard of "Total Eclipse" or "Buck and Chuck" but will now definitely check 'em out.

Last night, I watched a documentary "The God Who Wasn't There."  Not a gay film but does briefly discuss the harm christianity has done -- and is doing -- to gay people.  I was pleased to see something I've believed quite some time now:  that fundamentalists are right about the bible, and instead of stretching for explanations, gay christians should question the bible (and its religion) itself.   The film itself is short -- about an hour -- but the DVD includes over an hour of  extended interviews with the christians and atheists that appear in the film.  These are fascinating in and of themselves.  Not for the fearful, but I recommend it.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on May 17, 2006, 09:57:37 am
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Just watched "Making Love" last night, for the first time since its release in 1981. 

The good:  brave for its time,  not one swishy stereotype in it, and I want to lick Michael Ontkean head to toe.
Tststss!!  :laugh:  I've liked Michael Ontkean for a long time now (even before seeing Making Love for the first time back in 2002 or so). I had seen a little scene of it in "Celluloid Closet" and couldn't wait to finally get the VHS or DVD! I try to see every movie he has been in, but there are not many.. or at least not many very good ones. Too bad, really! There is this rather cheezy "Just the Way You Are" with Kristy McNichol which I like.. and there is a mini-series "Family Album" from 1994 or 1996, which is a bit cheezy too, but interesting, [spoiler ahead!] because his character finds out that his son is gay and reacts badly.

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The bad:   it feels like a soap opera and Kate Jackson is simply terrible in it.
Yep! I agree 100%

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I'd never heard of "Total Eclipse" or "Buck and Chuck" but will now definitely check 'em out.
Never?! "Total Eclipse" with Leo DiCaprio!?   ;D

I have been waiting for "Burnt Money" (Plata Quemada) to come out on DVD, but I'm still waiting..

~ j U d E

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 18, 2006, 07:12:12 pm
A new shipment just arrived, and guess what's in it?  Before Night Falls.

I'd completely forgotten I'd ordered it.  So I'll be seeing it for the first time this weekend.

Also included was "Andre's Mother" a one-act play by Terrence McNally that was filmed for PBS.  Quite the tear-jerker about the relationship between a mother who just lost her son to AIDS and her son's lover (played superbly by whats'isname... you know... he also play  John-Boy Walton...  oh!  Richard Thomas).
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Post by: Shuggy on May 21, 2006, 11:09:35 pm
Watched "Prick Up Your Ears" the biopic of Joe Orton, gay British playwright of the comedies "Entertaining Mr. Sloane" and "Loot," who was murdered by his "lover" (not the right word for their relationship) out of jealousy for Orton's success.
Rage that Orton was claiming credit for Halliwell's work, more, though how much Halliwell contributed is moot.

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(Note: The title is the kind of double-entendre Orton was famous for.)
It was the name of an unfinished play of his, I think.

I've just seen "Trick", that doesn't seem to have been mentioned here. It's a story about an innocent young writer of out-of-date musicals who picks up / is picked up by a go-go dancer. They spend the night looking for somewhere to have sex and during the course of that they find more. It's a bedroom farce in the way they keep being thwarted, but very ingenious in the setups and resolutions. Particularly amusing is the way people (especially the musician) will say something obliquely and be misunderstood. Then someone (expecially the dancer) will say the same thing direct and be either misunderstood or ignored. Torri Spelling is well cast as the inotolerable would-be singer-dancer friend of the musician.

It reminded me of BBM in its attraction of opposites and underlying message of "seize the moment".
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 22, 2006, 09:59:29 am
Rage that Orton was claiming credit for Halliwell's work, more, though how much Halliwell contributed is moot.

No, at least that's not how the movie portrays it.  Orton's hits were all his own, and Halliwell was enraged that Orton did not want -- or need -- his input.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 23, 2006, 09:00:00 am
Saw "Before Night Falls" last night.

An important film.  A true story, it taught me a lot about Cuban history.  And while it followed the life of gay writer Reinaldo Arenas, it managed to show that his persecution was part of a larger campaign against the intelligentsia.

The screeplay uses an interesting approach of showing both what really happened and the fantasies, thoughts, and hopes in the mind of Arenas as well.  Similar to BBM's use of the "tire iron" story: did that happen,  or only what Ennis thought happened?  That kind of thing runs through "Before Night Falls" and it can be a bit bewildering at times trying to sort out what was what.  But this is not a criticism; the technique involves you in the story and lets you in on Arenas' thought process. 

I recognized Johnny Depp in both of his cameo roles, but missed Sean Penn entirely.  I'll be looking for him during my second viewing.

I'm very happy to have this film in my collection.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on May 23, 2006, 06:59:10 pm
The book is really good as well.  He's written other books, and I think poetry, but I've only read this one.  It later helped me to understand some of the Cuban clients I have who actually went through a lot of what he did - the imprisonment, the torture, the boat lifts, the new lives in the US and dealing with AIDS. 

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 23, 2006, 07:50:34 pm
Before Night Falls really is a good movie.  I haven't thought about that one in a long time.
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Post by: JCinNYC2006 on May 23, 2006, 07:56:20 pm
Oh!  Another movie that I was waiting for on DVD that just came out...The Mudge Boy.  Very sad, harsh story about a boy who loses his mother and befriends a neighborhood tough.   Emile Hirsch is in it and I hadn't seen him before.  Very sweet story, I could relate to the kid a lot...

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 23, 2006, 07:57:56 pm
Before Night Falls really is a good movie.  I haven't thought about that one in a long time.

Hey, Amanda!  Where U been???
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 23, 2006, 08:33:02 pm
Here and there.
lol
 ;)

But seriously, mostly in my normal haunts of "Open Forum" and CT.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brown Eyes on May 27, 2006, 07:53:53 pm
Heya again,

OK so here's another lesbian movie... All Over Me.  It's another one that qualifies as a teen movie geared towards young gay people.  It's quite a dark movie though.


I could have missed it here on this thread... but has anyone mentioned Trick yet?  I remember being really pleasantly surprised by that movie.  Also, has anyone seen the Lost Language of Cranes (based on the David Leavitt book)?  I'd be interested in hearing reactions to that one (or the book for that matter).
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 28, 2006, 11:26:16 am
Yes, Trick was mentioned somewhere in here, and I add your voice to the others who have recommended it to me.  I really must see it.

I read the Lost Language of Cranes when it first came out, and the only thing I remember was that I enjoyed it.  Didn't know there was a movie of it.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 29, 2006, 01:09:32 pm
Trick abd Billy's Hollwood Screen Kisses are two really fun movies, that most of my friends refuse to admit they like. They not great intellectual movies to be sure, and they don't have social/political commentary. They are what When Harry Met Sally is meant to be. Just fun, light movies. I enjoyed them a lot, but I hesitate to recommend them, because it's easy for people to put them down for being light and not serious.

I agree with Shuggy. I love Tori Spelling in Trick. Her one monologues in the diner really showed her comedic chops.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 30, 2006, 02:29:16 pm
Can I add the Xmen series to this list?  ;D
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on May 30, 2006, 07:49:44 pm
I think so...  I just read the article in The Advocate about the gay themes underlying the X-Men films.  I've never seen any of them, and was thinking I should rent the first two to prepare for seeing the new one now in theatres.

Are the first two as obvious as the new one is supposed to be?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on May 30, 2006, 07:56:12 pm
I would say that probably the second one highlights some of the outsider similarities, especially with gay people, a bit more, one scene in particular.  The first one does as well, but the newness of concept of mutants, in the movie's world, is different.  The opening scene sets up nicely the sense of prejudice in the first one, while the second one takes it further and has more of a parallel to the stigmatization of LGBTs.

Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on May 31, 2006, 02:27:51 am
yeah, in the second one, there was a scene confronting parents of one mutant boy. it played out like a coming out conversation.
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Post by: Aussie Chris on May 31, 2006, 03:05:04 am
yeah, in the second one, there was a scene confronting parents of one mutant boy. it played out like a coming out conversation.

Yeah quite right starby, the line where the mother asks: "have you ever tried not  being a mutant" is pretty analogous to coming out dialogue.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on June 01, 2006, 07:21:34 am
While on the subject of lesbian themes in film, I thought I'd mention G.W. Pabst's late silent classic Pandora's Box (Die Buchse der Pandora), filmed in Germany in 1928. Not a lesbian film per se, this classic adaptation of Wedekind's Lulu plays (the same source for Alban Berg's landmark opera) features one of the earliest portrayals of a lesbian character in cinema, that of the Countess played by Alice Roberts. The Countess is but one of the many who fall under the spell of femme fatale Lulu, played by the legendary Louise Brooks in her single most famous role.

OMG!  Somebody else here has actually seen this  movie.   I tried to describe it once for someone, who told  me it sounded like "Looking for Mr. Goodbar" set in 1920's Germany...  Couldn't get him to actually watch it though. 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: TOoP/Bruce on June 01, 2006, 07:31:59 am

I'd never heard of "Total Eclipse" or "Buck and Chuck" but will now definitely check 'em out.


I've seen Total Eclipse.  If you want to see Leo DiCaprio in the nude or pulling a cork out of bottle with his bare shoulder blades I can recommend it.  Otherwise, I thought the movie was so depressing that I gave my copy away to someone else who wanted it, since I knew I wouldn't ever watch it again.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 01, 2006, 06:30:45 pm
Did anyone see Summer Storm, that came out earlier this year. It's a small film from France(?) about gay boys on a rowing team. Having been a rower myself, I really wanted to catch it, but it came and went in a week here in LA.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 01, 2006, 07:29:15 pm
Can I add the Xmen series to this list?  ;D

I just saw X-Men III this afternoon.  I was disappointed in it, but perhaps I should have stuck to my original plan and rent the other two first.....
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 02, 2006, 07:44:13 am
Did anyone see Summer Storm, that came out earlier this year. It's a small film from France(?) about gay boys on a rowing team. Having been a rower myself, I really wanted to catch it, but it came and went in a week here in LA.
Yes! I've seen (and recorded) it last week! I had heard about it a while ago, but like "Beautiful Thing" I thought this is yet another 'teenage' romance, which I wouldn't be able to relate to (my teenage years are well over..), but I was very pleasantly surprised!! By the way it's a German movie.

I have digital television for 2 months now or so and I have 6+ exclusively movie-channels. I get a programme every first of the month (yesterday for June) and mark in red all I need to see/tape. So I taped "Sommersturm" and "De-Lovely". I like them both a lot! I didn't know much about any of them, so discovering it 'unspoiled' was wonderful (I'm still grieving about the fact that I knew far too much about BBM before seeing it the first time..).

It's not out on DVD yet, I know, but, if you get a chance to see "Sommersturm" do! It is a beautiful little film. I won't reveal too much, but there are very sweet moments and watch out for the character called 'Leo'! MAJOR-CUTE! ;o)

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 03, 2006, 02:41:27 am
So I taped "Sommersturm" and "De-Lovely". I like them both a lot!
I was a bit disappointed by De-lovely. They downplayed his gayness in several ways: it was all off-camera, and definitely second-place to his marriage, which other biographies deny. And then they sneered at Night and Day for downplaying it more. According to one biography, "You're the Top" means just what it says. He also had some alternate words for use at private functions. If I can find them I'll post them here.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 03, 2006, 12:29:49 pm
I was a bit disappointed by De-lovely. They downplayed his gayness in several ways: it was all off-camera, and definitely second-place to his marriage, which other biographies deny. And then they sneered at Night and Day for downplaying it more. According to one biography, "You're the Top" means just what it says. He also had some alternate words for use at private functions. If I can find them I'll post them here.

I agree. From the film, I thought his reluctance to leave Venic and later New York City were both times because he was emotionally invested in his relationships with the men he was seeing. I felt like his time in NYC, his relationship with the actor most likely was as significant to him as, if not more than, his marriage. I wished they'd gotten that balance. I also think though his wife, acted as if it was fine with her, his relationships with me must have affected her in some way in those years. After all in the social scene of NYC and Venice, he was known as a homosexual, so she would have had people treating her as his beard.

Speaking of Kevin Kline, I saw Sophie's Choice long ago, and always thought that there was a homo-eroticism in Nathan and Stingo. Did anyone else think so? In particular, the scene where Nathan showed up with presents for Sophie and for Stingo. It seemed to imply to me that Nathan had the same relationship with Stingo that he had with Sophie. Am I way off here, or did others think so too?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 04, 2006, 04:12:10 am
Our OutTakes GLBT film festival is now on. Some good movies that might not be released in your part of the US yet.


History:
Screaming Queens: the riot at Comptons Cafe documents a pre-Stonewall riot of drag-queens and gay hustlers at a popular meeting place in SF's Tenderloin in 1966. About five queens were the talking heads, none of the hustlers - probably couldn't be found (and probably aren't with us). A reminder of what the oppression was like in some of our living memories.

Gay Sex in the 70s should have been called Gay Sex in New York in the 70s (Stonewall to AIDS). Lots of flares, moustaches and blow-j^hwaves. Oh yes, BJs too. It covered very well the exuberance of the sexuality in those days. No dividing line between obsession, addiction and what everyone was doing, from the anonymous and risky sleaze of the trucks on the docks and the abandoned piers (falling through the floor into the river was one) to the public, exclusive and wealthy sleaze of Studio 54, with bathhouses and back rooms in between, and many a quickie in corners on the street. Quite a bit about Fire Island. About 10 survivors were the talking heads, including Larry Kramer, photographer Peter Bianchi, the gay doctor who noticed a disproportionate number of gay men in a cancer ward with a rare skin lesion, and the architect of Studio 54. One interesting point was that before AIDS appeared, there were a lot of STDs, but some doctors felt that they, being curable, were a small price to pay for the liberation people were experiencing. Condoms were unthinkable. With no test, by the time people were showing any signs, they had infected many others. It was the community itself (starting with Kramer) who did the hard yards of blowing the whistle on the epidemic and taking care of the dying. Not a sexual movie, it didn't deserve the late-night slot it got.

Original Pride: the Satyrs Motocycle Club of LA celebrated its 50th anniversary in 2004, the oldest gay club in the world. Lots of beer and bears (but not so called) and leather. Basically they used their bikes to get together without a venue. They were hard hit by the epidemic too, of course. They used to (maybe still do) have an annual gathering at a place called Badger Flat, featuring lots of beer, bonfires and a drag show. The drag was burlesque, of course, and always had a Kate Smith lipsynching "America the Beautiful". Over 50 years, they only had 200 members, but lots of hangers on. You got recruited without knowing it; some beer/sex buddies would just get you some time and say "You're now a Satyr".

Doco:
Chris Kris And I (NZ 10 mins) about 3 local guys in a menage-a-trois.

Comedy:
Gay Volleyball saved my life quite funny.

Feature:
Hildes Reise (Hilde's Journey, Switzerland, in German with French/English subtitles), about a poor carpenter whose former lover has died of AIDS and has to decide whether to carry our his last wishes and scatter the ashes in the sea off France, or accept his a fraction of his inheritance from the phobic relatives. A later and last lover takes matters into his own hands, so it's a sort of road movie. Quite appealing and engaging. We never see the deceased.
 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: twistedude on June 04, 2006, 06:05:59 am
Loved "Parting Glances," Breaking the Code" (hey, you didn't believe all that
 "Enigma" shit, did you)?--with Derek Jacobi, "A Man oif No Importrance,"
"Angels in America," "Gods and Monsters,"  "The Naked Civil Servant," (John Hurt's abouit my favorite actor.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 04, 2006, 10:22:14 pm
Documentary

eXposed, a makiing-of about the gay porn movie BuckleRoos mainly over two weeks at a farm homestead outside Sacremento. Like all making-ofs (and unlike a couple of other docos I've seen about the making of porn), it doesn't ask any of the hard questions, eg about drugs, money or Viagra. (As far as money goes, it's telling that all the actors had other jobs: Marcus Iron is a landscape gardener. One of the others is putting himself through law school.) As porn it wasn't very satisfactory, sometimes deliberately obscuring the objects of attention. Still, it gave some idea about how the participants felt about themselves. For the crew it was very much just another job. For one of the actors, whose other job was HIV educator, it was a bit of a mission. For the producer it was art, yeah right, aint it always? Still it does seem they went to more than the usual amount of trouble to write a story that hangs together, and any porn movie that brings in the Mormons off the front doorstep is all right by me. Pity the Mormons looked about 15.

It got pretty self-indulgent at the end, when BuckleRoos won 11 GayNV awards, "more than any in the history of the awards" - all of six years.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 05, 2006, 07:38:34 am
Shorts:
A Crimson Mark (Korea 13mins) Two courtiers in the court of a boy king are in opposing (colour-coded!) factions of a dispute about an obscure piece of protocol. The growing love of one for the other confuses the issue.

Invulnerable (Spain, 25 mins) A schoolteacher is diagnosed HIV positive and has flashbacks of how he might have caught it and who he might have given it to.

Machulenco (Spain, but set in Argentina, 15 mins) If you know Bierce's "Incident at Owl Creek" you'll know the ending to this one, but there is a twist. A writer about to be executed needs time to visit his lover and finish his manuscript, "Machulenco", about a mysterious time/place where time is fluid and the imagination reigns. Uplifting and sad at the same time.

Marco Solo (Australia, a film school exercise, like many festival shorts, 9 mins) Nine year old Marco, Sicilian so of course Catholic, lives in Moony Ponds, Melbourne, so of course when he wants a room of his own, he prays to - St Edna.


Feature (Mild spoilerage)
When I'm 64 BBC TV (2004)







Story about a London taxi-driver, bit of a tough in his youth, who picks up a just-retired schoolteacher (never had any other life than the school) supposedly to take him to Heathrow for a trip to Botswana. We see the relationship develop across their classes in the face of the driver's family's incomprehension and homophobia and the teacher's commitment to his ageing father. It's a feelgood movie and a date movie (expecially for those over a certain age, but it would probably be good for younger gayfolk to see too).
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on June 06, 2006, 10:06:31 am
Our OutTakes GLBT film festival is now on. Some good movies that might not be released in your part of the US yet.
<snip>
Comedy:
Gay Volleyball saved my life quite funny.
<snip>
Wow, you've actually seen this?  Someone from my volleyball league made it!  I've never seen it though, how is it?
Juan
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 06, 2006, 06:34:39 pm
I saw "Mambo Italiano" yesterday for the very first time and I really liked it! I have read pretty bad, but also pretty good critics about it. Have you seen it? What did you think about it?

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 06, 2006, 06:44:01 pm
I was a bit disappointed by De-lovely. They downplayed his gayness in several ways: it was all off-camera, and definitely second-place to his marriage, which other biographies deny. And then they sneered at Night and Day for downplaying it more. According to one biography, "You're the Top" means just what it says. He also had some alternate words for use at private functions. If I can find them I'll post them here.
You are right. I think I read some of his biography on the internet and they make it quite clear that his marriage was a marriage of convenience. It also says that many of his songs were about his gay love and he seemed to have had many more gay relationships in real life, than the ones 'shown' in the film. But still, I liked it and it made me 'discover' Cole Porter, who I only really knew about, because I had heard his name (a bit like Johnny Cash and the movie "Walk the Line").

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 07, 2006, 05:29:44 am
I saw Both at our festival last night. It's not exactly gay-themed, so I've put my review (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2389.msg38347#msg38347) in Anything Goes.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 11, 2006, 08:46:24 pm
Last two films at our GLBT festival, both features:

Loggerheads
A handsome blond arrives at Kure Beach, North Carolina, to look at the loggerhead turtles. A gay motelier saves him from arrest for sleeping on the beach and... Meanwhile* in Eden, NC, a minister's wife, a secret smoker, frets about her son, who has left home, and about the two men with a child who have moved in over the road, and about her wayward neighbour who has put a Michaelangelo's David replica in the front lawn "where anyone can see it". Meanwhile* a rental car dealer in another town quits her job and tries to find the son she gave up for adoption. (The NC closed adoption system is heartless.) These threads wind around each other, coming to a sad but satisfying conclusion. What makes for problems is the "meanwhile". From the subtitles, some of these things happen a year or more apart. My interpretation differed from my patrner's. Both the blond and the motelier are easy on the eye.

Night Watch
A young hustler in Buenos Aires has a variety of encounters, some rather strange, over the course of one night. He lives an edgy life among the scavangers, crooks, derelicts and people who get by. I thought this was going to be nothing but a series of Fellini-esque vignettes (the Beta gave trouble and some people walked out, probably left with that impression) but a final encounter just before dawn makes all the others clear. I'd only give this a C+: Acting adequate, story OK, cinematography hard to tell with our substandard projection. One sexual encounter - and the man he had it with - is quite hot (what follows is not). I didn't regret seeing it, nor feel wildly glad I did.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 12, 2006, 06:26:15 am
I was a bit disappointed by De-lovely. They downplayed his gayness in several ways: it was all off-camera, and definitely second-place to his marriage, which other biographies deny. And then they sneered at Night and Day for downplaying it more. According to one biography, "You're the Top" means just what it says. He also had some alternate words for use at private functions. If I can find them I'll post them here.
Here are the words:
  You're the top, You're Miss Pinkham's tonic
   You're the top, You're a high colonic
   You're the burning heat of a bridal suite in use,
   You're the tits of Venus, you're King Kong's penis
   You're self-abuse.

(and Lydia Pinkham's medicinal compound later got a song of its own, Lily the Pink.)
I found this in a review I wrote of a book about Cole Porter and Noel Coward (http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2612.0), which I've posted on a thread of its own.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 24, 2006, 09:30:34 am
Upon the recommendation of several of you, I added "Trick" to my collection and watched it for the first time last night.  I'm glad I did.

This is a sweet, romantic comedy telling the story of a one-night stand turning into something more.  I found myself smiling through much of it.  The production values are high. The performances vary from quite good (Christian Campbell, Tori Spelling) to adequate (J.P. Pitoc, but he's such a hunk that I didn't care), with a hilarious cameo from  Clinton Leupp as Miss Coco Peru, a drag queen character who has appeared in several other movies, including "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar" (Coco has her own page at IMDB).

The end credits are shown with the original song "Trick of Fate" playing over them, and it's a great Whitney-Houstonesque number.  I was able to import it into my iTunes collection.

By the way, I also bought "Chuck and Buck" on your recommendation, and will be viewing it in the next few days.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 24, 2006, 10:54:29 pm
I'm not gay, but may I continue posting anyway?  ;D

To add to Sommersturm, other gay-themed German movies:

* Echte Kerle (comedy)
* Aimée und Jaguar (2nd World War lesbian drama)
* Lola + Bilidikid (Turkish-German drama)
* Wir alleine zusammen mit Dir (AIDS, drama. With the brilliant Thomas Kretschmann)

Anyone mentioned/seen Johns? I think the grown up Lukas Haas is great in anything he does. There's also one of the early AIDS movies An Early Frost. All main characters are great.

Anyone seen/mentioned Touch Me (about AIDS, with Michael Vartan) and Breaking the Surface: The Greg Louganis Story? I liked them both.

Then there is Blood and Concrete, Forgive and Forget, Dreamers, Common Ground and Segunda Piel wich I haven't seen yet, but definitely want to. Anyone knows, if they are any good? Anyone seen C.R.A.Z.Y? It's coming to Belgium this week and I heard good stuff about it. Transamerica is hitting our screens this week too - I won't miss that one!

Long long time ago I saw a movie called Welcome home Bobby. I remember it being about a young man coming out of the closet, but not much else. Have never seen it again.

I'm still waiting for a DVD of Burnt Money..

Saw Victim once or twice, quite some time ago. Very hard and 'typical' for the 60s. Quite daring for Dirk Bogarde at the time, I thought.

Loved loved Lost Language of Cranes! Love Ben Daniels in it (he is the stepfather of 'Jamie' in Beautiful Thing and he has played gay again in Fanny and Elvis).

I did not know that Robert Sean Leonard's character in Dead Poets Society was gay!?



My incomplete list:

* Aimée und Jaguar (1999)
* And the Band Played On (1993)
* An Early Frost (TV) (1985)
* The Anniversary Party (2001)
* Another Country (1984)
* Apartment Zero (1988)
* As Good as It Gets (1997)
* Bedrooms and Hallways (1998)
* Before Night Falls (2000)
* Bent (1997)
* Beautiful Thing (1996)
* Betrayal (1983)
* Big Eden (2000)
* Billy Elliot (2000)
* Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss (1998)
* The Birdcage (1996)
* Blood and Concrete (1991)
* Boys Don't Cry (1999)
* Breaking the Surface: The Greg Louganis Story (1997) (TV)
* Brokeback Mountain (2005)
* The Broken Hearts Club: A Romantic Comedy (2000)
* Cabaret (1972)
* Capote (2005) 
* Cat on a Hot Tin Roof (1958)
* Citizen Cohn (1992) (TV) 
* Clan, Le (2004) (French)
* Coming Out (1989/I) (German)
* Common Ground (TV) (2000)
* Confusion des Genres (2000) (French)
* C.R.A.Z.Y. (2005)
* The Crying Game (1992)
* De-Lovely (2004)
* The Deep End (2001)
* Dog Day Afternoon (1975)
* Doing Time on Maple Drive (1992) (TV)
* The Dreamers (2003)
* Dress Gray (1986) (TV)  - haven't seen it yet
* The Dying Gaul (2005) - haven't seen it yet
* Echte Kerle (1996) (German)
* Edward II (1991)
* Endgame (2001) 
* Enduring Love (2004) 
* Execution of Justice (1999) (TV) - haven't seen it yet
* Family Album (1994) (TV)
* Fanny and Elvis (1999)
* Far from Heaven (2002)
* A Fatal Inversion (1992) (TV)
* Fate ignoranti, Le (2001) (Italian)
* Fils préféré, Le (1994) (French)
* Flawless (1999)
* Food of Love (2002)
* Forgive and Forget (2000) (TV) - haven't seen it yet
* Four Weddings and a Funeral (1994)
* Fresa y chocolate (1994)
* Go (1999)
* Gods and Monsters (1998)
* Grande école (2004) (French) - haven't seen it yet
* Hamam (1997)
* Happy Endings (2005) 
* Head On (1998) - haven't seen it yet
* Hedwig and the Angry Inch (2001)
* The Heidi Chronicles (1995) (TV)
* Heights (2004) - haven't seen it yet
* Hollow Reed (1996)
* A Home at the End of the World (2004)
* Homme que j'aime, L' (1997) (TV) (French)
* Hsi yen (1993)
* I Think I Do (1997)
* In & Out (1997)
* In the Bleak Midwinter (1995)
* Infidèles, Les (1997) (TV) (French)
* It's My Party (1996)
* Jack (2004) (TV) - haven't seen it yet
* Jeffrey (1995)
* Johns (1996)
* Juste une question d'amour (2000) (TV) (French)
* Kinsey (2004) 
* Kiss Me, Guido (1997)
* Krámpack (2000) - haven't seen it yet
* L.I.E. (2001) - haven't seen it yet
* The Laramie Project (2002) 
* Latter Days (2003) 
* Lawrence of Arabia (1962)
* Ley del deseo, La (1987) (Spanish)
* Like It Is (1998) - haven't seen it yet
* Lola + Bilidikid (1999) (German)
* Longtime Companion (1990)
* The Lords of Discipline (1983)  - haven't seen it yet
* The Lost Language of Cranes (1991) (TV)
* Love and Death on Long Island (1997)
* Love! Valour! Compassion! (1997)
* M. Butterfly (1993)
* M.O. of M.I. (2002) - haven't seen it yet
* Ma vie en rose (1997) (French) - haven't seen it yet
* Madagascar Skin (1995) - haven't seen it yet
* Making Love (1982)
* Mambo italiano (2003) 
* Marciando nel buio (1995) - haven't seen it yet
* Maurice (1987)
* Midnight in the Garden of Good and Evil (1997)
* Mirrors (1985) (TV)
* Morte a Venezia (1971)
* Mulholland Dr. (2001)
* My Beautiful Laundrette (1985)
* My Best Friend's Wedding (1997)
* Mysterious Skin (2004)
* The Next Best Thing (2000)
* The Object of My Affection (1998)
* The Opposite of Sex (1998)
* Our Sons (1991) (TV) - haven't seen it yet
* Pédale douce (1996) (French)
* Parting Glances (1986)
* The Perfect Son (2000) - haven't seen it yet
* Peter's Friends (1992)
* Philadelphia (1993)
* Plata quemada (2000)
* Presque rien (2000) (French) - haven't seen it yet
* The Price of Love (1995) (TV)
* Priest (1994)
* Proof (1991) (homoerotic)
* The Rules of Attraction (2002)
* Segunda piel (1999)
* Signes de vie (2001) (TV) (French)
* Sommersturm (2004) (German)
* The Sum of Us (1994)
* Swoon (1992)
* The Talented Mr. Ripley (1999)
* Tarnation (2003) - haven't seen it yet
* Third Man Out (2005) (TV) - haven't seen it yet
* Torch Song Trilogy (1988)
* Touch Me (1997)
* Touch of Pink (2004)
* Tout contre Léo (2002) (TV) (French) - haven't seen it yet
* Transamerica (2005) - haven't seen it yet
* Trembling Before G-d (2001) - haven't seen it yet
* Trick (1999) 
* The Trip (2002/I)
* The Unknown Cyclist (1998) - haven't seen it yet
* Urbania (2000)
* Un Amour A Taire (TV) (2005) (French)
* Victim (1961)
* Walk on Water (2004) - haven't seen it yet
* Wilde (1997)
* Wir zusammen allein mit dir (1995) (TV) (German)
* Yossi & Jagger (2002)
* Zurück auf Los! (2000) (German)


~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: OldeSoul on June 25, 2006, 06:18:04 pm
Hello everyone-
thanks for the great list of movies. Many I have not seen, but will certainly try to now.

I just wanted to ask (and I apologize if it's been mentioned) if anyone has ever seen the Canadian movie, "Lilies"? It is based on a play about a priest who comes to hear a dying prisoner's confession- the prisoner turning out to be his boyhood crush.
It was recommended to me at Netflix and I put it in my queue, but I can't always trust the reviews there.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 25, 2006, 07:26:45 pm
I'm freezing this thread temporarily.  It will re-open sometime tomorrow, with an explanation about what's going on, promise.  Please be patient with me.  Thanks!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 26, 2006, 04:50:36 pm
This thread began life in the Safe Haven forum, but was moved here to make it accessible to more members of Bettermost.

With all of the forum changes taking place on BetterMost as the site evolves into a user community, it's more important than ever for us to make clear what the different forums on BetterMost are all about.  Safe Haven was created for our LGBT members who would serve as a "ready-made" community for those who are just coming out of the closet after seeing Brokeback Mountain, or for those questioning their sexual identity in general.

This particular topic on other gay-themed movies is of interest to a wider audience than it was receiving within the Safe Haven forum, and with this in mind,  I have moved it here to the Open Forum (with the moderator's input and permission) so that everyone can feel free to participate. 

Thanks for the excellent replies and hard work put into our growing movie list and I'm certain it will be seen by the broader BetterMost community as a useful resource.  Some of the posts prior to this one mention Safe Haven in one way or another, and rather than modify them, I'm choosing to leave 'em intact.  Knowing that they were written while in the Safe Haven forum will hopefully prevent any confusion about such mentions.

Thanks for reading this, and I hope that everyone will enjoy this topic as much as we have over at Safe Haven!   ;D
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on June 26, 2006, 06:52:35 pm
I see this thread is old so I don't know if this movie was mentioned: Summer Storm. A german movie about two boys in their teens who are best friends. One is gay and the other is not. The story is about how they deal with their sexuality, ideas about it, and their hormones! This is a nice, light movie. I had a good time watching it.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420206/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0420206/)

Also Amodovar's movies such as All About My Mother, The Law of Desire, The Bad Education, deal with homosexuality.

About the movies listed:

Before Night Falls
I didn't like it. I loved Bardem's performance but the movie was too depressing. I know Brokeback was too, but in a very different way. I had nightmares after watching Before Night Falls.

Walk on Water
I liked this movie but I don't think it's really gay related. One character is gay but the whole plot has nothing to do with homosexuality in itself. I thought it was more about dealing with the past, with Hitler and the holocaust, and what it means for the characters.

The Wedding Banquet
I loved this movie. I thought it was a beautiful love story not only between two lovers but also between father and son. Well done and well acted too.

Yossi and Jagger
This movie was good, too short but good. It's a bit similar to BBM, not that profound but similar. No cowboys or horses there, though.

Y tu mamá también.
Its simply one of the best road movies I have ever seen. But I'm not sure if it's really gay related, although it could be.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 26, 2006, 08:51:56 pm
Speaking of other gay themed movies, Outfest is coming up in LA.
http://outfest.org/fest2006/index.html

I'm gonna be working as a volunteer at several events. There are also some pretty fun looking movies that are going to be shown. One of the most talked about film for this year's festival is Broken Sky, from Mexico. I have myself signed up to usher the screening, so I'll be able to catch some of it. I'll let you know how it is.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on June 27, 2006, 08:24:05 am
One of the most talked about film for this year's festival is Broken Sky, from Mexico. I have myself signed up to usher the screening, so I'll be able to catch some of it. I'll let you know how it is.
Sure sounds like an interesting movie!! I checked it out on the Outfest link you had inserted. Well, have lots of fun ushering!!  ;)

OldeSoul - I think I have heard of Lilies a while back, but forgotten about it. But you know what? It's already on my list on amazon.co.uk ready to be ordered. I'm waiting before I go ahead, 'cause I want to order more and have to look for it first. Too bad, that many of the films I'd like to order are Region 1, which is no good to me..   :-\

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on June 28, 2006, 01:08:31 am
Wow, you've actually seen this?  Someone from my volleyball league made it!  I've never seen it though, how is it?
Juan
Sorry I never replied to this and time has passed. Quite funny. For a short, there's quite a lot in it. Not much more I can say.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 28, 2006, 08:17:43 am
Before Night Falls
I didn't like it. I loved Bardem's performance but the movie was too depressing. I know Brokeback was too, but in a very different way. I had nightmares after watching Before Night Falls.

"like" is a such a weird word to use with film, isn't it? I mean, with BBM, who "likes" be heartbroken? I don't think I'd say I liked Before Night Falls either. It is a heavy film, and it can affect you quite hard. I "like" that it has the power to move me to the level it did. It's not a film I would see too often again, but it is one I'd recommend to anyone. It's a really good film, to be sure.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 28, 2006, 10:50:24 am
"like" is a such a weird word to use with film, isn't it? I mean, with BBM, who "likes" be heartbroken? I don't think I'd say I liked Before Night Falls either. It is a heavy film, and it can affect you quite hard. I "like" that it has the power to move me to the level it did. It's not a film I would see too often again, but it is one I'd recommend to anyone. It's a really good film, to be sure.

I agree with you, starboardlight.  I "liked" it for all the reasons you mentioned, and so don't have a problem with saying so.

Perhaps the verb "enjoy" would be better suited to our purpose:  I liked "Schindler's List" quite a lot, but I certainly didn't "enjoy" it.  Same goes for "Before Night Falls." 

A movie-review podcast that I love, Filmspotting (formerly "Cinecast") love to do lists for various categories.  They did one "Top Ten Favorite Movies That You Don't Want to See Again."  It was all about this idea...  great movies that should be seen but not "enjoyed."
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 28, 2006, 11:57:40 am

Y tu mamá también.
Its simply one of the best road movies I have ever seen. But I'm not sure if it's really gay related, although it could be.


yeah, I have the same reaction. I enjoyed the character development in the film alot, and thought the actors and actress were great fun to watch. I just go "rrhhh?" when people categorize it as a gay film. Just because of one kiss? I guess we all interpret that kiss differently. I never thought of it as being a sexual tension between the two friends, but rather a confused stage of life for teen boys where intimacy and friendship is difficult to understand.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 28, 2006, 11:59:09 am
I agree with you, starboardlight.  I "liked" it for all the reasons you mentioned, and so don't have a problem with saying so.

Perhaps the verb "enjoy" would be better suited to our purpose:  I liked "Schindler's List" quite a lot, but I certainly didn't "enjoy" it.  Same goes for "Before Night Falls." 

A movie-review podcast that I love, Filmspotting (formerly "Cinecast") love to do lists for various categories.  They did one "Top Ten Favorite Movies That You Don't Want to See Again."  It was all about this idea...  great movies that should be seen but not "enjoyed."

yep, same reaction to Schindler's List. It was important to see it once, but I don't think I'll do it again anytime soon.
That list of movies sounds like great fun. Maybe we should start one.  ;D
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on June 28, 2006, 12:39:38 pm
"like" is a such a weird word to use with film, isn't it? I mean, with BBM, who "likes" be heartbroken? I don't think I'd say I liked Before Night Falls either. It is a heavy film, and it can affect you quite hard. I "like" that it has the power to move me to the level it did. It's not a film I would see too often again, but it is one I'd recommend to anyone. It's a really good film, to be sure.

You could be right about the word "like" being a weird word to use in this film but when I think of it what I feel is dislike. It has nothing to do with the topic or with the fact that Reynaldo Arenas was gay, it's just that I didn't like the way the movie was done. It was weak in many aspects, but that's just my opinion.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on June 28, 2006, 12:53:53 pm
****SPOILERS**** (Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN)





yeah, I have the same reaction. I enjoyed the character development in the film alot, and thought the actors and actress were great fun to watch. I just go "rrhhh?" when people categorize it as a gay film. Just because of one kiss? I guess we all interpret that kiss differently. I never thought of it as being a sexual tension between the two friends, but rather a confused stage of life for teen boys where intimacy and friendship is difficult to understand.

Some people, including me, wonder if they're gay not because of the kiss but because they don't speak to each other again. They were intimate friends, who even masturbated together, but after the kiss they treated each other as mere acquitances. That could be interpreted as they felt threatened in some sexual way. The ending made me think there was some sexual tension between them they didn't acknowledge before.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on June 28, 2006, 06:49:30 pm
****SPOILERS**** (Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN)

Some people, including me, wonder if they're gay not because of the kiss but because they don't speak to each other again. They were intimate friends, who even masturbated together, but after the kiss they treated each other as mere acquitances. That could be interpreted as they felt threatened in some sexual way. The ending made me think there was some sexual tension between them they didn't acknowledge before.

That ending confused me...  if it was intending to reveal true homosexual feelings underlying both young men -- or if it intended to show that they were actually in love -- then it was way too late in the movie to reveal something so important.  I was enjoying the road-movie aspects to it, and the coming-of-age theme also.  Throwing that wrench in the very end kinda screwed things up for me...  for how I had been viewing the film up until that point.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on June 28, 2006, 08:51:22 pm
****SPOILERS**** (Y TU MAMA TAMBIEN)


That ending confused me...  if it was intending to reveal true homosexual feelings underlying both young men -- or if it intended to show that they were actually in love -- then it was way too late in the movie to reveal something so important.  I was enjoying the road-movie aspects to it, and the coming-of-age theme also.  Throwing that wrench in the very end kinda screwed things up for me...  for how I had been viewing the film up until that point.

I liked the ending because it was realistic in many ways. Remember that these two guys are mexicans, and homphobia has deep roots in Mexico and the hispanic culture in general, because of the Catholic church. Their reaction is actually normal within the context of their culture, even if they were gay. If the movie had ended with them behaving as if nothing happened, it would've been weird.

Well, back on topic. I have two ideas about the ending. One is the possibility that they felt sexually attracted to each other, and that scared them. The other one is the weight of their culture and homophobia. They felt unconfortable with each other because each knew they weren't gay, but weren't sure about the other one and didn't know how to deal with it if they were to continue to be friends. There was already too much intimacy between them, and they couldn't handle it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on June 29, 2006, 02:39:10 pm
you're right their reaction to the kiss is realistic. it's just the kiss itself just came out of nowhere. i think for many people, that's the confusing part. there had been no hint of sexual tension between them all through the movie, than all the sudden, bam! I don't read the two guys as being gay or even bisexual. the only interpretation that makes sense to me is that the kiss is a manifestation of their closeness and intimacy as friends being mixed with a moment of sexual arousal.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on June 29, 2006, 05:42:11 pm
you're right their reaction to the kiss is realistic. it's just the kiss itself just came out of nowhere. i think for many people, that's the confusing part. there had been no hint of sexual tension between them all through the movie, than all the sudden, bam! I don't read the two guys as being gay or even bisexual. the only interpretation that makes sense to me is that the kiss is a manifestation of their closeness and intimacy as friends being mixed with a moment of sexual arousal.

Well, I thought there was sexual tension between them all the time, but not in a romantic sort of way. They didn't have sex with each other but their whole friendship revolved around sex. I mean they were in heat the whole time, masturbated together and all, shared girlfriends, and even had a threesome. That's a lot of intimacy for two friends who aren't in love with each other or have a "normal" sexual relationship. They had practically no secrets. So the kiss wasn't really out of place, IMO. It is exactly what you say, a manifestation of their closeness as friends mixed not only with a moment of sexual arousal, but with a friendship where sex played an important role.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on July 07, 2006, 10:26:27 am
I watched "Chuck and Buck" last night for the first time.

The DVD cover presents this film as a comedy, but I found it deeply disturbing.  It was actually hard for me to make my way through it...  I was constantly tempted to skip scenes or stop the movie altogether.  I didn't do either.

First, the good:  the performance of Mike White, playing Buck, is truly amazing.  You never catch him "acting," he has become Buck to a degree that's a bit scary.  The soundtrack includes some great music.  The production values are better than average and far beyond other low-budget indies.

The problem for me was the view it takes of gay people: the "arrested development" theory, the "they never grew up" bit.  I understand that Buck is a single individual and I shouldn't over-generalize in this regard.  But Buck is the only gay person we meet in the film, there is no gay or lesbian character in the script that would counter Buck's immaturity, to show he's as much an oddball to the  gay community as he is to the straight.

And Buck is an extreme example.  I read some of the comments on IMDB, who talk about Buck's "innocence."  Innocence, my ass.  Excuse my un-PC language:  Buck is socially retarded to a degree that loses all charm and likability.  Yes, he has the mental ability of an eight year old, and the concept has the potential to show a charming innocence.  But Buck was and is an unlikeable 8-year old.   I kept thinking that the screenplay would show us more about Buck so  that viewers could come to care about him.  All the screenplay is able to show is that he has no skills, no talent, no redeeming features. He's a one-dimensional character, striking the same note again and again, and I couldn't stand him, from beginning to end.

So here's a well-made film that includes an stunningly good performance, but its story is about a character that I wish I had never met, and certainly one I don't want representing gay people.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: David on July 07, 2006, 10:38:54 am
I watched "Chuck and Buck" last night for the first time.

The DVD cover presents this film as a comedy, but I found it deeply disturbing.  It was actually hard for me to make my way through it...  I was constantly tempted to skip scenes or stop the movie altogether.  I didn't do either.


Yup.  I agree 100%.   I think much earlier in this threat when yo ufirst mentioned "Chuck and Buck", I had said then that it disturbed me.     I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought the characters were unlikable.   This is NOT a gay themed movie I want on my shelf of classics.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on July 07, 2006, 03:01:54 pm
I can see where you guys are coming from. I think, seeing it in a different mood, I'd probably not like it as much either. I think I was the first to mention the film in this thread, and I still question whether it's a "gay-themed film". It doesn't deal with gay issues or what it's like to live life as a gay person. It's certainly made by straight writers and directors, who don't seem to have any connection to actual gay people. Their points of view don't reflect any understanding of gay lives. I did like the film for it's strangeness. Yes, it's disturbing, and the characters aren't like-able. I don't demand that from films. They have to get me involved and thinking. Chuck and Buck does that for me. And I did find myself laughing through the awkwardness of the situations. I did think the awkwardness was intentionally funny, but it's a dark dark dark comedy to be sure.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: azphil on July 08, 2006, 05:36:16 pm
Hi, All.........

If you'll let me in for just a bit, I'd like to share with you a few thoughts concerning gay-themed movies.

My collection consists of several dozens of them, formatted on DVD, laser disc, and videotape, most of the latter I've transferred to recordable DVD (including someone else's mention of "Consenting Adult," starring Martin Sheen and Marlo Thomas---not a bad little film, considering it was a made-for-TVer of almost 21 years ago).

At the very top tier of these films, I would, of course, place "Brokeback Mountain."  Very close to this level I would have to include a little French number (Just A Question Of Love / Juste Une Question D'amour).  It's one that, like BBM, I find easy to watch over and over and over.

Another that's really gotten under my skin recently (and that's funny, because the word, 'skin,' is part of its title) is a 1999 Spanish production, "Second Skin" / "Segundo Piel."  It stars Javier Bardem (already a favorite of yours, I've seen) and Jordi Molla (bigger in Spain than here---but his work in this film is world-class in my opinion).  How the director got these 2 guys to do the anal intercourse scenes that they did is beyond me (and way above BBM's).  I've gathered from other reviews of this film that some might consider it "soap-opera-y," but I think it's way, way better than that.  It's got the same kind of 2-guys+unsuspecting-wife kind of thing going as does BBM.  Plus its own tragedy.

Yet one more little gem no one else seems to have mentioned is "Wilby Wonderful."  For all you Sandra Oh (of Grey's Anatomy) fans out there, she's a blast in this.  And what a great gay ending scene this one has.

Should anyone be further interested, here's a link to Imdb.com and some of my reviews of the preceding (and other) films:

http://www.imdb.com/user/ur1084088/comments (http://www.imdb.com/user/ur1084088/comments)

Enjoy

PS--This for JudeW who has mentioned at least a couple of times about waiting for "Burnt Money" on DVD.  Don't know where you've been, but this one's been out on DVD for a couple of years or so.  Just go to Amazon.com and do a search on this title---there's even some better pricing on some of the Used copies.

PPS--And for some of you who don't know of it, TLA Video has a great DVD movie sale site (they've produced/released a lot of the G/L films we enjoy).  Be sure to click on their Gay/Lesbian link.

http://www.tlavideo.com/main/main.cfm?sn=1&c=0&v=1 (http://www.tlavideo.com/main/main.cfm?sn=1&c=0&v=1)

And for those of you who don't know of it, for brand new DVDs it's pretty hard to beat the pricing of DeepDiscountDVD.com.  Their prices are most often the lowest, PLUS free shipping.  And a couple or three times a year, they run a special of 20% off their already low prices.  I've dealt w/them for years now.

Oh, and one last lead for you:  DVDPriceSearch.com is a great one-stop place for finding the prices of a bunch of DVD internet sellers out there.  Give it a try some time:

http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdhtml2 (http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdhtml2)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on July 08, 2006, 07:23:58 pm
Hi, All.........

If you'll let me in for just a bit, I'd like to share with you a few thoughts concerning gay-themed movies.

We'll let you in for more than just a bit.... please keep your thoughts coming!  :)

I own Just a Question of Love and also like it very much.

I get most of my movies -- about 5-7 per month -- from DeepDiscountDVD, and also recommend it.

I don't know of "Second Skin" but it's now on my Wish List!  I noticed that the DDD version is Rated R; while the one at TLA Video is "Unrated".  Do you know the difference between the two? 

If there is more wienies on the unrated, then that's the one for me!    ;D

Impish
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: azphil on July 08, 2006, 08:48:50 pm
Well, Li'l Imp.....

I've got the Unrated version and don't know if I'd trust what might have been cut out of Rated one (I'd imagine you wouldn't want to miss any of this one).

I see DeepDiscount seems only to have Rated version.  Checking DVDPriceSearch.com shows Overstock.com has U-version for $21.24, and they always get DVDs to me fast.  It's about the same price new on Amazon if you use, not them, but one of their listed sellers.

Enjoy.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 11, 2006, 05:01:34 am
Enjoy

PS--This for JudeW who has mentioned at least a couple of times about waiting for "Burnt Money" on DVD.  Don't know where you've been, but this one's been out on DVD for a couple of years or so.  Just go to Amazon.com and do a search on this title---there's even some better pricing on some of the Used copies.
Thank you Azphil, but is this solely Region 1? I'm from Europe and would prefer a Region 2.

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on July 12, 2006, 04:40:48 am
Yesterday I finally watched "Sommersturm" ("Summer Storm"). I had it in my dvd-collection for months but totally forgot about it in my Brokeback Mountain fever...  ::)

Well, I'm really glad I watched it now. It's very sweet, if not always totally believable. An all gay teenage rowing team? Well, okay.
There are also some unnecessary stereotypes. A group of girls from Saxony, for example, are rather portrayed as carricatures. And, something that will only bother the Germans: none of the supposedly Bavarian kids actually has a Bavarian accent, and their trainer is unmistakably from Austria. But enough of the nitpicking.

The portrayal of young Tobi's coming out itself, is very touching and believable and very well acted. Plus: there is a great love scene where Tobi (Robert Stadlober) has his first sexual encounter with a cherub-like young guy called Leo (Marlon Kittel). The whole film is worth watching for that scene alone!

I found it on YouTube (Achtung: major spoiler!!!!):  ;D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI80_gAfj8g&search=Sommersturm (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pI80_gAfj8g&search=Sommersturm)

Watch it and fall in love with Leo!  ;) 

________

Edit: Sorry, the video has obviously been removed from YouTube!  :-\
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 12, 2006, 05:32:02 am
Watch it and fall in love with Leo!  ;) 
Weisst Du was, Anke? I did and I agree with everything you wrote! 100% And most of all the stuff about Leo (Marlon Kittel)!!! Awsome! Cute! Adorable! Mature! Brilliant! The scene is absolutely tender and the actors perfect!

-> by the way - I liked the girl from Saxony and her heavy Sächsisch! Love it! My mother is from Leipzig... so you verstehst, gell!  ;D

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: opinionista on July 12, 2006, 06:38:30 am
Thank you Azphil, but is this solely Region 1? I'm from Europe and would prefer a Region 2.

~ j U d E

Hi Jude!
Burnt Money can be found for Region 2. It's very popular in Spain. I think it's a Spain-Argentina Production (not sure though). In any case, it's original title is "Plata Quemada", in case you need to know to find the DVD.

http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=2079036466&Code2=116&prodID=332045 (http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=2079036466&Code2=116&prodID=332045)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 12, 2006, 06:59:01 am
Hi Jude!
Burnt Money can be found for Region 2. It's very popular in Spain. I think it's a Spain-Argentina Production (not sure though). In any case, it's original title is "Plata Quemada", in case you need to know to find the DVD.

http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=2079036466&Code2=116&prodID=332045 (http://www.fnac.es/dsp/?servlet=extended.HomeExtendedServlet&Code1=2079036466&Code2=116&prodID=332045)

Thank you Opinionista! I did check under "Plata Quemada" before, but I never tried the Spanish Fnac. On amazon.co.uk they have Region 1 only. I now checked the German amazon and they have it there too! I have already an account on amazon.co.uk - not sure if I want to open more accounts!..  :laugh:  - or I'll never stop buying! What I could do is check if they have it in one of the German stores, on my next trip to Aachen/Germany.. (1 1/4 hour drive from Brussels).

Thank you for your help!

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on July 12, 2006, 10:22:04 am
Quote
Upon the recommendation of several of you, I added "Trick" to my collection and watched it for the first time last night.  I'm glad I did.

This is a sweet, romantic comedy telling the story of a one-night stand turning into something more.  I found myself smiling through much of it.  The production values are high. The performances vary from quite good (Christian Campbell, Tori Spelling) to adequate (J.P. Pitoc, but he's such a hunk that I didn't care), with a hilarious cameo from  Clinton Leupp as Miss Coco Peru, a drag queen character who has appeared in several other movies, including "To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar" (Coco has her own page at IMDB).

The end credits are shown with the original song "Trick of Fate" playing over them, and it's a great Whitney-Houstonesque number.  I was able to import it into my iTunes collection.

I wrote my mini-review  for "Trick" (above, from this thread) a few weeks ago.  To draw your attention to it, I boldfaced the part about Miss Coco Peru. 

And guess what?

Miss Coco Peru is one of the entertainers on my upcoming cruise!!! There will be a show on board almost every night, and she's one of them. 

What a hoot!  :laugh:

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on July 12, 2006, 03:48:44 pm
Weisst Du was, Anke? I did and I agree with everything you wrote! 100% And most of all the stuff about Leo (Marlon Kittel)!!! Awsome! Cute! Adorable! Mature! Brilliant! The scene is absolutely tender and the actors perfect!

-> by the way - I liked the girl from Saxony and her heavy Sächsisch! Love it! My mother is from Leipzig... so you verstehst, gell!  ;D

~ j U d E

Leipzig! Eiverbibsch!  ;D

About Marlon Kittel: you're right. He is adorable and so talented!
I just read that he plays the piano and speaks several languages. According to his agency he also does artistic gymnasitics, surfing, sailing, skiing, Karate, Tennis, Eishockey and standard dance! :o
Anyways, he is a very believable lover in "Summerstorm." After playing "Leo" he must be every young gay guy's wet dream personified...   :laugh:

(http://www.agenturschwarz.de/fotos/m_Kittel_Marlon.jpg)

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: j.U.d.E. on July 13, 2006, 08:09:11 am
Danke Anke!

Since seeing him in 'Sommersturm' I have tried to get hold of other movies with him in it, but it's not an easy task. Anyway, I'll keep on searching..

Highly recomendable movie - 'Sommer Sturm'!!

~ j U d E
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: bbm_stitchbuffyfan on July 13, 2006, 11:14:48 pm
Sorry if this is unnessecary reminding but have Boys Don't Cry and Heavenly Creatures been mentioned yet?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on July 14, 2006, 09:52:58 am
Sorry if this is unnessecary reminding but have Boys Don't Cry and Heavenly Creatures been mentioned yet?

I think so, but I'm not 100% sure.  I've seen both but own neither; they are definite future purchases as I slowly build up my collection.

Thanks for the reminder!   ;)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on July 18, 2006, 12:56:46 pm
I had posted this in CT, but thought it might be worth adding it to this thread as well. Forgive the repetition, but it might helpful for some people.

So I mentioned that I've been volunteering with LA's OutFest, the lgbt film festival. It's the longest continuously running film festival in LA, and will celebrate it's 25th anniversary next summer. Anyway, I've been working mostly as usher/ticket taker, and only worked one of their many parties. As usher I got to sit in on many films, and there have been some really good films this year that I'd highly recommend.

Keep your eyes out for C.R.A.Z.Y.  It's already hitting Canada, I believe. A beautifully film about a boy who's the fourth of five sons, dealing with his sexuality as well as his relationship with his brothers and his father. It's funny and evoked the 70's beautifully. It's also made great use of the soundtrack, which includes music from Pink Floyd, Bowie, Patsy Cline among others. The music didn't simply function as filler, but rather helped to tell the story. Definitely a dvd I'm looking forward to adding to my collections.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4742

Reinas (Queens)  is a film out of Spain, featuring 5 actresses who are known as Amodovar's muses. It follows 6 gay men, their mothers and fathers, as they all prepare for Spain's first gay marriage ceremony. It's fun film with lots of absurd plot points that are funny and entertaining.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4740

Un Amour à Taire (A Love to Hide) from France follows two gay men during the turmoil World War II. This is a film that hits hard emotionally, so be prepared to cry a bit. I left the theater and there was more than few people breaking down in various corners of the theater.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4770

Boy Culture is the big hit this year. I didn't end up seeing the film, but it won OutFest's big award this year and everyone I talked to loved it. The synopsis is this "a reflective, high-priced Seattle prostitute known as X, who’s dodging the overtures of one roommate while hiding his feelings for another."
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4681

Puccini for Beginers is was chosen as the film to open the festival. Again I didn't get to see the film, as I was helping set up the Opening Night Gala. You can read the synopsis at the following link. Most everyone I talked to said they really liked the film.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4716

20 Centimetros (20 Centimeters) is the Closing Night feature. The Spanish film tells a tale of a narcoleptic pre-op tran-sexual prostitute who falls asleep at inopportune times, though when she does, she dreams in musical numbers. 20 Centimeters estimate to roughly 8 inches, so you can guess what that refers to.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4673

The Gymnast is another much talked about film this year. The actress won OutFest's best actress award for her performance. I will definitely check this one out when i get a chance.
http://www.outfest.org/tixSYS/2006/filmguide/eventnote.php?EventNumber=4699
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: azphil on July 18, 2006, 08:58:01 pm
Thanks, starboardlight, a lot to look forward to on DVD here.

Gotta say, though, if director, Christian Faure's work on A Love to Hide (Un amour à taire) is as noteworthy as it was on Just A Question Of Love (Juste une question d'amour), then this has got to be one great little film.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on July 19, 2006, 09:57:51 am
Thanks, starboardlight, a lot to look forward to on DVD here.

Gotta say, though, if director, Christian Faure's work on A Love to Hide (Un amour à taire) is as noteworthy as it was on Just A Question Of Love (Juste une question d'amour), then this has got to be one great little film.

I'm most excited about this one, and for the same reason.  I love Just a Question of Love, own it, and intend to keep my eyes on this director.













Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on July 25, 2006, 11:22:23 pm
New to the board, and just skimmed the messaages in this post. Lots of good films mentioned. I recently joined Netflix so I could work my way through the gay-theme movies I haven't yet seen.

There are a couple of movies I like a lot, and that I didn't notice anybody mention.

Edge of Seventeen (1998), for my money, the best American teen coming out movie. Not perfect, not as well done as Beautiful Thing (sort of the British equivalent), but some very good performances, and they got the atmosphere of the 80s just right.

A big favorite, one that I put almost in the BBM category, is Our Lady of the Assassins (2000), a Barbet Schroeder film. (AKA La Virgen de los Sicarios). I'm not easily shocked, but this one had my hair standing on end when I first saw it. There's BBM level heartache, not the same variety, but palpable all the same. It's one of the few DVDs I own, so I've seen it several times now and like it more each time. It's not for everybody, and usually elicits strong opinions equally pro and con. I think it's like BBM in that not everybody gets it. Or wants to.

I'm passionate about Latter Days, beyond all reason. I have no idea why. Almost to a BBM level, subscribing to fan sites, getting the book, etc. Something about it really gets to me. I equate it to a gay man's Now Voyager. Instead of a cosmetic makeover, the boys get spiritual makeovers.

And Maurice. For a long time I couldn't get that kiss and line at the end out of my head: "Now we shan't never be parted." Sigh.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Aussie Chris on July 27, 2006, 07:29:56 am
Hey ekeby, welcome, and thanks for your contributions.  What a great resource this topic is turning out to be.  Maybe we should start rating them?  It may be helpful (and fun) to include a synopsis and review of films that others haven't heard of.  I know it would help me when considering films to check out.  For those reading this thread, let me know what you think, and any suggestions you might have to make this useful.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: David on July 27, 2006, 07:36:05 am
Hi Ekeby!

   Welcome to our Twisted Family.  Jack Twisted that is!   LOL.

I really liked Edge of seventeen too.  I graduated in 1984 so the era was familiar with me too. 

Loved Maurice.  It was the first Gay themed movie I ever saw.  I was in an "unrequited" love triangle at the time as well.

Latter days?  OMG!   Awsome!  Kind of a BBM but with a happier ending.

Have you seen the "Broken Hearts Club"??   It is very good too.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on July 27, 2006, 06:46:36 pm
Hi Ekeby!

 I graduated in 1984 so the era was familiar with me too. 
I was in an "unrequited" love triangle at the time as well.
Latter days?  OMG!   Awsome!  Kind of a BBM but with a happier ending.
Have you seen the "Broken Hearts Club"??   It is very good too.

Hey guys . . . glad to be here . . .
I graduated HS in 64, so I'm closer to J&E's age, had "my Ennis" experience in 66-67 . . . related the story somewhere else on this board (some introduce yourself page). Re "unrequited" . . . you are not alone,  by a longshot. That's the amazing thing about this board, finding out you aren't the only poor sap who loved and lost . . .

I like Broken Hearts Club too. Another (non cine) board was posting worst gay movies, and somebody named BHC. Boy did I protest. I think it gets the tone of gay life and friendships just about right  . . .

Synopses, a good idea. Here's my take on Our Lady of the Assassins . . .

Fernando, a famous 50-something writer who can no longer find a reason to live, returns to his hometown of Medellin, Colombia to wait for the end of his life. At a boy brothel he's introduced to Alexis, a stunning 18-year-old. "El mas fantastico chico en Medallin," says the proprietor, who suggests they come together, never to be parted. Alexis is on a gang's hit list. "These guys who're in love with me want to kill me. They love me in a hateful way." This unlikely pair falls in love, Alexis mesmorised by Fernando's quirky, irreverent personality, and Fernando astonished by Alexis's propensity to kill without giving it a second thought.

Adapted from Fernando Vallejo's novel. For me, this is an OMG film . . .

[Last night I saw Capote. Whatever. Heath was ROBBED!]
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: stevenedel on July 29, 2006, 06:14:20 am
"Beautiful thing" aired on TV a few nights ago, and I enjoyed so much watching it again. What an incredibly sweet and funny movie! Brings tears to my eyes for all the right reasons - a perfect antidote to the BBM spleen!

I've always had a weak spot for Maurice, too, because I am an E.M. Forster fan; I do feel though that that story requires a little more 'suspension of disbelief' than some other gay-themed movies. The idea of upper class Maurice and streetwise Scudder setting up house together... well, maybe I'm too pessimistic  :-X

Something completely different I saw on TV a few weeks ago is a Dutch movie called "De vierde man" (The Fourth Man). More like a horror-thriller than a romance, about a gay novelist who befriends a femme fatale and falls in love (or in lust, rather) with her latest boyfriend and victim-to-be, and actually manages to seduce him. It is heavily symbolistic and somewhat surreal, but quite good, really. With all the fuss about the gay love scenes in BBM in mind, I was quite stunned by the frankness of it - the film was made in 1983 and has several gay sex scenes in it (one actually suggesting fellatio on a man on a crucifix...!) that make BBM look like The Sound of Music.
(A friend of mine had a very embarrassing experience with this movie when she was an au pair with a Mormon family in Stockton, CA. She came across it in a video store, Dutch spoken with English subtitles. Never actually having seen it, she though it might be really nice to show the family a movie that featured several famous Dutch actors, and which would allow them to hear what Dutch sounds like. As you can imagine, it made quite an impression...  ::))

A few other favourites: Gods and Monsters; Stage Beauty; and Wonder Boys. In a completely different genre, Visconti's stunning "Ludwig".

And I shouldn't forget Angels in America, which is one of the most impressive things I've ever seen (both as a theatre play and as a TV-series).

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on July 29, 2006, 07:39:58 pm
"Beautiful thing" - a perfect antidote to the BBM spleen!

The idea of upper class Maurice and streetwise Scudder setting up house together... well, maybe I'm too pessimistic  :-X

"De vierde man" (The Fourth Man). 

A few other favourites: Gods and Monsters; Stage Beauty; and Wonder Boys. In a completely different genre, Visconti's stunning "Ludwig". And I shouldn't forget Angels in America

Yes, Beautiful Films is one of those rare films with a gay theme that doesn't have a wrong frame in it.

Agree about Maurice and Scudder. I recall reading (maybe in the intro to the book?) that Forster had an alternate ending at one point that had M & Scudder working as loggers in a forest, and M's sister comes upon them. Or something like that. Agree, that relationship could not have worked in England. They would have had to go to some other country where the class differences wouldn't be obvious to everyone . . .

I've had 4th Man on my list, but per your enthusiasm, I'll move it up in position . . . Agree on the other films, except Angels in America. Maybe because the mere mention of Roy Cohn's name makes me physically ill. (Did you know that Baba Walters was his fag hag?) I got the idea that Angels was one of those things that probably worked better on the stage.

Oh Oh Oh Oh . . . Ludwig reminds me of another film in Europe w/ a castle: Something for Everyone (1970). A wickedly funny gem that isn't on DVD, unfortunately, and old VHS tapes very hard to find and expensive when they show up. Harold Price directed. Here's the IMDB summary: "Konrad [Michael York], a handsome country boy in post-war Austria, charms his way into a butler position at the castle of a widowed countess [Angela Lansbury] that lost her fortune. Before long the opportunistic boy is running the entire household. As he starts affairs with both the countess's son and the daughter of a wealthy businessman, the idea grows to get his two lovers to marry each other and make the house rich again." I read somewhere that a VHS version cut a scene that has Konrad and the son "swimming" together.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on July 29, 2006, 08:57:08 pm
Agree about Maurice and Scudder. I recall reading (maybe in the intro to the book?) that Forster had an alternate ending at one point that had M & Scudder working as loggers in a forest, and M's sister comes upon them. Or something like that. Agree, that relationship could not have worked in England. They would have had to go to some other country where the class differences wouldn't be obvious to everyone . . .

they could have moved to Greece.

btw, talk about old films not out on DVD, I saw a some clips of "Reflection in a Golden Eye" (1967) starring Elizabeth Taylor and Marlon Brando. Brando plays a military man who is dealing with being a closeted homosexual, and Taylor plays his bitter wife. Has anyone seen this film and care to give a comment?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on July 29, 2006, 09:26:50 pm
they could have moved to Greece.

btw, talk about old films not out on DVD, I saw a some clips of "Reflection in a Golden Eye" (1967) starring Elizabeth Taylor and Marlon Brando. Brando plays a military man who is dealing with being a closeted homosexual, and Taylor plays his bitter wife. Has anyone seen this film and care to give a comment?

I saw it when it came out . . . and don't remember much except there was a lot of sturm and drang and the text was mostly subtext. As I recall the man on man action consists of one brief scene where Brando tries to plant one on Forster . . .  I might have a better appreciation now as someone older with more life experience . . . at 21, probably a lot went over my head . . . this movie and another are said to be the motivation for creating the hollywood rating system . . . it caused a big stir, not to the BBM level, because everything was still closeted, including discussion, but it was very controversial with a Love That Dare Not Speak Its Name mystique.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: azphil on July 29, 2006, 09:27:16 pm
Speaking of things Austrian (or German), I pulled a DVD out of my library the other evening.......one which I watch from time to time, but, in between times, tend to forget about the enjoyment I get out of it.

It's a 1998 German production titled, "The Trio," and it might give you a better idea about how others in the gay and bisexual world spend some of their time. 

Whether you might want to own it, I can't say........but it's certainly worth a rental, if you can find it that way.

For those interested:  http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdcalc2?cmd=calc&tmpCart=11097 (http://www.dvdpricesearch.com/cgi-bin/dvdcalc2?cmd=calc&tmpCart=11097)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Samrim on July 30, 2006, 04:17:02 am
Hi Impish,

I've not been 'here' for long, so I'm quite' late in the day' on this string. I've not read too much of it yet, but so far I've not seen mention of 'Consenting Adult', with Martin Sheen as the homophobic dad, and a young (attractive, swimming type) Barry Tubb, coming out.

I share the opinions expressed on IMDb about it, and, even after twenty years I remember it with pleasure. Not great art, no Brokeback, but very worth a look

I'd be interested to hear your opinion!
Best wishes

Sam
 :)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: saucycobblers on July 30, 2006, 12:14:05 pm
About Marlon Kittel: you're right. He is adorable and so talented!
I just read that he plays the piano and speaks several languages. According to his agency he also does artistic gymnasitics, surfing, sailing, skiing, Karate, Tennis, Eishockey and standard dance! :o
Anyways, he is a very believable lover in "Summerstorm." After playing "Leo" he must be every young gay guy's wet dream personified...   :laugh:

Hey Anke! Thanks for putting me onto 'Sommersturm' on the PT. I've just ordered a copy and I can't wait to see it when it arrives in a few days time. Yeah, Marlon Kittel is cute, but personally I wouldn't mind some a that there Robert Stadlober!! There's just something about that boy!! :P
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on July 30, 2006, 04:03:54 pm
Hey Anke! Thanks for putting me onto 'Sommersturm' on the PT. I've just ordered a copy and I can't wait to see it when it arrives in a few days time. Yeah, Marlon Kittel is cute, but personally I wouldn't mind some a that there Robert Stadlober!! There's just something about that boy!! :P


Hehe. Yeah, I just couldn't resist putting JBB in there...  ;D

Hope you like the movie!    :)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on August 13, 2006, 06:44:20 pm
I just added "Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang" to my original list.

In most ways, this isn't really a gay-themed film, but Val Kilmer does play a gay private investigator, and it's heartening to see his character's sexuality being handled as a non-issue.

It's a comedy-mystery, and I liked it quite a lot.  Robert Downey, Jr. gives a wondeful performance; it was the first time I saw how attractive he can be.

Recommended.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on September 05, 2006, 07:34:10 pm
"Girls Will Be Girls" just arrived, and will watch it tonight.  This is the other movie featuring Miss Coco Peru, who I met on my cruise.

Will post a review soon.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: saucycobblers on September 08, 2006, 03:17:09 pm
Hope you like the movie!    :)

Anke, I LOVED it! I thought it lacked maturity in some respects and was occasionally a little cringeworthy, but Robert Stadlober was superb - what charisma and real screen presence! Marlon kittel was also very good - I loved the relationship between those two... so sweet! Great love scene between them - beautifully played and completely believable.

(http://www.fancinegay.com/FCG8/img/imagen-tormentaverano.jpg)

Cuuuuuuuuuuute!!!!!!!!!!!!!...(sorry, you have to scroll)
(http://www.kinoweb.de/film2000/Crazy/pix/cr2_L.jpg)

...even with stupid hair and 'Saturday Night Fever' dress sense  :laugh:
(http://www.viva.de/teleschau/images/2/200440_141163_1_012.jpg)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on September 09, 2006, 10:04:12 am
Watched "Totally F**d Up" last night, a Gregg Araki 1992 movie. Think I mentioned I'm working my way through all the gay movies I can find that I haven't yet seen--I'd seen this years ago but didn't remember much about it.

If I were doing a syllabus for a course on gay films, I think I'd include this movie. Interesting for its perspective on disaffected gay youth of the 90s, the first generation to grow up seeing an out gay culture. Their blase attitude about being gay is what makes this film interesting. It's maybe a little heavy on avant-garde technique, but still interesting.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on September 09, 2006, 11:00:07 am
Girls Will Be Girls...

is a hoot.  Three drag queens play female roles, that is, the fact that these are male actors is never mentioned and the audience is expected to suspend disbelief on that count.  For example, past pregnancies and abortions are referred to in the script, and one character becomes pregnant during the course of the film.  Also, one character has a full-frontal nude scene with special effects that insert female body parts.

Still, these women have a campy, drag-queen sensibility that no woman I know adopts as their view of the world.  This isn't just camp, but "High Camp."

My new friend Clinton Leupp -- Miss Coco Peru -- is one of the three, who plays the sincere and in some ways "innocent" role.  The other two were unknown to me but both do great drag.  "Evie" (Jack Plotnick) is the potty-mouth Bitch of All Bitches, and "Varla" (Jeffery Roberson) is so convincing as a woman that I didn't realize right away that this was another man-in-drag character.

Not a perfect movie by any means, the script is so sparse that it includes banners advertising the theme of the next segment; the movie is therefore a series of skits presented in chronological order.  It's only 80 minutes long; had the banners been replaced by scenes tying one skit to the next, it would have reached the 90-minute duration that seems to be the norm these days.

The DVD is surprisingly well produced for such a low-budget picture.  The menus have the main characters doing a little comic skit in which they talk to you as the audience ("Press my button to view the special features") and bicker among themselves, just as they do in the film.  The featurettes include interviews with the stars and a piece showing how the make-up man designed each drag queen's face.

This is a movie to watch with friends while drinking (a lot).  Get it, girl!

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: delalluvia on September 10, 2006, 12:28:53 am
OK, I just saw Stage Beauty for the 3rd time and I think it can be considered a 'gay' movie.  As much as the media/marketing pushed the Claire Danes/Billy Crudup relationship onscreen and in real life, the movie makes it pretty clear, especially after mutliple viewings, that his character Ned Kynaston was not at all interested in Claire Dane's Mrs. Hughes despite her throwing herself at him, he was awkward with her from beginning to end and never really showed any enthusiasm.  They were barely friends.  More like colleagues.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on September 10, 2006, 07:58:44 pm
Girls Will Be Girls...is a hoot. 

I've been watching for this movie for a long time--kept expecting a theatrical release--guess it didn't happen. Glad to hear it's on DVD . . . I just added it to the top of the list. thanks!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on September 12, 2006, 11:03:43 am
"Adam & Steve" was released last year, is a romantic comedy, and stars  Malcolm Gets (from "Caroline and the City") and Craig Chester, both openly-gay; Chester also wrote and directed the film.  Chris Kattan from Saturday Night Live has a supporting role, along with Posey Parker.

I enjoyed it.  The opening scenes are set in 1987 and are weak, with apparently unattractive characters and gross-out humor.  But as soon as the film jumps to the present day, it quickly morphs into a sweet film with good performances and an optimistic outlook.  No sad endings here.

There's a wonderful Country and Western dance sequence, and the DVD includes an "instructional dance video" that teaches how to do the line dance shown in the film.

There were a few laugh-out-loud moments, but mostly I was quietly amused.  The script is clever in how it shows how little has changed between 1987 and today for several of the characters.  Posey Parker, for instance, plays a stand-up comedian who used to be fat, but still does fat jokes in her routine: in her head, she hasn't changed at all.

Adam & Steve is worth a look.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on September 12, 2006, 11:38:31 am
"Adam & Steve" was released last year, is a romantic comedy, and stars  Malcolm Gets (from "Caroline and the City") and Craig Chester, both openly-gay; Chester also wrote and directed the film.  Chris Kattan from Saturday Night Live has a supporting role, along with Posey Parker.Adam & Steve is worth a look.

I agree, it's worth a look. Just seeing Craig Chester in goth drag made me laugh. The best part of the movie is the dialog, a lot of it razor sharp. Parker Posey gets the lion's share of the zingers. I also thought Chris Kattan was good as a straight guy jealous of his gay roommate's lifestyle. Julie Haggerty appears as well--another actor who makes me smile just by appearing on the screen . . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lynne on September 12, 2006, 12:33:12 pm
Latter days?  OMG!   Awsome!  Kind of a BBM but with a happier ending.

David - I'm glad you enjoyed Latter Days.  I just watched it a couple of weeks ago, and I found the characters to be extremely compelling - you know - BBM-style compelling.  I know you shouldn't really compare the two because LD is just not technically or artistically in the same league as BBM (IMO-only, of course).  Nevertheless, I'm finding that Aaron and Christian have taken up residence in my psyche in much the same way as Jack and Ennis did.  Weird, huh?  I like the optimistic ending.  It leaves me with a sense of hope and that maybe all can be right with the world.  I usually don't put much stock in the angel/miracle/serendipity plot devices because I tend to be too cynical.

That said, I've got a master list of films I intend to work my way through, generated largely thru this thread, although it's probably an impossible task for this lifetime.  'Lilies' is currently at home...

-Lynne
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Arad-3 on September 26, 2006, 06:36:39 pm
I know these films were from 2004,  but I was just wondering if any of you have seen any of them, and if so how were they?    I am wondering if they are on DVD  to rent.  Here's the link to the page:

http://www.qcinema.org/awards.html
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: SFEnnisSF on September 27, 2006, 01:09:27 am
Unfortunatley, I haven't seen any of them.  I know, take away my gay card now...  :laugh:
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lynne on September 27, 2006, 02:13:09 am
Arad,

I haven't seen any of these either.  My suggestion is to send a link to this thread to Impish (Bill) and/or Jude and Shuggy to see if they have opinions.

Bill has a thread in 'Anything Goes' about other G/L films of note and I know that he has an extensive collection.  Many participate in that thread with some regularity.  Good luck, and let us know what you find out!

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=89.msg86381#msg86381

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php?topic=2349.msg58502#msg58502

-Lynne
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Arad-3 on September 27, 2006, 12:26:51 pm
Hey guys,
Lynne directed me here. Thanks lynne!  Seems you guys might be the ones to ask.

 I know these films were from 2004,  but I was just wondering if any of you have seen any of them, and if so how were they?  A couple look really good.    I am wondering if they are on DVD  to rent.  Here's the link to the page:

http://www.qcinema.org/awards.html
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Arad-3 on September 27, 2006, 12:28:26 pm
Thanks Lynne, Ill check them out! :)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on September 28, 2006, 10:09:38 am
I am wondering if they are on DVD  to rent.  Here's the link to the page:
http://www.qcinema.org/awards.html

Both of the feature films, Cowboys & Angels and Laughing Matters, are available on Netflix. I haven't seen them yet but have them on my list. The short subjects might be on some compilations or even separately--sometimes Netflix does offer short subjects. I didn't check those . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Casey Cornelius on October 02, 2006, 11:31:31 pm
I wrote on the old IMDb Brokeback board a reply to someone who had started a favorite gay-themed films list similar to this one and stated in all seriousness, Ben-Hur and Lawrence of Arabia as two of my choices.  I think others took it as a joke.

Don't know if this belongs in a separate thread, but what about mention of films which are straight subject matter on the surface, but have a subversive gay undercurrent or motivation?

I remember as a teenager at the age of 13 first viewing the 1969 re-release of Ben-Hur[1959] and realizing at a sub-conscious level that the compelling and to me fascinating conflict between Ben-Hur [Charlton Heston] and Messala [Stephen Boyd] had to do with more than a Jewish/Roman ideological battle.  Even as a young gay kid, not even knowing what it meant to be that in my own life,  I could sense that Messala was somehow in love with Ben-Hur and spent the rest of the film subverting him at every turn because of the latter's personal rejection of him, though it was not overtly stated.  That Messala had a young centurion as an obvious 'partner' in later scenes just confirmed it for me upon later viewings.

How satisfying it was to read more than thirty years later, Gore Vidal's account of ghost-writing the rejection scene between Ben-Hur and Messala and explaining to director William Wyler, who was frustrated at not being able to justify some believable motivation for the conflict, proposing Vidal's solution that the main motivation for the hatred between the two of them was to be unrequited love --  the misunderstanding between the hopeful, homosexual Messala and the straight-as-a-die Ben-Hur.  That Stephen Boyd was told the motivation and acted the rejection scene based on it, but Heston was not [ Wyler knowing that he would not be able to take it], makes the scene even more stunning as the tense emotional confusion is heightened by Heston's authentically oblivious reactions.

Ben-Hur is not considered a 'gay' film, but the conflict which William Wyler felt he needed to justify the hatred between the two main characters which drives the remainder of the film's 3 and 3/4 hour running time IS motivated by a covert gay sub-text of frustrated love.

I feel the same way about the character of Lawrence in Lean's 'Lawrence of Arabia' [1962].  One could argue that so much of the motivation and searching for authenticity by the main character is driven by his alienation as a latent homosexual, a historically substantiated reality.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on October 03, 2006, 10:39:22 am
Interesting stuff.

I knew about the Lawrence of Arabia thing, and believe that his "gaeity" is now accepted by historians.  The problem with the movie is that, instead of presenting it as an underlying theme or subplot, the script tried to remove it altogether (that they were not entirely successful is another matter).  The script was therefore dishonest in a certain sense.

I haven't seen Ben Hur for ages, and was unaware of the subtext regarding Messala.  It's now on my "must-see-soon" list!   ;)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 03, 2006, 12:02:17 pm
How satisfying it was to read more than thirty years later, Gore Vidal's account of ghost-writing the rejection scene

Vidal talks about it in the film version of The Celluloid Closet . . .  that movie/book deals extensively with the theme of subverted same-sexuality in film . . . it clarifies a lot of these things. For example, they include the scene in Rebecca where the housekeeper (Judith Anderson) is showing the late Mrs. DeWinter's  underwear to the current Mrs. DeWinter (Joan Fontaine) . . . as a gay man it always struck me as wierd and a little incompehensible, so it was illuminating to see a lesbian critic in Celluloid Closet comment on the creepy sexuality of that scene . . . I think Celluloid Closet   is a must-see and/or must-read for all gay people . . . especially younger gay people who may be unaware of how gays were presented in film before Stonewall . . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: aileen on October 17, 2006, 11:04:40 am
Hello everyone :) I know there' s no my place to post, but... Has a "Touch of Pink" been mentioned yet??? I read almost all posts but I could have not noticed. It' s a very nice comedy, with happy ending of course  ;D After BBM I was so depressed that I HAD TO see some movie with happy ending - "Touch of pink" was a real good therapy, although I think I' ll be never able to get BBM out of my head (and I don' t want to).
I' m really courious about your opinion about it - because I have no comparison. In my country (Poland) it' s really hard to buy (let alone watch in the TV) some gay movies, so I haven' t seen much of them (yet ;))
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 17, 2006, 03:02:53 pm
Hello everyone :) I know there' s no my place to post, but... Has a "Touch of Pink" been mentioned yet??? I read almost all posts but I could have not noticed. It' s a very nice comedy, with happy ending of course  ;D After BBM I was so depressed that I HAD TO see some movie with happy ending -

Hi aileen . . . I did not like Touch of Pink at all. It was very hard for me to watch. Is Latter Days out in Poland yet? I think you might enjoy that.

Can anybody else recommend gay comedies (well, happy endings) that might be available in Poland? I guess that would mean older movies? What about I Think I Do . . . or Broken Hearts Club?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on October 17, 2006, 07:02:36 pm
Hello everyone :) I know there' s no my place to post, but...

Anyone can post here, and we hope everyone does!   ;D
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lumière on October 17, 2006, 07:06:48 pm
I know it must've been said already .. but can I just say that I watched Latter Days recently and completely love it!  In fact, I am hooked!  C.J. Cox does some amazing writing!
Anyone who hasn't checked this movie out should definitely do so.  I am so glad I did!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 17, 2006, 09:21:26 pm
I know it must've been said already .. but can I just say that I watched Latter Days recently and completely love it!  In fact, I am hooked!  C.J. Cox does some amazing writing!
Anyone who hasn't checked this movie out should definitely do so.  I am so glad I did!

I have a 5-DVD player in my bedroom, and along with Brokeback I have Latter Days always in it ready to go . . . Like Brokeback, it's one I can watch over and over again . . . Frequently I'll watch the laundry room scenes before I go to sleep . . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: dot-matrix on October 18, 2006, 12:38:06 am
Someone once asked for our favorite "gay" films on the IMDB and many on this list, Big Eden, Priest, Latter Days, Trick, Beautiful Thing, The Sum of Us and When Night is Falling  are among my fav's and in my film collection.  But I also included, Victor/Victoria, Billy Elliott, Spartacus ( see the scene between Tony Curtis and Lawrence Olivier in the bath, mentioned in the Celluloid Closet) and Cabaret(all thought it is much more plainly portrayed in the stage play than in the film). 

These last four films had some posters ripping strips off me for including films with gay characters on a gay film list, the film must be exclusively gay in message and content to be considered gay cinema they say and accused me of being a "token" liberal.  Needless to say I stopped posting at IMDb and went back to lurking.  BUT I disagree with their assumption, after all even Brokeback is not exclusively gay in message and content.   What do you all think?  I think any film that portrays gay life or gay characters in a real way would qualify. 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: aileen on October 18, 2006, 04:18:08 am
Is Latter Days out in Poland yet? I think you might enjoy that.

Can anybody else recommend gay comedies (well, happy endings) that might be available in Poland? I guess that would mean older movies? What about I Think I Do . . . or Broken Hearts Club?

"Latter Days" is not available in Poland :( But I watched it - unfortunately with german dubbing, so barely understood it, but I loved it!!!. I'm looking for it on amazon, but I found only region 1 >:( There were  "A Beautiful Thing", "Jeffrey" and "My beautiful laundrette" on polish TV, but I don' t know the movies you mentioned :(

And BTW - do you enjoy "Queer as folk" series???
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on October 18, 2006, 10:44:13 am
What do you all think?  I think any film that portrays gay life or gay characters in a real way would qualify. 

I agree with you.  As you'll see in the OP, my collection includes such films as "Kiss, Kiss, Bang, Bang" even tho'  it "only" includes a gay character, and is not gay themed.

I guess it comes down to what you mean by "qualify."  Qualify as what?  If the answer is "Qualify as belonging in this thread," then the answer is most definitely "Yes!"   ;)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 18, 2006, 01:47:35 pm
"Latter Days" is not available in Poland :( But I watched it - unfortunately with german dubbing, so barely understood it, but I loved it!!!. I'm looking for it on amazon, but I found only region 1 >:( There were  "A Beautiful Thing", "Jeffrey" and "My beautiful laundrette" on polish TV, but I don' t know the movies you mentioned :(

And BTW - do you enjoy "Queer as folk" series???

I have a love/hate relationship with Queer as Folk (American version) . . . I hated it in many ways, but never missed an episode. It's ridiculous and frustrating, full of stereotypes and cliches, but somehow compelling.

Re the mention of Cowboys and Angels, above. . . finally saw it and liked it . . . set in Ireland, it's somewhat relevant to the discussion of what makes a gay film. The main character was not gay, but he seemed gay. His roommate is gay, and gayness/outsiderism is central to the plot. I'd recommend it.

I watched Regarding Billy last night and absolutely hated it. One of the worst things ever, bad script, bad acting, bad concept, bad everything. I had such high hopes for it but it was almost laugh-out-loud bad. I was fast forwarding after about 20 minutes, and I wanted to fast forward after 5 minutes! When, in one scene, and realized that the background music was the cheesy no-royalty orchestral music used in old  travelogs, I knew I was watching a real stinker.

Part of my repulsion might have been because immediately before that I watched Soderbergh's film Bubble. Not a gay film in any way, but absolutely stunning--almost literally so. Highly recommended. Anyone else seen it?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Dafna on October 18, 2006, 06:05:50 pm
Unfortunately I am on slow dial up and this board loads very slowly for me so I have been unable to read through all the pages of threads. I'll be upgrading soon but I'm not sure what has been mentioned or not.

Just watched Big Eden twice and can't say how much I loved it. What a sweet movie. Eventhough it does not exist how I would love to live in a town like that. A collection of such characters and nice people could only exist in a movie but perhaps some day it could be real.

That's one thing I like about watching movies at home; Close the door and melt into a movie for a couple of hours. Happy or sad but a happy ending never hurts.

Aileen, I'm sorry you have so much trouble finding movies in Poland. That must be so frustrating. I know how much my movie collection means to me.

I have all seasons of Queer As Folk on DVD. For all it's stereotypes and flaws it's still a show I love and can also get lost in for a little while. I like the friendships. Eventhough they sometimes treat each other like dirt, in the end they were always there for each other. Something else I would like to have in my life.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on October 19, 2006, 03:47:53 pm
let me add a couple of titles for your review.

Don't know if I've already mentioned "Borstal Boy" based on the experience of Irish writer Brendan Behan. In his own writing of the events, he is more overt about his own bisexuality. In the film, Brendan's sexuality is vague, although Charlie (played by the yummy Danny Dyer) is openly gay and in-love with Brendan.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0221838/

Shortbus - okay this film only recently hit the LA, SF, NYC theaters, so it may be a bit of a wait before it makes it to you area. It's the new film by John Cameron Mitchell (famed for his Hedwig and the Angry Inch). The film follow two characters, one gay man and one straight woman. The two are dealing with emotional and sexual disfunctions. The film is controversial for having the actors actually performing real sex and for explicitly showing the sex. Critics are quite divided on this film, but the ones who love it really love it, and the ones who don't, don't. My reaction was that I was afraid it was going to be bad, but the sex was quite crucial to telling the story. It certainly makes us ask ourselves what our hang ups are about sex that the idea of actors performing real sex makes us uncomfortable? The film is character driven, and in my opinion, made us care enough about James and Sophia that we're willing to follow their stories all the way.
http://imdb.com/title/tt0367027/

edit to add.
2 more
2 films that I really enjoyed by Charles Busch
"Die, Mommy, Die!" http://imdb.com/title/tt0322023/ and "Psycho Beach Party" http://imdb.com/title/tt0206226/
Both film are set in the 50's and play on old films. "Psycho Beach Party" is reminiscent of "Gidget" but with a murder mystery twist. While "Die, Mommy, Die!" is a bit of noir melodrama. Both are hilarious is high camp and farce elements, and features some great casting, lead by Charles Busch in female roles in both. And of course there are gay characters and story lines. I highly recommend both for a fun night of dvd-ing.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lumière on October 19, 2006, 04:16:26 pm
I have a 5-DVD player in my bedroom, and along with Brokeback I have Latter Days always in it ready to go . . . Like Brokeback, it's one I can watch over and over again . . . Frequently I'll watch the laundry room scenes before I go to sleep . . . .

The laundry room scenes are one of my faves, especially the first one!  But the scene with Aaron and his mother in the kitchen really gets to me .. so real.


I have also watched Borstal Boy, I liked it!

I have recently gone nuts ordering movies from amazon .. some movies I am waiting for:
- Soldier's girl
- Monster
-The truth about Jane
- and the Latter Days novel!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 19, 2006, 05:23:45 pm
The laundry room scenes are one of my faves, especially the first one!  But the scene with Aaron and his mother in the kitchen really gets to me .. so real.

I have also watched Borstal Boy, I liked it!

I have recently gone nuts ordering movies from amazon .. some movies I am waiting for:
- Soldier's girl
- Monster
-The truth about Jane
- and the Latter Days novel!

agree the kitchen scene is very, very real . . . that slap and his reaction! I too bought the novel . . . got obsessed w/ LD for a while there . . .:) If I want a good cry anytime I just watch the 3am music video . . . .

They've been running Borstal Boy on LOGO and it sometimes shows up on IFC . . . typically well-done Brit film . . . I liked it too, though the theme is a little down . . . I haven't had the courage to watch Soldier's Girl yet, not sure I ever will . . . Monster is kind of amazing. Haven't seen The Truth About Jane--I'll have to look for it . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Dafna on October 19, 2006, 06:19:56 pm
Lucise, I also order too many movies from Amazon.  :) But then again I like owning the movies so I can watch them over and over and rarely have I got one I didn't like. I do not go the the theatre so this is my entertainment vice. Just placed an order yesterday myself.

I did not know there was a Latter Days book. Added it to my list. I also love the movie.

I have Soldier's Girl on DVD. I think I have only viewed it once because it is not easy to watch. Has anyone read Calpernia Addams book "Mark 947"? It is simply written and it does not appear she used a ghost writer from what I can find in the book. It is however not easy to read. Quite heart wrenching. It goes from early childhood and through her life. I would recommend it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lumière on October 19, 2006, 07:02:56 pm
Hey Dafna ..

The Latter Days novel was adapted from CJ Cox's screenplay for the movie!  I am dying to get my hands on that one. ;)  Like you, I am building my movie collection considerably these days and I havent been to the theatre in months actually!

One movie that I have not yet found the courage to watch again is Mysterious Skin.  It was very well-done but hard to watch.  I'll have to suck it up and watch it again one of these days. Joseph Gordon-Levitt (aka "Ryder" in Latter Days) gave a phenomenal performance in it!  Quite the talented young actor he is!


agree the kitchen scene is very, very real . . . that slap and his reaction! I too bought the novel . . . got obsessed w/ LD for a while there . . .:) If I want a good cry anytime I just watch the 3am music video . . . .

Please don't get me started about that song ..  ;)  I get a lump in my throat everytime I watch it!


Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: starboardlight on October 20, 2006, 01:28:56 pm
Hey Dafna ..

The Latter Days novel was adapted from CJ Cox's screenplay for the movie!  I am dying to get my hands on that one. ;)  Like you, I am building my movie collection considerably these days and I havent been to the theatre in months actually!

One movie that I have not yet found the courage to watch again is Mysterious Skin.  It was very well-done but hard to watch.  I'll have to suck it up and watch it again one of these days. Joseph Gordon-Levitt (aka "Ryder" in Latter Days) gave a phenomenal performance in it!  Quite the talented young actor he is!


Please don't get me started about that song ..  ;)  I get a lump in my throat everytime I watch it!




btw, the score for Mysterious Skin is amazing.
http://phobos.apple.com/WebObjects/MZStore.woa/wa/viewAlbum?id=62829836&s=143441
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on October 31, 2006, 12:06:47 pm
I added (and watched) Big Eden last night.

This is a tender-hearted movie with a feel-good ending.  Good performances all around, and top-notch production values.  I'm delighted to own this film.

I was touched by the community in Big Eden:  oh! if only there really was a small town where straight people are so accepting of gay people!  To be honest, this required a lot of suspension of disbelief on my part.  Still, it's a beautiful fantasy, and I hope that it served as a type of role model for any small-town folk that have seen it.

[NB: spoilers in this paragraph] It's not a flawless movie by any means; the script in particular doesn't show enough of Henry's growing love for Pike.  The final scene doesn't really make sense because of that, when I think about it...

But then again, I don't really want to think about it.   :P  I got my happy ending, and was glad of it.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on October 31, 2006, 12:44:24 pm
Quote from: Dafna link=topic=89.msg102196#msgjavascript:void(0);102196 date=1161296396
Lucise, I also order too many movies from Amazon.  :) But then again I like owning the movies so I can watch them over and over and rarely have I got one I didn't like.

Speaking of buying movies. . . which I've finally started to do (Latter Days was the first, BBM second), I'm always looking for the best prices . . . a couple of you mention buying from Amazon, which I haven't done. Have bought a couple used on eBay, but lately I'm finding I can buy new cheaper at deepdiscountdvd.com, shipping is usually free (excessive or unknown shipping charges are a deal-killer for me). I've been looking for the 2-disc set Maurice; the cheapest I've found is deepdiscount:
http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=maurice&search.x=0&search.y=0 (http://search.deepdiscountdvd.com/search?p=Q&ts=custom&w=maurice&search.x=0&search.y=0)
I wish I could find it cheaper . . . . (I'm poor!)

I've also been subscribing to a newsletter from the DVDtalk. Their site has a search feature that looks for titles and compares prices, but I don't know how thorough it is, maybe it's just of site sponsors. They also link to reviews which I've found helpful, because sometimes it's hard to know (from eBay, for example) if what's being sold is widescreen/fullscreen, has extras, etc. Here's their site:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/ (http://www.dvdtalk.com/)

I'd like to hear about other DVD buying resources from you guys . . .
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on October 31, 2006, 08:05:56 pm
I buy mostly at DeepDiscountDVD, then Amazon (only when it is sometimes cheaper, which does happen from time to time).  At Amazon, your order has to be $25 or more to get free shipping, but because I'm a serious collector, I'm always ordering several at a time.

Once in a blue moon, I buy from TLA Releasing.  They almost never have the best prices, and shipping is never free, but they have the biggest selection of gay movies that I'm aware of.  If I can't find a gay-themed movie elsewhere, I can always go there.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on November 01, 2006, 03:39:45 pm
This one has been discussed here before, but it deserves to be mentioned again: Y tu mamá tambien!
I've bought the dvd at the airport London Heathrow before I returned from the Euro Brokie meeting in September and just now watched it for the first time. I think it's fantastic, and the kissing scene between Gael Garcia Bernal and Diego Luna must be one of the sexiest things ever put to film!

 :)

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/pipedream_photos/Filme/Ytumamtambien.jpg)

(http://i79.photobucket.com/albums/j131/pipedream_photos/Filme/Ytumamatambien2.jpg)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on November 02, 2006, 02:57:13 pm
This one has been discussed here before, but it deserves to be mentioned again: Y tu mamá tambien!
I've bought the dvd at the airport London Heathrow before I returned from the Euro Brokie meeting in September and just now watched it for the first time. I think it's fantastic, and the kissing scene between Gael Garcia Bernal and Diego Luna must be one of the sexiest things ever put to film!

I agree it's very hot . . . for me the hottest, most erotic screen kiss between guys (in the movies I've seen thusfar) is in Steam: The Turkish Bath (Hamam). Ironically, the couple is seen for just a few seconds and it is the only moment in the film showing physical intimacy. Nevertheless, for me, it's incredibly powerful. I've often wondered if it's so effective because it is so short, i.e., less is more....

Anybody got other nominees?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Dafna on November 02, 2006, 05:47:00 pm
So many movies! But that's a good thing.  :)

dot-matrix, I'm sorry someone was so mean to you at the imdb board. I post there only a tiny bit. I have had a few nasty responses at boards. It's easy for people to hide behind and be mean through an anonymous computer name it seems.

Impish, I agree with what you said about the relationship between Henry and Pike. I certainly would have liked to see that explored a little bit more in the movie. But like you I am just so grateful for such a feel good happy ending that at this point I don't care. Need more happy endings like this. I have recommended this movie to friends.

I have to admit that I am hopelessly devoted to Amazon. I only get U.S. mail at my PO Box and they always will ship to me there. I get most of my books and music from them also.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on November 21, 2006, 11:55:21 am
I saw "Shortbus" last night, as I reported in the Anything Goes forum.

This is John Cameron Mitchell's second movie; his first was "Hedwig and the Angry Inch."  He's done it again: come up with a brilliant movie that is completely different than anything you have seen before.

As you may have heard, this movie contains explicit, non-simulated sex; in fact, the opening sequence includes a guy giving himself a blow job and this is just one of several sex scenes in the opening.  Some may want to walk out after the first 10 minutes, but don't do it.  Hang in there through to the end.


How did Mitchell make a movie about the role of sex in people's lives that is also heart-warming?  I was crying at the end, from joy.

IMHO, the best movie of 2006.  DO NOT MISS THIS MOVIE
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shakesthecoffecan on November 21, 2006, 12:04:52 pm
Cool, I will see about getting it today.

I watched Food of Love over the weekend. I would recomend that also, but it is a strange movie. In the begining I feel sorry for all the characters and at the end they are all getting on my nerves.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Front-Ranger on November 21, 2006, 03:52:47 pm
One of my favorite movies is by Sally Potter and it is called Orlando. It is from a novel by Virginia Woolf about a boy growing up in Elizabethan England who actually lives until modern times, changing into a woman about halfway through the story. Not exactly a gay-themed movie but more of a transgender one. It stars Tilda Swinton and Billy Zane is in it too. Also Quentin Crisp plays Elizabeth I.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lynne on November 21, 2006, 05:56:25 pm
Hey Dafna ..

The Latter Days novel was adapted from CJ Cox's screenplay for the movie!  I am dying to get my hands on that one. ;)  Like you, I am building my movie collection considerably these days and I havent been to the theatre in months actually!

One movie that I have not yet found the courage to watch again is Mysterious Skin.  It was very well-done but hard to watch.  I'll have to suck it up and watch it again one of these days. Joseph Gordon-Levitt (aka "Ryder" in Latter Days) gave a phenomenal performance in it!  Quite the talented young actor he is!

Please don't get me started about that song ..  ;)  I get a lump in my throat everytime I watch it!

I watched Mysterious Skin on Sunday - dark, powerful, gripping.  I agree that it was hard to watch.  And I think Joseph Gordon-Levitt has a brilliant future ahead of him based on Latter Days and this.  I'm anxious to see more of him - such versatility, physicality, and he's really just getting started.

One of my favorite movies is by Sally Potter and it is called Orlando. It is from a novel by Virginia Woolf about a boy growing up in Elizabethan England who actually lives until modern times, changing into a woman about halfway through the story. Not exactly a gay-themed movie but more of a transgender one. It stars Tilda Swinton and Billy Zane is in it too. Also Quentin Crisp plays Elizabeth I.

Thanks, Lee...over in the flirtin' thread I was going 'Hunh?' Ennis-style about Quentin Crisp.  I added Orlando and Yes to my Netflix queue :).
-Lynne
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on November 21, 2006, 08:24:40 pm
Cool, I will see about getting it today.

Shortbus is not out on DVD yet.... still in extremely limited release.  Most theatres refuse to show it.   

Look for it at an indie artsty-fartsy theatre in your area.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: saucycobblers on November 22, 2006, 09:54:06 am
One of my favorite movies is by Sally Potter and it is called Orlando. It is from a novel by Virginia Woolf about a boy growing up in Elizabethan England who actually lives until modern times, changing into a woman about halfway through the story. Not exactly a gay-themed movie but more of a transgender one. It stars Tilda Swinton and Billy Zane is in it too. Also Quentin Crisp plays Elizabeth I.


Ooooo, I love Orlando. I used to use it for one of my film classes - very challenging for the students, both thematically and filmicly.

As a matter of interest, are there any Derek Jarman fans on the thread?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Impish on November 24, 2006, 11:27:13 am
"Another Gay Movie" was just released on DVD, and it was added to my collection on Wednesday.

This is a comedic romp about 4 high schoolers who make a pact to lose their anal virginity before the end of the summer.  It's an over-the-top, gross-out, sophomoric humor flick; appropriate here because it's about teen-aged kids.  It's set in a fantasy world in which there is no homophobia, parents are always supportive, public affection is no big deal, etc., much like the  world of the movie "Big Eden."

It's a lot of fun, but I don't think straight audiences would enjoy it as much, simply because so much of it is based on in-jokes.  Director Todd Stephens created a film with a clear target audience:  gay men.

PS:  my copy was defective, and I suspect it's a problem affecting all copies.  If you are planning to buy, I'd hold off a bit until they get that corrected.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: twistedude on November 27, 2006, 12:36:10 am
I think "Parting Glances" and "Mysterious Skin" are two of the best movies I ever saw.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on November 27, 2006, 04:24:49 pm
As a matter of interest, are there any Derek Jarman fans on the thread?
I haven't seen too much of his work, but I did enjoy his Edward II. I have a copy of his book, Dancing Ledge, and appreciate that too. I don't know if I've been exposed to enough of his work to qualify as a fan, but he's certainly of interest to me.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: saucycobblers on November 27, 2006, 04:57:26 pm
I haven't seen too much of his work, but I did enjoy his Edward II. I have a copy of his book, Dancing Ledge, and appreciate that too. I don't know if I've been exposed to enough of his work to qualify as a fan, but he's certainly of interest to me.

I find some of his work hard going, but it's always fascinating, unique and challenging. My favourite of those I've seen is 'The Last of England', although many consider 'War Requiem' his best - unfortunately I've not seen it yet. I've seen many interviews with him and some of his home movies when they were screened on tv and think he was an extraordinary man - his whole attitude to work, life, art, people, the way he chose to live was completely his own. It's a very hard feat pull off in the modern world and he came across as a truly generous spirit. His writing was also very beautiful - I challenge anyone to read 'Smiling in Slow Motion', his diaries during the last 3 years of his life, and not be moved beyond tears by the extraordinary relationship he had with his partner and the courage with which he bore his illness.

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: azphil on December 19, 2006, 02:06:02 pm
On 10-31-06 "ekeby" said:  I'd like to hear about other DVD buying resources from you guys . . .

Here's a couple of thoughts.  Amazon.com 'Used' prices are sometimes best, but if it's a popular gay release they're nothing special.  Plus, you gotta pay a $2.59 shipping fee.

DeepDiscountDVD.com (http://DeepDiscountDVD.com) is very often best on price (+ no shipping fee) but receipt time pretty darn slow.

But don't forget to check out DVDPacific.com (http://DVDPacific.com)----lotta times their prices somewhat lower than DeepD----but they do have small shipping fee of $1.58 (but I find they get them to you very quickly, a real plus to me).

But, Overall, make sure you check out:  DVDPriceSearch.com (http://DVDPriceSearch.com) for pretty much across-the-board pricing.  Plus they've got a great power-search setup and a good check for coupons/specials.

Happy Hunting / Happy Buying
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on December 19, 2006, 02:34:58 pm

I have recently gone nuts ordering movies from amazon .. some movies I am waiting for:
- Soldier's girl
- Monster
-The truth about Jane
- and the Latter Days novel!


Gone nuts ordering new movies? Lol. How I can relate to that!   :P

I, too, bought Monster recently and thought it was really good. Charlize Theron truly is amazing in it! 
Also quite cute is the British movie My Summer of Love about a lower class girl who falls in love with a girl from a rich family.  :)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on December 26, 2006, 01:28:54 pm

I just saw Fremde Haut (international title: Unveiled), a very touching movie about Fariba, a young woman from Iran who seeks asylum in Germany after being prosecuted for having a relationship with a woman in her country. German authorities deny her the right to permanent residence, but she finds a way to stay by adopting the identity of a male compatriot who has committed suicide. Living as a man in the cramped quarters of an asylum-seekers’ hostel, she has a hard time not being unmasked. To earn enough money for a new passport she illegally takes on a job in a Sauerkraut factory where she falls in love with single mother Anne, a coworker. Lead actress Jasmin Tabatabai (who is also a well known musician in Germany) was actually born in Iran, and she does a terrific job as Fariba. Her love interest is played by Anneke Kim Sarnau who was the German woman in The Constant Gardener. She, too is very good and there are certainly erotic sparks flying between the two of them. Recommended!

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Pipedream on December 26, 2006, 07:34:40 pm
A German classic was shown on television these days: Mädchen in Uniform (Girls in Uniform) with the gorgeous Romy Schneider and Lilli Palmer.

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1910. A young girl in a Prussian boarding school falls in love with her teacher. The 1958 film with Romy Schneider is actually a remake of a 1931 version, an early German talkie.

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The original is supposedly even better than the 1958 version with Romy Schneider, but I've yet to see it. I love Romy Schneider. She truly was a gem and died much too soon.  :'(

The films are based on a novel by Christa Winsloe who was a lesbian herself. The 1931 version with Hertha Thiele and Dorothea Wieck in the lead roles gained international fame as one of the first films dealing with the subject of gay love between women. 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Brokeback_Dev on December 27, 2006, 12:25:34 am
Gia Angelina Jolie plays the beautiful model Gia who falls love with another woman.  Its a true story about the first super model and it takes place in the 1980's.  She becomes addicted to herion. 

I've already mentioned Brokeback Mountain of course, and Boy's Don't Cry.  Hillary Swank won best actress academy award for playing her part as Brandon Teena in this sad but true story.

A silly but fun gay themed movie is But I'm a Cheerleader Its about teenage boys and girls who are sent away to  recover from being gay.  Very 10th grade but fun anyway.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Kd5000 on December 27, 2006, 11:29:53 pm
I recently rented  "Straight-Jacket"  and expected it to be a fluff piece in the same line as DOWN WITH LOVE.  The film has alot of comedic elements given the subject matter, i.e.  about a closeted A-list actor living in Hollywood in the 1950's. Definately inspired by Rock Hudson, but an unexpected if unrealistic ending.   I'd say it's worth the rent.

I used to have the movie poster for "Another  Country" hanging in my bedroom back in the late 1980's early 1990's.  The poster leaves little to the imagination with Rupert Everett gazing straight into your eyes.   I thought it was quite well made and pretty edgey for 1984.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0086904/posters

I've seen all the "Mens shorts" and "Boy's shorts" that you can rent.  I think there are up to #5 on some of these. There a compiilation of short films.  I quite enjoy them. More slice of gay life with no beginning or ending to the film.  Some are coming out stories, some are silly, some deal with heavy issues, etc. You don't know what your getting when you rent or see this at a film festival.

The Laramie Project  (HBO) I've seen and it was quite well done.

I like "The Opposite of Sex"  and thought "Happy Endings"  a worthy follow up by the director.

"White Squall" has alot of homoerotic imagery, if not a gay story per say, they do have alot of pretty boys in wet t-shirts or just shirtless as it takes place on a boat most of the time.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lynne on January 02, 2007, 05:04:05 am
http://www.newyorkblade.com/2006/12-29/arts/film/yirmovies.cfm   (Highlighted text is mine. --Lynne)

Top Five Queer Cinematic Honors of 2006
By GREG MARZULLO
Friday, December 29, 2006

This was a year of gay surprises in the film world, mostly because many of the top choices weren’t necessarily gay films at all. Their themes included gay material that propelled the stories and characters into moving territories, but these are not the typical coming-out, club-dancing, thinly veiled porn flicks so often seen in queer cinema. After combing through 52 weeks of reviews, I chose five movies that were my gay favorites of the year. (And though “Brokeback Mountain” hype reached its, um, peak in 2006, the film was officially a 2005 release.)

V for Vendetta Religious fanaticism, a tyrannical national leader, military quagmires and a complete disregard for civil rights is the backdrop for this politically, artistically and emotionally powerful film. Surprisingly, the gay press didn’t heavily cover the story of Evey (Natalie Portman), a woman who becomes inspired to fight against a tyrannical theocratic government after reading the story of a lesbian’s struggle for human liberation. The honesty of the performances and strength of its message made it one of my must-see movies of the year.

United 93 Everyone asked whether or not it was too early to dig into the national wound caused by 9/11. The answer was unequivocal: It was absolutely too early. Still, director Paul Greengrass’ re-creation of the events on flight United 93, which crashed into a rural field in Shanksville, Pa., on 9/11, was a beautiful memorial to the passengers, their families and the collectively scarred psyche of America. No manipulation was required to evoke strong emotions, and Greengrass wisely refrained from cinematic tricks to heighten the drama. Mark Bingham, the gay rugby player who died aboard, was not a highlighted character, but his everyday heroism showed how gay people are part of the American family in life and death.

Infamous This second Truman Capote film had the unfortunate distinction of coming fast on the heels of the well-received biopic “Capote,” which garnered an Academy Award for Philip Seymour Hoffman. However, “Infamous” was possibly the more engaging film. Hoffman always gave off the impression that he was displaying his impressive, technical acting technique while Toby Jones, the Capote of “Infamous,” moved between Truman’s glittering repartee to his crushing loneliness with remarkable ease and believability. That combined with the smoldering seduction scenes between Capote and Perry Smith (an exquisite Daniel Craig, pre-Bond) made “Infamous” a more notably gay and better film.
 
Jesus Camp  There certainly wasn’t anything gay about this documentary, but it definitely is important for gay viewers. The Christian camp counselors at the religious summer camp profiled in this film have no qualms about indoctrinating kids into a cult of narrow-mindedness and hatred. Harry Potter is anathema to campers, and their mouths are taped with red duct-tape to push them deeper into a state of religious mania during an anti-abortion prayer session. It’s difficult to figure out how to combat ultra-religious conservatives who abuse children. Perhaps, gays should start recruiting kids—not to a life of homosexuality but to a life of progressive thought.
 
Shortbus By far, this was my favorite movie of the year. John Cameron Mitchell’s sophomore filmmaking effort exceeded expectations in performance, themes and storytelling. Broaching the taboo subject of sex in ways that were refreshing, humorous, painful and, oftentimes, breathtakingly beautiful, “Shortbus” could be a manual for sexual exploration and vulnerability—a how-to for those who believe that sex can be more than flat porn and repressed fantasies. Gay, straight, lesbian, bi and everything in between gets a no-holds-barred treatment from Mitchell and his cast of mostly unknown actors, so hop on the short bus and enjoy the ride.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Kd5000 on January 03, 2007, 03:00:34 pm
He neglected RUNNING WITH SCISSORS.    Annette Bening and Joseph Cross gave outstanding  performances. I must say I enjoyed the book much better then the film.  Maybe I saw it too soon after LITTLE MISS SUNSHINE.  Seeing two Wes Anderson type films back to back might be too much. 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: squashcourt on January 11, 2007, 08:27:47 pm
Hi,

Have you seen the movie MAURICE based on the English novelist E.M. Forster?

I remember seeing it on TV late 1990s (PBS).  Hugh Grant was in it.

Not sure if available on DVD.

Story based on 2 Oxford students who meet. 

Pierre -  ;)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Shuggy on January 12, 2007, 04:45:42 pm
I find some of his work hard going, but it's always fascinating, unique and challenging. My favourite of those I've seen is 'The Last of England', although many consider 'War Requiem' his best - unfortunately I've not seen it yet.

I HATED The Last of England. Sort of minimalist. I seem to remember some torture/beating and a lot of scenes in ruined buildings with stray bonfires in them. Made no sense to me at all and I just waited for it to finish, though I'm told it was an attack on Thatcher's Britain.

The Jarman work I remember, love, and would see again is Sebastian about the saint, presented in a very gay context: he's exiled to a bit of a wilderness for not having sex with the Emperor of Rome, but it's a wilderness populated by beautiful young gay men who spend a lot of the time naked, washing and scraping/shaving each other. Very erotic, except the ending where he gets shot with arrows (at least not erotic for me). It's in Latin which I have seen described as "schoolboy", but so's mine.

I haven't seen War Requiem but I'm told the soundtrack is the original Decca recording, with Pears, Fisher-Diskau and Galina Vishnevskaya (Mrs-slav Rostropovich), Britten conducting, which I know like the back of my hand.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: brokeback-fan on January 12, 2007, 07:11:25 pm
I know some of you have mentioned this movie, but Big Eden is the most wonderful gay movie I have seen.  It is heartwarming and very touching.  Some people would say it is like a fairy tale (NPI), but that is what movies are for.  I LOVE this movie.  Arye Gross is so sweet in this movie - very lovable.  I swooned over Eric Schweig! He is one sexy Native American! Netflix it today.  :)

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: saucycobblers on January 16, 2007, 02:03:53 pm
I HATED The Last of England. Sort of minimalist. I seem to remember some torture/beating and a lot of scenes in ruined buildings with stray bonfires in them. Made no sense to me at all and I just waited for it to finish, though I'm told it was an attack on Thatcher's Britain.

I think maybe, like I did, you have to have grown up in Thatcher's Britain for it to really resonate. My students, who obviously didn't, had a hard time with it too - and I only showed them 15 minutes of it.  ::) A child of its time perhaps.

It really pisses me off that British TV never shows any of his work as a lot of it isn't available on region 2 DVD either. Sebastian sounds really interesting...
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: ekeby on January 17, 2007, 12:18:41 am
saw The History Boys tonight . . . really liked it... very smart movie . . . .highly recommended
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Lynne on January 26, 2007, 04:16:55 am
Trick abd Billy's Hollwood Screen Kisses are two really fun movies, that most of my friends refuse to admit they like. They not great intellectual movies to be sure, and they don't have social/political commentary. They are what When Harry Met Sally is meant to be. Just fun, light movies. I enjoyed them a lot, but I hesitate to recommend them, because it's easy for people to put them down for being light and not serious.

I agree with Shuggy. I love Tori Spelling in Trick. Her one monologues in the diner really showed her comedic chops.

Hey - just wanted to pipe in that I saw Trick a coupla days ago!  I'm sl-ow-ly working my way down my list of G/L titles.  Thanks for the recommendation - it was completely cute and worth the time.  I agree with you about Tori Spelling, and it was neat to see Miss Coco Peru of Impish cruise fame.   ;)

-Lynne
 8)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Br. Patrick on January 26, 2007, 09:44:56 am
Here's another award winning film that I digitally recorded on my cable's "Free Movies On Demand"  I've sent a copy to Lynne, gave one to my therapist and watched it three times in the last few days.  I cry harder each time.  This is a film that was made to be seen again and again.  You practically have to because the film takes place in 3 time periods.  It's also neat that I saw it on my first BBM Film Birthday! 1-23-2007

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on December 14, 2007, 11:51:43 pm
I just discovered this thread and thought I'd revive it.

I finally found a copy of a French gay film from 1983 that really had an impact on me when I first saw it.  It's called L'Homme Blessé - The Wounded Man.  The director is Patrice Chéreau who went on to do Queen Margot & Intimacy, his only english language film and the strangely affecting Son Frère another gay-themed film from 2005.

The two leads, a young and sexy Jean-Hugues Anglade (Betty Blue) and Vittorio Mezzogiorno give excellent performances in a rather bleak & sordid story.  This is definitely not a politically correct gay rom-com.

Anyway, I had forgotten that it features one of the most erotic same-sex kiss I've seen on film.  It's in the same league as BbM for intensity, although in a rather violent situation.  And two years before My Beautiful Laundrette.   I just love the French!

Has anyone here seen or heard of it?  I'd love to hear what you think!

Here's a comment from an IMDb user that I can certainly relate to:
Though for most of us, sexiness is a variable quality, I cannot recall a movie that did for me what this one does. It transported me into an awfully familiar realm of longing and desire. All the compulsive attraction, uncertainty over the outcome, the palpable fear and excitement so attendant to that state of arousal were brought to fever pitch by this flick. So French and what I consider daring! No matter what your orientation, I think that the danger of chasing your desire is brought full-front and center here...much more so, say, than with Kubrick's "Eyes Wide Shut".

For other comments: http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084085/usercomments (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0084085/usercomments)

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Katness on January 08, 2008, 08:33:21 am
Out of those ones, I've seen:

The Adventures of Priscilla, Queen of the Desert
Angels in America
Before Night Falls
My Beautiful Laundrette
Mysterious Skin
The Sum of Us (with a very young Russel Crowe)
The Trip

The others I may have to see.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: loneleeb3 on January 08, 2008, 11:19:53 am
I have recently seen two movies that I highly recommend!
The first is Beautiful Thing. It's a british movie about two highschool boys who fall in love.
It's funny and sad. It has a great cast of characters. I don't know any of them from other movies as they are all british. But it is a beautiful movie.
The next is Latter Days! It is gut wrenching. It has some very powerful moments and some undeniable truths!
If you haven't seen these I suggest going to find them and watch them!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on January 08, 2008, 01:04:53 pm
Excellent recommendations loneleeb3,  I really enjoyed both Beautiful Thing and Latter Days.

Here's one to avoid:

Food of Love by Ventura Pons.  It's an adaptation of David Leavitt's novella The Page Turner about a music student who falls in love with a concert pianist.  It's one of the worst movies I've seen in quite a while. (Has Ventura Pons ever made a watchable film?) The actor who plays the page turner is so horrible that's it's actually embarrassing to watch.  I think having a good actor in that role could have saved the film.  Maybe.  Juliet Stevenson, who can be good, is just annoying here as the over-bearing high-strung mother.  The film although much of it is set in beautiful Barcelona feels like a bad TV movie.  Also, for a movie about love, it doesn't have a hint of sensuality or eroticism.  Thumbs down / 1 star out of 5 / hated it

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PS:  I also post on Dave Cullen so my apologies if you've been seeing my similar posts there.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Br. Patrick on January 08, 2008, 01:55:17 pm
The next is Latter Days! It is gut wrenching. It has some very powerful moments and some undeniable truths!
If you haven't seen these I suggest going to find them and watch them!

Latter Days is an absolutely fantastic film that every Brokie should watch because it is so positive and it has a really happy ending.  It's Sexy and also contains real Spiritual truths conveyed in an incredibly beautiful way!  It has great music and if you like the film, (and I can't imagine a Brokie who wouldn't) you'll probably also want the Soundtrack.  It is just Great. *****  5 Stars for me~!

{{{Cyberhugs}}}   :) :P ::)

br. p
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Artiste on January 08, 2008, 11:59:41 pm
Oilgun, can we see clips, trailers, etc., on YouTube or elsewhere about these two gay films, oui, oui??

As you say: I finally found a copy of a French gay film from 1983 that really had an impact on me when I first saw it.  It's called L'Homme Blessé - The Wounded Man.  The director is Patrice Chéreau who went on to do Queen Margot & Intimacy, his only english language film and the strangely affecting Son Frère another gay-themed film from 2005.


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Hugs! And how do you add pics on Bettermost?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on January 10, 2008, 11:20:59 am
Oilgun, can we see clips, trailers, etc., on YouTube or elsewhere about these two gay films, oui, oui??

I haven't come across anything but let me know if you do.

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Correctly, without the spaces, the above link gives me this:

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Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: moremojo on January 10, 2008, 11:36:49 am
Has anyone here seen or heard of it?
I have heard of this film by Chereau (who is himself a gay man) but have never seen it. Critic David Ehrenstein (also gay) thinks very highly of it, and recently contrasted if favorably with the (to his mind and mine) homophobic 1980 feature Cruising, which apparently treads similar thematic ground. Here are two pertinent comments from Ehrenstein relating to Chereau's film which appeared on the online discussion group 'A Film By':

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47365 (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47365)

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47397 (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47397)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on January 10, 2008, 05:34:17 pm
I have heard of this film by Chereau (who is himself a gay man) but have never seen it. Critic David Ehrenstein (also gay) thinks very highly of it, and recently contrasted if favorably with the (to his mind and mine) homophobic 1980 feature Cruising, which apparently treads similar thematic ground. Here are two pertinent comments from Ehrenstein relating to Chereau's film which appeared on the online discussion group 'A Film By':

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47365 (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47365)

http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47397 (http://movies.groups.yahoo.com/group/a_film_by/message/47397)

Thanks for directing me to that discussion Moremojo.  The biggest problem I had with Cruising was having to cross a picket line of friends to see it. Three times.  I couldn't care less that it didn't portray the gay community in a positive light palatable to straight sensibilities.  The leather scene depicted looked pretty authentic to me.  I keep thinking that if a gay director had made the very same film and it was mainly screened at gay venues, that gays would have embraced it for its rawness & (sur)realism.  Like I said on another thread somewhere, it was my first time seeing, on screen, some hot tough looking guys getting it on (and passionately kissing!), I loved it!  The confusing story was secondary, lol! 

Anyway you should definitely add L'Homme blessé to your Netflix queue.  I'll rewatch it (in its entirety) and see how it compares with Cruising.  It's definitely more real, emotionally, like so many French films I find, which makes it harder to watch.  I see Cruising as a horror-thriller while L'Homme blessé is a character-driven psycho-sexual drama.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on January 10, 2008, 05:39:25 pm
El Mar (2000) directed by Agustin Villaronga.  Starring Roger Casamajor (the rebel from Pan's Labyrinth), Bruno Bergonzini & Antonia Torrens.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0220631/

I was in pure ecstasy watching this, it has everything I love in a film:  Gorgeous minimalist art direction, handsome, thin, wan consumptive guys, repressed sexual desires, tortured psyches, Catholic imagery, violent (homo)sex, murderous passion & ... nuns!  I'm actually trembling as I write this.  ;)

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A review from an enthusiastic IMDb user:

Like his earlier film, "In a Glass Cage", Agustín Villaronga achieves an intense and highly poetic canvas that is even more refined visually than its predecessor. This is one of the most visually accomplished and haunting pictures one could ever see. The heightened drama, intensity and undertone of violence threatens on the melodramatic or farcical, yet never steps into it. In that way, it pulls off an almost impossible feat: to be so over-the-top and yet so painfully restrained, to be so charged and yet so understated, and even the explosive finales are virtuosic feasts of the eye. Unabashed, gorgeous, and highly tense... this film is simply superb!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Artiste on January 11, 2008, 12:03:10 am
Thanks oilgun!

Any clips about:

El Mar?

L'homme blessé?

Hugs!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: oilgun on January 11, 2008, 12:35:53 am
Thanks oilgun!

Any clips about:

El Mar?

L'homme blessé?

Hugs!

Like I said, I haven't come across any but if you're interested, both films are available to rent from zip.ca
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: shortfiction on August 16, 2008, 09:37:00 pm
I just saw Big Eden last week and it was very nice--sweet, endearing, quirky and charming.   
Highly recommended.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: JCinNYC2006 on September 09, 2008, 08:52:15 pm
I was in pure ecstasy watching this, it has everything I love in a film:  Gorgeous minimalist art direction, handsome, thin, wan consumptive guys, repressed sexual desires, tortured psyches, Catholic imagery, violent (homo)sex, murderous passion & ... nuns!  I'm actually trembling as I write this.  ;)  <snip>
That is hilarious!  I rented this but didn't get a chance to watch it, I'll have to find it and pop it in sometime...although In A Glass Darkly was freaky deaky!  L'Homme Blesse, there's a film I haven't seen in I don't know how long....
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: wardbond on January 12, 2011, 10:33:52 pm
don't for get Billy's Hollywood Screen Kiss

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137386/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0137386/)

or one third of the plot from   The Rules of Attraction (2002)

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292644/ (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0292644/)

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Front-Ranger on January 14, 2011, 12:38:44 pm
Welcome, wardbond! Tell us more!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Jeff Wrangler on January 14, 2011, 12:56:48 pm
Welcome, wardbond! Tell us more!

Must be a fan of movies from way back.  8)

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000955/bio (http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0000955/bio)

Seems like they couldn't have made movies between 1930 and 1960 without this guy. He's in just about all my favorite "oldies."  :)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Marge_Innavera on January 19, 2011, 11:46:36 am
Prayers For Bobby, which aired last year(?) on Lifetime, is now available at Amazon, and for rent at Netflix.

http://www.amazon.com/Prayers-Bobby-Ryan-Kelley/dp/B0042EJDCQ/ref 

http://www.netflix.com/Movie/Prayers-for-Bobby/70112524
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Mandy21 on February 11, 2012, 12:21:08 am
I just finished watching "Handsome Harry" from 2009.  When I started watching, I didn't even realize it was going to touch on homosexuality.  But a lot of the plot points began to lead in that general direction.  It was a pretty good film, with touching performances by Jamey Sheridan and Campbell Scott -- two ex-Navy buddies that meet up every 32 fuckin' years.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: brokeback-fan on February 26, 2012, 07:24:45 pm
Since everyone has listed most of them - I have a couple that I also enjoyed:


Just Say Love
Get Real
Nico and Dani
Boy A
C.R.A.Z.Y.
Steam: the Turkish Bath
Summer Storm
Swimming Upstream – not gay, but beautiful movie and boys in speedos!
Billy Elliott
Connie and Carla
History Boys
Beautiful Thing
Maurice
Milk
Just a Question of Love
Jeffrey
All Over the Guy
Edge of Seventeen
East Side Story
Mambo Italiano
Trans America
L’Ennemi Naturel – let me tell you, this was one of the sexiest French movies I have ever seen! Hard to find though. 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on August 23, 2013, 09:55:46 am
Mod-notice: Preface text by X-man added on request; Sept, 2nd, 2013

I like to learn the names of gay movies I have not encountered, but I appreciate knowing something about them so I can decide if it is worth my money to order them.  That is what I have tried to do with the films I have talked about below.  I hope that those of you who have films to recommend will help out and post not only their names, but something about them, and what made you like them.




I was totally blown away by Private Romeo (Wolfe Studios 2011), which I saw for the first time on Monday, and now watch every day.  I really was not prepared for it.  

The blurb on the back of the box says this:  "Set in a modern day military high school, the greatest romantic drama ever written seeps out of the classroom and permeates their lives.  Incorporating the original text of Romeo and Juliet, Youtube videos, and lip-synced indie rock music, Private Romeo takes viewers to a mysterious and tender place that only Shakespeare could have inspired."

I began seeing and reading Shakespeare when I was 12.  I really liked the histories and tragedies, but the love stories were something else.  I could never understand boy-girl love and sex, so R&J left me cold--all that verbal foreplay.  Two guys would just get down to business right away.  Also, I have spent long periods in all-male environments, which, frankly, I prefer.  All this may help to explain my reaction when I finally saw R&J in a context I could understand and relate to.  The language does not get in the way; it sweeps it along, creating waves of sexual tension and frustration as the lovers come together.  The tension is also there for 2 other cadets who are infatuated with Romeo and are wildly jealous of his new love (Matt Doyle).

The original R&J has a sad ending.  Not so Private Romeo.  You will finish the movie happy, with a smile on your face.  All in all it works great as a movie.  Take a chance on it.  Ah Romeo, Romeo.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on August 25, 2013, 10:33:34 am
A few postings ago I recommended the film Private Romeo.  I wrote to longtime moderator serious crayons about whether this site was the best place for such a posting.  She said it was.  So I hope to post similar descriptions/reviews of some of the gay films in my own small collection that not everyone may know about.  This kind of information is important to me, so I hope other people will do similar postings.

I only want films with happy endings.  Some BetterMostians have suggested that I have a dark view of the world.  This is probably true, and it explains why I am not interested in buying movies that mirror that view.  I have watched them, but I don't want them amongst my collection.  I mean films like Handsome Harry, A Single Man, Cruising, and Undertow (gay Nazis in prison?  I don't think so!  Even if the sex is not simulated.).  Enough, already, of these depressing films.

(Of course BBM is in a different league, no need to talk about it here.  BBM is not a movie; it is a gut-wrenching experience that left us all shaken.)

When I find out the name of a possible film I google it for reviews in order to decide if I want to order it.  I made a terrible mistake with Holding Trevor and Leather Jacket Love Story.  Holding Trevor is a glacially slow-moving hymn of praise to Trevor who is the writer, director and star.  Talk about narcissistic self-absorbtion!  I threw it away.  With Leather Jacket Love Story, I should have been smart enough to realize that the operative phrase would not be "Love Story" but "Leather Jacket" which turned out to be a code for S&M.  There was no clue of this in the reviews.  I threw it in the garbage as soon as I saw where it was headed.  Ugh.  I don't suppose we need to talk about Shelter.  Doesn't everyone already know about this gay cinema classic?

Next time I want to tell you about Strapped (TLA Releasing 2010), perhaps the best gay film I have seen.

 
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on August 27, 2013, 08:28:19 am
STRAPPED (TLA Releasing 2010)

After my disastrous encounter with Leather Jacket Love Story which I described before (It turned out to be S&M and I threw it out in disgust as soon as I saw where it was headed.), I was afraid that Strapped would be a bondage movie.  I did not need to worry.

The blurb on the box says this:  "A routine trick propels a tall, dark, cynical hustler (the strikingly handsome newcomer Ben Bonenfant) into a series of life-changing encounters in this stunningly photographed drama.  But this amicable and sexually efficient rent boy begins to look at himself differently when he finds himself lost in a maze-like apartment building.  On his journey through the building, he tricks with a variety of johns; sex is the commodity, but out of that comes raw, unguarded emotions for all.  Witty, sexy and touching, Strapped is an unforgettable look into one young man's journey to understanding."

I have watched it several times, but have not checked any reviews on-line.  So these are just my own thoughts about the film.

As the hustler visits each new apartment, he looks around and talks to the trick for a few moments, and then changes his name, story and personality to fit the new situation.  He tells each man that he never turns the same trick twice, but always goes on to someone new. 

The entire film revolves around a verbal exchange in the second apartment.  Three men sit looking at the hustler standing before them.  One does not believe him and asks, "Who are you (really)?  He replies with a quotation from the French writer Michel Foucault: "I am an agent of desire.  Do not ask me who I am, and do not ask me to remain the same."  The point is that the hustler is the agent of his tricks' desires, becoming what they want him to be in order to answer their desires.  Do not ask him who he is because, as we see in his unguarded moments, he doesn't know himself--until his  last encounter with the young poet.  In the poem he is inspired to write after their meeting, he says his longing is aimed at the hustler and then reflected back to himself.  Only now with the poet, when he finds true intimacy, does the hustler learn who he really is, and that he can at last remain the same.

This is a highly intelligent and subtle reworking of the hustler-turning-tricks plot familiar to gay films and literature.  Ben Bonenfant as The Hustler does a bang-up job with the acting he must so.  He is, as he tells us in the Bonus Features, a straight actor playing a gay hustler who is constantly changing personalities. 

Strapped bears watching more than once.  Each time you see it you will find new depths of meaning.  Strapped ranks with Private Romeo as the best gay movies I have seen.

On the DVD along with Strapped is the short film Screen Test.  A male model comes to a studio to be photographed.  The interaction between the model and the photographer is tender and sweet, and shows what can be done with a gay film in seven minutes.

Next time I want to tell you about and recommend  the Donald Strachey Mysteries, a four-film series from Here!, 2006-2008. 



Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 01, 2013, 04:21:14 pm
I notice that someone has recommended the UK film Maurice.  Rupert Graves as Alec Scudder, the young stablehand, does not even show up until the last third of the movie, but from there on the movie is his--and he provides the happy ending we want, but are afraid we aren't going to get.

YouTube has the full movie, and for the more jaded among us, someone has kindly made a 2-part video of the Rupert Graves section.  He was/is a terrific actor, and in those days he was very beautiful and hot.  I didn't realize that male full-frontal nudity was allowed in UK films in 1987, but there he is.

Watch both parts of the Scudder videos.  Five million people have watched the first part, but only a quarter of a million have watched the second.  They don't know what they are missing.

Go to <YouTube Maurice the complete movie> and to <rupert graves as alec scudder in maurice (1/2> and same citing for (2/2).  Enjoy.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: CellarDweller on September 01, 2013, 06:53:52 pm
I have a decent collection of DVDs that are gay-themed.

8:  The Mormon Proposition
Bear City
Big Eden
Billy Elliot
Boys In The Band
Brokeback Mountain
Handsome Harry
The Laramie Project
Latter Days
Maurice
Milk
My Beautiful Launderette
Out of the Past
Prom Queen
Shelter
Small Town Gay Bar
Sordid Lives
Stonewall Uprising
The Times of Harvey Milk
To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything, Julie Newmar
Trans America
Were The World Mine
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 14, 2013, 09:05:31 am
BETWEEN LOVE AND GOODBYE, tla releasing, 2009
Has anyone else seen this movie?  It is so bizarre I wonder how others have reacted to it,  My first time through I kept asking myself if I was really seeing what I thought I was seeing. 

The plot centres around Kyle and Marcel, a young couple in NY who are trying to make their relationship work and to con Immigration into letting Marcel stay in the US.  The Menace here is Kyle's super-bitch sister who will stop at absolutely nothing to break them up and get the apartment for herself.

The film take itself deadly seriously but the blurb on the box talks of "operatic excesses of melodrama."  That is the understatement of the century.  The two young men are hopelessly clued-out about everything, especially about the sister who is straight from hell.  Why Marcel would want to stay in the middle of the whole mess is inexplicable, except that he is so stupid.  The plotline and characterization are as subtle as a punch in the face.  You don't feel for the characters as much as shake your head in disbelief.

If you take the movie seriously, you will be disappointed.  If, however, you see it as a way-over-the-top parody, you will have a good time.  If you find it on the sale table in your video store or can rent it, and you feel like a little fun, pick it up.  I'm not sure I would go to the trouble of ordering it from Amazon.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies Gay Operas?
Post by: x-man on September 14, 2013, 12:19:30 pm
I didn't know where else to post this, so it's here.

We have gay Shakespeare, gay plays, gay movies--Why not gay operas?  (Yes I know about Billy Budd, but that is so forbidding and inaccessible to call out for something else.)  Shawn Kirchner could do it, even Rufus Wainwright, and others.

Then too, existing operas are crying out to be adapted.  Imagine La Traviata:  Hunky, naive, young artist finds slightly older, HIV positive party-boy in a dance club.  After a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex, the artist's father steps in and it is downhill from there.  Carmen would be easy: Hunky, naive, young soldier falls for slightly older, sophisticated, veritable sex machine, civilian mechanic on the military base.  They go AWOL to San Francisco, and after a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex, the mechanic tires of the soldier and hooks up with a professional athlete, and it's downhill from there.  Madam Butterfly:  Hunky, naive, young Japanese twink meets godlike bear American naval officer.  After a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex...Well a pattern seems to be developing here.  Anyway, why not gay operas?  Their time has come.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies Gay Operas?
Post by: milomorris on September 14, 2013, 06:25:54 pm
Shawn Kirchner could do it, even Rufus Wainwright, and others.

They are very good composers in their own genres, but opera is a whole different beast musically. And so is the operatic voice. Also, opera composers either need to know how to write for a full orchestra, or work with an orchestrator.

Then too, existing operas are crying out to be adapted.  Imagine La Traviata:  Hunky, naive, young artist finds slightly older, HIV positive party-boy in a dance club.  After a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex, the artist's father steps in and it is downhill from there.  Carmen would be easy: Hunky, naive, young soldier falls for slightly older, sophisticated, veritable sex machine, civilian mechanic on the military base.  They go AWOL to San Francisco, and after a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex, the mechanic tires of the soldier and hooks up with a professional athlete, and it's downhill from there.  Madam Butterfly:  Hunky, naive, young Japanese twink meets godlike bear American naval officer.  After a summer of spectacularly hot, continuous sex...Well a pattern seems to be developing here.  Anyway, why not gay operas?  Their time has come.

- I don't see much a market for it. Sure, there may be an initial novelty following for such adaptations, but--much like the practice of realizing standard operas in contemporary settings--it grows tiresome pretty quickly, and only a few directors would be able to pull it off well.

- There are plot problems. The libretti (especially for the operas you mention) would need to be altered to suit the alternative situations you describe. Swapping out the original words with words that fit your scenarios could have disastrous effects on the music and rhyme scheme. For example, Traviata opens with a party at Violetta's house. The libretto uses "festa" for party. The Italian word for nightclub is "discoteca." The latter would require fitting 4 syllables to music written for 2 syllables.

- Then there are gender problems. The female characters you mention think like women, express themselves like women, and the music written by the composers is optimized to relay that to the listener. Moreover, female voices do not behave identically to male voices. This is why there is idiomatically typical soprano music, versus say, idiomatically typical tenor music. And that doesn't even address the need for transposition into new keys...which is a huge "no-no" in the world of opera. The key an aria is written in is part and parcel of the overall mood and affect of a scene. Transposing an aria (or a role) destroys the overall harmonic structure of the opera.

I think that we should leave the standard operatic repertoire alone. It would be better to do what Charles Wuorinen and Annie Proulx are doing in Madrid: take a story about two homosexual men, and write a new opera based on that story. I am reminded of the opera Margaret Garner. Richard Danielpour and Toni Morrison collaborated to create an opera based on her book Beloved about a real-life slave woman. The result was an opera that told an actual story about the American experience. As sexual minorities, I think we deserve to have our stories told via the operatic art. We don't need to "gay-up" operas that already exist.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 15, 2013, 09:49:56 am
I absolutely knew before I posted that you, MM, would be the first on my tail.  You did not disappoint.  You follow me around BetterMost looking for new dragons to slay.  I hope I do not disappoint.

I was confused by the form your attack took.  Am I missing something?  My call for gay operas was genuine; my characterization of possible plot lines for gay adaptations of existing operas was not.  I was trying to burlesque opera plots in general.  (After all, we go/listen to them for the music, not complex, highly nuanced stories--for that we read books, watch plays.)  You must have seen that.  I would say with Ennis, "Lighten up on me, Jack," except that perhaps I am reading you wrong.  "Discoteca" instead of "fiesta"?  We're doing adaptations in Italian?  The libretto is sacrosanct?  Surely you aren't serious?

Actually, when I wrote I had in mind Preminger's 1954 film Carmen Jones.  I watched it again the other day, and was happy to discover that it stood up to time very well.  Carmen Jones and Private Romeo (which I have raved about before) tell me adaptations from one genre to another can be done successfully. You're probably right to urge new gay operas rather than screwing around with existing operas.  But a part of me would die to hear the first act of Traviata sung by two men--O quel amor!
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: milomorris on September 15, 2013, 06:07:47 pm
I absolutely knew before I posted that you, MM, would be the first on my tail.  You did not disappoint.  You follow me around BetterMost looking for new dragons to slay.  I hope I do not disappoint.

I don't treat you any differently than I treat any of the other Bettermostians. When I see a post with which I disagree, I challenge it. Plain and simple. It has nothing to do with you. I don't even know you.

Besides, I'm the only opera singer here at Bettermost, AFAIK. Why would I not be the first person to enter a discussion about an art form that I have been studying and practicing for most of my life?

I was confused by the form your attack took.

Attack?!?! There was no attack. There was a reasoned critique of your ideas. Again, I did not say anything of a personal nature at all.

Am I missing something?  My call for gay operas was genuine; my characterization of possible plot lines for gay adaptations of existing operas was not.  I was trying to burlesque opera plots in general.  (After all, we go/listen to them for the music, not complex, highly nuanced stories--for that we read books, watch plays.)  You must have seen that.  I would say with Ennis, "Lighten up on me, Jack," except that perhaps I am reading you wrong.  "Discoteca" instead of "fiesta"?  We're doing adaptations in Italian?  The libretto is sacrosanct?  Surely you aren't serious?

1. I did not catch on that your suggestions for adaptations was not serious. There was nothing in your post that communicated that.

2. Maybe you go to operas just to listen to the music, but there are many people who go there to experience the dramatic aspects.

3. Traviata was written in Italian. You did not suggest a translation. The libretto is not sacrosanct, but it would be awkward to fit a 4-syllable word to music that was originally written for a 2-syllable word.

Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: Front-Ranger on September 15, 2013, 11:48:37 pm
I was really enjoying this conversation. Would it be possible to overlook the potential conflict? You both have so much to contribute. Can we play nice in the sandbox please?
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: milomorris on September 16, 2013, 06:39:50 am
I was really enjoying this conversation. Would it be possible to overlook the potential conflict? You both have so much to contribute. Can we play nice in the sandbox please?

Absolutely. So let's continue from a point on which we all agree...

You're probably right to urge new gay operas rather than screwing around with existing operas.

There is a wealth of stories, plays, movies, biographies, and poetry written about sexual minorities that could serve as the basis for new operas. For example, and opera about Tchaikovsky might have broad appeal to opera consumers. Milk could also be turned into an opera. I could envision an opera about the life of Senator Barney Frank, or an opera about two all-American boys in the Marines who fall in love during the days of DADT, and have a happy ending after its repeal. There's lots of material out there, and plenty of composers who are coming to the operatic art form today. Jennifer Higdon is working on a Civil War opera right now titled Cold Mountain. Composer Jennifer is a Pulitzer Prize winner with international acclaim. She lives here in Philadelphia wither partner. I've met her once, but cannot say that I know her.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 16, 2013, 09:05:55 am
I agree with you, FR and MM, that we should look forward,  and I will do that.  I must, however, glance back for a moment to clear up one thing:  MM I never thought you were attacking me personally.  I am not so ego-involved with my postings as to think that.  When I wrote of "cavalry charges," "slaying dragons" and "attacks," I meant them as being against the issues I raised--your "reasoned critiques."   You say you don't even know me.  Actually you do.  In BetterMost all we really know of each other is what we reveal in our postings.  A few days ago I reviewed all of mine in chronological order, and realized, rather uncomfortably, that they were a surprisingly accurate, if partial, picture of me.  I suspect this is true of all of us.

Now we look forward.  I really like the idea of Milk and the young Marines facing DADT as operas.  Milk would be sad, but are there any happy operas?  Don't we have to turn to operetta for that?  (A gay Jeannette MacDonald and Nelson Eddy?  It sounds very campy, but fun.)  Maybe the DADT story could be the first happy opera.  I would insist on a film version.  Let's face it, love scenes viewed from the distance between theatre stage and audience are not what they are in movie closeups.  My mind races to the scene in the desert where beautiful Marines thrash in the sand.  (Well, you can't--or at least couldn't--do it in the barracks; I know that from personal experience.)
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: milomorris on September 16, 2013, 06:30:41 pm
Milk would be sad, but are there any happy operas?  Don't we have to turn to operetta for that?

Oh yes. And although operetta is primarily a comic genre, there are happy operas in the standard repertoire of grand operas. Magic Flute, Don Pasquale, Elixir of Love, Marriage of Figaro, and the Barber of Seville are all comic operas that are constantly being produced by opera companies large and small all over the world.

Maybe the DADT story could be the first happy opera.  I would insist on a film version.  Let's face it, love scenes viewed from the distance between theatre stage and audience are not what they are in movie closeups. 

There are a relatively small number of operas that have been made into movies. I don't mean filmed version of a staged production, but rather actual motion pictures shot on sound stages, on location, in back-lots, etc. There is one chamber opera that was written specifically for the purpose of being aired on television, and this Gian-Carlo Menotti's (another famous sexual minority) Amahl & the Night Visitors. But I am not aware of any operas out there created to be feature films. This could constitute yet another "first" for such a project.

Naturally, such a film would really only find its way into art-house movie theatres. But that is still a larger audience than an opera house would tender. Funding such a project would be a tricky and difficult prospect. But nowadays there are some production companies that will take on risky, cutting-edge projects. Focus Features is just one of them. Of course there is also the independent film production sphere, but those have distribution issues.
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 18, 2013, 02:18:49 pm
THE DL CHRONICLES The Complete First Season, Kiss But Don't Tell (Here! 2008)

I haven't seen this movie on anyone's list so far.  The DL stands for "down low," and the 4 episodes in the film describe the lives of 4 Black men who are "living on the down low, that is,  pretending to be straight but having sex with men.  The film presents this as a phenomenon of the Black community due to a higher degree of homophobia in Black culture (at least Black American culture) than in society at large.  I can't comment on the authenticity of this because I am a white Canadian and unfamiliar with Black culture.  I have had only one Black friend (straight), and have only slept with two Black men in my life (we didn't talk about this subject, in fact we didn't talk much at all).  So, I will leave it up to African Americans to tell us how real it is.

Each episode is a separate story.  The men range from very much in the closet to out.  There is humour in each episode, especially the last, and watching them in order (you don't have to) you see it moving from less to more out.  Beneath the humour is the recognition that men living on the down low are not in an enviable position.  They have a lot to deal with, and there seems to be the idea that more out is a better place to be.

This TV mini-series is pretty good, the acting and production values fine, and the music quite good.  Now to what some of you are wondering:  The guys look great--some nice eye candy--but the sex is quite restrained (not like QAF at all).  There is one scene of a guy with a fluffer that I am surprised got passed the censors.  I recommend this movie, and it bears watching more than once; there is more to it than you first think.   
Title: Re: Other gay-themed movies
Post by: x-man on September 30, 2013, 11:46:12 am
I haven't seen these movies on anybody's list here in BetterMost, so I thought I would bring them to your attention.
The Donald Strachey Mysteries:
THIRD MAN OUT (Here! 2005)
SHOCK TO THE SYSTEM (Here! 2006)
ICE BLUES (Here! 2008)
ON THE OTHER HAND DEATH (Here 2008)

These are the films that made me aware that the genre of gay movies even existed.  Before, I had thought gay movie meant porn movie, and I had gotten enough of that in Amsterdam in the 70's.  The films follow the career of Donald Strachey, a street-smart, tough private detective in Albany, NY, and his spouse Timothy.  The films are patterned after the film noir mysteries of the 1940's, particularly the Thin Man series with Nick and Nora Charles, now Donald and Timothy.  These two men play off of each other so well that people ask them if they are lovers in real life.

Chad Allen (Donald) is the boy character from Dr Quinn Medicine Woman, now grown up.  He is openly gay, and does a lot of work with LGBT agencies and causes.  Sebastian Spence is straight, but makes a great gay man, and says he enjoys the part very much.

The 1st, 2nd, and 4th films have specifically gay themes in their plot-lines; the 3rd is more a regular detective story with lots of gay characters.  On the Commentary in Bonus Features on each film, we hear from the Director, Ron Oliver, who is very funny, very Out, and makes a lot of campy remarks about the actors.  Some of the series have been released for general distribution, and occasionally show up on TV.  The acting is very professional, the cinematography great--especially the lighting--capturing the film noir quality.  They have lots of humour, very Chandleresque snappy dialogue, and the guys look wonderful.  Oliver makes a point of trying to find male actors with great faces and bodies.  After all, he says, they are gay movies. 

I highly recommend all four films, but the first two are probably the best.  Each film stands on its own, but the characters do develop from one film to the next, so it is better to watch them in order, especially for the first two.

BTW, when you check out Shock To The System, make sure it is the Donald Strachey Mystery.  There is another movie, a 1990 film with Michael Caine called A Shock to the System.