Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - stitchbuffymoulinfan (Thu Mar 23 2006 19:46:13 ) Excellent observations.
I like the symbolism with the sheep as sacrificial lambs. I think that's very intelligent writing.
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by - naun (Thu Mar 23 2006 20:07:59 ) well i think it's a common courtesy thing. like it's polite to remove your hat when you enter yours or someone elses home.
Well yes, but I'm struck by how often we are specifically shown somebody hanging a hat up on the wall. Aguirre does it at the beginning, Ennis does it at Riverton, and again in his trailer at the end, then of course there's the hat in Lightning Flat, which I agree seems to be accorded special prominence in the visual design of that scene. (Elsewhere I've suggested that when seen over Ennis' head in one shot it resembles a halo, especially when you think of the other dark-coloured object hanging on the wall -- the crucifix.) It's because of the apparent significance of the hat on the wall at Lightning Flat that I wonder about the others. Of course, they don't have to mean anything, but the "Cornelius principle" says that everything in BBM means something ...
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - lauragigs (Thu Mar 23 2006 20:28:23 ) Man, what great observations. Great thread!
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - littledarlin (Thu Mar 23 2006 20:42:28 ) VERY good point, naun. i'm going to have to look out for those scenes next time. the only other time i noticed the hats being removed is when ennis shows his signs of vulnerability, like during the second tent scene which is probably the sweetest thing ever.
together our two hearts are strong, don't you know that's where our hearts both belong
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - BlackRabbitOfInle (Thu Mar 23 2006 20:50:06 ) *HUGS!* You really are a little darlin', aren't you? Comparing Jake/Jack to a sheep makes me feel warm and fuzzy, because I think sheep are incredibly cute! squeeeeee! *blushes* *clears throat*
Anyway, I think you're absolutely correct to say that Jack is a black sheep, both metaphorically and almost literally. Awesome observation.
"Jack Twist."
"Ennis."
"Your folks just stop at Ennis?"
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - naun (Fri Mar 24 2006 05:33:08 ) the only other time i noticed the hats being removed is when ennis shows his signs of vulnerability
That's an interesting thought. And it applies to Jack as well as Ennis. When Jack "proposes" (as somebody here described it), when he says those beautiful words, "It could be like this, just like this, always", he's not wearing his hat. He's totally vulnerable at this point.
And of course Ennis, in turning him down, puts his hat back on.
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - pkdetroit (Fri Mar 24 2006 06:25:34 ) I look at Jack as not only a "black sheep" but an innocent lamb who ends up slaughtered.
The scene when Ennis' father takes him and hs brother to see the body of the old ranger is so biblical, to me it is like jehovah taking two innocents out of eden to show them evil, in effect taking away their innocence. Corrupted by that knowledge,Ennis was wary and untrusting the rest of his life. Jack was always full of hope and life and innocent and died because of it.
"It was the Summer that Sebastian and I went to the Incantadas"
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - fairywasteland 23 hours ago (Wed Apr 5 2006 22:47:02 ) Good point! I just saw the movie for the first time last night and I hadn't thought that out.
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - bjblakeslee 9 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 12:45:59 ) Jack's hat is black for most of the movie.
Jack is wearing a beige hat similar to the one Ennis wore for the reunion scene. He also wears a beige sleeveless vest and a red shirt. The red shirt reflects Lureen. The beige sleeveless vest is again a nod to Ennis. Red is also a dominant color on Jack's new truck - again a nod to Lureen.
Ennis never changes, though. His hat is always white/beige/neutral, because he constantly spends his life trying to fit in.
Ennis is seen in a blue stocking hat and blue jackets during the snow scenes with Alma and he wears a blue denim jacket during those scenes as well. Ennis is also wearing a white shirt with blue stripes during the reunion scene. These are significant reversals. They visually represent the bond they have for each other while they have been apart.
The colour red!!
by - pipedream 8 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 13:07:25 ) UPDATED Thu Apr 6 2006 13:08:20
Jack is wearing a beige hat similar to the one Ennis wore for the reunion scene. He also wears a beige sleeveless vest and a red shirt. The red shirt reflects Lureen. The beige sleeveless vest is again a nod to Ennis. Red is also a dominant color on Jack's new truck - again a nod to Lureen. It's interesting that Alma's clothes in that scene are almost exactly the same colours: reddish dress, white/beige cardigan. They totally match with Jack and his truck. That's why I think the colour red is not necessarily an allusion to Lureen (Alma and the truck certainly have no relationship with her...). Red, however, is also the colour of the religious festivals and holidays. At least in the Catholic Church priests and church boys dress up in red at Christmas and Easter. Both are festivals that follow a long period of fasting or preparation, the colour of which is purple! Remember the shirt Jack wears when he is searching for his blue parka? Purple! He prepares for one of his fishing trips.
So in the reunion scene everybody is sort of dressed up: Ennis wears his best shirt with a blue pattern (he is waiting for Jack). Alma wears a red dress because it's one of the very rare occasions that they actually expect a guest, and Jack wears red and Ennis-beige. Huh??
If ever I should tell the moment: Oh, stay! You are so beautiful! Then you may cast me into chains, then shall I smile upon perdition! (Goethe)
Re: The colour red!!
by - bjblakeslee 8 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 13:28:51 ) I think the red on Jack and the truck reflect something of his middle-class ambitions to lift himself from being poor. With his marriage to Lureen he has in a way hit the Jack-pot. He speaks later of the possibility of Lureen's old man paying him off to go away, and using the money to buy a place for himself and Ennis. My interpretation is that Jack wears red to reflect his rise in financial status which has come to him by marrying Lureen.
I would say that Alma's dress up outfit is a heathered orange, a color that belongs in the earthtone pallete. Bright for her, but definitely not red.
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow...
Re: The colour red!!
by - crissttigaldames 8 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 13:46:07 ) UPDATED Thu Apr 6 2006 13:46:47
You people must have seen the film so many times to remember that sort of things!!!
I have just seen it once. And I think is just great. Can't wait to watch it again.
The black sheep thing is very interesting. The dead sheep, I wondered what it meant... that seemed to me a disgusting scene when I saw it and didn't see what sense it had.
"The Love you take is equal to the Love you make" The Beatles.
Re: The colour red!!
by - pipedream 8 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 13:48:35 ) I would say that Alma's dress up outfit is a heathered orange Yeah, your're right. Her dress is not quite red. But then it's not so much of a holiday for her as it is for Jack, of course...
I stick to the religious symbolism, good Catholic that I am . Jack's purple coloured shirt is just too obvious: the months between their meetings are nothing but long periods of fasting for him. Red and white: these are the colours of celebration.
If ever I should tell the moment: Oh, stay! You are so beautiful! Then you may cast me into chains, then shall I smile upon perdition! (Goethe)
Re: The colour red!!
by - bjblakeslee 8 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 13:56:12 ) Red is also a color of marriage and wealth in China, as I am sure Mr. Lee could tell us. He would of course see these colors through a different cultural filter.
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow...
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - muscla_1 7 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 14:01:04 ) Jack is wearing a beige hat similar to the one Ennis wore for the reunion scene. He also wears a beige sleeveless vest and a red shirt. The red shirt reflects Lureen. The beige sleeveless vest is again a nod to Ennis. Red is also a dominant color on Jack's new truck - again a nod to Lureen. When we first see Lureen, she's wearing white with red highlights, including her hat (and I think boots and jacket).
When Jack drives up for the reunion, his truck is white with red highlights...and undoubtedly paid for with his father-in-law's money.
"Jack, I swear..."
Re: The colour red!!
by - bjblakeslee 7 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 14:04:42 ) The dead sheep is a visual representation of Ennis's emotional confusion after spending the night in the tent with Jack.
It is a parallel to his story about old Earl, whose body his father made him look at as a child, and who was murdered because he was homosexual.
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow...
Re: Jack Twist: The Black Sheep
by - malwood2000 7 hours ago (Thu Apr 6 2006 14:30:14 ) In Ennis's final scenes in the trailer I notice he is wearing what looks like a once blue jacket, now drab grey, colourless, probably representing Jack.