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Gay subjects in movies??
« on: January 05, 2008, 12:11:07 am »
Do you know of gay subjects in movies??

Two examples maybe:

To-day, I saw on TV The Seven Year Itch 1955 with Marilyn Monroe...who lives on the second floor, and the first floor gentlemen metions that there are two menwho live on the 3rd floor as interior decorators or whatever!! May I ask you is that suppose to mean that those two men living together are gay, even a gay couple??
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Yesterday, I dared watch on TV: Leo Tolstoy's Anna Karenina 1997 with Sean Bean in which the narrator mentions his brother who is a boozer whom he visits, but while he visited, that brother kisses him deeply and long; that brother is not happy with his life (married before and with children then?) but now with a whorl he says, and that 2nd lady stays with him even at his death bed!! I did not think of that that much as the story... went on! But this morning in my bed, it bothered me; that must have been so too during my sleep!! I think that that brother was gay, so refused that in himself, and so commited suicide through booze and depression!! What do you think?

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Any other cases in movies of gay subjects??

Hugs!! May gay freedom ring by all in the whole world!!

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #1 on: January 05, 2008, 12:30:07 pm »
Hi Artiste,

I recently watched "Gods and Monsters" which was about James Whale, the man who directed "Frankenstein," "The Bride of Frankenstein" and several other movies. Whale was gay and was pretty open about it throughout his life--as open as he could be, that is, given the time he lived in. This movie takes place in 1957 but we learn about his life through flashblacks and stories he tells his gardener. It is very, very good. I highly recommend it.

After you watch it, you may want to watch "The Bride of Frankenstein" which apparently has all sorts of little hidden jokes and innuendos about homosexuality.

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« Reply #2 on: January 05, 2008, 02:21:43 pm »
Thanks Mainewriter!

Even if I do not watch Frankenstein and such movies, I will certainly try to find and watch that one when it comes on TV: Gods and Monsters!! And maybe the Bride of Frankenstein too as you say for hidden jokes and jokes about homosexuality!!

Is James Whale alive to-day, and where does he live??
I do not know if I ever saw him in person!! What is his real name born under?? Any pics of him?? Maybe I did see him, since I lived many times and did many exhibitions of my paintings I created in Los Angeles!!

Awaiting your news maybe about this or other movies or stars,

hugs!! May Hollywood gay stars shine always!!

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #3 on: January 05, 2008, 03:06:28 pm »
James Whale is his real name.

He was born in England in 1889 and served in WW I, coming to Hollywood in the 1920s. He died in 1957. He was found drowned in his swimming pool. The exact reason for his death (suicide) was not known until 1987 when his lover died and his suicide note was found among his papers.

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #4 on: January 05, 2008, 03:26:42 pm »
Do you know of gay subjects in movies??

Two examples maybe:

To-day, I saw on TV The Seven Year Itch 1955 with Marilyn Monroe...who lives on the second floor, and the first floor gentlemen metions that there are two menwho live on the 3rd floor as interior decorators or whatever!! May I ask you is that suppose to mean that those two men living together are gay, even a gay couple??


Not only was that supposed to be a gay couple, but Tom Ewell (the man who played Richard Sherman, who lusts after MM) was also gay! 

In "Clone: the life and legacy of Al Parker, Gay Superstar", there is mention of Al Parker being set up with his first job as an escort to service a very aged Tom Ewell.  It apparently didn't go so well...
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2008, 04:28:46 pm »
Thanks MaineWriter!

James Whale, I do not think that I met him then. Maybe my Hollywood friends would have!!

However, I would question if his death was suicide!! Is such a note still exist? Many, too many actors who were gay men have unknown deaths... even if it was murder!! Remember official papers on Marilyn Monroe disappeared at the coroner's office?

What was the name of his lover?

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« Reply #6 on: January 05, 2008, 04:31:27 pm »
Thanks TOoP/Bruce!

You say:
In "Clone: the life and legacy of Al Parker, Gay Superstar", there is mention of Al Parker being set up with his first job as an escort to service a very aged Tom Ewell.  It apparently didn't go so well...
 
 

Bruce, is there proof of that?
Al Parker past away, I think, right?

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #7 on: January 05, 2008, 04:40:33 pm »
Thanks MaineWriter!

James Whale, I do not think that I met him then. Maybe my Hollywood friends would have!!

However, I would question if his death was suicide!! Is such a note still exist? Many, too many actors who were gay men have unknown deaths... even if it was murder!! Remember official papers on Marilyn Monroe disappeared at the coroner's office?

What was the name of his lover?

Hugs! Thanks again...

His lover was named David Lewis.

I am not an expert on Whale's life, I only know what I have read online--and what was suggested in the movie "Gods and Monsters." You can find a brief bio at IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001843/bio

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #8 on: January 05, 2008, 04:40:46 pm »
Thanks TOoP/Bruce!

You say:
In "Clone: the life and legacy of Al Parker, Gay Superstar", there is mention of Al Parker being set up with his first job as an escort to service a very aged Tom Ewell.  It apparently didn't go so well...
 
 

Bruce, is there proof of that?
Al Parker past away, I think, right?

Hugs!!

The book is by Roger Edmonson.

The reference is on page 62.

http://books.google.com/books?id=xTHijC4DkGEC&pg=PA62&lpg=PA62&dq=clone+al+parker+tom+ewell&source=web&ots=mfSmgQhSlL&sig=9S94nU77M9scrn-G9yFbPf0WdsM
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #9 on: January 06, 2008, 03:42:03 pm »
Thanks MaineWriter!

Boy it would take me a whole afternoon maybe to see that suicide note which was possibly by James Whale! Since there are so many suicides by actors!! I often wonder about that, if so many did that or were they murdered?? !!

When I lived many times in Los Angeles, I heard, born persons there, mentioned sadly often that they thought that murderers got away with killing gays there!! I know that gay actors who past away as being murdered or unsolved deaths in Hollywood, most, if not all, have never been solved. Police, etc., do not care less. Look what happen to Marylin Monroe, since her papers about her disappeared at the morgue?? !!

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Regarding one of those first films in which James Whale participated in, that being Hell's Angels, I wonder if that  became the criminal gang's tiltle we know of to-day?
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Any other gay subjects in movies you know about?

Hugs!!

 

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« Reply #10 on: January 06, 2008, 03:44:45 pm »
Thanks TooP/Bruce!

So Al Parker's real name was Drew something? Or was that a nickname?

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2008, 03:11:29 am »
Thanks TooP/Bruce!

So Al Parker's real name was Drew something? Or was that a nickname?

Hugs!

This is a link to "Al Parker's" (Andrew Okun's) biography page at IMDb:

http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0662027/bio
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #12 on: January 07, 2008, 11:32:45 am »
Thanks TOop/Bruce!

Parker's bio is very interesting!  So Drew Okum was born in the USA . With that name, I would have changed it too; if you are an actor! But wish I knew more about this:
Professional name taken from a 1950s magazine illustrator.
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Raped at knife point when he was fifteen.
... So I wonder if that was in high school? And why was he raped? By whom? Anti-gay gang?
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It is said that:
in a 1987 interview, sharply criticized the gay adult film industry's failure to respond to the effect the AIDS crisis was having on its performers. He was one of the first producers to insist that performers use condoms in his movies.
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That is great that he was reponsable that way which probably saved many lives!!
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Since he:
was also a contestant on "The Dating Game" (1965)...
he was dated (matched with a female?)
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Again thanks,

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #13 on: February 10, 2008, 07:11:59 pm »
Recently, I saw two movies and felt that maybe there were gay nuances in them...

(a) The Last Picuture Show, 1971 with Tomothy Bottoms and Jeff Bridges;
is one of those actors gay in real life?

(b) Rebel Without A Cause, 1955 Of course Sal  was a gay man in real life; so was the other actor!!
Did one or both give quotes to about that acting as if one charactor therein or both were supposed to be gay maybe??

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« Reply #14 on: February 10, 2008, 07:48:00 pm »
Recently, I saw two movies and felt that maybe there were gay nuances in them...

(a) The Last Picuture Show, 1971 with Tomothy Bottoms and Jeff Bridges;
is one of those actors gay in real life?


Did you know that Larry McMurtry wrote the script for both "The Last Picture Show" as well as co-wrote the script for "Brokeback Mountain"?
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« Reply #15 on: February 10, 2008, 07:51:03 pm »
Thanks Bruce!

Yes, I am saying to you since I found that out last might in the interviews about that film: The Last Picture Show!!

But, I sense sonething GAY about it... did you too??

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« Reply #16 on: February 10, 2008, 07:58:05 pm »
There might've been homoerotic overtones in "The Last Picture Show" as there are in almost any movie about close male friends, but IMO - I've seen and read both the "Last Picture Show" and its sequel "Texasville" - the writers make it very clear that the two men were fighting over the same woman but for different reasons, and in later life




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« Reply #17 on: February 10, 2008, 08:03:49 pm »
Maybe because the two were in such a dire tight knit small town or village??

So what do you say about the OTHER movie I quoted?

Sal had pic of an ACTOR in his locker door... yes INSIDE, as that was evident and the ONLY pic there... it seems in THAT movie!!

Any other new about that?

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« Reply #18 on: February 10, 2008, 08:11:55 pm »
Maybe because the two were in such a dire tight knit small town or village??

So what do you say about the OTHER movie I quoted?

Sal had pic of an ACTOR in his locker door... yes INSIDE, as that was evident and the ONLY pic there... it seems in THAT movie!!

Any other new about that?

Hugs!!

I never saw "Rebel without a Cause".  I do know Sal Mineo was definitely gay, and I did hear/read that James Dean was probably bisexual, but I don't think I ever read anything definitive about it.

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« Reply #19 on: February 10, 2008, 09:00:13 pm »
You are right!

You must see it, since it is such a wonderful film!

Yes, they, these actors, were both said as you say.

When I lived in Hollywood, Los Angeles for many years and many times, it was said that Sal's murder was NOT solved!

Is it now, does you or anyone know??

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« Reply #20 on: February 10, 2008, 11:59:35 pm »
You are right!

You must see it, since it is such a wonderful film!

Yes, they, these actors, were both said as you say.

When I lived in Hollywood, Los Angeles for many years and many times, it was said that Sal's murder was NOT solved!

Is it now, does you or anyone know??


Hugs!!

From Wikipedia:

"...By 1976 Mineo's career seemed to be turning around again. Playing the role of a gay burglar in a San Francisco run of the stage comedy P.S. Your Cat Is Dead, he received substantial publicity from many positive reviews and moved on to Los Angeles with the play. Arriving home after a rehearsal on February 12, 1976, Mineo was stabbed to death in the alley behind a West Hollywood apartment building. He was 37 years old. He was stabbed just once, not repeatedly as first reported, but the blade struck his heart, leading to immediate and massive internal bleeding. Mineo was interred in the Cemetery of the Gate of Heaven in Hawthorne, New York.

According to Warren Johansson and William A. Percy's Outing: Shattering the Conspiracy of Silence, he was murdered under circumstances that suggested "a homosexual motive". Investigators reportedly found gay pornography in his home. Mineo identified himself as bisexual in a 1972 interview, published after his death, but his biography notes that he dated men exclusively in the last years of his short life.

A career criminal named Lionel Ray Williams was later sentenced to life in prison for killing Mineo.[citation needed] Although there was considerable confusion relating to what witnesses had seen in the darkness the night Mineo was murdered, Williams was reported to have boasted of the crime, which turned out to be a botched mugging. Williams claimed he had no idea who Mineo was. Williams was paroled in 1990, after serving 12 years, but was jailed numerous times afterwards for parole violations..."

Such a shame.  He was sooooo good looking.  My mother thought he was hot.

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« Reply #21 on: February 11, 2008, 12:34:19 am »
Thanks!

I did not know that that Williams was thought to be the one who murdered Sal!!

Was that Williams anti-gay?

Did he continue to harm gays after his prison term, and even before did he to others gays??

And where is he to-day?

I wonder if we ever get such replies??

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I figured that Sal was a brilliant actor!! And which films he did you liked??

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« Reply #22 on: February 11, 2008, 12:47:48 am »
Thanks!

I did not know that that Williams was thought to be the one who murdered Sal!!

Was that Williams anti-gay?

Did he continue to harm gays after his prison term, and even before did he to others gays??

And where is he to-day?

I wonder if we ever get such replies??

...

I figured that Sal was a brilliant actor!! And which films he did you liked??

Hugs!

Who knows if the killer was even homophobic?  He claims he didn't even know who Sal was and it was just a random mugging gone wrong.

I don't have a favorite Sal Mineo movie.  I just remember seeing him in old movies and my mother pointed out how good looking he was and wasn't it a shame he was dead and I agreed completely.

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« Reply #23 on: February 11, 2008, 12:55:11 am »
Thanks!

Sure would like to read Sal interview where he says that he is gay!

Wonder if any clip of that?

Or any written article on the internet or in a newspaper??

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« Reply #24 on: February 11, 2008, 01:11:56 am »
Thanks!

Sure would like to read Sal interview where he says that he is gay!

Wonder if any clip of that?

Or any written article on the internet or in a newspaper??

Hugs!

I love that film with a passion!  Even though Plato (Mineo) was looking for a father figure there was definitely sexual tension between him and Jim (Dean).  According to this article there was a lot going on both on and off the set...


Here's a link to an interesting article called: Finding the Father: A Psychoanalytic Study of 
Rebel without a Cause
 

http://www.sensesofcinema.com/contents/00/5/finding.html

An excerpt:

During the filming of Rebel, sexual tensions among Nicholas Ray, Natalie Wood, James Dean and Sal Mineo eerily reflected the repressed sexual desires inherent among the film's characters. According to Spoto, rumors "circulated of an erotic relationship between Dean and Ray...The suggestion, however unverifiable, is not outlandish: it is easy, for example, to imagine Ray making love to the image of himself...It is equally understandable if Jimmy had tried to please another respected mentor-father" (220). Dean had never recovered from his father's abandonment of him after the death of his mother, and he sought a father figure in Ray.

Dean, however, was not the only actor with whom Ray purportedly had an illicit affair. "Early during the preparations," writes Spoto, "Ray...easily seduced sixteen-year-old Natalie Wood, and throughout the production kept her in the thrall of a fierce sexual passion...She had already endured an unhappy home life with her mother...and father" (218-19). Both actors seemed intent on gaining their surrogate father's attention.

Another anecdote comes from Stewart Stern, the screenwriter of Rebel, who claims that Ray was "'the maypole around whom everyone needy and dependent swirled and danced, and he enthroned himself as guru at the Chateau Marmont, where he seemed to possess the souls of James Dean and Natalie Wood'"(qtd. in Spoto 219). Faye Nuell Mayo, Wood's stand-in and double, also recalled that Ray's Sunday afternoon gatherings at the hotel were "'sometimes a bit wild, because everyone was avidly competing for the director's attention and approval'" (219). Wood and Dean, like Judy and Jim, were searching for a father who would help initiate them into the symbolic world.

If there is sexual tension between Plato and Jim in the film, then sexual tension between Mineo and Dean was also present on the set. "'I realized later that I was homo-sexually attracted to him,'" Mineo later recalled of Dean. "'When he showed love to me, when he said it, that did it. He was really overwhelming'" (qtd. in Spoto 220). Although nothing sexual ever transpired between the two actors, Plato's obvious desire of Jim, both sexual and familial, is indicative of Mineo's attraction toward, and deep respect for, Dean.

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« Reply #25 on: February 11, 2008, 03:19:01 am »
"Celluloid Closet" is a good movie to watch to see gay subjects in movies up to the late 80s/early 90s.  It's a documentary that shows the progress -- or lack of it -- in how gays have been portrayed in movies.  This link lists the movies featured in the film, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Celluloid_Closet

As for homo undercurrents, "Top Gun" is gayer than Paris in spring.  And maybe it's just me, but I thought the scene between Matt Dillon and Kevin Bacon in "Wild Things" was pretty homoerotic.  Considering the twists and turns in that movie, I expected them to get it on at any moment.  The fact that Kevin Bacon showed his half-tumescent pecker in the scene may have something to do with it. 

It's not a movie, but on "Melrose Place"'s sixth season, there was a story with Kyle (Rob Estes) and his old Marine buddy Nick (Scott Plank) that was pretty homoerotic.  Even though Kyle was the resident hetero stud, Nick really hated Kyle's wife, and both guys got very emotional with each other.  They both got teary when Nick left town.  On the same show in the the first couple of seasons, Michael and Matt seemed to have an odd relationship, and I've read that Doug Savant (Matt) wanted to really play up the fact that Matt was in love with Michael. 
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #26 on: February 11, 2008, 05:59:59 am »
As for homo undercurrents, "Top Gun" is gayer than Paris in spring.  And maybe it's just me, but I thought the scene between Matt Dillon and Kevin Bacon in "Wild Things" was pretty homoerotic.  Considering the twists and turns in that movie, I expected them to get it on at any moment.  The fact that Kevin Bacon showed his half-tumescent pecker in the scene may have something to do with it. 

I saw Top Gun a long time ago and frankly I don't have much recollection of it, except that there was zero chemistry between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis. However, I don't recall perceiving any homo undercurrents anywhere in the movie, so now I'm renting it since your comment made me curious!
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #27 on: February 11, 2008, 08:14:51 am »
I just read something about Top Gun and someone commented on the shirtless volleyball games and that there were one too many shower scenes. LOL

I watched The Celluloid Closet just a few weeks ago. It's very good but a little bit out of date (it was made in 1995). Still, it is worth watching.

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« Reply #28 on: February 11, 2008, 09:12:37 am »
I saw Top Gun a long time ago and frankly I don't have much recollection of it, except that there was zero chemistry between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis. However, I don't recall perceiving any homo undercurrents anywhere in the movie, so now I'm renting it since your comment made me curious!

The director of "Top Gun" is Tony Scott (brother to Ridley Scott), who is openly gay.  who was widely rumored at he time to be gay.

[Edited to correct for factual content.  I've confused rumor with fact on this point.  My apologies.]

The widely told story of "Top Gun" is that after Tony Scott turned in his "final" cut, the studio wanted to add a couple of scenes to underscore the "heterosexuality" of Tom Cruise's character.  (The studio execs were reportedly aghast that with the all the shirtlessness and locker room scenes, the film looked like a gay softcore.) Kelly McGillis had already cut her hair for another movie, ("Witness" perhaps?) and so the added scenes were the elevator scene (she wears a hat), and the bedroom scene at the end (the gauzy fabric isn't just for romance, it's to keep you from figuring out that the hair she is wearing isn't entirely her own).
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« Reply #29 on: February 11, 2008, 09:23:28 am »
The director of "Top Gun" is Tony Scott (brother to Ridley Scott), who is openly gay. 


Doe his wife know?  ;D

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« Reply #30 on: February 11, 2008, 09:31:48 am »
Doe his wife know?  ;D

No, it's a secret.  Don't tell ANYONE!!!!

(Maybe he changed his mind!!!  Or maybe I got that part of the story wrong?  Maybe Tom Cruise or Val Kilmer was gay?)
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« Reply #31 on: February 11, 2008, 09:38:06 am »
No, it's a secret.  Don't tell ANYONE!!!!

(Maybe he changed his mind!!!  Or maybe I got that part of the story wrong?)

I had never heard about Tony Scott being gay so i checked IMDb and it says he's married (to a woman) and it also lists two previous marriages.

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« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2008, 09:42:04 am »
I had never heard about Tony Scott being gay so i checked IMDb and it says he's married (to a woman) and it also lists two previous marriages.

I will officially retract that part of the story...  Tony Scott must have been openly straight.  My mistake... :laugh: :laugh: :laugh:



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« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2008, 12:49:30 pm »
Why?

May I re-say that Sal had ONLY a pic of a famous actor inside his locker??

Why?

Wasn't that obvious to the audience??
 And placed there on purpose??

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2008, 01:06:09 pm »
The director of "Top Gun" is Tony Scott (brother to Ridley Scott), who is openly gay. who was widely rumored at he time to be gay.

[Edited to correct for factual content.  I've confused rumor with fact on this point.  My apologies.]

The widely told story of "Top Gun" is that after Tony Scott turned in his "final" cut, the studio wanted to add a couple of scenes to underscore the "heterosexuality" of Tom Cruise's character.  (The studio execs were reportedly aghast that with the all the shirtlessness and locker room scenes, the film looked like a gay softcore.) Kelly McGillis had already cut her hair for another movie, ("Witness" perhaps?) and so the added scenes were the elevator scene (she wears a hat), and the bedroom scene at the end (the gauzy fabric isn't just for romance, it's to keep you from figuring out that the hair she is wearing isn't entirely her own).

IMDb has a slight variation on the story...same idea, though.

# The love scene between Tom Cruise and Kelly McGillis was filmed after initial test screenings. Moviegoers complained that there was no love scene, so the company obliged. McGillis, however, had already dyed her hair darker for her next film. This is why the scene is tinted blue. Also noticeable as a subsequent shoot due to the longer length of Tom Cruise's hair (particularly in front).

# Like the love scene, the elevator scene (where Maverick and Charlie meet after Mav's workout) was filmed post-production. Kelly McGillis's hair had already been colored for another movie role, that is why she is wearing a hat. Tom Cruise's hair is longer in the shot, as well.
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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2008, 01:16:01 pm »
Well it played to a relatively conservative audience, so I supposed they figured they better put some "lipstick" on the film.   

I went with a group of hardcore straight college boys to see this film and even they noticed that they must have inserted those locker room and volleyball scenes in order to attract women to see the film.  ;D

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« Reply #36 on: February 11, 2008, 01:51:35 pm »
Why?

May I re-say that Sal had ONLY a pic of a famous actor inside his locker??

Why?

Wasn't that obvious to the audience??
 And placed there on purpose??

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Yes, I think it's obvious that Sal Mineo's character Plato is supposed to be gay in Rebel Without a Cause.  Does anyone remember who the actor is who's picture Plato has in his locker?

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #37 on: February 11, 2008, 01:59:05 pm »
Yes, I think it's obvious that Sal Mineo's character Plato is supposed to be gay in Rebel Without a Cause.  Does anyone remember who the actor is who's picture Plato has in his locker?

If memory serves (and a quick verification on IMDb...I'm right!)....Alan Ladd

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« Reply #38 on: February 11, 2008, 07:57:04 pm »
Thanks oilgun, than MaineWriter, and thanks to all too!!

Yes, I think too that it was Alan Ladd!!

Can someone find a pic of that locker pic?? Please.
.................

But why? Because Alan Ladd was gay??

Or was it Sal's choice to add that?? Or somebody elses??

Can someone find out??

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #39 on: February 11, 2008, 08:15:00 pm »
According to this site, Alan Ladd was straight.

He was married twice and had three children with his second wife. He died of an overdose of drugs (1964).





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« Reply #40 on: February 11, 2008, 08:47:18 pm »
According to this site, Alan Ladd was straight.

He was married twice and had three children with his second wife. He died of an overdose of drugs (1964).

http://www.nndb.com/people/517/000031424/

That's an interesting site.  I like the Executive Summary for each person.  Alan Ladd's is:  Shane
(Shane was a father figure for that kid in the movie wasn't he? And doesn't he leave?   Maybe that's why they picked him for the locker photo.)

I checked Sal Mineo and his Summary was:  Dies in Rebel Without A Cause

And then I checked Divine and s/he's stuck with:  Poodle poop-eating drag queen.(!)

Heath is Brokeback Mountain of course.  It will be interesting to see if The Joker ever becomes his defining role.


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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #41 on: February 11, 2008, 10:04:53 pm »
That's an interesting site.  I like the Executive Summary for each person.  Alan Ladd's is:  Shane
(Shane was a father figure for that kid in the movie wasn't he? And doesn't he leave?   Maybe that's why they picked him for the locker photo.)

I checked Sal Mineo and his Summary was:  Dies in Rebel Without A Cause

And then I checked Divine and s/he's stuck with:  Poodle poop-eating drag queen.(!)

Heath is Brokeback Mountain of course.  It will be interesting to see if The Joker ever becomes his defining role.



It's a very interesting site. Look up Eddie Murphy and Tom Cruise for fun.

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« Reply #42 on: February 12, 2008, 10:48:24 am »
Thanks MaineWriter!!

I am surprised to read that maybe Alan Ladd was a heterosexual... what a surprise!!

I thought I had read that he was gay!! I possibly now think that he was bisexual, at least!!

More research need to be done?

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« Reply #43 on: February 12, 2008, 11:06:58 am »
Thanks MaineWriter!!

I am surprised to read that maybe Alan Ladd was a heterosexual... what a surprise!!

I thought I had read that he was gay!! I possibly now think that he was bisexual, at least!!

More research need to be done?

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I haven't heard anything about Alan Ladd being bi but do let us know if you find something.

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« Reply #44 on: February 12, 2008, 11:14:56 am »
Thanks oilgun!

Something tells me that Alan Ladd was gay or bi-!!

But I can not remember if I had read that in a book.

Or if someone who acted with him or worked there... or was it a journalist who wrote about Hollywood I knew when I lived in Los Angeles!!

He sure was handsome!! More information needed!!

Do you wonder like I do, why the photo of Alan Ladd was in that locker Sal had in that wonderful classic movie Rebel without a Cause??

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #45 on: February 12, 2008, 12:48:54 pm »
Thanks oilgun!

Something tells me that Alan Ladd was gay or bi-!!

But I can not remember if I had read that in a book.

Or if someone who acted with him or worked there... or was it a journalist who wrote about Hollywood I knew when I lived in Los Angeles!!

He sure was handsome!! More information needed!!

Do you wonder like I do, why the photo of Alan Ladd was in that locker Sal had in that wonderful classic movie Rebel without a Cause??

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I mentioned a possible reason in my earlier post.  Since Alan Ladd was best known for the character Shane in the movie of the same name (which had been released just two years before so he was probably at the height of his popularity) and in that film, Shane becomes a father figure to a fatherless boy but then ends up leaving the boy at the end. ("Shane!  Come Back!") Sal's Plato could probably relate to that.  Plus one of the themes of  RWAC, as mentioned in the article I posted, can be seen as a search for the Father, so maybe Alan Ladd was a father figure in addition to being an object of desire.  He also saw James Dean's Jimmy Stark as a father figure and was also attracted to him sexually, which is not unusual. 
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« Reply #46 on: February 12, 2008, 03:57:58 pm »
I love that clip, Gary!! Thanks!!

I did too think that Top Gun was gay in some or many ways!! They sure are handsome dudes then!!

I always felt that Cruise was gay... or could be!! Then!! At least, Cruise is more wealthy because of gays viewing that film!!

Did you think that Cruise is then gay in Top Gun?

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Re: Gay subjects in movies??
« Reply #47 on: February 12, 2008, 09:49:04 pm »
That's a hysterical clip.

Yeah, I guess the volleyball should have given it away.  Most straight guys I know prefer tackle.  Hitting someone.  ;D

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« Reply #48 on: February 13, 2008, 12:17:36 am »
Anyone found yet about that pic in that famous locker??

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« Reply #49 on: February 13, 2008, 10:11:41 am »
Anyone found yet about that pic in that famous locker??

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I think you are going to have to watch the movie, Artiste, and make a screen cap of the scene.

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« Reply #50 on: February 13, 2008, 10:12:11 am »
Thanks for that movie clip, Gary. That was great.

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« Reply #51 on: February 13, 2008, 11:06:21 am »
LOL Thanks Gary for giving me a, great way to start my day with that clip

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« Reply #52 on: February 13, 2008, 11:24:54 am »


Iceman, whaa happen?!


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« Reply #53 on: February 13, 2008, 12:15:46 pm »
ICEMAN might be gaining weight for a movie, yeah right!!!  I liked Val Kilmer in THE DOORS.  Have not seen much of him since he played Alexander the Great's dad (Philip) in Oliver Stone's ALEXANDER.  THe homoeroticism between Kilmer and Chris O'Donnell was also there in BATMAN FOREVER. You will never see Robin in another Batman movie.  ;D

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« Reply #54 on: February 13, 2008, 10:38:35 pm »
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Henry Winkler says John Ritter sweating on set the day he died
Wed Feb 13, 6:04 PM
 


By Linda Deutsch, The Associated Press


GLENDALE, Calif. - Actor Henry Winkler took the witness stand Wednesday in a lawsuit over the death of actor John Ritter, telling jurors he had a conversation with his friend just hours before he died.


Winkler, who played The Fonz on "Happy Days," also gave the jury a testimonial to the comedic brilliance of Ritter, who was best known for the classic sitcom "Three's Company."


"He kept everyone laughing. He was a professional," said Winkler.


Ritter, at the time starring in the TV show "8 Simple Rules ... For Dating My Teenage Daughter," died on Sept. 11, 2003, after suffering a tear in his aorta, known as an aortic dissection. He was 54.


Winkler testified that on the day of Ritter's death he was doing a guest appearance on "8 Simple Rules" and he did not suspect anything was seriously wrong with his friend.


At one point, he said, they were recalling old times before they were due to perform an episode in which Winkler was to play Ritter's new boss.


"We were reminiscing," Winkler said. "He was sweating (and said) 'I really need to get some water.' I said 'I really need to memorize my lines.' And he went one way and I went the other. And that was the last time I saw him."


The lawsuit says Ritter was treated for a heart attack instead of the aortic dissection and seeks $67 million from a radiologist who earlier gave Ritter a body scan and the cardiologist who treated him that day. The trial follows settlements with Providence St. Joseph Medical Center in Burbank and other medical personnel for about $14 million.


Defence attorneys have told the jury that neither doctor was responsible for Ritter's death and that the body scan two years earlier showed his aorta was of normal size and there was no sign it would dissect.


Winkler said that a while after he saw Ritter the members of the cast were told to go home but weren't told what was wrong. He said he knew it was the fifth birthday of one of Ritter's children and he thought perhaps he had decided to quit early to celebrate.


"At 9 at night I was called and told he was in the hospital and at 11 or 11:30 I was called to say 'We have lost John,' " Winkler testified.


He told jurors Ritter had been thrilled that "lightning had struck again" and he had a new hit show.


"He loved everyone in the cast and they loved him," he said.


Much of Winkler's testimony dealt with Ritter's devotion to his wife, Amy Yasbeck, and his four children.


Asked what he thought the children would miss most about their father, Winkler replied: "His passion for life. His excitement for being on the Earth."


"Any conversation we had wrapped around his children, the pride and the love," Winkler said.


Ritter and Yasbeck "were an incredible team. . . . They were like two sides of a whole," Winkler said.

Yasbeck wiped her eyes several times during Winkler's testimony.

Outside court, Winkler talked to reporters but would not comment on whether he believed the doctors were to blame.




 

It seems to me that I remember John Ritter in a movie where he was dressed as a woman in which he acted as a murderer?

Did he do any gay subject?

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