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Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« on: November 05, 2007, 08:53:57 pm »
Heya,

During my recent, amazing dinner with Pipedream we found ourselves deep in a discussion about the different ways that religious symbols are used in interesting and complex ways in BBM.  This is a topic that's come up in various forms in the past, but we thought it might be interesting to re-investigate this big topic with some fresh eyes.  I find the use of religious symbolism in BBM really gorgeous and profound in its complexity.  I think of it as a poetic deployment of religious symbols and a deployment of the symbols that can make you look a the original religious symbol in a new way.  I find it a fascinating and profound topic even though, I personally am not religious in my real life.

There seem to be many ways to approach this subject, and the word "religion" in no-way is limited to any one religion or religious tradition.  Christian symbols and Taoist symbols seem to be deployed very strongly, but I'm sure there are many, many other religious lenses to investigate here.

I'm going to mainly focus on the film here in this initial post... but I'm sure there are rich ways to address this topic with the story too.

One way to think about it is to look at ways that the topic of religion comes up explicitly.  The most obvious example seems to be Jack's singing of Water Walking Jesus and the two boys' discussion of the religions of their families.  The other prominent explicit discussion of religion comes later in Ennis's relationship with Alma... his disinterest in going to the "fire and brimstone" church social and his disinterest in singing at the church social with his girls.

There are other, more subtle, visual suggestions of religious symbols.  A couple examples come to mind... The three crosses that dominate the screen as Ennis rides into Signal in the semi-truck at the very beginning of the film.  The yin and yang compositions of many shots of the boys and landscape on Brokeback... For example, when we see Jack sitting guarding the sheep by moonlight for the first time, the moon in the black sky seems to be the white dot of one half of the symbol and Jack himself seems to be the dark spot amongst the white sheep as the second half of the symbol. (I'm re-posting this image that Meryl graciously provided in the original Yin and Yang thread).

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Then there are thematic elements that seem to suggest a running religious metaphor... or the use of a religious them as a poetic device.  For example, I strongly believe that the use of sheep and the seeming equation between Jack and the sheep that need protection (from Ennis's point of view) has a religious connotation of the "sacrificial lamb" notion.  Endangered or killed-sheep seem to be equated with Jack and Earl in very significant ways in the film.

And, perhaps one of the most famous and controversial Brokie notions is that Jack is meant to be a "Jesus-type" figure... leading the way for Ennis... "walking on water" as he crosses the stream carrying the sheep... comforting Ennis even after he himself is dead (through the gesture of the shirts, etc.).  I've even heard somewhere the idea that Ennis's favorite endearment "Jack F***ing Twist" echoes a very common cursing, angry exclamation that you hear from time to time, "Jesus F***ing Christ".



Anyway, I'm just throwing these ideas out there to see how people feel about these ideas now. I think these are actually just the tip of the iceberg when it comes to this subject.  Again, many of these notions have been generated over long, long discussions both here and at imdb, etc.  It would be fun to see how many other themes and concepts we can tease out of this subject.

And, Anke, I'll leave it to you to include the two suggestions you made at dinner here!  They were great ideas... and two that I'd not considered before!

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2007, 11:24:37 am »
Yes, a good subject would be religion!

In one or more ways, too!!

Wonder why the talk of religion between Jack and Ennis came up as part of the film?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #2 on: November 07, 2007, 08:10:08 pm »


Wonder why the talk of religion between Jack and Ennis came up as part of the film?


Religion represents a sort of moral framework for their lives, even though neither Jack nor Ennis seems to be particularly religious.  For Jack, it in some way seems to represent an aspect of his mother's love.  For Ennis, it seems to be more of a patriarchal set of laws that one does not admit to transgressing.

Jack says "My mother believes in the Pentecost" to Ennis, who expresses curiosity about what exactly the Pentecost is.  Jack's explanation that it is when "sinners like you an me go off to hell" is completely incorrect, but it does segue directly into the sexual act that follows when Ennis informs Jack that "You may be a sinner, but I aint yet had the opportunity."

The pentecost is actually the fiftieth day after Easter Sunday, when (according to Christian tradition) the Holy Spirit decended upon the Apostles.  The Apostles then spoke in tongues as the spirit of God settled over them.  It is considered by many to be the birth of the Christian church as we know it.  It directly forshadows the end of the film, for Ennis who mourns Jack and has built a shrine to his memory, seems to have come to some sort of peace in his love for Jack, and the strength it brings him allows him to find his voice to express his love for his daughter.  The Pentecost is related to the sacrament of confirmation, and like that sacrament, he vows his allegience to the man in whose love he is redeemed with the simple words "Jack, I swear..."
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #3 on: November 08, 2007, 12:43:42 pm »
Thanks TOoP/Bruce!

Your words illustrate much. They are wonderfully expressed! I will re-read it again, that often!

And much more can be said concerning Religious symbolism in Brokeback, may I state.

I am now puzzled by your statement and elaborations: does it maybe mean that the BM movie is pro-gay or anti-gay?? Because of such sysmbolism as religious??

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #4 on: November 08, 2007, 01:00:09 pm »
This is a terrific thread, Amanda - thanks for starting it.  And Bruce - excellent observations about the Pentecost.

I'll chime in with my favorite religious symbol in the movie - scales!   ::)  (I know I've worn this subject out, but I can't help myself.)

There are kitchen scales in Alma's kitchen during the Thanksgiving confrontation with Ennis.  I see them as symbolic of her judging Ennis and Jack ('Jack Twist? Jack Nasty! You didn't go up there to fish.') and condemning them.  I contrast this to the scales in Mrs. Twist's kitchen when Ennis goes there after Jack's death.  She too judges Ennis and Jack, but she reaches out to Ennis with love and compassion and understanding.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #5 on: November 08, 2007, 05:17:35 pm »
So to you scales are like religious symbols?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #6 on: November 08, 2007, 05:29:46 pm »
"We was fishin buddies."

Ennis comes to this explanation quickly off the top of his head when Alma asks him how he knows a man called Jack.  Some have questioned whether Ennis had a story planned to tell her all along if Jack ever showed up unexpectedly.

But let's consider it in terms of its Christian symbolism.  In the earliest days of the Christian church, the fish was a symbol for Jesus, and in ancient Rome, Christianity was an underground society, and membership in that society was potentially a death sentence.  Drawing the symbol of the fish was one way that members of the secret Christian society recognized each other.  In Brokeback Mountain, we see that Randall reveals his membership in an underground society to Jack by offering to get together to do some fishing.  

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #7 on: November 08, 2007, 05:44:48 pm »
Thanks Bruce!

Those two details of yours are very revealing as religious symbols!!

Any others?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2007, 05:53:35 pm »
In the Twist house in Lightning Flat, there is a prominently displayed crucifix on the the white walls of the home.  It can be seen behind Mrs. Twist in some of her face shots.  Similarly, behind Ennis in the same room, a black hat hangs on the wall behind him at the same level as the crucifix (it is near the door) and it is presumably Jack's black hat.  This is another subtle Jack/Jesus equivalence.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2007, 06:01:49 pm »
Thanks Bruce!

I can understand about the cross in the Twist home.

But please elaborate more on the hat?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2007, 06:16:37 pm »
Thanks Bruce!

I can understand about the cross in the Twist home.

But please elaborate more on the hat?

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What appears to be Jack's black hat hangs by the entry door on the wall behind Ennis.  There does not seem to be much else on the white walls in the room except the cross and Jack's hat, so both stand out prominently and they carry similar visual weight.  The cross behind Jack's mother is a visual metaphor for the importance of God in her life.  Jack's hat behind Ennis can be seen as a similar visual metaphor for the importance of Jack in Ennis's life. 

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2007, 07:12:42 pm »
Thanks Bruce!


1- I will have to re-see that in the BM film! Interesting, it will be. Is that so in Annie's story?

2- The scene between Jack's parents and Ennis, are very important to me!! Even if dire time they are in, they (all 3) seem to accept one another!! That to me is religious symbolism!

3- Plus, it seems to me that this maybe the only or the one scene where gay life is more accepting!! ??

4- Certainly, it is a visit which is more polished by the film makers?? !!

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #12 on: November 08, 2007, 07:22:59 pm »
Not everything in the film is from the short story.  The cross and hat imagery is in the film only, not the story.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #13 on: November 08, 2007, 07:37:25 pm »
Oh, I see and thank you Bruce!

Any other differences from the movie and Annie's story concerning religious symbols?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #14 on: November 08, 2007, 11:55:44 pm »
What appears to be Jack's black hat hangs by the entry door on the wall behind Ennis.  There does not seem to be much else on the white walls in the room except the cross and Jack's hat, so both stand out prominently and they carry similar visual weight.  The cross behind Jack's mother is a visual metaphor for the importance of God in her life.  Jack's hat behind Ennis can be seen as a similar visual metaphor for the importance of Jack in Ennis's life. 




Bruce, I love the detail of the hat in the Lightning Flat scene in the film.  I also love all the empty chairs that seem to be constant reminders that Jack is not there.  I had never thought to compare the hat on the wall to the cross there too... But this description makes a lot of sense.  You're right that it reinforces the role Jack plays in Ennis's life from very early on in the film through to this profound moment here.  It really is like Jack is watching over Ennis here and all sorts of forces are driving Ennis to discover those shirts (including Mrs. Twist and probably Jack's longing from beyond the grave).  I've always thought of this scene as really rather spooky in a very subtle way.  It feels like Jack's spirit is very strongly involved here.  When Ennis is in Jack's room and he opens the window to let air (i.e. Jack's symbol) into the room he immediately looks towards the closet as if these two acts are connected.  And, then when he's in the closet and touches Jack's old clothing on the rack... I think the detail of the one shirt swinging back and forth almost egging him on to look in the nook at the back is really significant.  This whole sequence in Lightning Flat from the time Ennis drives up until the time he leaves is absolutely brilliant filmmaking as far as I'm concerned.  It's just loaded with significance.  And, while it's clear that there are Christian symbols here, I think it's important to notice that there are also Buddhist/Taoist symbols.  I remember really interesting discussions elsewhere on BetterMost about the barn door that we can see outside of Jack's window being like a Yin and Yang symbol but with one of the small dots on one half of the symbol missing (perhaps signifying the absence of Jack now). 

What do you all make of the anchor on Jack's bedroom wall (beyond being a reference to Ennis's name)... Is there more to be said about that in terms of any kind of religious meaning?  Maybe more of a reference to the fish/ water-walking-Jesus theme?


This is a terrific thread, Amanda - thanks for starting it.  And Bruce - excellent observations about the Pentecost.

I'll chime in with my favorite religious symbol in the movie - scales!   ::)  (I know I've worn this subject out, but I can't help myself.)

There are kitchen scales in Alma's kitchen during the Thanksgiving confrontation with Ennis.  I see them as symbolic of her judging Ennis and Jack ('Jack Twist? Jack Nasty! You didn't go up there to fish.') and condemning them.  I contrast this to the scales in Mrs. Twist's kitchen when Ennis goes there after Jack's death.  She too judges Ennis and Jack, but she reaches out to Ennis with love and compassion and understanding.

And, hey Lynne!  Thanks for jumping in here!  The scales are definitely a smart detail and very subtle. They certainly carry a lot of different meanings especially with the contrast between the two women and the serious complexities of both those scenes.

Here's another big religious concept that I think is really interesting.  It has to do with the idea of Brokeback being a kind of Eden or Paradise Lost that once the boys are "expelled" they can never return. And, they can never really find the same level of peace and contentment in their relationship again. I think this concept is maybe articulated a little better in the story... since it's made clear that they don't return to Brokeback on their camping trips.  I think it's easy for a casual viewer of the film to mistakenly think they're going back to Brokeback during their later trips. 

In general though, my main point of reference, usually, when thinking about these questions is the film.  Somehow I usually gravitate more to the film than the story when I relate to BBM in general.  It would be really interesting to me to see a real story- afficionado tackle this topic in-depth.



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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #15 on: November 09, 2007, 01:07:03 am »




      Not much to add here, but I always have thought that Jack was the Christ figure, sent to
redeem Ennis from the lost.  It is first shown in my opinion, when Jack is seen carrying the
sheep on his shoulders.  Crossing the river.  The symbolism to the Good Shephard, and walking on water,
makes him the representative of the christ figure.  Later on he is seen taking care of the young lamb,
removing the thorns from the foot.  The thorns being another referrence to the crown of thorns.
       



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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #16 on: November 09, 2007, 01:09:15 am »


What do you all make of the anchor on Jack's bedroom wall (beyond being a reference to Ennis's name)... Is there more to be said about that in terms of any kind of religious meaning?  Maybe more of a reference to the fish/ water-walking-Jesus theme?


The placement of an anchor in a bedroom of boy growing up in Wyoming should be reason enough to question it's symbolic significance.  Geographically it is way out of place.  Thematically it does tie together with fish and Waterwalking Jesus..

Before Christian times, the anchor was a common symbol of safety.  Lightning Flat is something of a safe place most likely because he knows his mother's love.  Jack's father seems to be a jerk, but doesn't seem to have much to do with Jack's attraction to men.  It is in this safety of his childhood bedroom that Jack chooses to conceal the shirts that are his treasured memory of the summer of '63.

As an early Christian symbol, the anchor represented the hope of salvation in the next life, and perhaps this symbol is the most relevant for Brokeback Mountain.  The hope that lovers unable to overcome barriers to sharing a life in this world, may someday be reunited in the world hereafter.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #17 on: November 09, 2007, 10:42:29 am »
Wow, wow, wow, atz75, if youcantfixit, and Bruce!!!

You remark information concerning religious symbols are numerous and detailed, and welcomed!!!

May I remark that Jack's father in that scene where Ennis sees him... is remarkable, and maybe too as a religious symbol. I do not believe that Jack's father is uncaring, since I think it is otherwise, because he tells Ennis off! He would accept Ennis living and working his farm? Therefore, Jack father is accepting that his son is a gay man and accepts too Ennis (in his own manly way)?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #18 on: November 13, 2007, 10:13:41 pm »
What about the 30 cents that Ennis pays for the last postcard?  It's so called-attention-to.

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #19 on: November 13, 2007, 10:31:15 pm »
What about the 30 cents that Ennis pays for the last postcard?  It's so called-attention-to.

Well, what do you make of the significance of the 30 cents?  It seems that there are lots of significant numbers in BBM... the numbers 17 and 3 seem particularly to stand out.  I think it's sort of easy to get carried-away with the numbers.  But, they really must mean something.  Because, you're right, there are definitely instances where numbers are made to really stand out.  I honestly hadn't thought much about the number 30 until now.  I'm curious to hear your interpretation.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #20 on: November 13, 2007, 11:00:36 pm »
Why 30 cents?

Isn't that too much for a postcard then?

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #21 on: November 13, 2007, 11:49:52 pm »
Well, I don't know but Ennis regerts, pays 30 coins, sentences himself to life in a trailer jail.  Judas regetted, gave the 30 coins away, and hanged himself.  Just a thought.

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2007, 12:14:46 am »


That is an interesting thing to notice!  Very good observation/ possibility. 
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2007, 03:35:18 am »
Well, I don't know but Ennis regerts, pays 30 coins, sentences himself to life in a trailer jail.  Judas regetted, gave the 30 coins away, and hanged himself.  Just a thought.

Wow, Dal - profound!  Never put that together before - excellent analysis!!
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2007, 06:48:46 am »

What do you all make of the anchor on Jack's bedroom wall (beyond being a reference to Ennis's name)... Is there more to be said about that in terms of any kind of religious meaning?  Maybe more of a reference to the fish/ water-walking-Jesus theme?

Here's my take on the anchor. I've posted it before on the "Mettle of man" thread, but it fits here better, therefore I just quote myself. (It's not an exact quote, I reworded some sentences.)

The anchor is another Christian symbol (apparently), and (less apparently) one of three in the Twist house that belong together: faith, hope and charity, symbolized by a cross, an anchor and a heart.



Interestingly, in German, we say "Glaube, Liebe, Hoffnung" = "Faith, Love, Hope".
Love instead of charity. A difference at first sight. But the word "charitiy" has his origins in the Latin word "caritas", which is itself the Latin translation for the Greek "agape". Agape is simply love (well, it's not that simple, there are various slightly different interpretations and explanations as to which kind of love is meant - but in the end agape can be equated with love).

We have the cross as symbol for faith in the Twist kitchen. We have the anchor as symbol for hope in Jack's room. And then Ennis finds the heart, the love, The Shirts.





Another interesting detail: the anchor symbolizes hope of heavenly blessedness and withstanding against desperation (and we know a guy who's damned good in standing things). Another positive touch at the end of the movie, another hint of hope for Ennis' future, amidst all bleakness in both, Ennis' life and the Twist house.

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2007, 09:08:19 am »
From the thread "Why Brokeback Mountain is a Masterpiece of Art - by ClancyPantsNasty"

http://bettermost.net/forum/index.php/topic,10346.0.html

“Also, is there significance that Ma Twist's cherry cake has only one cherry in it?”

I believe there is. In a Christian imagery sense, Ma Twist offers Ennis communion. The communion bread and wine are represented by the cake and coffee. Ennis declined the cake, but accepted the coffee. Ennis declined the bread, but accepted the wine. The bread is the body (of Christ) and the wine is the blood. Jack is present in two ways: the ashes (the body) and the shirts (the blood). Ennis came expecting to get the ashes, the body, but the ashes/body will stay in the family plot. What Ennis ended up getting was the shirts, the blood. Again, he declined the cake, the body, but he accepted the coffee, the blood. The cake, representing the body has a single cherry in it, the heart. Ennis cannot take the body, the ashes, or the cake with Jack’s heart in it, but he gets the shirts, the blood -- Lev. 17:11 “For the life of a creature is in the blood”.
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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2007, 10:15:02 am »

 Here's a brief explanation of the anchor symbol in Christianity, specifically the Anchor Cross. I found it on a website dedicated to Christian Symbolism, www.christiansymbols.net
 The website has a search feature if there are symbols you come across in BBM and want to understand them better. Anyways, here's the quote

  -THE ANCHOR CROSS – 1. A cross in the form of an anchor. It symbolizes hope and stability in Jesus. The anchor cross is an ancient Christian symbol, dating back to the 2nd century. It was frequently used in the catacombs to decorate the tombs of the dead. Because it was illegal to practice Christianity in the Roman Empire, symbols used in the catacombs were frequently of common objects (anchor, shepherd, dove, etc.) that could hold double meanings. In this way the symbol would not look blatantly Christian, concealing its Christian meaning from all but the informed few.

 I find the connection between the use of the anchors in the catacombs and its appearance Jack's room interesting. Of course, in the case of Jack's room, the meaning is inverted. Christianity is not what needs to be kept hidden from "all but an informed few", but instead Jack and Ennis's love for each other. Maybe here it's meant to symbolize Jack's hope in Ennis, specifically Jack's hope for stability. Notice the anchor in Jack's room is also a source of light.

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Re: Religious symbolism in Brokeback
« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2007, 11:27:51 am »
Wow!

Informative!

More...

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