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Family Squabbles
« on: March 30, 2008, 07:38:40 pm »
While reading about the unrest in the Ledger family, it brings to the realization that there are skeletons or infighting in so many families. Fortunately, most of us can keep these things private, but unfortunately for those in the public eye, they make front page headlines.

So.......this brings me to this new topic......for those who want to discuss or write about their own family situations and squabbles. Are any of us immune to them?....why does it happen?.......and how do they get resolved?

To start with I will briefly tell you about my most recent one....

We live in the same town as my my husbands mother (my MIL), and my husbands sister (my SIL).

About 18 months ago my SIL stopped talking to her mother (MIL), stopped going around to visit her even though she lived only five minutes from her. Because the MIL is 81 years old, my husband took exeption to his sister being so nasty and unreasonable, and ended up having an argument with her, and so she stopped talking to my husband as well.

Then about 8 months ago, the sister just turned up on the MIL's doorstep, no words of apology, or reason why she had ignored her mother for ten months, and ever since has kept up a reasonable relationship with her.  The MIL accepted her return without any questions or animosity.

My husband is pleased that at least his mother now has the contact with her daughter, and has no problem with them having a nice relationship.

BUT.....the SIL still refuses to talk to my husband......it sure doesn't make for "happy families" situation.





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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #1 on: March 30, 2008, 08:18:25 pm »
Your SIL never divulged why she'd been mean to your MIL?

Family drama!!! I hardly know ANYONE who has completely escaped it
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I just try to stay away from most of my family.

We like each other better that way.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #2 on: March 30, 2008, 08:31:18 pm »
NO !!.....no reasonable explanation, only that she had "better" things to do with her time, and she was tired of being expected to do things for her mother.....

Considering her mother, even at 81, lives independently, and still drives her own car, there was not a lot of things that she was "expected" to do.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #3 on: March 30, 2008, 08:34:15 pm »
NO !!.....no reasonable explanation, only that she had "better" things to do with her time, and she was tired of being expected to do things for her mother.....

Considering her mother, even at 81, lives independently, and still drives her own car, there was not a lot of things that she was "expected" to do.

You just don't treat your mother that way.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #4 on: March 30, 2008, 09:24:58 pm »
well, for me.....my sister's and i often have issues.  we're all close now, but they are 10yrs older than me, so there's always been tension, as far as i'm concerned, when three of us are together.  like the odd one out kinda thing.  and whenever one of us is mad at the other, we phone the other to bitch about it.....but nothing major. 

my inlaws drive me nuts.
we live one hour away from them.  we've had our 'run-in's' , that's for sure. 
when i had my first baby, it was their first grandchild, and they spent every waking moment with her.  well, we then moved on hour away, and in that time, i had my 2nd child, which was at the same time my husband's brother and his wife had their 1st baby.  well since that kid has been born, my kids apparently dropped off the face of the earth.  i can't even get them to babysit........ever.  they've never had my 2nd daughter alone, not for an hour, not for a day, not for a night.  they rarely see my 1st daughter anymore at all....but see the other grandaughter 3-4 times a week.  they babysit for free, drop everything to see her....and when we come for a visit, my mother-in-law phones the brother-in-law and asks him to bring their daughter over too.
i call this phenomenon "stella-fest" 'cause the kid's name is stella, and she practically comes out all propped up on a princess pillow when she arrives by horse and carriage!  lol
i remember one christmas we went there in the morning, after our presents were opened, and an hours' drive.  well, my youngest who was almost 3yrs old, was having typical meltdowns by the time dinner rolled around.  well, since my brother-in-law and his wife live in town, they showed up right at dinner with stella.....who had just woken from a nap, and was fresh as can be.  well, here's my kid, whining away, and recieving comments like "someone's sure cranky isn't she?"......"what's the matter with her?".........while talk of stella went something like this "wow...look at the ball of sunshine we have over here!  what a joy she is on christmas day!"

oh puke!!!!!!!!! >:(

anyways,.......this will be forever ongoing, so i'll post more stories about it in due time.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #5 on: March 30, 2008, 09:30:24 pm »
i call this phenomenon "stella-fest" 'cause the kid's name is stella, and she practically comes out all propped up on a princess pillow when she arrives by horse and carriage!  lol

:laugh:  :laugh: That's so funny!

(But your in-laws should be ashamed to make differences like that in the grandchildren--inexcusable to do that to sweet little kids.)

Is Stella's dad the "chosen one" as well?
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #6 on: March 30, 2008, 09:36:39 pm »
i call this phenomenon "stella-fest" 'cause the kid's name is stella, and she practically comes out all propped up on a princess pillow when she arrives by horse and carriage!  lol

:laugh:  :laugh: That's so funny!

(But your in-laws should be ashamed to make differences like that in the grandchildren--inexcusable to do that to sweet little kids.)

Is Stella's dad the "chosen one" as well?


yes.......he is!  go figure!

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #7 on: March 30, 2008, 10:12:43 pm »
My sister has three girls with three daddies (yeah  ::) ::) ) 18, 13, and 6. For Easter, my sister got a $300 haircut and color and a new outfit; the stepdad got a new suit, shirt and tie; the oldest got a new fancy dress (in addition to a new gown for Prom); the YOUNGEST got TWO new dresses....the middle? Nada. wore blue jeans and a shirt.

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #8 on: March 30, 2008, 10:42:53 pm »
My sister has three girls with three daddies (yeah  ::) ::) ) 18, 13, and 6. For Easter, my sister got a $300 haircut and color and a new outfit; the stepdad got a new suit, shirt and tie; the oldest got a new fancy dress (in addition to a new gown for Prom); the YOUNGEST got TWO new dresses....the middle? Nada. wore blue jeans and a shirt.

 >:( >:( >:(


yep.  sounds familiar.
why do parents and grandparents do that??????? don't they see how darn obvious it is?
my mom has 8 grandaughters.......and treats them all equally.  she's excited about each one of them.  no favorites.
my inlaws suck.....
and the shitty thing is, because of my husband's job, we could be transferred anywhere in the country at any given moment...yet, right now, we're only an hour away.....and do you think they take advantage of this good fortune while it lasts?  no.
i almost wish for a transfer to the opposite coast, so the next time they see my girls they'll be 18.  then maybe they'll regret not taking this opportunity to get to know them.
sounds vindictive, but i'm very pissed about this issue in our family.

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #9 on: March 31, 2008, 12:43:03 am »
While reading about the unrest in the Ledger family, it brings to the realization that there are skeletons or infighting in so many families. Fortunately, most of us can keep these things private, but unfortunately for those in the public eye, they make front page headlines.

So.......this brings me to this new topic......for those who want to discuss or write about their own family situations and squabbles. Are any of us immune to them?....why does it happen?.......and how do they get resolved?

To start with I will briefly tell you about my most recent one....

We live in the same town as my my husbands mother (my MIL), and my husbands sister (my SIL).

About 18 months ago my SIL stopped talking to her mother (MIL), stopped going around to visit her even though she lived only five minutes from her. Because the MIL is 81 years old, my husband took exeption to his sister being so nasty and unreasonable, and ended up having an argument with her, and so she stopped talking to my husband as well.

Then about 8 months ago, the sister just turned up on the MIL's doorstep, no words of apology, or reason why she had ignored her mother for ten months, and ever since has kept up a reasonable relationship with her.  The MIL accepted her return without any questions or animosity.

My husband is pleased that at least his mother now has the contact with her daughter, and has no problem with them having a nice relationship.

BUT.....the SIL still refuses to talk to my husband......it sure doesn't make for "happy families" situation.

Not sure.  Usually family squabbles come from one or more parties being unreasonable and/or vindictive because their expectations were not met by other members of their families and other family members are unable or unwilling to confront the other members of the family.  Not sure such things can be eradicated because people can be emotional and ridiculous and self-absorbed.

A friend of my sister's is about to be married next weekend;  a car wreck waiting to happen as they're still going to couple's counseling and trying to deal with their cultural differences.  Both own their own houses.  The friend owns a bigger, nicer home. 

Currently, with the wedding this close, the friend is seriously stressed from having had to plan the entire wedding herself with little help from her family or fiance.  A few days ago, out of the blue, her fiance told her that he had invited his parents and family who are flying in from the old country to stay with her because "she has the bigger house".  Without first asking her.

His parents mailed her a check saying "Here's the money we would have spent on a hotel."

The friend is absolutely flabbergasted that her fiance has saddled her with a house full of company that she now has to provide for and entertain on top of everything else.  She has no support from him, because he invited them, they're his family!  He can't uninvite them from his future wife's home!

This is one of those situations.  Expectations unmet and unreasonable demands.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #10 on: March 31, 2008, 01:05:47 am »
Oh dear......the poor old grandparent and mother in law is going to be pounced on here in this thread I think.

Grandparents do get a bit of a rough deal at times....you know, nobody tells us how we are supposed to be, how much advice we can give without it sounding like critisism, how much time we should spend dropping by to visit, how much we can talk about our other grandchildren, how much involvement we can have with our grandchild without seeming like we are "overdoing" it. If we visit too often, we are a pain in the arse....if we dont vsit often enough, we "dont care", if we tell our son/daughter that their child is grizzling or has a nappy rash, they think we are critisizing them, if we dont pick up something that is wrong, we "should have known"......if we celebrate something their kid has done,we are OK, but if we brag about the sister or brothers kid, its not OK......

I have been a grandparent for 15 years (I have 5 grandchildren) and I am sure I have made plenty of mistakes......BUT....I never meant to, I was thrust into this unknown zone in my life, without any guide book, any definate right or wrongs on how to be a grandparent. I thought, all I had to do was love them, and I knew I could do that easy.

Its a bit like when we have our kids.....we stumble through it, hoping we are doing the right thing...its not easy. Being a grandparent is another stumbling journey, only this time, we are under the scrutiny of our kids, and our daughter or son in law.....no way in the world, are we ever gonna please them all the time.

The thing that drives us, the thing that makes us not have hurt feelings about some of the critisisms, is the unbelievable joy and love we feel when we come to the door and see the look on a little ones face, with a smile from ear to ear, little arms wrapped around us and a giggling call "Nana and Pop are here to see me".........thats what makes it all worthwhile.

And it doesn't matter how many we have, we love them all the same....some we see on a more regular basis than others, and that makes us more familiar with the day to day things that he or she is doing, but we dont put them in a competition of who we love more,they are all important to us.

I have said the same things that have been said here, when I was younger...and most of the critisism was directed at my inlaws...having only sons myself, I am fully aware, that I am proabably under much more scrutiny from my daughter in laws than their own mothers are...i remember when my first grandson was born, and, although never proclaiming to be an expert on childrearing, I still might offer some advice to my daughter in law, and at times she reacted as if I were critisizing her, which I wasnt.....then I would see her mother offer her some advice,and she would accept it greatfully.

Anyway, we have all stumbled through this life, no one has been perfect, no one has pleased everyone all of the time, thats life, we are all human, its proably not until we become grandparents or inlaws ourselves that we begin to understand just how NOT easy it was for those who became our inlaws or grandparents to our children. Be kind to them, they probably are doing the best they know how, and they can pick up on your emotions and dissatisfaction towards them. They just want to be able to share in your children's lives, let them, and let them know how good it is that they are around to do so. They really do love you all........

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #11 on: March 31, 2008, 01:16:03 am »
The friend is absolutely flabbergasted that her fiance has saddled her with a house full of company that she now has to provide for and entertain on top of everything else.  She has no support from her him, because he invited them, they're his family!  He can't uninvite them from his future wife's home!=

Makes me think of the comment...when asked, what do you think of gay marriage, the answer was, don't gays have it tough enuff already?" Or something like that. It's true that when you marry someone, you unwittingly marry their whole family.
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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #12 on: March 31, 2008, 01:47:22 am »
yes sue, i hear you.  i know , or am sure that it is difficult. 
all i know is i think my in-laws are damaging their once strong relationship with my eldest daughter, and i do harbor some bitterness that they never tried to establish a relationship at all with my youngest.
my kids pick up on the favortism, and i don't think there's any excuse for such blatant favortism.  it just hurts sometimes i guess.
but yes, my in-laws are usually on my 'mad-at' list, and i know my judgments can be harsh at times.  i am pleasant to them, and they have done a lot for us in the past, so i appreciate them in many ways.
it's not something i can easliy discuss with them.  they're the type of 'we don't talk about such unpleasantries' people.  i heard a saying in a movie that described them perfectly.  you see, my in-laws are 'high society' people, and they like their family to 'look good' at all times.  heaven forbid something bring negative attention to them.  lol.  anyways, in this movie, something 'undesirable' happened to this 'perfect' couple's daughter, and while in the dr.'s office the parents ask if  this situation will be cleared up by the holidays ...and the daugher said to the doctor, "my parents are having a 'christmas-cocktail-crisis' "
lol
that's my in-laws .....
so, we just make the most of it, and get along....and my daughter's can make up their own mind about their grandparents.  we don't influence them.......at least not that we know of.......to have negative thoughts about them.  for the most part, we are a loving family....
it's actually quite comical at times, because it's an inside joke between my husband and i, and we can just give eachother  a 'look' when stella walks in the room, and my in-laws flock to her. 

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #13 on: March 31, 2008, 07:59:25 am »
Makes me think of the comment...when asked, what do you think of gay marriage, the answer was, don't gays have it tough enuff already?" Or something like that. It's true that when you marry someone, you unwittingly marry their whole family.


What it sounds like to me is passive-aggressiveness.  IMO, he doesn't really want to get married and is making things as difficult for her as possible.

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2008, 03:48:10 pm »
I know what you are saying Susie. and dont doubt for one minute the problems and anxieties we have all felt with mother in laws. The relationship I have had with my own mother in law has not been all rosey and perfect either.

Early on in our marriage, there were issues that really bugged me, I guess now, she is old and I am older too, that I just overlook the things that bothered me so much when I was younger and things dont bother me as much. I guess you could say we have all mellowed with time, and I have learnt to ignore or laugh things off easier than I did in the earlier years.

Being a mother in law myself, too, I always hope that I am not being critisized for things that I dont deserve to be, and I have tried to be a better mother in law to my daughters in law, than what my MIL was to me.

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« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2008, 05:25:06 pm »
I know what you are saying Susie. and dont doubt for one minute the problems and anxieties we have all felt with mother in laws. The relationship I have had with my own mother in law has not been all rosey and perfect either.

Early on in our marriage, there were issues that really bugged me, I guess now, she is old and I am older too, that I just overlook the things that bothered me so much when I was younger and things dont bother me as much. I guess you could say we have all mellowed with time, and I have learnt to ignore or laugh things off easier than I did in the earlier years.

Being a mother in law myself, too, I always hope that I am not being critisized for things that I dont deserve to be, and I have tried to be a better mother in law to my daughters in law, than what my MIL was to me.



i'm sure you're a great MIL and gramma.

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2008, 07:54:53 pm »
i'm sure you're a great MIL and gramma.

Thank you forsythia (I know your real name but cant remember it)....

I do have a great relationship with my daughter in law. We are friends, and we go to bingo together, and we enjoy talking to each other about different tv shows we both watch, and we both went on the same diet about 12 months ago, and we gave each other encouragement and then went shopping for new clothes together when we had reached our goal weight. There is only an 18yr age gap between us, so we do have a lot of things in common with each other. And...best of all she has given me a beautiful grandson, who is now 8yrs old, and she has unselfishly shared every moment of his life with us......so I did really hit the jackpot when my son married her....

I think the important thing is that there is no competition or petty jealousies between us. She knows I expect my son to always put her first, and he does. Her mum lives 1000 miles away, and visits at least twice a year, and her and I too, have developed a nice friendship, and she has often thanked me for looking out for her daughter so well, when she is not here herself to do so.

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Re: Family Squabbles
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2008, 10:25:40 pm »
My family squabbles have been so bad that I no longer speak to them. My father passed away in '98. I no longer speak to my mother or brother. People always say that you should stick by your family no matter what but to me your family should, in theory, treat you better than anyone else. Mine have done some absolutely horrible things to me that I just could not put up with anymore. It just got to the point that I had to cut them out of my life for my own sanity.