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« on: June 10, 2007, 12:52:30 pm »
www.annieproulx.com has been down for some time.  Don't know if this is the right forum to post this inquiry, but does anyone know what's the "situation" with her website.  Just curious as to what Ms. Proulx is up to, you know...  I thought every famous author had an up and running website to let you know where they were appearing, what they were up to, stuff like.   Anybody know?  She hasn't become a recluse I hope. Darn brokies were getting on her nerves ;) Thanks.

 

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« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2007, 04:04:16 pm »
Anybody find out what's goin' on?
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Re: annieproulx.com website is no longer working.
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2007, 04:06:54 pm »
If I was to ask any specific Brokies about this, I'd ask brokebackjack, FRont-Ranger, and Lynne. 

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« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2007, 04:07:49 pm »
And ineedcrayons and MaineWriter, because they are supersleuths.


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« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2007, 04:15:59 pm »
And ineedcrayons and MaineWriter, because they are supersleuths.



I found a bunch of websites that had links to the orginal Annie Proulx website, but annieproulx.com seems to be gone completely.

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« Reply #5 on: June 12, 2007, 04:24:39 pm »
I found a bunch of websites that had links to the orginal Annie Proulx website, but annieproulx.com seems to be gone completely.

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And if Leslie can't find it, it isn't there to be found.  :D
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Re: annieproulx.com website is no longer working.
« Reply #6 on: June 12, 2007, 05:01:43 pm »
www.annieproulx.com has been down for some time.  Don't know if this is the right forum to post this inquiry, but does anyone know what's the "situation" with her website.  Just curious as to what Ms. Proulx is up to, you know...  I thought every famous author had an up and running website to let you know where they were appearing, what they were up to, stuff like.   Anybody know?  She hasn't become a recluse I hope. Darn brokies were getting on her nerves ;) Thanks.

 
I don't think the Brokies were getting on her nerves. She has been very gracious and positive about Brokies when I've seen her talk or seen a correspondence from her. But there may be trolls afoot. I know she had to move to another town in Wyoming.

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« Reply #7 on: June 12, 2007, 06:41:18 pm »
I don't think the Brokies were getting on her nerves. She has been very gracious and positive about Brokies when I've seen her talk or seen a correspondence from her. But there may be trolls afoot. I know she had to move to another town in Wyoming.

Because of trolls?  :o

Sorry to hear they run her off her home place. At least we only had to make a cyber-move.  :-\
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« Reply #8 on: June 13, 2007, 05:09:30 am »
The following is an edited version of what I wrote in reply to Janice's request for info about AnnieProulx.com. I am taking the liberty of reposting part of that reply  here. For further info, my fellow Bettermostians can PM either ifyoucantfixit or me.

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            Well there seem to be some questions about what has happened to Annie Proulx's web site.  There are several people on the forum with a question.  I was wondering if you might shed some light on it.  Tell us what is going on.                                                           Janice

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This is something Brokies should know Janice. What follows can be posted.

Ellen  and I asked Annie  about this back in October; we wanted to know if the speech she had made would be  available through her website. The instant result of " Will this be posted on your website?"  was  an upset Annie Proulx...whose hands became most expressive. She is FINISHED with that website.  I do not even know if it is still up, and would not be in the least surprised if it's gone.

The result of every update and comment made on that site led to what amounted to the persecution of Annie--in the US, in the 21st Century!!!!--by right wing fundamentalist Christians. She was harassed and that's the perfect word. She was  threatened, sent obscene messages, condemned to burn in hell, the entire bit. She couldn't take it, it caused her nothing but aggravation and  upset. She said there was enough posted on the internet for anyone who wanted to find out legitimate information,  but insofar as her OWN website was concerned she was done with it.

I would look for nothing from her website. She was so adament that when I went home I looked at it, and have never gone  back.

That was in October.
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« Reply #9 on: June 18, 2007, 05:14:53 am »
That is terrible.

How odd it must be for Annie to have on one side this overpowering and often scary outpouring of love from one side and a shed-load of hate from the other supposedly 'righteous' side.
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« Reply #10 on: June 18, 2007, 05:48:01 am »
Shit, that's hard.  Thanks Janice, for asking Jack.  And thank you Jack, for letting us know.
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« Reply #11 on: June 18, 2007, 01:47:56 pm »
I'm so very sorry to hear that Annie has been the victim of that horrible group of homophobes.  Thanks for letting us know, Jack.  :(

Last fall I was fortunate enough to get the e-mail address of Annie's agent from the site, and that's how I found out about her appearance at the Guggenheim and got to meet her.  Now it's only going to be that much harder for real fans to make contact or get info.  >:(
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Re: annieproulx.com website is no longer working.
« Reply #12 on: June 18, 2007, 02:08:56 pm »
Last fall I was fortunate enough to get the e-mail address of Annie's agent from the site, and that's how I found out about her appearance at the Guggenheim and got to meet her.  Now it's only going to be that much harder for real fans to make contact or get info.  >:(

Maybe her publisher's website?

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« Reply #13 on: June 18, 2007, 02:20:10 pm »
That is just awful. I feel very bad for her.

And yet, while there is no "bright side" to this, the first thing I thought as I read Jack's post is that this experience, as unfortunate as it is for Annie, is yet another testimony to the power of this film--and perhaps also to the power of visual images in our culture.

As I was reading Jack's comment, what immediately came to mind was Annie's comment in her essay, "Getting Movied," that she had expected a negative outpouring when the story was published, and it didn't happen. So what the written word didn't or couldn't do, the visual image did--as unfortunate as that is.

Of course, right-wing bigots probably don't read books like Front Range and would hardly be expected to read a magazine like The New Yorker. ...
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« Reply #14 on: June 18, 2007, 02:23:21 pm »
This thread reminded me of this Washington Post story that I read recently. It's a different situation from Annie Proulx's, obviously, but related. The inhibition-lowering qualities of internet anonymity can be great when it comes to online friendships, but they have a really ugly side, too.

Sexual Threats Stifle Some Female Bloggers

By Ellen Nakashima
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Monday, April 30, 2007; Page A01

A female freelance writer who blogged about the pornography industry was threatened with rape. A single mother who blogged about "the daily ins and outs of being a mom" was threatened by a cyber-stalker who claimed that she beat her son and that he had her under surveillance. Kathy Sierra, who won a large following by blogging about designing software that makes people happy, became a target of anonymous online attacks that included photos of her with a noose around her neck and a muzzle over her mouth.

As women gain visibility in the blogosphere, they are targets of sexual harassment and threats. Men are harassed too, and lack of civility is an abiding problem on the Web. But women, who make up about half the online community, are singled out in more starkly sexually threatening terms -- a trend that was first evident in chat rooms in the early 1990s and is now moving to the blogosphere, experts and bloggers said.
   
A 2006 University of Maryland study on chat rooms found that female participants received 25 times as many sexually explicit and malicious messages as males. A 2005 study by the Pew Internet & American Life Project found that the proportion of Internet users who took part in chats and discussion groups plunged from 28 percent in 2000 to 17 percent in 2005, entirely because of the exodus of women. The study attributed the trend to "sensitivity to worrisome behavior in chat rooms."

Joan Walsh, editor in chief of the online magazine Salon, said that since the letters section of her site was automated a year and a half ago, "it's been hard to ignore that the criticisms of women writers are much more brutal and vicious than those about men."

Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post site is among the most prominent of blogs founded by women, said anonymity online has allowed "a lot of those dark prejudices towards women to surface." Her site takes a "zero tolerance" policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators "24/7" to filter the comments, she said.

Sierra, whose recent case has attracted international attention, has suspended blogging. Other women have censored themselves, turned to private forums or closed comments on blogs. Many use gender-neutral pseudonyms. Some just gut it out. But the effect of repeated harassment, bloggers and experts interviewed said, is to make women reluctant to participate online -- undercutting the promise of the Internet as an egalitarian forum.

Robert Scoble, a technology blogger who took a week off in solidarity with Sierra, said women have told him that harassment is a "disincentive" to participate online. That, he said, will affect their job prospects in the male-dominated tech industry. "If women aren't willing to show up for networking events, either offline or online, then they're never going to be included in the industry," he said.

The treatment of women online is not just an equivalent of what happens offline, some women say. The Internet allows the content to be seen immediately, often permanently and far more widely than a remark scribbled on a restroom wall.

"The sad thing is, I've had thousands of messages from women saying, 'You were a role model for me,' " Sierra said in an interview, describing communications she received after suspending her blog. Sierra was the first woman to deliver a keynote speech at a conference on the Linux operating system. Her blog was No. 23 in the Technorati.com Top 100 list of blogs, measured by the number of blogs that linked to her site.

Her Web site, Creating Passionate Users, was about "the most fluffy and nice things," she said. Sierra occasionally got the random "comment troll," she said, but a little over a month ago, the posts became more threatening. Someone typed a comment on her blog about slitting her throat and ejaculating. The noose photo appeared next, on a site that sprang up to harass her. On the site, someone contributed this comment: "the only thing Kathy has to offer me is that noose in her neck size."

On yet another Web site came the muzzle photo, which struck her as if she were being smothered. "I dream of Kathy Sierra," read the caption.

"That's when I got pushed over the edge," she said.

Sexual Threats Stifle Some Female Bloggers

In what she intended to be her final blog post last month, she wrote:

"I have cancelled all speaking engagements.

"I am afraid to leave my yard.

"I will never feel the same. I will never be the same."

She received thousands of comments expressing outrage, including e-mails from women attesting to their own ordeals, "saying I got this. I got that. I went underground. I blogged under a pseudonym," she said.

Two factors can contribute to the vitriol, experts said: blogging in a male-dominated field, such as technology, and achieving a degree of prominence.

Susan Herring, a professor of information science at Indiana University, said each new online venue has been greeted with optimism because the early adopters tend to be educated, socially conscious people who think the form engenders community. Even as recently as 2003, she said, it was relatively rare to find negativity on blogs.

Now, she said, blogs risk becoming "nastified," at least in the comment zones.

Kathleen Cooper, the single mother, said she began to experience harassment about five years ago after she posted a retort on a friend's blog to a random blogger's threat against a friend. The harasser began posting defamatory accusations on Cooper's site, on his blog and then on a site that purports to track "bad businesses." He said that he could not be responsible for what "his minions" might do to her, she said.

Cooper, 37, who lives in Sarasota, Fla., has tried password-protecting her site. She and five other women have asked the man's Web site server to shut him down, but he revives his site with another server. Law enforcement officials laugh it off, she said, "like 'Oh, it's not a big deal. It's just online talk. Nobody's going to come get you.' "

Some female bloggers say their colleagues just need thicker skin. Columnist Michelle Malkin, who blogs about politics and culture, said she sympathizes with Sierra but has chided the bloggers expressing outrage now. "First, where have y'all been? For several years, the unhinged Internet underworld has been documented here," she wrote, reposting a comment on her site that called for the "torture, rape, murder" of her family.

Report the serious threats to law enforcement, she urged. And above all: "Keep blogging. Don't cut and run."

But Herring said Malkin is in a minority. "There's a whole bunch of women who are being intimidated," she said. They include academics, professional programmers and other women normally unafraid to speak their minds.

"I completely changed," said a professor, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to avoid further harassment. "I self-censor like crazy because I don't feel like getting caught up in another round of abuse."

Some bloggers have called for a voluntary code of conduct, including a ban on anonymous comments. But other bloggers resist because it seems like a restriction of free speech. The founders of BlogHer, a 10,000-member online community supporting women, said the best way to enforce civility on a blog is for each site to create its own rules -- such as removing abusive comments -- then make the rules public and apply them fairly.

Herring said the decline in women's participation in chat rooms was ominous. "If we see a lot of harassment in the blogosphere, will we see a decline in women blogging? I think we will."


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Re: annieproulx.com website is no longer working.
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2007, 02:34:56 pm »
reminds me of other incidents  :'(
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« Reply #16 on: June 18, 2007, 02:47:12 pm »
Ugh.  Ugh.  Ugh ugh ugh.

  :'( >:( :-\ :-X

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« Reply #17 on: June 18, 2007, 02:52:09 pm »

The founders of BlogHer, a 10,000-member online community supporting women, said the best way to enforce civility on a blog is for each site to create its own rules -- such as removing abusive comments -- then make the rules public and apply them fairly.


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« Reply #18 on: June 18, 2007, 03:00:20 pm »
I find this absolutely appalling! Poor Annie. She writes a beautiful story about love and she get attacked for it to the point she must shut down her own website.

These right wing religious fanatics make my blood boil. What ever happened to "love your neighbor?" Apparently they're all too stupid to understand.  :'(
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« Reply #19 on: June 18, 2007, 04:19:38 pm »
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The founders of BlogHer, a 10,000-member online community supporting women, said the best way to enforce civility on a blog is for each site to create its own rules -- such as removing abusive comments -- then make the rules public and apply them fairly.


The one bright note for me in that article, and it IS a bright note.  It's exactly what we do here at BetterMost.

This reminded me of us, too:

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Arianna Huffington, whose Huffington Post site is among the most prominent of blogs founded by women, said anonymity online has allowed "a lot of those dark prejudices towards women to surface." Her site takes a "zero tolerance" policy toward abusive and excessively foul language, and employs moderators "24/7" to filter the comments, she said.

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« Reply #20 on: June 18, 2007, 04:28:01 pm »
good.

an 'F' word now and then, eh.
The 4 letter word beginning with 'S'? I don't trust people who don't say it.

But THIS SORT OF GARBAGE???


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« Reply #21 on: June 18, 2007, 07:22:33 pm »
This is actually kind of odd.  Annieproulx.com was never a really high traffic site, including their forum.  I didn't really encounter much negativity there at all when I was on there last year when the movie was getting a lot more attention.  They had a small problem with forum spam, but I always sensed that whoever they had running the site really wasn't too familiar with the software or how to run a forum, so it wasn't too surprising to me.

As to negative remarks and attacks, I honestly saw little of this on her site.

I think a lot of folks who start websites or blogs really don't understand the free-wheeling nature of the online world, and how easy it is to throw negative stuff around.  We keep it under control here because it distracts from what the site is all about - positive momentum forward in our respective lives.  And to date, I've never received any directed negative troll or trashing comments for running this community, except one guy on a radio industry forum who likes to make some side remarks in an effort to let me know he knows I run this place, as if that is supposed to shock or surprise me.

I have always let people know they shouldn't waste their energy on negative messages and other trash comments, and a lot of the bloggers who are encountering this have to understand it takes absolutely no energy for someone to trash them, and they should spend no energy on taking those comments seriously.  In fact, -never- take anything personally left on a website.  It's not worth it.

As to Annie, if she wants a place of her very own to do whatever she'd like, she is always welcome to join us.  We have a troll patrol that is top notch, and the Righteous Right won't get far here either.  :)
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« Reply #22 on: June 18, 2007, 07:29:40 pm »
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The result of every update and comment made on that site led to what amounted to the persecution of Annie--in the US, in the 21st Century!!!!--by right wing fundamentalist Christians. She was harassed and that's the perfect word. She was  threatened, sent obscene messages, condemned to burn in hell, the entire bit.
Doesn't sound very Christian to me! Somehow I don't think this is what Jesus had in mind!

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What ever happened to "love your neighbor?" Apparently they're all too stupid to understand. 
Isn't it funny how they always forget that part??  :-\
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« Reply #23 on: June 19, 2007, 01:58:11 am »

As to Annie, if she wants a place of her very own to do whatever she'd like, she is always welcome to join us.  We have a troll patrol that is top notch, and the Righteous Right won't get far here either.  :)


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« Reply #24 on: June 19, 2007, 08:59:00 am »
As to Annie, if she wants a place of her very own to do whatever she'd like, she is always welcome to join us.  We have a troll patrol that is top notch, and the Righteous Right won't get far here either.  :)

This is why you're the mayor - you think big and good.  :)

Maybe Phillip should send her an "invitation"? I'd be surprised if she accepted, but I bet it would make her happy that a group of fans cared enough about her to make the offer.

She seems to be very gracious to her fans. She sent a lovely little note to thank CactusGal for the copy of Beyond Brokeback that CactusGal sent her.
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« Reply #25 on: December 23, 2008, 04:31:24 pm »
Is it back on?

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« Reply #26 on: December 23, 2008, 05:39:25 pm »
Nope.
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« Reply #27 on: December 23, 2008, 07:44:40 pm »
Will it?

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Nope.

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