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Offline forsythia12

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my favorite little line....
« on: March 09, 2008, 03:10:25 am »
"THEY CAME TOGETHER ON PAPER AS HERDER AND CAMP TENDER....."

i just love this line.  the fact that they were 'on paper' together.  they're names...ennis delmar and jack twist on the same peice of paper.  before they even knew each other, they were together on paper.

they're names were also on their post cards, which again, is paper........like the only documentation of their relationship.

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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #1 on: March 09, 2008, 06:25:44 am »
I have to say I've never particularly paid much attention to that line before, but yeah, put like that, it's special. Nice. Nice too that their postcards document the course of their relationship. Only small pieces of paper, but something else that binds them over the years.

I think I'm going to make that my happy thought for the day.


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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #2 on: March 09, 2008, 02:07:20 pm »
I have to say I've never particularly paid much attention to that line before, but yeah, put like that, it's special. Nice. Nice too that their postcards document the course of their relationship. Only small pieces of paper, but something else that binds them over the years.

I think I'm going to make that my happy thought for the day.

yeah, that line just always stuck out to me.  maybe the fact that they could never get 'married' or that no one really witnesses their love (regardless of alm and agguire catching them).
the paper just means so much to me.  i'm not sure why.
i just liked the fact that their names were on paper together FIRST.  like ,......it was meant to be, or something. 
i think about that peice of paper.  i think about it in agguire's trash can after the boys were hired.....and i just love the symbolism in that.
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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #3 on: March 09, 2008, 03:32:08 pm »
I guess it's like there is some physical proof out there of their relationship (in that paper trail), and on that piece of paper.

It's a while since I read the story, but I just pulled out my copy of the book and read the first section again, and now I've seen it, that line does jump out at me. It's a kind of hint of what's to come. Like you say it's as though even before they met they were fated to be together somehow.

After your earlier post I had to stick the DVD on again and watch that scene (even though I watched it last night). Again, I've never paid that much notice of the scene in Agguire's office, but yeah, the paper in Agguire's trash can sums up Agguire's view of their relationship all the way through and so much more.


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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #4 on: March 09, 2008, 03:41:28 pm »
yeah.  i totally agree.  i  mean i don't know what he did with the piece of paper, but i'm sure it was thrown out with all his cigarrette butts, in some trashcan.  i just think it's neat.  on paper......

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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #5 on: March 09, 2008, 03:44:12 pm »
I like that!

Very cool observation.
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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #6 on: March 17, 2008, 02:07:00 pm »
Thanks for bringing that to our attention, Forsythia, I like that idea.  Now I'm thinkin' ....  the postcards that the boys sent to each other - what do you imagine they did with them?  Do you think either of them kept their collection of postcards all together in a special location?  Or, do you think they disposed of them after they read them so as not to leave a trail?  Of course, their wives most likely saw all of them, the cards themselves weren't a secret....  just the nature of the 'fishing trips'.   ;)    Personally, I'd love to imagine that they each kept every one of them sent over the course of those twenty years.  We do know that Ennis kept at least one of them.   :'(
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Re: my favorite little line....
« Reply #7 on: March 17, 2008, 02:30:31 pm »
We do know that Ennis kept at least one of them.   :'(

Huh, Sashca??

It's interesting that you bring up paper and  cigarette butts. We also know that Aguirre's hair is the color of ash. Foreshadowing of the way Jack would end up, perhaps?? :'(
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Re: my favorite little line.... (spoilers)
« Reply #8 on: March 17, 2008, 03:45:06 pm »
Wowsa, Lee, that's one heck of a stretch with the color of Aguirre's hair and the cremation of Jack.  I'm going to have to think about that one.  Hmmmm....

Sashca1007, there've been other posts on this board, theorizing what the two did with their respective postcards.  Truth is, we just don't know, but some of the members have come up with interesting theories.

I personally love the fact that the first words spoken in the movie are "You pair..."

Set up right from the start...
Dawn is coming,
Open your eyes...

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Re: my favorite little line.... (spoilers)
« Reply #9 on: March 17, 2008, 05:26:24 pm »
I personally love the fact that the first words spoken in the movie are "You pair..."

Set up right from the start...

Yeah, that's nice. Like the "they came together on paper" it sets the tone right from the start.

I like to think they'd have kept the postcards. Nothing 'incriminating' was ever written on them so far as we know. Being a romantic and keeping the shirts and all I think Jack would have kept them - some kind of concrete evidence of his relationship with Ennis, and Ennis, well yeah, I think he probably would have as well.


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