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What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« on: February 03, 2008, 02:22:10 am »
I thought this might be an interesting question with the Brokie community reaching it's 2+ year anniversary and given all the reflection that's gone on in these recent, tragic and intense days following the loss of Heath.

So, the simple question is how do you define an identity as a Brokie? 

And, a few logical questions follow from this.

Do you consider yourself to be one (essentially, do you self-identify as a Brokie)?  And, would people on the pavement recognize you as a Brokie (i.e. do folks know you're a Brokie)?

Further, what do you make of the possibly-zillions of folks out there in the world who like and even love Brokeback Mountain, but who don't identify as Brokies... and who might not even be aware of the concept?
 


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I'll start with a few thoughts of my own.  This is not, by any means my full definition of what a Brokie is... but, again this is a start for this topic.

I absolutely consider myself to be a Brokie.  That said, almost no one in my real life would understand that I am one.

A few salient, defining features of being a Brokie (from my point of view) include:
-understanding/easily using Brokieisms. 
-willingly viewing BBM multiple times or feeling compelled to view it multiple times. 
-possessing a certain level of deep knowledge about both the film/story and the makers (actors, writers, director, etc.) of the film and story.
-feeling the need to discuss aspects of these interests with others on a continual basis


I'd be really curious to hear how others might reflect on this identity that's developed as a culture around Brokeback Mountain and how you see yourself fitting in to this culture.






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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2008, 02:30:49 am »
well, i know i'm a brokie.  i haven't been on this forum in ages, and am considered 'new',  but i've been a brokie for a long time.
everyone i'm close to knows it.
i've introduced the movie to more people than i can count.
i refer back to it as an example with any topic i discuss with friends or family.
i think about it day and night
i watch it over and over again
sometimes i find it difficult to see jake as jake, and not jack, and same with heath before his passing.....i saw ennis.  the fact that he was with michelle added to this......ennis and alma. (no disrespect towards the actors and their real lives intended)
i'm a christian, and yet the movie has broadened my belief system in many ways (i started a new thread regarding this on "twist family bible study")
and......well,......it changed my life.
i love brokeback mountain.
i believe in it
i believed in the characters, the place, the story, and the love.
it's part of my daily life, and i'm glad i'm not alone in that.....(hence all the members of this board)
i don't know what makes a brokie, but i know i am one.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2008, 02:58:54 am »
well, i know i'm a brokie.  i haven't been on this forum in ages, and am considered 'new',  but i've been a brokie for a long time.
everyone i'm close to knows it.
i've introduced the movie to more people than i can count.
i refer back to it as an example with any topic i discuss with friends or family.
i think about it day and night
i watch it over and over again
sometimes i find it difficult to see jake as jake, and not jack, and same with heath before his passing.....i saw ennis.  the fact that he was with michelle added to this......ennis and alma. (no disrespect towards the actors and their real lives intended)
i'm a christian, and yet the movie has broadened my belief system in many ways (i started a new thread regarding this on "twist family bible study")
and......well,......it changed my life.
i love brokeback mountain.
i believe in it
i believed in the characters, the place, the story, and the love.
it's part of my daily life, and i'm glad i'm not alone in that.....(hence all the members of this board)
i don't know what makes a brokie, but i know i am one.

Thanks for this awesome post Friend! :)

I think you hit the nail on the head about one probably-pretty-common theme for most Brokies... that Brokeback changed our lives.  I'm sure the change is different and unique to each Brokie. 

For me, it certainly changed my life.  That rings very true.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #3 on: February 03, 2008, 04:10:06 am »
Hey Bud,

I just found this thread, having 10 seconds ago finished writing something OT on a different thread related to this very subject (in response to a post you wrote -- no coincidence, I assume  ;D). Anyway, I do have a few thoughts on this but it's really late and I'm going to take the night to collect them.

In the meantime, the one thing I'll say is that being a Brokie has always seemed a bit mystical to me -- like we were all chosen by some higher power, though believe me I usually don't think in those terms. To show you how much I don't think in those terms, I'll note that when I say "chosen," what comes to mind is not the Jews of the Old Testament as much as the characters in Stephen King's The Stand, who, when a bio-warfare experiment gone awry wipes out 99+ percent of the planet's population, remain immune and then all gather and telepathically gravitate toward Las Vegas for a final showdown between Good and Evil.

I haven't yet bought my ticket to Vegas. But I've always been struck by the fact that, aside from our fascination with BBM, there's no single quality that all Brokies have in common, and there's no single quality that separates us from many of the world's non-Brokies. And yet it's a very, very powerful identity. So to me, being a Brokie is mysterious and possibly even metaphysical.


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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #4 on: February 03, 2008, 05:27:20 am »
Great topic.....

The term "chosen" is one that I reflected on a long time ago....I had this thought, that in every theatre, at every viewing of Brokeback Mountain, there was this spritual being, who knew by the way we were reacting to the movie,who knew we would preserve the story of Brokeback, who knew that our life would be changed forever, who, then softly and unnoticed, tapped us on the shoulder, and said, "go forth, and be a Brokie".....

Something led us to the message board,to sites like Bettermost, or Yahoo.... for most of us it was the first time we had ever known there were message boards on movies, let alone join one. The need to congregate with other Brokies was insatiable, necessary and satisfying.

We wanted to spread the word to others, about this wonderful movie, and at times we were confronted with ridicule and nasty remarks  about that "gay cowboy movie",(usually from people who had not even seen the movie), but it didnt deter us, we kept on talking, we kept on even boring some of our family, we even thought we needed to "get over it" ourselves, but it had taken hold and we could not get it out of our system, even if we wanted to.

Finally, we accepted that we will be Brokies forever, unashemedly, and unconditionally.

I stand tall and proud that I am a Brokie.....


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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #5 on: February 03, 2008, 11:21:18 am »

I haven't yet bought my ticket to Vegas. But I've always been struck by the fact that, aside from our fascination with BBM, there's no single quality that all Brokies have in common, and there's no single quality that separates us from many of the world's non-Brokies. And yet it's a very, very powerful identity. So to me, being a Brokie is mysterious and possibly even metaphysical.


Or mystical.

I was struck by Heath's family referring to him as an "old soul." That tells me they had a deep understanding of why he was here on this earth and who he was.

It is very apparent to me that being a Brokie is about finding something new in myself, waking up parts of me I didn't know were there--beginning a new path in my life (which involved writing) and learning more about myself.

For me, it is less about others knowing that I am a Brokie and more about what being a Brokie means to me. That is what I reflect on on a daily basis.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #6 on: February 03, 2008, 12:06:05 pm »
I'm puzzled as to the word: Brokie!!

Maybe I am like Annie was: Brokenback or should I use Brokeback??

Wonderful thread you started atz!!

And great comments everyone!! May it continue as Annie's story and the BM film: forever!!

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #7 on: February 03, 2008, 05:24:06 pm »
Hey Bud,

I just found this thread, having 10 seconds ago finished writing something OT on a different thread related to this very subject (in response to a post you wrote -- no coincidence, I assume  ;D). Anyway, I do have a few thoughts on this but it's really late and I'm going to take the night to collect them.

In the meantime, the one thing I'll say is that being a Brokie has always seemed a bit mystical to me -- like we were all chosen by some higher power, though believe me I usually don't think in those terms. To show you how much I don't think in those terms, I'll note that when I say "chosen," what comes to mind is not the Jews of the Old Testament as much as the characters in Stephen King's The Stand, who, when a bio-warfare experiment gone awry wipes out 99+ percent of the planet's population, remain immune and then all gather and telepathically gravitate toward Las Vegas for a final showdown between Good and Evil.

I haven't yet bought my ticket to Vegas. But I've always been struck by the fact that, aside from our fascination with BBM, there's no single quality that all Brokies have in common, and there's no single quality that separates us from many of the world's non-Brokies. And yet it's a very, very powerful identity. So to me, being a Brokie is mysterious and possibly even metaphysical.



Hey Friend,

Yes the emergence of this topic in one of the Heath-forum threads (as you deduced) definitely inspired me to bring this question out into it's own thread.  And, I know you and I have discussed this a lot before... especially the phenomenon of folks who both like BBM and aren't Brokies.
Such a puzzling phenomenon indeed.
 :laugh: ;)

Anyway... thanks for all these great replies.  :)  I do know what you mean with the concept of "chosen" ... it's hard to describe, but I do know what you mean.  On one level it's about being amongst other folks who don't question (at all) all the quirky things that go along with being a Brokie.  Do you know what I mean?  Nobody here judges anyone else here for deciding to watch BBM 300 times within the space of one year... And no one questions the desire to take time off of work to drive out to the middle of nowhere to a place like Lightning Flat just because it's so evocative of BBM (just to cite random examples of things that don't phase anyone here at BetterMost... but would seem really alarming to a lot of non-Brokies out there on the pavement).

At this point, to me being a Brokie is also tied to this social community that's developed here at BetterMost (with the comfortable knowledge that our Brokie culture extends beyond the borders of BetterMost to the two other main forums, imdb, etc.).  While I'm not too active on any of the other forums, I find it hugely comforting to know that there are "more of us" out there.

So, I guess this is a question... how much is being a Brokie tied up with online activity?  I'm sure there are lots of folks who might-well be Brokies but who have never stumbled into the online world of Brokiedom.  It is interesting to realize that Brokieness is so bound up with online social networking.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #8 on: February 04, 2008, 12:54:40 am »
Brokie: ?

To me it means that I was so deeply moved by the film, and the short story that I now look at my life from a different perspective.

It means that I know others both online and in real time who share this change of perspective.

It means that I am so interested in Brokie trivia that I will be journeying with a number of other men to WY this year to see the sites mentioned in the film and the ss, I also plan to take a long planned trip to Canada and will stop in outside Canmore to see the much photographed mountain.

The Brokie phenom has touched me deeply enough that I now relate some experiences in my life to the film, such as when I hear Geo. Straits "Amarillo by Morning" I now think of Jack Twist's rodeo career, that song has been around for about 20 years, but now when I hear it, it has an added poignancy.

Today D.L and I attended some events here in Ft Worth that are a part of the annual stockyard show, I kept seeing young men who reminded me of Jack. I just smiled to myself.

So, being a Brokie has enriched my life by changing my perceptions. What a wonderful gift from AP and Ang Lee! 

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2008, 05:14:38 pm »
Yes, oh yes, I'm a Brokie all right.....soon of to bed but first.....When I first saw the movie I was litterly sweapt of my feet....and since then I have this feeling in me....as a powerplant or...I don't know how to express myself but BBM gave me a new input in life, it made me more aware of how fragile things are, things you often take for granted....

I belong in a community of others, like me touched by this beautiful story! For that I'm so happy!

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2008, 07:06:52 pm »
I am a Brokie, and to me that essentially means I was moved and touched by the film Brokeback Mountain to such a strong degree that 1) it has become one of my very favorite films; 2) indeed, it has become my single favorite film; and 3) it has actually transcended its status as a work of art and entertainment to become a part of my life and being. I have never been emotionally impacted by a film like I was with this one; Ennis and Jack became part of my waking life, and my dream life as well...for quite a while, I could think of little else other than these two remarkable characters and their beautiful, soul-searing love. Though I don't believe I have yet experienced true love, I have an intimation of what it looks and feels like by the example of these two immortal cowboys.

The film and story have brought me closer to my local roots, made me more appreciative of the country, its people and culture. A son of the city, and one who was largely ignorant and disdainful of country and Western music and the culture which nurtured it, I was propelled by this beautiful movie to approach this part of my local heritage with fresh, unbiased eyes and ears. I have found in country and Western music a wholesome, earthy strength and vitality which nourishes my heart and calms my spirit. I feel at home in a way I never did before when I now pass out of the city and traverse the farm and ranch land which now seems the very soul of my native state. I have been humbled to reflect in my newly affirmed insight that it is not in the refinement of their manners, speech, or education by which a person's beauty may be measured, but in the goodness of their heart, and their capacity to love. I look to the western horizon and think of loves found, lost, and treasured through bittersweet memory. And I owe this all to to the visionary instinct of one Annie Proulx who mused and dreamed on the hidden life of a lonely, longing Wyoming ranch hand eyeing the boys across the bar one fateful night.
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #11 on: February 06, 2008, 01:32:20 am »
Beautifully said, Scott.  You're one of our treasures, bud.  :-*
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #12 on: February 06, 2008, 03:49:06 am »
Like Meryl's sig line says right above me, "Ich bin eine Brokie." 

The word is short, uncomplicated and Anglo-Saxon.  But unlike for some here, for me, it's mostly private.  I don't tend to proselytize these days about almost anything, maybe because my energy is too finite, and it has to last me each day.  Sure am glad some of you do though, for me. 



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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #13 on: February 06, 2008, 08:11:16 pm »
First I have to go back to January 2007, me and Lynne and Wayne and RouxB and Wulf in a cabin in West Virginia, in the middle of the night, blood alcohol content already waaaaaay too high, and we pondered just this thing, but I rememory it being along the lines of what are we supposed to do.

The general consensus was that whenever two or more gather in their names, anyone in earshot should know why. As testament to the power of this story. The next morning when we were leaving we signed the cabin guest book and wrote that we had come together and become friends because of Brokeback Mountain, and if the reader had not seen it they should. I have tried to live up to that "Council of Oakwood" agreement. I think I have been more or less successful.

But to the heart of the matter I see it this way (with thanks to Moremojo, whose posts helped me realize this): Each of us, that first time we saw the movie, sitting in the dark, fell in love with Jack and Ennis. We became a silent third party to their affair, we invested in it emotionally, and in that short time, we lost Jack. He was taken from us, and we were unable to console Ennis, so we had to console ourselves.

What has grown from that for me, is a kinship, with the Shepards, the Byrds, the Bousmans, the families the world over who have lost loved ones at the hands of hate. We are called to stand and testify thru our word and our deed to this pain. We are called to represent this story to the world.

The story, I feel is a living force. Annie Proulx herself spoke in her essay that Jack and Ennis became very real to her, something that had never happened to her before. Other writers confirmed for her that this does happen. She, probably the most unlikely of all, labored for months to bring into the world a story that in the beginning she herself could not comprehend. I think about the pain, the agony and emotion that we have all been thru as a group, and I think of this one lone woman who gave birth to Jack and Ennis, how for so long she was all alone with them and what that must have been like.

So for me to be a Brokie is to stand and testify:
 
*that people of the same sex can love one another.

*that wrongs, no matter how old, should be righted, if at all possible.

*that those who are struggling, should be helped.

*that evil, must in every instance be confronted, with love. 
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #14 on: February 29, 2008, 10:44:26 pm »
I know I am a relative newcommer here,but still consider myself a Brokie,in the sense,watch and re watch the fillm..pause it,rewind it,analyse every nuance and gesture/Watch with and without subtitles to see if I have missed anything.
Read and re read the story and script.sometimes whilst simultaneously watching the film,Listen endlessly to the sountrack and feel deprived if I do not have a BBM moment a day.

I do not feel chosen, bit I do feel there was something beyond what I can understand which caused me to watch it for the 1st time,inspite of owning it for months.That something was I feel telling me I needed to heal.But to do that I had to recognise the wounds were still there,with only the flimsiest veneer covering them.

But far more than that,it has brought me to this site,when I was so lost and confused by the overwhelming emotions I was experiencing.The film seemed to have taken on a life of its own,my life .That was something I had never experienced before,and having had some problems of a psychological nature before,I really felt perhaps it was all starting again.

Becomming a brookie became all pervasive,but then I met the truly good people here.The film had indeed reopened old wounds and I was again beginning to have problems.The difference was,no one here laughed,Nearly everyone had experienced some sort of epiphany brought on by the film.
Many appeared to be some way down the road to resolving those issues.So that gave me hope.I realised very soon that I could post here and not be judged.It has become my therapy and allowed me to face fears I have never had the courage to do before.

People here have opened my mind .and let me not only feel ,but believe that it is O.K to feel the pain and sob.I don't need to hide it all away in some hidden part of my mind.By having the freedom to do this I have slowly started to address some long neglected issues,which in turn means that at long last I have started to heal.
 It therefore starts and ends with the film,but sandwiched in between, is this wonderful place called Better Most, and its many kind souls.

So Being a Brookie to me means being a human who was deeply affected by the film on one or several levels,but who then found help, comfort and something akin to a brotherhood/sisterhood,of kindred spirits here on this site.Sorry if that sounds a bit wet,but it is how I feel.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #15 on: February 29, 2008, 11:11:09 pm »
It therefore starts and ends with the film,but sandwiched in between, is this wonderful place called Better Most, and its many kind souls.

So Being a Brookie to me means being a human who was deeply affected by the film on one or several levels,but who then found help, comfort and something akin to a brotherhood/sisterhood,of kindred spirits here on this site.Sorry if that sounds a bit wet,but it is how I feel.

Very beautifully stated, Fiona, and it makes me aware all over again of what a remarkable film Brokeback Mountain is and how it has become much more than a film to those of us who have the good fortune to call ourselves Brokies.  I'm glad you're a part of our family.  :-*
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #16 on: February 29, 2008, 11:52:10 pm »
Friends...
and much more.

Like life in the BM movie and Annie's story!!

In order for I and all of us to be better!!

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #17 on: March 01, 2008, 11:53:37 am »
Friends...
and much more.

Like life in the BM movie and Annie's story!!

In order for I and all of us to be better!!

Hugs!

Wow,
you manged to ariculate in a few well chosen words,what it took me several paragraphs to say,
wish I had could be as concise as that,and still get my point across,
Great post !!!!

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #18 on: March 01, 2008, 12:50:25 pm »
First I have to go back to January 2007, me and Lynne and Wayne and RouxB and Wulf in a cabin in West Virginia, in the middle of the night, blood alcohol content already waaaaaay too high, and we pondered just this thing, but I rememory it being along the lines of what are we supposed to do.

The general consensus was that whenever two or more gather in their names, anyone in earshot should know why. As testament to the power of this story. The next morning when we were leaving we signed the cabin guest book and wrote that we had come together and become friends because of Brokeback Mountain, and if the reader had not seen it they should. I have tried to live up to that "Council of Oakwood" agreement. I think I have been more or less successful.

But to the heart of the matter I see it this way (with thanks to Moremojo, whose posts helped me realize this): Each of us, that first time we saw the movie, sitting in the dark, fell in love with Jack and Ennis. We became a silent third party to their affair, we invested in it emotionally, and in that short time, we lost Jack. He was taken from us, and we were unable to console Ennis, so we had to console ourselves.

What has grown from that for me, is a kinship, with the Shepards, the Byrds, the Bousmans, the families the world over who have lost loved ones at the hands of hate. We are called to stand and testify thru our word and our deed to this pain. We are called to represent this story to the world.

The story, I feel is a living force. Annie Proulx herself spoke in her essay that Jack and Ennis became very real to her, something that had never happened to her before. Other writers confirmed for her that this does happen. She, probably the most unlikely of all, labored for months to bring into the world a story that in the beginning she herself could not comprehend. I think about the pain, the agony and emotion that we have all been thru as a group, and I think of this one lone woman who gave birth to Jack and Ennis, how for so long she was all alone with them and what that must have been like.

So for me to be a Brokie is to stand and testify:
 
*that people of the same sex can love one another.

*that wrongs, no matter how old, should be righted, if at all possible.

*that those who are struggling, should be helped.

*that evil, must in every instance be confronted, with love.

I don't know that I can put it any better than Truman did.  I feel much the same way about being a Brokie.

Hello, my name is Lynne and I am a Brokie.  :)

Yes, I self-identify as a Brokie and am out in my real life as one to almost everyone I know.  (There are still some evangelical Christian cousins who are unaware, but I have made up my mind to discuss it with them next time I see them.)

I love it when I am able to work Brokeback Mountain into a conversation with a stranger, to possibly plant a seed that will encourage him or her to rent the movie, with niggle of hope that they will be moved the way I was.

I have given away more copies of the DVD than I can count.

If it comes up in conversation, I tell people I am bisexual.  I can almost do it with no hesitation at all now - it gets easier with practice.

I have dragged taken many real-life friends to see BBM and not once yet has a person 'got' it...the responses are usually 'Good movie' or 'I can see why you like it' and so completely inadequate to my experience it's frustrating.

I can wax poetic about black and white hats, full moons, blue enamel cookware, and scales with the best of them.  ;)

My Brokie experience is inextricably tied with being online and finding BetterMost.  I'd avoided using computers in a social sense aside from necessary email, but I was so devastated after Brokeback Mountain that I found myself at IMDB preoccupied with trying to find more information and instead I found other people who were having similar experiences.  I can still remember the sense of relief that maybe I wasn't completely losing my mind after all.  I have been a member of BetterMost for two years (today!) and feel so fortunate that our community is strong and thriving.

I remember that conversation well, Truman, whine notwithstanding.  You have it right, but I also remember an element of feeling like we had somehow been 'called' to be this way - why us?  I can't speak for everyone but it did/does still seem to be a mystical event to me with a strong element of responsibility involved.

RouxB signed the guest book in West Virginia with 'He Ain't Heavy, He's My Brother'.  I looked up the lyrics and it seemed completely appropriate.

The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where,
Who knows when
But I'm strong,
Strong enough to carry him.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

So on we go.
His welfare is my concern.
No burden is he to bear,
We'll get there.
For I know
He would not encumber me at all
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

If I'm laden at all,
I'm laden with sadness
That everyone's heart
Isn't filled with the gladness
Of love for one another.

It's a long, long road
From which there is no return.
While we're on the way to there,
Why not share?
And the load
Doesn't weigh me down at all.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother.

He's my brother.
He ain't heavy, he's my brother...

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #19 on: March 01, 2008, 03:14:27 pm »
I so remember the feeling I had after my first wiewing that cold Monday in February 2006. I went by myself, the husband stayed at home with the son, 11 years and afraid of the dark. The daugther, 16 years at the time, suffered from anxiety and panic attacks and we couldn't leave them alone in the house. I had read about the movie and wanted to see it but that had been the case with many movies before, many are those I never saw.....

I saw the film and left the theater. When I got out in the cold winter night I felt numb. I hadn't wept, I didn't want to either. I just knew I had seen ....magic....

I went back and saw it Wednesday......

Thursday the daugther sent mum and dad to BBM. She knew mom had had a special experience. The precious child downloaded the whole thing that night....blessed girl.....

The husband thought it was a good movie. He ordered it from Amazon that night......I said that I would buy 3 copy's so it would last me a lifetime....I have 2 now...one to go....the Directors cut is next....

I went to Stockholm. I stayed at a friends house. The daugther wanted to see BBM. Guess who volunteered.....

In march I found IMDb.

I'm a Brokie.....but I'm also a Heathen......but most I'm a person that has seen....magic......
Ennis.....always Ennis.....

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #20 on: March 01, 2008, 03:27:18 pm »
Berit, yes, magic is a good word to describe the brokie experience. I always felt that all aspects of the movie were so right, the actors, the director, the story, the scenery, the photography, the music, everything in its place. But when all those things came together on the screen, it was like someone had someone had cast a magic spell over the movie and subsequently me as a viewer. Well, 'viewer' isn't quite the right word, it should be 'experiencer'.

And good to hear you have a supportive brokie family too. That's great.  :)
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2008, 04:48:29 pm »
Experiencer, that says it all!  :)

I'm going to watch "The Shipping News" another Annie P novel. As almost always, the novel is better than the film. BBM is somethig out of the ordinary, both great, both greatest....

Take care
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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2008, 05:42:25 pm »
Experiencer, that says it all!  :)

I'm going to watch "The Shipping News" another Annie P novel. As almost always, the novel is better than the film. BBM is somethig out of the ordinary, both great, both greatest....

Take care

you will enjoy "Shipping News", although I would say that the novel is probably better than the film.

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2008, 08:54:44 pm »
Thanks optom!

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Wow,
you manged to ariculate in a few well chosen words,what it took me several paragraphs to say,
wish I had could be as concise as that,and still get my point across,
Great post !!!!
 
 

You are kind saying that to me, you made my day happy, after not sleeping being sad all last night!
I wish I could do that precisely... more often, like you say!
You have more talent than I do!

Keep on writing! I enjoy and love your posts!

Hugs! Keep care!

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Re: What does being a Brokie mean to you?
« Reply #24 on: March 13, 2008, 05:36:50 pm »
The movie is all we have.  That and the memories of a what A.P. wrote for us....

...That is how Brokeback Mountain is.    It was a fictional 1963-1983.     We can't relive it.   We can try.  But it lives on in our hearts.

Jake is still here.  But Jake is not Jack.      Jack and Ennis live in every Brokies heart.   

I miss Jack.  I miss Ennis.   That is why I am a Brokie.

Until last week when I found BetterMost, I'd never heard the term "Brokie", but when I found this place I soon realised that that was the name for what I am, and this place feels like home. For two years I wandered around thinking I was half crazy most of the time, but now finding a name for it and others who are the same as me, the relief is more than I can put into words.

Brokeback is more than a film, and Jack and Ennis are more than characters. To me they're real people, which the logical part of my head says is crazy because I know they're fictional characters created by A.P., but at the same time I know that they're real. If I said that on any other forum on the web, or in RL I'd be laughed out of town, but for me a big part of being a brokie is believing in Jack and Ennis. I came out of that cinema after I saw Brokeback for the first time feeling as though I'd lost something beyond words, and as Nutmeg Guy says, Jack and Ennis live in my heart.

Understanding every single facet of the story and the film, and every nuance and symbolism is just something I have to do.

Hello, my name is Lynne and I am a Brokie.  :)

Yes, I self-identify as a Brokie and am out in my real life as one to almost everyone I know.  (There are still some evangelical Christian cousins who are unaware, but I have made up my mind to discuss it with them next time I see them.)

I love it when I am able to work Brokeback Mountain into a conversation with a stranger, to possibly plant a seed that will encourage him or her to rent the movie, with niggle of hope that they will be moved the way I was.

I have given away more copies of the DVD than I can count.

I can relate to Lynne too. I find myself not trying to "convert" people to Brokie-ism, because I don't think a Brokie can be made - it's something from within yourself. I thought it was interesting though, ineedcrayons' idea of Brokie-ism being a little mystical

being a Brokie has always seemed a bit mystical to me -- like we were all chosen by some higher power, though believe me I usually don't think in those terms. To show you how much I don't think in those terms, I'll note that when I say "chosen," what comes to mind is not the Jews of the Old Testament as much as the characters in Stephen King's The Stand, who, when a bio-warfare experiment gone awry wipes out 99+ percent of the planet's population, remain immune and then all gather and telepathically gravitate toward Las Vegas for a final showdown between Good and Evil.

I haven't yet bought my ticket to Vegas. But I've always been struck by the fact that, aside from our fascination with BBM, there's no single quality that all Brokies have in common, and there's no single quality that separates us from many of the world's non-Brokies. And yet it's a very, very powerful identity. So to me, being a Brokie is mysterious and possibly even metaphysical.

"The Stand" is just about my favourite novel, and I've read it more times than I care to remember. There is something incredibly mystical about being a Brokie though. Ineedcrayons is right, there's probably no single quality that separates us from non-Brokies, but one thing that's struck me about BetterMost is that I've never before encountered a web forum with quite the same atmosphere as here. Lots of forums have a sense of "community" and many are fairly friendly, but BetterMost has some unique quality that I can't quite put into words - people here are tolerant, accepting, open to new ideas, non-judgemental, enquiring, passionate about their beliefs - but none of those descriptions fit and can be pinned down as something that's uniquely Brokie.

I hesitate to use the word; I don't want to cause offence, but there's something mystical about being a Brokie that makes it almost like a religion. We believe in Jack and Ennis unconditionally - we don't need proof of their existence, whether they are truly a product of AP's imagination, or whether they have some basis in fact. We believe in the message of the story/film, and we even pore over the story and the screenplay as though it's a sacred text. Maybe religion's too strong a word, but as Amanda said at the start of the thread, it's certainly a culture.

The only thing I can figure out that we all have in common so far is that for us all, Brokeback and being a Brokie has changed our lives in some way.


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