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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2007, 03:05:39 pm »
Wow, great observation, Dal!
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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2007, 04:52:07 pm »
More on cigarettes... of course one of the first things we notice about Ennis in the film is that he only smokes a portion of his cigarette and saves the rest in his pocket.

Yup... cigarettes are definitely a running theme.

And, I agree that the ashes observation in relation to Jack is very good.
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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #22 on: November 13, 2007, 05:36:14 pm »
Any cigar in the BM film?

In Annie's story?

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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #23 on: December 16, 2007, 12:29:00 am »
Shit, I liked the other (newer) thread because it was *clean*.

Sigh . . .

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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #24 on: December 16, 2007, 12:30:55 am »
sorry, Laura but it was causing hard feelings. I was only trying to have a little fun this weekend...didn't mean to step on toes.

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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #25 on: December 16, 2007, 11:38:04 am »
I don't think it was hard feelings, as in, anybody was actually hurt or angry. Sometimes I like the "clean" ones, too. But aren't we supposed to try to minimize thread repetition?  ???  :)

Does anybody mind if I merge the old thread onto this one?

I don't think this one has really gotten very deeply into the question Jess raised: we as viewers may interpret the subtexts and hidden meanings however we like, but what makes us think Ang Lee and/or Annie Proulx intended those meanings to be there?


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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #26 on: December 16, 2007, 11:50:25 am »
I would rather you didnt Katherine. I was just trying to get people giggling and it came off wrong. I should stick to doing what I do....just goofing around in Anything Goes.

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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #27 on: December 16, 2007, 12:24:43 pm »
I should stick to doing what I do....just goofing around in Anything Goes.

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Hey, don't gloss over Our Daily Thoughts. It has really blossomed under your shepherding. And also, I love your new topic, "I Love" on Anything Goes.

I should probably put something on topic here. The meanings are there but we also are exhorted to add our own meanings. Annie Proulx sayeth, "It is my feeling that a story is not finished until it is read, and that the reader finishes it through his or her life experience, prejudices, world view and thoughts."
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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #28 on: December 22, 2007, 10:27:55 am »
Four books have helped me in this regard. First, The Encyclopedia of Symbols, a reference book which I consult in the library but is not available for checkout. Secondly, Man and His Symbols, by Carl Jung. This is the definitive book on the subject. Also, Crouching Tiger, Hidden Dragon: Portrait of a Film discusses the symbolism of that movie (some of which was used in BBM as well) and also has an introduction by Ang Lee discussing his spiritual beliefs. Finally, Chinese Mythology by Anthony Christie is also illuminating. I also have a small handbook on Chinese Symbolism which I carried in my purse on trips to the theater to see BBM!

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Re: TOTW 14/07: Is a cigar just a cigar?
« Reply #29 on: January 03, 2008, 02:01:13 am »
Secondly, Man and His Symbols, by Carl Jung. This is the definitive book on the subject.

I haven't read the others, but I own and love this one. What a fascinating concept, that humans across cultures are hardwired to recognize similar particular symbols in a deeply emotional and often subconscious way!